Missing the point on Fast and Furious
posted at 11:01 am on June 24, 2012 by Jazz Shaw
This week we are likely to see the next act unfold in the ongoing saga of the Fast and Furious investigation as the full House considers whether or not to take any further action regarding the Attorney General’s reticence in handing over documents related to the program. One result of this has been some sadly predictable tongue clucking and accusations from the anti-gun lobby on the Left. The rationale invoked in these screeds is curious at best, but given how common it’s become we should probably take a look at a couple of prime examples.
The first comes to us courtesy of Andrew Cohen at The Atlantic. An early indicator to look for is the often repeated array of adjectives which these critics of the critics of the program use when describing it. Cohen goes with “failed gun-running sting.” He later ups the ante with, “a bad idea, poorly done.” It’s a constant theme these days in liberal coffee klatches. F&F wasn’t all that unusual or worthy of all this attention… it was just a poorly thought out effort to address a criminal problem.
So what should we be concerned about, in Cohen’s humble opinion?
None of this rancor excuses the poor judgment — across two administrations — which generated the program itself. And none of it justifies the burgeoning political battle over the scope of the documents the Republicans want Holder to hand over. Like so much else about Washington’s ruined politics these days, the partisan shouting will escalate, ribbons of blame will be laid, vast amounts of time and money will be spent, and the real problem will go unsolved…
But what’s the “real problem?”
The Brady Campaign contends that the “Fast and Furious” program involved about 2,000 firearms crossing the border into Mexico, about 3 percent of the guns moving from U.S. gun shops to Mexico in the last four years. The center’s Denis Henigan wants House Republicans, the ones chasing Eric Holder, to focus instead upon the other 97 percent of those guns.
See? Republicans are just “playing politics” with this and ignoring the real problem, which is that there are just too gosh darn many guns around in the US. And if there weren’t, then they wouldn’t be finding their way into Mexico. This whole, “you’re just playing politics” theme is echoed even more strongly in an editorial by Chris Hayes, he of rhetorically proximate fame. This whole thing is the Republicans’ fault because we’re living in The Era of Post-truth Politics.
Given what we know about the Republican Party, and the way the House of Representatives conducts itself when run by Republicans and with a Democrat in the White House, it shouldn’t really count as news when a House committee finds the Democratic attorney general in contempt of Congress…
But, alas, conservatives and House Republicans are good at ginning up outrage and their target is the Fast and Furious program, an attempt begun under the Bush administration to track illegal guns as they made their way through the hands of Mexican drug traffickers. The tracking wasn’t very well executed, and at least one of the guns that should have been monitored was used instead to shoot and kill Border Patrol agent Brian Terry. (This horrible tragedy was one of about 30-thousand people killed every year by guns. Somehow we don’t see much outrage and grief from Republicans about those).
This is pretty much a re-run of the Atlantic piece in many ways and seems to be the marching orders handed down from the White House. Here we see the program described as being not very well executed. (Hayes pulls up short of saying, “botched” which I’ve scored as the most common adjective used.) And the only fault by the Obama administration is not realizing that Republicans will never play fair so he should be tougher on them. In fact, as he cites Brian Terry’s death, Hayes barely has time to insert a parenthesis before bringing up how many other people are killed by guns.
Then there’s this gem:
And so, that’s why promoting this implausible conspiracy theory about a secret plot to make gun owners look bad by giving guns to Mexican traffickers is so important to the right and the NRA. It’s why they’ve been flogging Fast and Furious and why the NRA scored the vote on contempt. Since there is no actual case that the President wants to crush gun-rights, they have to make one.Because this is post-truth politics.
The author takes time out of his busy day to mock the idea of F&F being used as a tool to “make gun owners look bad” in the very same article where he uses his media platform to talk about the horrible situation of all these guns in America and gun deaths. The irony is palpable.
The reality is that the fact of 29,999 other gun related deaths does not make the death of Brian Terry one iota less tragic or important. And yes, there is a vast difference between criminals running guns into Mexico and the government doing it. We already know there is a problem with criminals looking to make big profits by running guns across the border and we need to beef up our efforts to curb that activity. We’re not surprised that criminals do this. We are surprised when the government does.
When it comes to Eric Holder and the President, a very old rule applies: the cover-up is almost always worse than the screw-up which led to it. And in terms of our democracy, the former may be more damaging than the latter. But Hayes and Cohen are welcome to keep telling themselves that it’s all dishonest politics and it’s only the Republicans who try to go after Democrats and prosecute them for political gain. I’m pretty sure Scooter Libby wrote something similar in his journal while doing his 400 hours of community service.
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HOLDER=JAIL
TX-96 on May 23, 2013 at 7:23 PM
May this be the beginning of the end.
mikeyboss on May 23, 2013 at 7:24 PM
Dare I hope that this is the straw that breaks the camels back.
gophergirl on May 23, 2013 at 7:26 PM
DOJ names Rosen a co-conspirator to get around the notice requirement, but now states it has no intention to prosecute him, even though Kim — his alleged “co-conspirator” — is being prosecuted.
Pretty transparent ruse, Mr. Holder. If the leak’s so important to national security, why are you letting the fellow who supposedly aided and abetted the espionage violation take a walk?
IndieDogg on May 23, 2013 at 7:27 PM
But does Holder remember he did this.
From his testimony, I’d swear he is in the late stages of Alzheimers.
portlandon on May 23, 2013 at 7:28 PM
Busted! You know what time it is
Sekhmet on May 23, 2013 at 7:29 PM
Holder is THE scum of the earth. If he doesn’t go away because of this, Obama must be impeached.
NavyMustang on May 23, 2013 at 7:31 PM
Once the administration makes clear the difference between “the free press” and “conservative hate speech”, the MSM and the American public will fall back in line.
ROCnPhilly on May 23, 2013 at 7:31 PM
And the back alleys of Washington were alive with the giggle from the rat community who enjoyed the joke.
Don L on May 23, 2013 at 7:31 PM
Maybe just verbally……
There Goes the Neighborhood on May 23, 2013 at 7:33 PM
He didn’t to it in writing, and he’s not sure when.
peski on May 23, 2013 at 7:33 PM
So. Holder is investigating…..himself???
Wonder what the media thinks of that?
But I must say….
All this news coming out in the last couple of weeks has been ever so sweet and delicious. And the possibility of more whistle-blowers? *grin*
AZgranny on May 23, 2013 at 7:34 PM
Holder signed off on the Rosen warrant but later thought better of it and recused himself. At some point later. Can’t remember if he told anyone or not. At some point. Later. Can’t remember.
de rigueur on May 23, 2013 at 7:34 PM
Lolololololol
HotAirLib on May 23, 2013 at 7:35 PM
yeah…ok…
that’s going to bring a wealth of knowledge….not
what a bloody joke
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 7:36 PM
I hear Holder is going to investigate his own actions in the Rosen and AP cases, discuss it with some admin-friendly reporters, and report the minutes personally to the president.
Finally! Transparency and accountability! /s
ROCnPhilly on May 23, 2013 at 7:36 PM
that would be a no….i see another executive privilege decree coming soon
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 7:37 PM
If Bytchell can bring herself to speak ill of the POS then Pigs. Can. Fly.
wyntre9 on May 23, 2013 at 7:37 PM
Holder didn’t know he had signed off on the Rosen case until he read it in the media just today.
But even so, Obama is going to give him a good talking to.
Curtiss on May 23, 2013 at 7:37 PM
“Attorney General” Holder will likely keep President Obama’s full confidence as long as he can do the president’s dirty work without becoming an un-manageable political liability.
tgharris on May 23, 2013 at 7:38 PM
special prosecutor for this???
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 7:38 PM
i have complete confidence in eric holder
-dear leader
he ain’t going anywhere folks…
dear leader is showing leadership
-lsm
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 7:40 PM
Special prosecutors are no longer independent from DOJ. Holder would just appoint another friend of Michelle Obama and end up essentially investigating himself.
ROCnPhilly on May 23, 2013 at 7:41 PM
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 7:43 PM
Reposted…
Obama sure will be surprised when he finds out about this on Fox News next week.
dddave on May 23, 2013 at 7:43 PM
good point
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 7:44 PM
There was a time when the DOJ fought crime syndicates. Now, under Obama, the DOJ is a crime syndicate.
VorDaj on May 23, 2013 at 7:48 PM
I think you’re right. But if things get too dicey, I think we’ll see the Dems clamouring for a special prosecutor in order to put a lid on everything and postpone any more public information until after the 2014 elections. Plus it will have the added benefit of allowing everyone to refuse to comment on “a matter that is under investigation”.
We’re better off with Issa’s committee and with Trey Gowdy asking the most entertaining questions.
Curtiss on May 23, 2013 at 7:49 PM
So Holder LIED to Congress when he said he DID NOT sign off on the Rosen warrant?
Did he not testify that he had recused himself and delegated that to an Asst AG?
GarandFan on May 23, 2013 at 7:52 PM
Holder must go. Now.
alchemist19 on May 23, 2013 at 7:55 PM
PERP.
WALK.
NOW.
Rebar on May 23, 2013 at 7:55 PM
Holder recused himself from the AP search. Not the Rosen search. In his testimony, he did say that he couldn’t recall how many of these types of searches he had signed.
Curtiss on May 23, 2013 at 7:56 PM
???
I guess the Attorney General is the equivalent ‘rank’ as a Cabinet Secretary, but I haven’t seen him so designated befvore.
LegendHasIt on May 23, 2013 at 7:59 PM
Holder: Two smart by half.
petefrt on May 23, 2013 at 7:59 PM
That’s what I was thinking as well. He flat out lied to Congress.
I don’t see how he gets away with this.
PetecminMd on May 23, 2013 at 8:00 PM
Good point. Actually, just my brain running out of steam, I think, late in the day. I’ll change it.
Mary Katharine Ham on May 23, 2013 at 8:01 PM
so what will the friday night news dump before the holiday will be?
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 8:02 PM
Lap dog… they are what is on the menu for Obama… easier to catch and they make so much less fuss than other dogs.
ajacksonian on May 23, 2013 at 8:02 PM
dear leader has his back…no worries
/
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 8:03 PM
ot: the lsm has their squirrel for the day…forget this bombshell..hung jury in the jodi arias trial
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 8:04 PM
He will because he’s got two impenetrable shields:
A protective, non-reporting media (yes, still) and his race.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on May 23, 2013 at 8:10 PM
Does Holder have an auto-pen like Obama?
can_con on May 23, 2013 at 8:12 PM
A self-activated one that requests documents to sign!
That explains sooooo much about this Administration…
ajacksonian on May 23, 2013 at 8:14 PM
Legal question:
If Holder investigates himself and, by mistake, finds himself guilty, can he appeal to himself for a new trial based on ineffective assistance of counsel?
IndieDogg on May 23, 2013 at 8:29 PM
So is the president really planning on closing Guantanamo prison? Or does he just want to empty out the Muslim terrorist to make room for reporters charged with espionage reporters as well as tea party adherents?
RAN58 on May 23, 2013 at 8:31 PM
Obama is responsible! When the boss doesn’t punish an underling for malfeasance it’s because the boss gave his consent. Underlings are very unlikely do illicit things that would damage his boss if caught without first an Ok or verbal directive from the boss.
It doesn’t take very long a powerful boss to find out who did what when they all work for him. IMO he knows and hasn’t really punished anyone because they did what he wanted. Obama will delay any real punishment as long as possible or never dish it out.
Chessplayer on May 23, 2013 at 8:34 PM
Its a moot question. Once you put a POTUS pardon in your pocket, what need do you have to follow any law?
BobMbx on May 23, 2013 at 8:35 PM
And people who don’t buy the right kind of ‘insurance’ from him.
LegendHasIt on May 23, 2013 at 8:41 PM
Funny thing about the lap DOG media, one day Obama may eat them……….
Its what’s for breakfast ………….
angrymike on May 23, 2013 at 8:41 PM
The Dog Eating Kenyan muli signed off on it too. And if you think differently you voted for him
Rio Linda Refugee on May 23, 2013 at 9:03 PM
Holder = Black = Untouchable….as he sticks in your face while laughing outloud!
dmann on May 23, 2013 at 9:09 PM
Holder hasn’t done a single, solitary thing Obama didn’t want him to do. Holder may get canned, but he will be rewarded or has already been compensated by Obama for all hits he may be taking for the ‘regime team.’
marybel on May 23, 2013 at 9:18 PM
Ok, does this or does it not mean that Holder lied in his congressional testimony? I mean, we know he’s been lying, but does this go directly against his testimony?
Sick to death of that f*cker – all of them, really. Ready to see some of these bastards in jail.
Midas on May 23, 2013 at 9:24 PM
The HuffPo giving up on Holder is like Hershey’s kicking Oprah to the curb…Blue Bird is going to have to step up bus production at the rate this admin is being tossed under…
hillsoftx on May 23, 2013 at 9:27 PM
Progressives are eating themselves.
Priceless……
itsspideyman on May 23, 2013 at 10:06 PM
No need for all that. Holder is black, so he can give himself the same treatment he gave the New Black Panther who, carrying a nightstick, menaced white Philadelphia voters in 2008 and was subsequently found guilty of voter intimidation. Holder basically “uncharged” him after the fact and told him he couldn’t intimidate voters again until 2012.
I am not joking.
ROCnPhilly on May 23, 2013 at 10:06 PM
Great article by Peggy Noonan, discussing whether Holder can investigate the goings-on in the IRS:
A dead serious investigation is needed. The IRS has colorfully demonstrated that it cannot investigate itself. The Obama administration wants the FBI—which answers to Eric Holder’s Justice Department—to investigate, but that would not be credible. The investigators of the IRS must be independent of the administration, or their conclusions will not be trustworthy.
An independent counsel, with all the powers of that office, is what we need.
Again, if what happened at the IRS is not stopped now—if the internal corruption within it is not broken—it will never stop, and never be broken. The American people will never again be able to have the slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government. And that, actually, would be tragic.
itsspideyman on May 23, 2013 at 10:53 PM
Holder will never see jail. Why? He knows where the bodies are buried. Obama wont see impeachment because hes got a whole lot of lowinfovohos snowed into thinking hes their savior. I wish I had more faith in the Americans who voted for this bunch of losers but they just arent that bright.
neyney on May 24, 2013 at 12:55 AM
Not even Fox noticed this. Barky has told Holder to investigate how these warrants are obtained. Holder signed Rosen’s warrant so he’s investgating himself. Fox and others got that one, but in his terror speech Barky says a commitee will evaluate and sign off on drone strikes. Yet the NYT has famously reported that Barky himself signed off on EVERY drone strike. So Barky has Holder investigate Holder and a commitee evaluate himself. James Donald’s line at the end of River Kwai,” Madness!! Madness!!!!” is appropriate here.
xkaydet65 on May 24, 2013 at 9:20 AM
Why should Holder’s signature on a document be any sort of problem?
It was no problem that Shrillary signed off refusing to provide more security to Ambassador Stevens.
Why don’t we stupid underlings understand that Holder and Hillary are way too busy, busy, busy, to know what they are signing!
Besides, Holder got his boss elected again. Stay or go, he will be amply rewarded.
marybel on May 24, 2013 at 9:41 AM
Of which year?
Oh, and watch for some catastrophe to strike just before July 12th……
GWB on May 24, 2013 at 9:43 AM
ROFLMAO! No, it wouldn’t be tragic if Americans learned not to trust their government with all of their private information and the ability to crawl inside their lives with an electron microscope. The fact it requires this to accomplish that is tragic. We should have revolted when the IRS’ answer to “where did all that budget money go?” was a giant shrug. We should have required the same answer for them as would happen to any taxpayer who treated their money that cavalierly (for tax purposes).
GWB on May 24, 2013 at 9:49 AM
This administration is just plain EVIL. We need to clean house and focus on reducing all of government… laws, rules and regulations, departments and staff, cabinets, taxes, EVERYTHING.
dominigan on May 24, 2013 at 10:18 AM
Let’s not use the “I” word. No matter how desperately needed, an impeachment would immediately transform Ogabe into a martyr. Whatever ground we have gained in the LSM because the LSM has found itself at the broken end of Ogabe’s bottle will instantly be lost. The narrative will immediately become that of the racist Teabaggers’ political assault on the first black president. It is the nature of the LSM, just as it was the scorpion’s nature to kill the frog even though the scorpion caused its own death in the process.
Bill Clinton and the LSM managed to spin the charge of the President of the United States lying in court under oath into 1) unhinged Republican revenge for Nixon, and 2) it was just sex between two consenting adults. Don’t think the same thing can’t happen again. The LSM may be acting the part of the scorned lover right now, but the instant the object of their affection is threatened, they will valiantly throw themselves into the breech to protect him.
Let him twist in the wind. Let the evidence of his incompentance and viciousness continue to dribble out.
Besides — do you really want “President Biden”?
catsandbooks on May 24, 2013 at 12:45 PM