Turkey vows retaliation for downing of plane by Syria

posted at 9:46 am on June 23, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Things may get even hotter for Syrian dictator Bashar Assad this summer, as he fights off the most serious threat to Alawite power in decades.  Yesterday, the Syrian military shot down a Turkish F-4 fighter jet on a recon mission, and today Ankara is threatening retaliation:

 Turkey will take retaliatory steps against Syria for the downing of a Turkish military jet, President Abdullah Gul said Saturday, even as he suggested that the aircraft may have unintentionally violated Syrian airspace.

It was not clear if Gul was suggesting military retaliation, increased sanctions against Syria or other possible steps, including demands for an apology, and his aide would not comment on his words. But Faruk Celik, Turkey’s Labor and Social Security Minister, said Turkey would retaliate “either in the diplomatic field or give other types of response.”

“Even if we assume that there was a violation of Syria’s airspace — though the situation is still not clear — the Syrian response cannot be to bring down the plane,” Celik told reporters.

“The incident is unacceptable,” he said. “Turkey cannot endure it in silence.”

Gul got diplomatic support from Iraq shortly afterward:

Syria’s downing of a Turkish plane marks a serious escalation of the Syrian conflict, Iraq’s Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari said on Saturday.

“The shooting down yesterday of a Turkish aircraft over Syrian territorial waters – this is a serious escalation and indication that the conflict would have far (a) bigger impact than (on) Syria itself,” he told a televised news conference with his Swedish, Bulgarian and Polish counterparts in Baghdad.

The question will be what kind of retaliation Gul and his government have in mind.  Celik’s statement leaves the field wide open.  Undoubtedly, Turkey would prefer not to go into an open military conflict, as they have enough problems with Kurdish separatists to keep them busy, but as the conflict grows in Syria, the refugee problem will make the Kurdish conflict more complicated, too.  Furthermore, Gul has to deliver some kind of emphatic response in order to maintain his credibility with his own military, a powerful force in Turkish politics that might decide to find someone else to run the country if Gul fails to respond adequately.

That brings us to the NATO question.  As a member of the alliance, Turkey lives within the same protective policy as all the other nations in the Cold War paradigm: An attack on one is an attack on all.  If Turkey chooses to respond militarily and a war breaks out between the two nations, will NATO come to the defense of its member — and will that give the West the opening it has sought to intervene in Syria for more than a year?  And if NATO acts, will Russia be far behind in protecting its client dictator Assad?


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I served with some Turkish commandos.

Very tough hombres. Not guys you would ever want to mess with.

HeatSeeker2011 on June 23, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Nothing like a nice quiet summer

txmomof6 on June 23, 2012 at 9:50 AM

That brings us to the NATO question. As a member of the alliance, Turkey lives within the same protective policy as all the other nations in the Cold War paradigm: An attack on one is an attack on all. If Turkey chooses to respond militarily and a war breaks out between the two nations, will NATO come to the defense of its member — and will that give the West the opening it has sought to intervene in Syria for more than a year? And if NATO acts, will Russia be far behind in protecting its client dictator Assad?

Shades of WWI? Maybe the founding fathers were right about not becoming involved with treaties.

DFCtomm on June 23, 2012 at 9:52 AM

That brings us to the NATO question. As a member of the alliance, Turkey lives within the same protective policy as all the other nations in the Cold War paradigm: An attack on one is an attack on all.

Yep…there’s the elephant in the room. NATO AWACS flies with mixed crews. Not unusual to see a Turk and a Greek on consoles next to each other (or at least nearby).

Dingbat63 on June 23, 2012 at 9:52 AM

And if NATO acts, will Russia be far behind in protecting its client dictator Assad?

That would be insane. Russia appreciates their client, but this is not one of those ex-soviet satellites where Russia can go around acting like it has been invaded. And I wouldn’t be so sure that Turkey’s military is too busy with Kurds at the moment – they do have the 2nd largest NATO army, remember.

ernesto on June 23, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Take it up with Russia. Someone needs to knock them down a peg, and Obama is not the man to do it. Come to think of it, very few western “leaders” are.

http://www.fiscalwars.wordpress.com

stout77 on June 23, 2012 at 9:56 AM

HeatSeeker2011 on June 23, 2012 at 9:50 AM

They were no pushover at Gallipoli, either.

OldEnglish on June 23, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Turkey wants to retaliate?

OK by me. Have at it. Don’t think a sternly worded letter gonna do the trick with Bashir, though.

BigAlSouth on June 23, 2012 at 9:59 AM

HeatSeeker2011 on June 23, 2012 at 9:50 AM

What? Not constrained by Western standards of morality?

Cleombrotus on June 23, 2012 at 10:00 AM

If we can escape the Obama presidency without World War 3 it’ll be a miracle. These long-simmering regional conflicts can each and every one be the minor fight that escalates into international conflict, and Obama’s unconscionable abandonment of a strong military, in favor of ObamaPhones and expansion of the Debit Card free food program, is the root cause. Without superpower America to keep the lid on these loonies, they’ll break into pitched battles all over the planet.

MTF on June 23, 2012 at 10:01 AM

That brings us to the NATO question.

It is at moments like this that your stomach should churn just a little bit…

JohnGalt23 on June 23, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Kurdish extremists based outside Turkey have attacked and killed Turkish soldiers but I don’t see NATO assisting Turkey against them. Moreover the Turkish military leadership has been severely mauled by internal purges. This confrontation is going nowhere. Turkey is not going to directly challenge Iran (and indirectly help Israel) by assaulting a prime Iranian proxy. Turkey’s Islamist politicians just need to engage in a little CYA. Maybe they can find some more Israelis to blame for stuff.

Seth Halpern on June 23, 2012 at 10:08 AM

MTF on June 23, 2012 at 10:01 AM

As much as I dislike the man, the blame for that cannot be laid at his feet nor will his removal from office reverse the decline.

The world is headed for some hard times indeed and the Middle East is the indicator. It’s no longer a matter of “if”.

Cleombrotus on June 23, 2012 at 10:12 AM

If Turkey chooses to respond militarily and a war breaks out between the two nations, will NATO come to the defense of its member — and will that give the West the opening it has sought to intervene in Syria for more than a year? And if NATO acts, will Russia be far behind in protecting its client dictator Assad?

…not to worry…Hillary and JugEars are intervening from behind and taking care of matters in hand.

KOOLAID2 on June 23, 2012 at 10:16 AM

NATO’s Article 5 for aid of member nations under attack is not a worry. This is an “out-of area” attack. If Article 5 is invoked, the US is not obligated by treaty to attack Syria. Article 4 on assistance is still OK.

We need an intel briefing from J.E. Dyer to be informed. She has deep knowledge of the area and players.

NaCly dog on June 23, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Was telling people last night this was huge, this could be the tinder that lights the mideast fire. Just when oil/gas prices were getting reasonable, could it be that Syria needs money and increased warfare seen by the global community as not their aggression but someone else’s makes it ok while they replenish their reserves

smitty41 on June 23, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Bad guys killing each other…..

go get um Turks, go get um Syrians.

PappyD61 on June 23, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Thank God we gave Emperor Hussein that Nobel Peace Prize when we did. If the planet gets anymore peaceful we’ll have to start building fallout shelters.

NickDeringer on June 23, 2012 at 10:28 AM

By the way, if you know any dummies out there that are still paying for their own cell phones…..you need to wake them up and get them on the free stuff.

http://obamaphone.net/

Do you suppose Assad could use one of these before he goes into exile?

Since he’ll be homeless and all.

Maybe that will be part of his swagbag at the airport for him and his lovely Eva Peron wife.

PappyD61 on June 23, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Why are you quoting Gul and not Erdogan? Everyone knows who holds the real power in Turkey.

steebo77 on June 23, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Turkey should get as much help from us as we gave got from them during the Iraq invasion. I do love this new front in the Iran war but we don’t need to get involved yet.

Rancher on June 23, 2012 at 10:35 AM

maintain his credibility with his own military, a powerful force in Turkish politics that might decide to find someone else to run the country if Gul fails to respond adequately.

That is old school thinking Ed. Once they were charged with being the guardians of secular Turkey but they have been neutered for some years now. Now they are Turkeys holy warriors for Islam again.

BL@KBIRD on June 23, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Turkey should get as much help from us as we gave got from them during the Iraq invasion. I do love this new front in the Iran war but we don’t need to get involved yet.

Rancher on June 23, 2012 at 10:35 AM

No. Turkey’s quasi-Islamist government is usually an ally of Iran. Since Syria is Iran’s full-fledged puppet, I promise you nothing will really come of this. Gul is just posturing. Prime Minister Erdogan (who holds the real power) has been somewhat more conciliatory in tone, which should make the contours of the situation pretty clear.

steebo77 on June 23, 2012 at 10:43 AM

President Romney can’t take office fast enough.

vityas on June 23, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Was telling people last night this was huge, this could be the tinder that lights the mideast fire. Just when oil/gas prices were getting reasonable, could it be that Syria needs money and increased warfare seen by the global community as not their aggression but someone else’s makes it ok while they replenish their reserves

smitty41 on June 23, 2012 at 10:24 AM

These days Syria produces very little oil compared to other Middle Eastern nations (although it does account for about a quarter of the country’s revenue):

The oil sector of the economy faces many challenges, such as, a decline in output and production resulting from technological problems and a depletion of oil reserves. Syria’s rate of oil production has decreased steadily, from a peak close to 610,000 bbl/d (97,000 m3/d) in 1995 down to approximately 385,000 bbl/d (61,200 m3/d) in 2010. Meanwhile, consumption is rising, which means that Syria could become a net oil importer within a decade.[14][16]

steebo77 on June 23, 2012 at 10:49 AM

What do you want to bet that Syria won’t be flying any sorties within SAM range of Turkey for the new few weeks? Turkey’s best move here is a measured and proportionate response, unless of course they have something to gain by escalating. The most proportionate response would be to shoot down one of theirs.

Immolate on June 23, 2012 at 10:52 AM

I hope this is not a Franz Ferdinand type situation.

boogaleesnots on June 23, 2012 at 10:58 AM

…not to worry…Hillary and JugEars are intervening from behind and taking care of matters in hand.

KOOLAID2 on June 23, 2012 at 10:16 AM

TFGP always leads from behind. The only exception would be if the Syrian people remind him of his son, which he never had.

Gladtobehere on June 23, 2012 at 11:08 AM

The Turks’ biggest problem in Syria is the Kurds. If the Syrian government collapses, the Kurds in northeastern Syria could end up with their own autonomous state, similar to the situation in Iraq.
So the Turks don’t want anything to happen to the Assads. If they do attack Syria, it will probably be to make sure the Kurds don’t get too uppity.

Mahna Mahna on June 23, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Cowboys!

ronsfi on June 23, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Tuck Furkey.
Were it not for them, the U.S. Army 4th Inf. Div. would have streaked directly south to interdict and confiscate all of the ‘stuff’ that Saddam was trying to get out of Iraq and into Syria (Baathist bros) ASAP. If you’ve seen the air recon pics of the convoys of trucks containing sealed containers, guess what just might be in there, I mean besides MILLION$ in U.S. Dollars.
Thanks Turkey, ya pukes. It’s no wonder that the Euros want nothing to do with you.
BTW … Armenians and Kurds are still waiting for an apology.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on June 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM

I served with some Turkish commandos. Very tough hombres. Not guys you would ever want to mess with. HeatSeeker2011 on June 23, 2012 at 9:50 AM

My dad served with them in Korea. Sneaking into Chinese camps at night and returning with Chinese heads was a kind of a sport for them.

Akzed on June 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM

I served with some Turkish commandos.

Very tough hombres. Not guys you would ever want to mess with.

HeatSeeker2011 on June 23, 2012 at 9:50 AM

My dad served with them in Korea. Sneaking into Chinese camps at night and returning with Chinese heads was a kind of a sport for them.

Akzed on June 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Ever see Midnight Express, Assad?

honsy on June 23, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Shades of WWI?

DFCtomm on June 23, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Or more recently, the Gulf of Tonkin.

Paul-Cincy on June 23, 2012 at 12:04 PM

TFGP always leads from behind. The only exception would be if the Syrian people remind him of his son, which he never had.

Gladtobehere on June 23, 2012 at 11:08 AM

It’s funny what for Obama is a “tipping point” incident. Like, that Trayvon would look like his son, ergo, he needs to speak out about it. Or, the police “acted stupidly” detaining a man apparently breaking into his own home … he kinda looked like the father who would have raised Obama, if he had a father who raised him. His white grandmother merits a mention in his celebrated “speech on race”, because sometimes she’s afraid of people who look like him. The New Black Panther Party members who intimidated voters in Philly weren’t prosecuted for it. Perhaps because they looked like Obama’s brothers, if he had any brothers? (Don’t count his half-brother in Kenya who he ignores).

Paul-Cincy on June 23, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Man, this would fill up the ol’ gravy bowl.

Mr. D on June 23, 2012 at 12:18 PM

TFGP always leads from behind. The only exception would be if the Syrian people remind him of his son, which he never had.

Gladtobehere on June 23, 2012 at 11:08 AM

It’s funny what for Obama is a “tipping point” incident. Like, that Trayvon would look like his son, ergo, he needs to speak out about it. Or, the police “acted stupidly” detaining a man apparently breaking into his own home … he kinda looked like the father who would have raised Obama, if he had a father who raised him. His white grandmother merits a mention in his celebrated “speech on race”, because sometimes she’s afraid of people who look like him. The New Black Panther Party members who intimidated voters in Philly weren’t prosecuted for it. Perhaps because they looked like Obama’s brothers, if he had any brothers? (Don’t count his half-brother in Kenya who he ignores).

Paul-Cincy on June 23, 2012 at 12:11 PM

My thinking is that if it promotes racial grievance or denigrates Western civilization Obama is for it, but he’ll hold back sometimes for political reasons. To me, he acts more like the Community Organizer in Chief than the POTUS.

Gladtobehere on June 23, 2012 at 12:34 PM

If Turkey chooses to respond militarily and a war breaks out between the two nations, will NATO come to the defense of its member

It sounds like Turkey invaded Syrian airspace and was in the wrong, NATO had better not be starting a war over it, if anything NATO ought to apologize for one of their members provoking Syria.

FloatingRock on June 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM

I wonder what Archduke Franz Ferdinand thinks about all of this…?

Seven Percent Solution on June 23, 2012 at 1:00 PM

President Romney can’t take office fast enough.

vityas on June 23, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Why, are you in a big hurry to start wars with Syria and Iran?

FloatingRock on June 23, 2012 at 1:01 PM

That brings us to the NATO question. As a member of the alliance, Turkey lives within the same protective policy as all the other nations in the Cold War paradigm: An attack on one is an attack on all.

04 Apr. 1949
The North Atlantic Treaty

Article 5

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

NATO might not have to get involved since the provocation by Syria against Turkey is considered a Middle Eastern issue and not a North Atlantic or European issue.

This gives NATO a “Get Out Of Jail” card to play if necessary.

But we all know nothing will become of this. Syria will apologize, make reparations, and kiss and make up.

timberline on June 23, 2012 at 1:03 PM

exit ? will Obama start a war to win re-election?

unseen on June 23, 2012 at 1:09 PM

timberline on June 23, 2012 at 1:03 PM

yeah not coming to the defensse of an ally because of a technically will send just the right message to our other allies.

unseen on June 23, 2012 at 1:11 PM

exit ? will Obama start a war to win re-election?

unseen on June 23, 2012 at 1:09 PM

If anything I think it’s the ruling class in general, the elites of both parties, that are pounding the war drums to distract the American people from the transgressions of our real enemies, the corrupt ruling class.

FloatingRock on June 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM

If anything I think it’s the ruling class in general, the elites of both parties, that are pounding the war drums to distract the American people from the transgressions of our real enemies, the corrupt ruling class.

FloatingRock on June 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Plus they are all believers in the “fact” “gospel” etc that it took WW2 to get us out of the last depression.

With Putin flexing his muscle, IRan simmering and Syria being the country the major powers have determined is the linchpin of each’s respective strategy it looks like things are progressing towards a w3orld war

unseen on June 23, 2012 at 1:17 PM

unseen on June 23, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Yep, but I don’t get the sense that the war drums are catching on with the American people.

And the divergence between the ruling class and the people is an opportunity for people to encourage others to stop watching the MSM propagandists beating the war drums and get their news from more diverse sources online instead.

FloatingRock on June 23, 2012 at 1:21 PM

And the divergence between the ruling class and the people is an opportunity for people to encourage others to stop watching the MSM propagandists beating the war drums and get their news from more diverse sources online instead.

FloatingRock on June 23, 2012 at 1:21 PM

maybe but last time it took 10 years for WW2 to start after the crash of 29. we are only in year 4 and the pace seems quicker with the Arab spring, the China yellow sea problem, Russia, Iran now Sryia the Eruopean countries imploding. If the same progressive polices are followed over the next 4 years which seems to be the casewill happen no matter who is elected (i.e run away spending, printing money nonstop etc) I see the same conclusion occurring in the next 4 to 6 years as what happened in the 1930′s

unseen on June 23, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Yep, but I don’t get the sense that the war drums are NOT catching on with the American people.

fixed

FloatingRock on June 23, 2012 at 1:28 PM

I see the same conclusion occurring in the next 4 to 6 years as what happened in the 1930′s

unseen on June 23, 2012 at 1:27 PM

You’re right, there are similarities, but this time the ruling class doesn’t have a stranglehold on propaganda. A lot of people, especially younger people who are being screwed by the ruling class, already get their news from alternate sources on the Internet and see through the ploy. I expect that process to accelerate and hope the ruling class will discredit itself and finally implode.

FloatingRock on June 23, 2012 at 1:35 PM

yeah not coming to the defensse of an ally because of a technically will send just the right message to our other allies.

unseen on June 23, 2012 at 1:11 PM

I’m not advocating that NATO should use this as a “weazle out” card. I’m just copying an pasting what the NATO Charter says. If I saw this as a possible loop hole, don’t you think smarter people than I realize this? Chances are that there will be some kind of diplomatic agreement.

timberline on June 23, 2012 at 1:35 PM

I’ve just noticed that my so-called fix above was in error.

FloatingRock on June 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM

America is imperiled by the crookedness of our own ruling class, we haven’t addressed any of the major problems that caused the crash in ’08 that were building up for decades, the reckless ruling class just keeps borrowing, printing and spending money like there’s no tomorrow, with no intent to stop. They don’t want to sacrifice their power and control as would be required to fix America’s problems, instead they are increasing and consolidating their own power and prestige, ensuring their own golden parachutes, and hope to distract the American people with new wars overseas.

But in tumultuous times like these proxy wars with Russian and Chinese client states are more likely to escalate. And if people stay home glued to their TV’s watching the latest developments in the war with Russia and China instead of turning out in the streets demanding we fix our own problems instead, that may suit the ruling class’s interests just fine. And perhaps our ruling class will intimate to the ruling class’s of Russia and China that a limited war will distract their populations as well, and so they might hope to keep a lid on it.

But lids sometimes pop off under pressure.

Anyway, this is just theory, I’m not saying this is a conspiracy, it is just political analysis.

FloatingRock on June 23, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Russia would never confront NATO forces, they have to much to lose from such a confrontation. The thing the Russian government fears more than most is having its military suffer a majorly embarrassing defeat at the hands of NATO. Any amateur military analyst can tell you Russian forces don’t stand a chance against American-led NATO forces. Considering how many casualties the Russians took invading Georgia (it was never publicized, but the stats are there), the Russians will only stick to supplying weapons.

That said, they may feel spurned by all this and start shipping Assad shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles, which would be quite the headache.

Blacksoda on June 23, 2012 at 2:22 PM

No. Turkey’s quasi-Islamist government is usually an ally of Iran.

steebo77

sigh…

Steebo, Turkey is not an ally of Iran. At best it is a rival of Iran for attention and power in the Islamist quarters of Asia.

Srsly, “ally”?

It’s hard to lower the IQ content of HA’s comments, so congrats. You’re a winner.

chimney sweep on June 23, 2012 at 2:22 PM

If I saw this as a possible loop hole, don’t you think smarter people than I realize this? Chances are that there will be some kind of diplomatic agreement.

timberline on June 23, 2012 at 1:35 PM

yes the “smart” people will see it too and use it as a loop hole maybe but if they do they will never understand the damage in the eyes of our allies using it will bring.

unseen on June 23, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Reportedly, Turkey lost track of a Phantom over the Mediterranean. In CYA fashion, one Turkish spokesman announced that Turkey received an apology from Syria. That announcement was followed by the next announcement denying any knowledge regarding the status of the plane in question, and unaware of having received or not received any apology from Syria, whether or not Syria was even responsible for the lost plane, OR whether any plane had really been lost.

Confused? Then make of it what you will. Disinformation. MSM feeding frenzy benefiting Obama and regressive barbarity posing as Progress.

Run with the spin, Ed, and feed the Muslim Brotherhood overthrowing the entire Arabian Peninsula. Saudi Wahhabi fundamentalism is exactly what the indigenous minority populations of ALL DIFFERENT RELIGIONS AND TRIBES are begging for America to bring: NOT. Promote the Muslim Brotherhood and kill the indigenous Christians (doesn’t bother Roman Catholics, purifying heresy from the Mother Church in the 21st Century), kill the Jews, the Kurds, the Druze, the Baha’is, the Shia because “Saudi Arabia is our friend”: NOT! THEY ARE NOT “FRIENDS” BUT USE THE US FOR THEIR OWN CRUEL ENDS. And in fool’s fashion, like whores we let them use US because we think we are using them. As if the “Arab Spring” has made any significant improvement in human rights there; the opposite has resulted for the worse. And it isn’t as if the CIA didn’t expect or want these horrendous results as civilian populations are destroyed not simply by one side or the other, but by FOREVER WAR of GENOCIDE funded by the USA taxpayers.

maverick muse on June 23, 2012 at 2:49 PM

To anybody who might think my analysis of the ruling class’s motivations are delusional, does this strike you as odd?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/us-military-to-run-urban-exercises-in-north-st-louis-residents-hope-it-will-cut-down-on-crime/

FloatingRock on June 23, 2012 at 3:06 PM

I’ve just noticed that my so-called fix above was in error. FloatingRock on June 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Never repair spelling and grammar in a post. People will understand what you meant, unless it’s especially egregious e.g. makes you look like a liberal.

The worst is when people say something like, Doh! Meant their, not there. Gotta go have that fourth cup of coffee :-).

When you feel like you really really must correct yourself, turn off your computer and hang your head in shame before the temptation gets the best of you.

Akzed on June 23, 2012 at 3:28 PM

The Turks had no problem sanctioning, funding a terrorist flotila to my country Israel, violating our blockade and waters. Then blaming us us for it all when we defended ourselves. I’ve no love for Syria that’s *for sure*.. But the Islamist Turks are not to be trusted.

saus on June 23, 2012 at 3:37 PM

saus on June 23, 2012 at 3:37 PM

In that part of the world, who is? Come to think of it …

Cleombrotus on June 23, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Never repair spelling and grammar in a post.

Akzed on June 23, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Generally I agree and avoid making corrections, but never say never. I never do it unless my meaning is liable to be misunderstood. In this case there are people on the right who are on both sides of getting involved in Syria’s civil war, and some might have taken the wrong message from my comment. Fortunately this time my original comment was correct and my fix turned out to be in error.

FloatingRock on June 23, 2012 at 3:48 PM

World War 3?? Getting my popcorn ready!

jephthah on June 23, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Considering how many casualties the Russians took invading Georgia (it was never publicized, but the stats are there), the Russians will only stick to supplying weapons.

Quite true…although the leftist press made it seem that the Georgians were powerless against the Russians I have it on very good authority that they got bloodied..in one incident apparently the a Russian tank force stopped and everyone got out to stretch their legs, get a smoke, etc. Only problem is they were under observation and several Georgian batteries delivered a time on target barrage…not much to pick up once the smoke cleared.

ironmarshal on June 23, 2012 at 9:15 PM

That brings us to the NATO question.

Here we go. Another 0bama war that Romney refuses to condemn.

DannoJyd on June 24, 2012 at 4:18 AM

That brings us to the NATO question.

This could really escalate and if Obama sees an opportunity to score even 1 political point by escalating tensions I have no doubt that he will got for it

Dollayo on June 24, 2012 at 5:12 AM