Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on June 23, 2012 by Allahpundit

President Obama may have to clear a high bar in order to lock down Fast and Furious documents from the prying eyes of congressional investigators.

After the White House asserted executive privilege over potentially thousands of documents pertaining to the botched anti-gunrunning operation, critics of the move pointed out that the federal appeals court in the nation’s capital has taken a skeptical view toward privilege claims in the past…

“The privilege,” the court wrote, “disappears altogether when there is any reason to believe government misconduct occurred.”

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The OCDETF designation enabled Fast and Furious investigators to use wiretaps. This is highly unusual in ATF-run cases — almost all federal wiretapping is done in investigations led by the FBI or the DEA. As noted above, wiretapping requires Main Justice approval. But that’s not all: As I’ve previously outlined, federal wiretap law mandates that the application to the court describe the investigative tactics that have been used in the investigation and explain why those tactics cannot achieve the investigation’s objectives without wiretapping. If the Fast and Furious wiretap applications complied with federal law, they must have described the gunwalking tactic. These applications cannot be submitted to a federal judge until they have been approved by Main Justice; they are submitted to the Department’s Office of Enforcement Operations, which screens them very carefully.

There is little doubt that the wiretap applications would show that senior DOJ officials were aware of the gunwalking tactic long before Agent Terry was gunned down on December 14, 2010. But that’s not the half of it. Bet your bottom dollar that gunwalking was discussed in the consideration of whether to make Fast and Furious an OCDETF case in the first place. OCDETF investigations, moreover, are carefully monitored by the Justice Department throughout, to ensure that the extraordinary flow of funding continues to be worthwhile. I’m wagering that senior DOJ officials — which is to say, Obama-administration political appointees — knew about the gunwalking for close to a year before Agent Terry’s death.

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Republicans want to know whether top officials at Justice or the White House knew about the gun-walking program, which, although they haven’t turned up evidence of this, would be a reasonable line of inquiry. But casting doubt on their motives are the documents they are demanding: only those since February 2011 — two months after Terry was killed and the program was shut down.

Rep. Gerald Connolly (D-Va.) accused Issa of setting up a “kangaroo court” to convict Holder. “If this were a genuine attempt to make sure that the Terry family had closure, we’d have an open investigation,” he said, and call witnesses involved in the program over the past six years. But, Democrats complained, Issa never sought public testimony from people in the Phoenix ATF office who ran the operation, or from the former head of the ATF, who told committee investigators that he never informed Justice Department higher-ups of the operation because he didn’t know about it…

The indignation would sound more genuine if Republicans weren’t going after Holder over what has happened since Terry died.

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Along with conservative commentators like Rush Limbaugh, Issa suggested as late as April that Fast and Furious may have been part of a policy by the White House to flood the Mexican market with guns to foment violence, which would then put political pressure back on the US to curb its wide-open border gun bazaar and weaken Second Amendment rights…

“Could it be that what they really were thinking of was in fact to use this walking of guns in order to promote an assault weapons ban?” Rep. Issa said. “Many think so. And [the administration] hasn’t come up with an explanation that would cause any of us not to agree.”…

[W]hile the political lines around Fast and Furious are thus clearly drawn, allusions to Watergate-sized conspiracy theories do, at the very least, also help bolster Issa’s central point: If only to quell such theories, Americans deserve to know whether it was really a hapless bureaucratic blunder or whether administration officials lied about the extent of their involvement in what became a deadly scandal.

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Pity lead House Republican investigator Rep. Darrell Issa of California. It is his misfortune that he isn’t looking into matters about which the Obama administration can talk freely — namely, all its covert national-security programs.

If Justice Department documents that Issa’s committee seeks from Attorney General Eric Holder had been the subject of a top-secret meeting in the White House Situation Room, their contents already would have been splashed across the media. Issa could read the A1 New York Times story and be done with it.

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Via the Daily Caller.

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Holder’s former assistant lied his derriere off on Fox today.

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2012 at 8:04 PM

I’m wagering that senior DOJ officials — which is to say, Obama-administration political appointees — knew about the gunwalking for close to a year before Agent Terry’s death.

despicable…the liar in chief will get away with murder literally if this gets swept under the rug….

the dude is on tape saying he just heard about it with the rest of us in the news….PUHLEEZE

cmsinaz on June 23, 2012 at 8:07 PM

If Justice Department documents that Issa’s committee seeks from Attorney General Eric Holder had been the subject of a top-secret meeting in the White House Situation Room, their contents already would have been splashed across the media. Issa could read the A1 New York Times story and be done with it.

Smack!

Kataklysmic on June 23, 2012 at 8:08 PM

The One is in it for The One. The president invoked executive privilege because he is protecting himself.

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Holder’s former assistant lied his derriere off on Fox today.

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Missed it. Can you recap?

marinetbryant on June 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Missed it. Can you recap?

marinetbryant on June 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Every word he uttered was laudable, in general terms, toward Holder…

“Holder saved us from the Bush program”

“Holder was shocked” when he found out about it…in 2011.

“Holder doesn’t want to publicly upset the Terry family”, thus he takes “no responsibility toward them”, bla, bla, bla…he could work for any of the old newspaper/TV program.

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Hope and Change™

Electrongod on June 23, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Missed it. Can you recap?

marinetbryant on June 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Plus “the committee wasted tax payers’ dollars and is all political”.

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Fast and Furiously moving FORWARD.

Electrongod on June 23, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Sorry marinetbryant, thank you for serving or for having done so, and for keeping us free and free to be stupid.

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2012 at 8:17 PM

The OCDETF designation enabled Fast and Furious investigators to use wiretaps.

WIRETAPS ?
Didyall know that Bush violated the Constitutional rights and civil liberties of all Americans by tapping the phones of foreign jihadies ? Do you remember ? Do you ? Do you ? Huh ? huh ?
FnF is Bush’s fault !

burrata on June 23, 2012 at 8:18 PM

the dude is on tape saying he just heard about it with the rest of us in the news….PUHLEEZE

cmsinaz on June 23, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Indeed he did. I would love to see some intrepid member of our so-called media ask the boy king what he was referring to in this exchange with Sarah Brady.

On March 30, the 30th anniversary of the assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan, Jim Brady, who sustained a debilitating head wound in the attack, and his wife, Sarah, came to Capitol Hill to push for a ban on the controversial “large magazines.” Brady, for whom the law requiring background checks on handgun purchasers is named, then met with White House press secretary Jay Carney. During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.

“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.” Source

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 8:18 PM

“The privilege,” the court wrote, “disappears altogether when there is any reason to believe government misconduct occurred.”

Border agent killed because of a DoJ operation. DoJ ignores the fact until they can’t. Where is the misconduct? /

Happy Nomad on June 23, 2012 at 8:18 PM

We used to hear a lot, from the left, about Chimpy Bush. But he won his second term with plenty of room to spare. Now we have Chimpy Obama. And Chimpy Obama is going down like a lump of pig-iron. Obama/Holder makes Nixon/Mitchell look like schoolyard miscreants. Obama/Holder are directly implicated in the murder of dozens of innocent people.

minnesoter on June 23, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Obama/Holder are directly implicated in the murder of dozens of innocent people.

minnesoter on June 23, 2012 at 8:18 PM

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300 that we know of. See the Whittle tape, above, a must see/listen.

Latinos, Obama hates you, dead or alive. He just wants your votes. Wake up.

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Any attorney will tell you a privilege is ALWAYS used to hide incriminating evidence. That is why it exist. It is NEVER used to keep out exonerating evidence.

pat on June 23, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Where is the misconduct? /

Happy Nomad on June 23, 2012 at 8:18 PM

First we must go through a round of hearings to define the word…
Misconduct…

Electrongod on June 23, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Can we get back to the important stuff that Congress investigated when the Dems were in charge? I need to know more about steroid use in pro athletes and the BCS playoff system.

Cindy Munford on June 23, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Get yourselves ready for this gov’t to fight against guns next, based on the UT fires.

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2012 at 8:21 PM

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2012/06/22/report_calif_to_get_seas_rising_6_inches_by_2030/

Rats!! We thought the election of Barry had stopped that. Another broken promise.

bayview on June 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

“Could it be that what they really were thinking of was in fact to use this walking of guns in order to promote an assault weapons ban?” Rep. Issa said. “Many think so. And [the administration] hasn’t come up with an explanation that would cause any of us not to agree.”…

THIS and the documentation currently hidden by EP is why Obama and Holder are doing everything they can to hide their actions. This clearly was the intent which is why Obama was bragging to Sarah Brady.

Happy Nomad on June 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Remember the WaterBoarding outrage?

No one died.

Electrongod on June 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

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300 that we know of. See the Whittle tape, above, a must see/listen.

Latinos, Obama hates you, dead or alive. He just wants your votes. Wake up.

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Correction – that was not sarcasm. No idea where I got that /…duh, on me.

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

I forwarded the Bill Whittle video to a few people I know and was pleasantly surprised to get a couple of responses from female friends who normally aren’t that politically engaged. They watched it and were rightly horrified. They had both heard the phrase “Fast and Furious” tossed around lately but didn’t really know what it was about. Now they are outraged and are forwarding it to their friends. It’s a a great video and I hope it goes viral.

Kataklysmic on June 23, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Not a Brooksian, but he’s right. If the public starts looking more into the FF crap, they are not going to be happy with Obama. MSM better do double time to make sure that doesn’t happen.

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2012 at 8:21 PM

What does that mean?

Cindy Munford on June 23, 2012 at 8:26 PM

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2012/06/22/report_calif_to_get_seas_rising_6_inches_by_2030/

Rats!! We thought the election of Barry had stopped that. Another broken promise.

bayview on June 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Looks like a presentation for some grant money !

burrata on June 23, 2012 at 8:27 PM

“Could it be that what they really were thinking of was in fact to use this walking of guns in order to promote an assault weapons ban?”

You bet your sweet bippy it was and ATF’s own documents verify it.

Documents: ATF used “Fast and Furious” to make the case for gun regulations

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Holder’s former assistant lied his derriere off on Fox today.

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2012 at 8:04 PM

That is what they do.

Terrye on June 23, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Rep. Gerald Connolly (D-Va.) accused Issa of setting up a “kangaroo court” to convict Holder. “If this were a genuine attempt to make sure that the Terry family had closure, we’d have an open investigation,” he said, and call witnesses involved in the program over the past six years. But, Democrats complained, Issa never sought public testimony from people in the Phoenix ATF office who ran the operation, or from the former head of the ATF, who told committee investigators that he never informed Justice Department higher-ups of the operation because he didn’t know about it…

Why are we not surprised? Once again this is what the middle class gets for sitting out the 2010 elections and letting the crazies take over.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Eric Holder lied… Brian Terry died…

Khun Joe on June 23, 2012 at 8:30 PM

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 8:24 PM

My moderate/left leaning cousin knows all about FF. I make it a point to tune into FNC when I’m over drinking beers. He is really pi$$ed about it…

OmahaConservative on June 23, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Fast and Furiously moving FORWARD.

Electrongod on June 23, 2012 at 8:17 PM

GOP House, where are the jobs???

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

PLEASE don’t engage the troll. It has one purpose and one purpose ONLY – to divert this thread from the issue at hand!

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

I’m thinking that Barry needs to report himself to Attaaaaack Waaaaaatch immediately.

This Chicago Circus has been a rogue administration from the get-go; it’s time for them to get gone.

hillbillyjim on June 23, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Why are we not surprised? Once again this is what the middle class gets for sitting out the 2010 elections and letting the crazies take over.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:29 PM

The crazies responsible answer to the Executive Office…

Who is that…by the way?

Electrongod on June 23, 2012 at 8:33 PM

GOP House, where are the jobs???

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Black muslim White House, where are the jobs ?

burrata on June 23, 2012 at 8:33 PM

GOP House, where are the jobs???

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Stuck in the Democratic Senate…
Idiot!

Electrongod on June 23, 2012 at 8:34 PM

My moderate/left leaning cousin knows all about FF. I make it a point to tune into FNC when I’m over drinking beers. He is really pi$$ed about it…

OmahaConservative on June 23, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Tell 10 of his friends, then! You can see the fear and desperation in the eyes of Maddow, Maher, and co.

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 8:34 PM

GOP House, where are the jobs???

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Ask 0bama YOUR HUSBAND that question…

OmahaConservative on June 23, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Why are we not surprised? Once again this is what the middle class gets for sitting out the 2010 elections and letting the crazies take over.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Connoly is the sins of sitting out an election. The bastard is going down this year.

Happy Nomad on June 23, 2012 at 8:34 PM

GOP House, where are the jobs???

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Someone should tell them Eric Holder just created a new job opening for a border patrol agent.

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 8:35 PM

GOP House, where are the jobs???

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Why not ask Obama? When Bush was president everything was his fault. I do not remember anyone blaming Nancy the witch Pelosi for the meltdown…now all of a sudden it the House? Please..you people are pathetic.

Terrye on June 23, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 8:18 PM

don’t hold your breath…sad to say

cmsinaz on June 23, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Why not ask Obama? When Bush was president everything was his fault. I do not remember anyone blaming Nancy the witch Pelosi for the meltdown…now all of a sudden it the House? Please..you people are pathetic.

Terrye on June 23, 2012 at 8:35 PM

My, oh, my, Terrye. That does not sound like a tongue of moderation… Eh, let ‘im have it!

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 8:37 PM

GOP House, where are the jobs???

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Stuck in the Democratic Senate…
Idiot!

Electrongod on June 23, 2012 at 8:34 PM

60 bills and counting, meanwhile, Harry Reid can not even come up with a budget much less jobs.

Terrye on June 23, 2012 at 8:37 PM

where are the jobs???

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Up in a puff of unicorn-fart-purified Choom Gang smoke.

WHERE IS THE HOPE?

WHAT KIND OF CHANGE DO YOU CALL THIS SCOAMF-INSTIGATED DISASTER?

Go play with your tinker toys or something, you bothersome child.

hillbillyjim on June 23, 2012 at 8:37 PM

One question I have is why Dennis Burke former U.S.Attorney in Phoenix and on the ground manager of the program has not been granted immunity and forced to testify. It would seem to me he could offer a large dose of sunlight on the subject.

tim c on June 23, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Sorry Flora, I couldn’t resist.
Hangs head in shame…

OmahaConservative on June 23, 2012 at 8:38 PM

My, oh, my, Terrye. That does not sound like a tongue of moderation… Eh, let ‘im have it!

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 8:37 PM

I believe in moderation in some things, but certainly not all things…these people are just trying my patience.

Terrye on June 23, 2012 at 8:39 PM

GOP House, where are the jobs???

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

30 job bills sitting on harry reids desk…talk with your buddy over there….the gop house did their jobs and even passed a budget

cmsinaz on June 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Rep. Gerald Connolly (D-Va.) accused Issa of setting up a “kangaroo court” to convict Holder. “If this were a genuine attempt to make sure that the Terry family had closure, we’d have an open investigation,” he said, and call witnesses involved in the program over the past six years.

and again the WaPo proves Pravda isn’t dead, but very much alive and working in the halls of the WaPo building, doing everything fair and especially foul to white wash this president. He’s just too black,.. too left wing.. and too damned perfect to the drones at Pravda West to ever be guilty of anything that would get a Rpublican executed in this town.

and thank you Bill Whittle..

and no.. the MSM has no shame at all.. or the NYT’s and WaPo wouldn’t be cranking out false hit pieces for the Obama campaign hoping to damage Romney before he becomes unbeatable.

But for FOX the web and AM Radio, journalism would be completely dead in this country.. not murdered, but a suicide. It killed itself in a vain attempt to create a one party state.

mark81150 on June 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM

If Holder can’t quite bring himself to turn them over to Congress, surely he can leak them.

maybe he can be coaxed to do so if someone says that SEAL Team Six was involved…../

/suggestions.

ted c on June 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Aaaaaand it’s succeeded in its mission. Congratulations UES, I hope you enjoy the blood money you earned tonight.

In Memory of Brian Terry, Jamie Zapata and 300 Innocent Mexican Men, Women and Children

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 8:42 PM

GOP House, where are the jobs???

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

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Ask Obama. You filthy partisan whore.

Happy Nomad on June 23, 2012 at 8:42 PM

GOP House, where are the jobs???

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

You are precious—-off topic, make hit and split points. You get rational, reasonable responses and you never come back with your rational reasons for thinking the way you do.
Whats the matter, cat got your tongue claw?

arnold ziffel on June 23, 2012 at 8:42 PM

ATF officials didn’t intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called “Demand Letter 3″. That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or “long guns.” Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.

On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF’s Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:

“Bill – can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks.”

ted c on June 23, 2012 at 8:43 PM

these people are just trying my patience.

Terrye on June 23, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Just wait till September/October…

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Where is Kevin O’Reilly?
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ted c on June 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Instead of focusing on jobs, these temporary infiltrators of our House will rather spend time pitting middle class Americans against each other.

Instead of coming up with tangible ways to promote growth and reduce unnecessary spending, they will rather focus on highlighting trivial misgivings amongst struggling Americans.

Stop the class warfare between the middle class.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Just wait till September/October…

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Mr. Mayhem will have nothing on these people. That is for sure. Screaming, crying, threats, etc

Terrye on June 23, 2012 at 8:46 PM

GOP House, where are the jobs???

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

HAHAHA you’re funny.

The jobs will come when President Romney is inaugerated and the republicans control the House and the Senate and the TEA PARTY is on all three branches like white on rice.

stenwin77 on June 23, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Remember “Bush lied, people died?” *snort.

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Stop the class warfare between the middle class.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM

If the warfare is all between the middle class, it’s not class warfare. Sounds more like a civil war.

Kataklysmic on June 23, 2012 at 8:47 PM

arnold ziffel on June 23, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Chill out on the empty talking points. I am yet to get a honest answer to the question i asked.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:47 PM

GOP House, where are the jobs???

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

When Reid get’s off his lazy azz and get’s a Senate budget passed, so the two can be recounciled.. then it’d be the first time since the GOP house has been there that he has..

You know damn well the GOP has passed jobs bills.. but lie by omission to protect the filthy scumbag Reid, who would kill every job in this country but his own, to get just one vote for the democrats..

how do you twist facts this much, distort reality to this degree and still sleep at night.

do they carve your conscience out when you become a progressive?, certainly you get by fine without brains.. when any normal life form would die from that omission.

but then.. nobody ever said democrats were a higher life form.

mark81150 on June 23, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Instead of focusing on jobs, these temporary infiltrators of our House will rather spend time pitting middle class Americans against each other.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM

You idiot!

The House can’t do any more for jobs while Harry Reid is controlling the Senate.

Comprede?

Electrongod on June 23, 2012 at 8:47 PM

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Will do. He told his parents who are big libs…
They were shocked.

OmahaConservative on June 23, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Instead of focusing on jobs, these temporary infiltrators of our House will rather spend time pitting middle class Americans against each other.

Instead of coming up with tangible ways to promote growth and reduce unnecessary spending, they will rather focus on highlighting trivial misgivings amongst struggling Americans.

Stop the class warfare between the middle class.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Instead of whining about the House, go yell at Harry Reid because every damn time the GOP comes up with any kind of a jobs bill he refuses to let it come up for a vote. You forget that the Democrats control half of Congress. I can not really blame you, if I was a Democrat I would want to forget Harry Reid too. He is such a joke.

Terrye on June 23, 2012 at 8:49 PM

This, Upyerbackside, er Uppereastside person is really pathetically low brow. It sounds like a 5th grader most of the time. Tiresome.

MustLoveBlogs on June 23, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Where are the documents?

We already know what happened to the jobs; it was a malevolent wind from Chicago.

Where are the documents?

Why are they being sequestered from oversight by proper and Constitutional authority?

I won’t hold my breath.

hillbillyjim on June 23, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Chill out on the empty talking points. I am yet to get a honest answer to the question i asked.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:47 PM

From yesterday—why do you think Romney outsourced jobs?

From a month ago—why did the middle class go for Bush in 08?

arnold ziffel on June 23, 2012 at 8:50 PM

The jobs will come when President Romney is inaugerated and the republicans control the House and the Senate and the TEA PARTY is on all three branches like white on rice.

stenwin77 on June 23, 2012 at 8:46 PM

So you admit your crony capitalist house is yet to introduce one single jobs bill. They are waiting on a “president Romney”. Good luck with that champ. Americans will never vote for a coreless person as president.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:51 PM

And I will tell you something else Uppereastside….we had to listen to months and months of hysterical paranoid catter walling from the media and the Democrats over the socalled outing of Valerie Plame,and she is alive and well..which is more than can be said for Terry and Zapata.

Terrye on June 23, 2012 at 8:51 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/23/krauthammer-killed-fast-and-furious-border-agent-brian-terrys-parents-deserve-answers/

Charles Krauthammer brings the hammer to this panel and demands answers. His fellow panelists are flustered.

ted c on June 23, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Where is Kevin O’Reilly?

ted c on June 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM

That’s what I’ve been wondering. He was supposedly sent on assignment to Iraq in Oct. 2011. To my knowledge, he’s not been spoken of since.

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Chill out on the empty talking points. I am yet to get a honest answer to the question i asked.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:47 PM

You aren’t looking for honesty. If you were, you’d be outraged over what your president just did. But, sure, let’s PLEASE not talk about Fast and Furious, right?

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Yeastybeasty cannot defend; therefore she deflects.

Typical, and tiresome.

hillbillyjim on June 23, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Chill out on the empty talking points. I am yet to get a honest answer to the question i asked.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Fool.

Electrongod on June 23, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Holder lied, Brian Terry died.

and 1 Mexican….

and a second…..

and a third….
and a fourth

and a fifth….

and a sixth….

and a twentieth…..

and ten times that many!!!

ted c on June 23, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Where is Kevin O’Reilly?

ted c on June 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Um, Afghanistan where there are no phones, planes or trains.

arnold ziffel on June 23, 2012 at 8:53 PM

“The privilege,” the court wrote, “disappears altogether when there is any reason to believe government misconduct occurred.”

So that President Obama can understand: This is a two stroke penalty and your tee shot is waaaaaaaaaay out of bounds.

Rovin on June 23, 2012 at 8:53 PM

And I will tell you something else Uppereastside….we had to listen to months and months of hysterical paranoid catter walling from the media and the Democrats over the socalled outing of Valerie Plame,and she is alive and well..which is more than can be said for Terry and Zapata.

Terrye on June 23, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Yep.

But now Brian Terry’s death is Bush’s fault, dinchya know?

Actually, I shouldn’t refer to him by his name … no one in the Obama administration seems to know it!

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 8:53 PM

ted c on June 23, 2012 at 8:43 PM

might find this interesting :

In 2011, Terri noticed a customer that had made an unusually large number of purchases. The customer, Penny Torres, told Terri that they were having a family reunion at a ranch in the area and that they all liked to shoot. Terri was suspicious of Torres story and being the law abiding gun dealer she is, she reported her suspicions to one of her friends that worked with the Luna County Sheriff’s Department. Terri told him that she suspected Torres might be a ‘straw buyer’ (someone who purchased guns for illegal purposes such as going over the Mexican border to the drug cartels, kind of like what the US government did with Operation Fast and Furious).
The Luna County Sheriff’s Department officer Terri reported to was someone she trusted and who she always turned to if they had any need for law enforcement. He told her that he would promptly report it to ATF and would let her know what happened with the case.Torres was subsequently arrested, but ended up making a deal with the feds for leniency by implicating the Reese family as knowingly selling guns that were to illegally cross the border into Mexico. This launched an investigation by a recently formed federal agency known as Homeland Security Investigators (HSI), who set up a sting operation to entrap the Reeses.

Read more: http://godfatherpolitics.com/5813/feds-jail-new-mexico-family-seize-everything-they-own-being-honest-legal-firearms-dealers/#ixzz1yfRTH1r5

burrata on June 23, 2012 at 8:53 PM

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2012/06/22/report_calif_to_get_seas_rising_6_inches_by_2030/

Rats!! We thought the election of Barry had stopped that. Another broken promise.

bayview on June 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Hmmmm….

June 22, 2012 says Southern and central California can expect sea levels to rise in a range of about three feel over the next century

The sea levels will only cop a feel three times over the next century?? Now that IS sad.

The Rogue Tomato on June 23, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Yeastybeasty cannot defend; therefore she deflects.

Typical, and tiresome.

hillbillyjim on June 23, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I’m sure she is getalife with a new handle…

OmahaConservative on June 23, 2012 at 8:54 PM

I am yet to get a honest answer to the question i asked.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:47 PM

You have yet to ask an honest question.

cozmo on June 23, 2012 at 8:54 PM

So you admit your crony capitalist house is yet to introduce one single jobs bill. They are waiting on a “president Romney”. Good luck with that champ. Americans will never vote for a coreless person as president.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:51 PM

The hypocricy of people like you is just stunning. Obama and the Democrats have driven our debt sky high while they line their pockets and the pockets of their friends and donors.

Terrye on June 23, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Terrye on June 23, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the upper 1% is not a jobs plan.

You need to read the comments from your comrades here. They’ve all admitted the house has no plans to introduce any jobs plan until they get a “president romney”. And you and I know there will never be a president romney.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Chill out on the empty talking points. I am yet to get a honest answer to the question i asked.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:47 PM

You aren’t looking for honesty. If you were, you’d be outraged over what your president just did. But, sure, let’s PLEASE not talk about Fast and Furious, right?

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Boy, you weren’t kidding earlier when you said this:

The diehard progs are up in arms over this (often regurgitating mindless talking points).

They’re scared about this.

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Kataklysmic on June 23, 2012 at 8:55 PM

A bazillion dollars of wasted “stimulus” debt pissed away, and someone has to ask “Where are the jobs?”

A bazillion regulations, and the promise of more to come driving capital away like ravening coyote stampeding a herd of cattle and someone has the temerity to ask “Where are the jobs?”

Where are the documents?

(That is the topic of this thread.)

hillbillyjim on June 23, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the upper 1% is not a jobs plan.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Thanks for the stupid line of the day.

cozmo on June 23, 2012 at 8:57 PM

You forget that the Democrats control half of Congress. I can not really blame you, if I was a Democrat I would want to forget Harry Reid too. He is such a joke.

Terrye on June 23, 2012 at 8:49 PM

No, it hasn’t forgotten. It has accomplished exactly what it set out to accomplish, as it does in every thread about Fast and Furious, bring out its lame talking points to divert attention away from the fact that the boy king and Holder are responsible for, or covering up, the MURDER of 2 U.S. Law Enforcement Officers and hundreds of Mexican citizens.

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Kataklysmic on June 23, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Yep. They’re terrified.

Scooter Libby should have run guns instead.

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 8:57 PM

And to think, I always thought C-I-C stood for Commander-In-Chief, not Criminal-In-Chief.

predator on June 23, 2012 at 8:57 PM

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 8:53 PM

The man’s death was unfortunate. However this corrupt house leadership has managed to politicize his death. There is nothing they cant seem to politicize.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:57 PM

IF ONLY BRIAN TERRY WAS INNOCENTLY WALKING HOME WITH SOME ICE TEA AND A BAG OF SKITTLES. MAYBE THEN THE MUSLIM AZZ LICKING DEMOCRATS WOULD GIVE A F__K.

GhoulAid on June 23, 2012 at 8:58 PM

You need to read the comments from your comrades here. They’ve all admitted the house has no plans to introduce any jobs plan until they get a “president romney”. And you and I know there will never be a president romney.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 8:55 PM

You are a hack…

Us comrades here have said nothing of the sort..
What we said is the GOP has passed 30+ bills to the Senate.

Look there for your answer..

Electrongod on June 23, 2012 at 8:58 PM

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