Hot Air Survey: Vice Presidential Results

posted at 12:16 pm on June 23, 2012 by Patrick Ishmael

After a long run at the top, Marco Rubio has been overtaken by Bobby Jindal as Hot Air’s pick for vice president. Allen West came in third, followed by Paul Ryan and Condoleezza Rice. Over 2300 votes were cast:

How likely do readers think it is that Mitt Romney will win? Pretty darn likely, actually, to the tune of about a 73% chance overall.

And with how many electoral votes? The average, mode, and median EV predictions all hover right around 300. That’d be a very big win.

Also, the survey’s demographics have remained remarkably consistent over time; the number of voters over age fifty was roughly the same as the number of voters under fifty, and the gender breakdown was again right about 70-30 men-to-women. That’s all pretty standard for Hot Air surveys.

If you’re interested in mining specific stats (the original post is still live,) message me on Twitter and I’ll try to help you out.

Thanks for participating. These are always fun.

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Brian1972 on June 23, 2012 at 12:36 PM

We’ll take care of those two on Nov 6th.

hawkdriver on June 23, 2012 at 12:43 PM

hawkdriver:

Let it be said….so it will be written!:)
(A tad sarc).

canopfor on June 23, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I second that emotion!

Brian1972 on June 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM

And libs think we’re the ones who are racists….

goflyers on June 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM

No, they don’t really think that. Dimwits like Uppereastside always project their racism onto the Right, because it helps them ignore their hypocrisy.

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 23, 2012 at 12:50 PM

http://westernhero.blogspot.com/2011/05/is-bobby-jindal-eligible-to-be.html

I agree that the Constitution doesn’t define “natural born citizen”. It may go to court, but his parents were here legally and he was born here. Unless you have something more concrete than “it’s against the Constitution”, you’ve got nothing.

AubieJon on June 23, 2012 at 12:57 PM

I doubt I’ll take these poll results very serious. Google Docs was obviously having some issues and after numerous attempts over the course of the day I was never able to access the poll, just a big blank white area where it was supposed to be.

ButterflyDragon on June 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM

The results don’t match the exit polling, so clearly this election was rigged. Must be Google DIEBOLDS they’re using.

El_Terrible on June 23, 2012 at 12:57 PM

So you agree the middle class is unfairly being targeted because the republicans have fully exempted their upper 1% bosses from contributing their fair share. Good to know we can agree on that.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Uppereastside:Ya,speaking of that 1%!!
=======================================

Barack Obama (D)
Top Contributors
****************

University of California $1,648,685
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
Harvard University $878,164
Microsoft Corp $852,167
Google Inc $814,540
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
Time Warner $624,618
Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
Stanford University $595,716
National Amusements Inc $563,798
WilmerHale LLP $550,668
Columbia University $547,852
Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
UBS AG $532,674
IBM Corp $532,372
General Electric $529,855
US Government $513,308
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham & Watkins $503,295
=================================

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638

canopfor on June 23, 2012 at 12:58 PM

You know as well as I know when this administration leaves the White House they will trash it just like the last time the left moved out and Obama will pardon all his criminals just like Bill did with his criminals. Funny how easy it is to forget the left taking all the “W’s” off the key boards stealing what they could and pardoned by the Republican for the crime. We need someone to hold them to their crimes. We need a John Wayne.

mixplix on June 23, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Joe Biden would love to go to Bobby Jindal’s 7-11, right UES?
MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I don’t recall Joe cracking a 7-11 joke about Piyush. We sure can’t say the same about the Kenyan jokes on your side of the aisle.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Preach it Flo.

hawkdriver on June 23, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Do you believe The Govenator is eligible to become preezy? Why or why not?

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Arnold was born in Austria/Europe. NO
Jindal was born in Louisiana. It might have to go thru a court to get a decision, but YES.

AubieJon on June 23, 2012 at 1:03 PM

We need a John Wayne

That’s not Mitt Romney.

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 1:03 PM

canopfor on June 23, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Yup! That same one. I hear their investment in Obama isn’t paying out as well hence the switch to Sketch.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:03 PM

canopfor on June 23, 2012 at 12:58 PM

That doesn’t count people like David Geffen, Steven Spielberg, Tom Hanks, and the rest of the %1 in Hollywood who didn’t return their “unfair share” of the Bush Tax Cuts the last 12 years.

Anna Wintour? Tina Brown? Pinch Sulzberger? Les Moonves?

Katie Couric? Diane Sawyer? Brian Williams?

Salt of the Earth, I tell ya. /sarc

Brian1972 on June 23, 2012 at 1:03 PM

to idiots that voted for jindal and rubio…why did rohrabacher and conyers try to change eligibility [8 attempts from 2003 to 2007]…[from birtherthinktank]…
4. Sept. 15, 2004, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., brought HJR 104, “to make eligible for the office of president a person who is not a natural born citizen of the United States but has been a United States citizen for at least 20 years.”

5. Jan. 4, 2005, Conyers, D-Mich., HJR2, the same as Rohrabacher’s.

Mr. Sun on June 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Make another comment about one of us being racist, progressive dirt.
Ban this PODD, Ed or Allah.
hawkdriver on June 23, 2012 at 12:34 PM

The site is maintained and moderated by individuals who are interested in traffic and ad dollars.

Nothing brings hits like contrived conflict.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Hot Air isn’t chipping in to the troll/moby’s compensation.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on June 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Indian work permit I’ve always been thinking about.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 12:25 PM

ALL RACIAL HATRED ALL THE TIME

John the Libertarian on June 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM

So you agree the middle class is unfairly being targeted because the republicans have fully exempted their upper 1% bosses from contributing their fair share. Good to know we can agree on that.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Uppereastside:Ya,speaking of that 1%,….Part Deux!
=====================================================

While the professional Left trashes Wall Street, they might want to consider how their current President got elected. The Sunlight Foundation reports that Barack Obama didn’t just win the Wall Street sweepstakes in 2008 over John McCain

— he’s done better at getting Wall Street cash than any other President in the last 20 years:

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/10/guess-which-president-has-raked-in-the-most-wall-street-bucks-in-a-generation/

canopfor on June 23, 2012 at 1:05 PM

I don’t recall Joe cracking a 7-11 joke about Piyush. We sure can’t say the same about the Kenyan jokes on your side of the aisle.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:01 PM

You just abdicated your right to carp about anyone else.

hawkdriver on June 23, 2012 at 1:05 PM

I don’t recall Joe cracking a 7-11 joke about Piyush. We sure can’t say the same about the Kenyan jokes on your side of the aisle.
Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:01 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIT3jUrNTX0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Rubio supports e-verify, securing the border, supports Arizona’s right to enforce SB 1070, and he’s toxic because he doesn’t want to deport every single illegal alien? Does Romney?

El_Terrible on June 23, 2012 at 12:53 PM

We’re stuck with Romney now and there’s no changing that. If you take a look at Rubio’s record in the Florida state senate, he blocked every enforcement bill. Every one of them. His actions and his words don’t match. And he did insinuate that we were racist because we wouldn’t mind illegal Canadians coming over but not hispanics. You don’t have to deport every single illegal. Enforce the laws we already have, penalize employers, take away the magnets and build a fence and they’ll self deport. People like you can’t seem to understand that concept. I’m a little tired of supporting these lawbreakers (hence the adjective illegal) that live off my tax dollars.

TxAnn56 on June 23, 2012 at 1:06 PM

I don’t recall Joe cracking a 7-11 joke about Piyush. We sure can’t say the same about the Kenyan jokes on your side of the aisle.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Then your memory isn’t so good. It wasn’t Jindal specifically, but a general race based joke about all Indian Americans.

In other words, racism.

Hillary did it too.

Brian1972 on June 23, 2012 at 1:06 PM

No, they don’t really think that. Dimwits like Uppereastside always project their racism onto the Right, because it helps them ignore their hypocrisy.
Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Trust me Yes We Do. And most level headed Americans think the same as well.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:06 PM

I agree that the Constitution doesn’t define “natural born citizen”. It may go to court, but his parents were here legally and he was born here. Unless you have something more concrete than “it’s against the Constitution”, you’ve got nothing.

AubieJon on June 23, 2012 at 12:57 PM

They were here legally, but not citizens. That was good enough for Chester Arthur to hide and destroy all of his documentation (his father was Britihs when he was born).

Yes, this does need to be resolved by a court, but at a time when our Constitution lies in tatters and we are faced with the task of not just ejecting an America-hating traitor and his junta from the WHite House but repairing the extensive damage that he has done (and our cowardly GOP has, to a great extent, allowed without so much as a peep) one would think that it would be best to not skate the edge of Constitutionality in this election – certainly not for the VP position. That people feel so strongly (if this poll and subsequent comments are to be believed) that they need one individual (who’s nice and competent and all but not America’s greatest political genius or anything even close) whose Consitutional eligibility is, at best, questionable, shows a serious misunderstanding by people of the shape America is in and what it will take to repair this nation. This attitude does not bode well for America.

But, like I said, it’s not just Jindal (who I can accept only by his politics with no problem whatsoever, if that was all there was to the Presidency and VP) but that whole list that looks totally insane.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 23, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Brian1972 on June 23, 2012 at 12:55 PM

…the guy doesn’t have a brain…just takes talking points from other blogs he visits and repeats them here.
I picture someone 4 foot 8…sitting naked on a vinyl kitchen chair with his belly hanging over three inches at the edge of the chair…typing to Hot Air women too suck something he hasn’t seen since 2008!

KOOLAID2 on June 23, 2012 at 1:07 PM

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Arnold was born in Austria/Europe. NO
Jindal was born in Louisiana. It might have to go thru a court to get a decision, but YES.
AubieJon on June 23, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Arnold was born in Austria… So?

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 1:08 PM

I don’t recall Joe cracking a 7-11 joke about Piyush. We sure can’t say the same about the Kenyan jokes on your side of the aisle.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:01 PM

You just abdicated your right to carp about anyone else.

hawkdriver on June 23, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Hawk, she sounds exactly like getalife, doesn’t she?

OmahaConservative on June 23, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:06 PM

You really don’t have much to back up your silly claims do you?

No response in any substance whatsoever.

Brian1972 on June 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

TxAnn56 on June 23, 2012 at 1:06 PM

People in Texas should never complain about tax dollars because you hardly pay one. Come to NY if you want to see tax dollars.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Trust me

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:06 PM

SHUT UP!…lowlife leech…swollow!

KOOLAID2 on June 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

canopfor on June 23, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Yup! That same one. I hear their investment in Obama isn’t paying out as well hence the switch to Sketch.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Uppereastside:So,your saying,without all the “Smart Power People”
surrounding Hopey,like resigned John Bryson,Changey
is actually a Progressive/Socialist Idiot!

canopfor on June 23, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Enforce the laws we already have, penalize employers, take away the magnets and build a fence and they’ll self deport. People like you can’t seem to understand that concept.

There’s not a single point of disagreement there, and yet still considered pro amnesty?

El_Terrible on June 23, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Trust me Yes We Do. And most level headed Americans think the same as well.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Progressives are pathetic. The real racists in this country and utterly incapable of providing even their most basic needs without a handout from the government. What is it like to be so inept at life?

hawkdriver on June 23, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Hawk, she sounds exactly like getalife, doesn’t she?

OmahaConservative on June 23, 2012 at 1:09 PM

…(dumber!)

KOOLAID2 on June 23, 2012 at 1:12 PM

People in Texas should never complain about tax dollars because you hardly pay one. Come to NY if you want to see tax dollars.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

People who pay New York taxes but still vote for progressive Democrats have no right to b!tch at anyone else, because it’s your own damn fault.

Brian1972 on June 23, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Arnold was born in Austria… So?

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Arnold was not born in the USA. I believe that is a specific requirement to serve as President, as stated by the Constitution.

AubieJon on June 23, 2012 at 1:12 PM

TxAnn56 on June 23, 2012 at 1:06 PM
People in Texas should never complain about tax dollars because you hardly pay one. Come to NY if you want to see tax dollars.
Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

NYers shouldn’t complain about economic growth, because they don’t have much. Go to Texas.

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 1:13 PM

People in Texas should never complain about tax dollars because you hardly pay one. Come to NY if you want to see tax dollars.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

And what do you get for it? Nothing. Your roads suck and your laws are oppressive. But you’ll all live to be a hundred because the State Government regulates what you eat, how you live, where you live …

Utterly incapable of making your own way.

Pathetic.

hawkdriver on June 23, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Arnold was not born in the USA. I believe that is a specific requirement to serve as President, as stated by the Constitution.

AubieJon on June 23, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Arnold was not born an American citizen. McCain was born in Panama?? was still eligible.

El_Terrible on June 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM

People in Texas should never complain about tax dollars because you hardly pay one. Come to NY if you want to see tax dollars.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

…and we suspect you see them!…(is that vinyl chair a little sweaty for you?)…SHUT UP!…lowlife…(:->)

KOOLAID2 on June 23, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Hawk, she sounds exactly like getalife, doesn’t she?

OmahaConservative on June 23, 2012 at 1:09 PM

…(dumber!)

KOOLAID2 on June 23, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Yes and yes. And an amen to all of Cano’s comments too.

Uppereastslime will be signing a different tune on November 7th. A funeral dirge.

hawkdriver on June 23, 2012 at 1:15 PM

TxAnn56 on June 23, 2012 at 1:06 PM

People in Texas should never complain about tax dollars because you hardly pay one. Come to NY if you want to see tax dollars.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Uppereastside:Too funny,yup Tax grabbers!

canopfor on June 23, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Arnold was not born in the USA. I believe that is a specific requirement to serve as President, as stated by the Constitution.
AubieJon on June 23, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Might want to point out that part of the Constitution to LawnGnomeFanFirst.

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 1:16 PM

If Scott Walker w/b chosen, btw. Mitt and Scott they’d have 3 steely ones.

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2012 at 1:18 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised if Hot Air isn’t chipping in to the troll/moby’s compensation.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on June 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Aw.

Come on — I wouldn’t even visit here, much less participate, if I entertained that notion.

There is no shortage of liberal morons who enjoy stirring the $%&*, and this site is what it is because the moderation is relatively lenient. I like the fact that the idiotic circular thinking and projection of the libs is on display from these dimwits.

They had the reins for 2 years and the WH for four, and have failed miserably. It’s driven them batsh!t crazy and they’re showing it more every day, and not just here. Their constant excuse-making, dirty-dealing and bully-ish behavior is showing itself to a wider and wider audience. It serves to strengthen rational people’s resolve to VOTE THE LEFT OUT before they shred the Constitution completely and do permanent damage to our Republic.

hillbillyjim on June 23, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Arnold was not born an American citizen. McCain was born in Panama?? was still eligible.

El_Terrible on June 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM

I was responding to someone who asked why the Govenator should not be eligible. I explained and he still wanted an answer.

AubieJon on June 23, 2012 at 1:19 PM

If Scott Walker w/b chosen, btw. Mitt and Scott they’d have 3 steely ones.

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2012 at 1:18 PM

…that’s two more than the swallowing lowlife troll has…

KOOLAID2 on June 23, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Just to note the top 3, and 4 of the top 5 chosen were “people of color”. Kinda blows that whole Obama “being afraid of people who don’t look like the other Presidents on the currency” theory out of the water.

Paul-Cincy on June 23, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Uppereastslime will be signing a different tune on November 7th. A funeral dirge.

hawkdriver on June 23, 2012 at 1:15 PM

There will be so many great moments of complete despair on Nov. 8th, just from the media on air, the fun will go on for a week watching them realise that they have failed to protect their investment.

Wisconsin x 1 trillion.

I can’t wait for that!

Brian1972 on June 23, 2012 at 1:23 PM

I picture someone 4 foot 8…sitting naked on a vinyl kitchen chair with his belly hanging over three inches at the edge of the chair…typing to Hot Air women too suck something he hasn’t seen since 2008!

KOOLAID2 on June 23, 2012 at 1:07 PM

So, you’ve seen his picture too?

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 1:23 PM

hillbillyjim on June 23, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Dammit. Wrong tab. Wrong post.

Sorry.

hillbillyjim on June 23, 2012 at 1:24 PM

So, you’ve seen his picture too?

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Heh…

OmahaConservative on June 23, 2012 at 1:26 PM

So, you’ve seen his picture too?

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 1:23 PM

…lol…but I see he clipped the hairs off of his nose!

KOOLAID2 on June 23, 2012 at 1:29 PM

hillbillyjim on June 23, 2012 at 1:24 PM

…it’s ok!…applies here too!

KOOLAID2 on June 23, 2012 at 1:31 PM

No, they don’t really think that. Dimwits like Uppereastside always project their racism onto the Right, because it helps them ignore their hypocrisy.

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Indeed. This year if you answer these questions:

1. Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?

2. Do you wish some semblance of decency left for the USA?

…with NO and YES, you will be called a “racist”.

Let it be water down the back of a duck, if you are not a racist.

The truth is that they are the true racists for expecting so little of the first black president, Bill Clinton notwithstanding.

MLK cries in his grave.

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Unfortunately, neither Jindal or Rubio are NBC’s, therefore are ineligible to be POTUS or VPOTUS. Our current POTUS is an usurper and ineligible since he is not a NBC due to his father’s citizenship when Jr. was born.

soghornetgunner on June 23, 2012 at 1:33 PM

canopfor on June 23, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Salt of the Earth, I tell ya. /sarc

Brian1972 on June 23, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Brian1972:Exactly so,I think,Team Dopey/Ragey,spent 1 BILLION
dollars,in 2008!:)

canopfor on June 23, 2012 at 1:34 PM

hillbillyjim on June 23, 2012 at 1:24 PM

…it’s ok!…applies here too!

KOOLAID2 on June 23, 2012 at 1:31 PM

hbj, it applies on every thread. They are the most brainless of all the creatures in the world, lowest form of life possible.

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2012 at 1:35 PM

So here are the options for you being declared a “Natural Born Citizen”:
1. Both parents American Citizens from birth. You are born on American soil.
2. One parent an American citizen from birth. You born on American soil.
3. Both parents American by birth. You born on foreign soil.
4. One parent American by birth. You born on foreign soil.
5. Both parents naturalized American citizens. You born on American soil.
6. Both parents not American citizens. You born on American soil.

Why is it only the first one that counts with those who think Jindal and Rubio are ineligible if the Constitution does not define “natural born citizen”?

IdrilofGondolin on June 23, 2012 at 1:40 PM

IdrilofGondolin on June 23, 2012 at 1:40 PM

When you write stupid stuff like “parent American Citizen from/by birth” it shows that you have no idea what you’re talking about and should just STFU. The issue with parents’ American citizenship is whether they are American Citizens at the time of YOUR birth, numbnuts, no matter how they got their citizenship.

Get a friggin brain. Some of you people are just beyond stupid and proud to display it.

Jindal’s parents were NOT AMERICAN citizens at the time of Bobby Jindal’s birth. Understand that? Yes, it’s a complicated notion. Sit with it a while, genius.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Mitt has a lot of very good options to choose from. While I have my faves, I don’t think that he good wrong (in no particular order) with Jindal, Pawlenty, Chrisite, Ryan, Rubio, McDonnell and maybe even one or two others.

The question really is, who do we want to succeed Mitt as POTUS in 2020?

MJBrutus on June 23, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Let’s put the Jindal vs. Palin debate to rest:

Palin:

Two terms on Wasilla City Council

Two terms as Wasilla Mayor

2 1/2 years as Governor of Alaska

Jindal:

2 years as Secretary of Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals

Served as Executive Director of the National Bipartisan Commission on the Future of Medicare

3 years as Head of the Louisiana University System

2 years as the Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services for Planning and Evaluation under Bush

2 terms as a US Congressman from Louisiana’s 1st district

2 terms as Governor of Louisiana

He has more political experience, and he has more policy experience. Whether he is better than Palin to serve as VP or President (I think he is btw) is a reasonable debate to have, but it is silly to argue that he has less relevant experience.

Bluray on June 23, 2012 at 1:49 PM

I see many posters are confused as to why Rubio and Jindal do not meet the historical Supreme Court definition of Natural Born Citizen. Here is the source:

Minor vs Happersatt

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0088_0162_ZO.html

WAITE, C.J., Opinion of the Court
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
88 U.S. 162
Minor v. Happersett
Argued: February 9, 1875 — Decided: March 29, 1875

“At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”

Note, the parents do not have to be natural born citizens. They just need to be minimally naturalized US citizens at the time of the child’s birth.

I know many conservative voters who will not vote for Romney if he picks someone who does not meet the NBC requirement. Allen West is super, it is not an issue of race. He meets the requirement. It is a matter of honoring the Constitution. If Romney spits on the Constitution in his VP pick, where is the trust he won’t repeatedly spit on it.

I predict Romney will lose if he picks either Jindal or Rubio for that reason.

If either Jindal or Rubio were real patriots, they’d hold a press conference and explain why they are not eligible for the VP position and that would educate a lot more people as to the fact that Obama is not eligible either. It makes no difference if Obama’s real long form birth certificate showed him to be born in the White House with 1,000 witnesses all alive and testifying. His father was not a US citizen at the time of Obama’s birth. So many on the right have been wasting their time about where Obama was born. The argument was always 100% sufficient to be argued accepting Obama’s words as prove that he is not eligible, Obama has always admitted his Dad was not a US citizen at Obama’s birth.

Next week we’ll see what the court rules in Florida on this situation.
I’m not holding my breath. It may be the case Obama gets away with his constitutional violation. Media entities like Hot Air and Fox News are part of the reason though, they do not support the US Constitution except on a pick and choose basis.

marti124 on June 23, 2012 at 1:50 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM

The 14th Amendment:

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Jindal and Rubio were BORN in the US and subject to the jurisdiction of the US at the time of their birth. End of story.

MJBrutus on June 23, 2012 at 1:51 PM

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Jindal and Rubio were BORN in the US and subject to the jurisdiction of the US at the time of their birth. End of story.
MJBrutus on June 23, 2012 at 1:51 PM

So citing the 14th Ammendment makes Arnold Schwarzenegger eligible to be preezy?

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Both Jindahl or Rubio or West are less experienced then Palin was, Obama was. We’re talking Rookie to the nth degree. What are we thinking? The common thread of the three leaders, they’re not white, this isn’t chance. Come on people, look beyond race.

anotherJoe on June 23, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Hey Joe, where you goin’ with that dumb in your hand?

Capitalist Hog on June 23, 2012 at 1:59 PM

How can you possibly compare The Quitter to Governor Jindal? Either you’re lying because you’re a Palin sycophant or you can’t read.

Jindal is less experienced than Obama, WTF? That is surely the dumbest thing I will read this epoch.

You are struggling to make the point that identity politics is a defining-factor in veep selection. You failed miserably.

What did you think of Cain or West? I’d love to hear your phony detractions directed at them. I’m up for a laugh.

Capitalist Hog on June 23, 2012 at 2:00 PM

So citing the 14th Ammendment makes Arnold Schwarzenegger eligible to be preezy?

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 1:58 PM

What a stupid question! You do know that Arnold was not born in the US, right? So how can you suppose that he is a natural?

Jindal and Rubio were BORN in the US and subject to our jurisdiction. They are natural born citizens of this country. As is Obama, BTW.

MJBrutus on June 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Jindal and Rubio were BORN in the US and subject to the jurisdiction of the US at the time of their birth. End of story.

MJBrutus on June 23, 2012 at 1:51 PM

That doesn’t define “natural born citizen” so stop, already.

BTW, from what you posted as your “proof”, do you think that the children of foreign diplomats born in America are natural born Americans and eligible to our Presidency? If not, why not?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Jindal is fine with me, and I like his work on education ~

but I also want the next President and Vice President to have NO documentation/citizenship problems. That is an argument we can’t afford. I want publicly-available, authentic, certified birth certificates and baby pictures of the P/V-P, (emerging from the womb, right next to a famous USA landmark, if possible). Failing that, then photos of them both, being hatched in a respectable, mainland American hospital ~ the offspring of two legal American parents with authentic documentation. No funny stuff.

And, Republican Candidates, remember this: should you be elected to the greatest Office in the Greatest Country in the World, respect it. We’ll be watching you! If we catch you behaving like the squalid, contemptible Obama Regime, we’ll pitch you out, ourselves!

TheClearRiver on June 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Yes, dear Primordial. And that’s why I didn’t mention it. I assume Hot Air posters are intelligent enough not only to be civil to one another but to know that the parents’ status at YOUR birth is one of the things that count. But what I was also asking was whether the place of birth also counts. Is one a natural born citizen if one is born on American soil regardless of one’s parents’ citizenship? Where does the Constitution speak directly to that question? Anyone know the answer to that?

IdrilofGondolin on June 23, 2012 at 2:05 PM

What a stupid question! You do know that Arnold was not born in the US, right? So how can you suppose that he is a natural?
Jindal and Rubio were BORN in the US and subject to our jurisdiction. They are natural born citizens of this country. As is Obama, BTW.
MJBrutus on June 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Ummmmmmm

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Jindal and Rubio were BORN in the US and subject to the jurisdiction of the US at the time of their birth. End of story.
MJBrutus on June 23, 2012 at 1:51 PM

He was naturalized, no? What you quoted says nothing about being a natural born citizen. It does say something about being a citizen. So, off of what you cited, Rubio is no more a natural born citizen than Schwarzenegger.

MeatHeadinCA on June 23, 2012 at 2:07 PM

I don’t get this thing with lefties where they insist on calling Jindal “Piyush” and referring to Michelle Malkin by her maiden name. I see this universally on lefty sites, and it’s really creepy and weird. It’s as if they think Malkin and Jindal chosen/married names are illegitimate because of their race. They are not entitled to those names because of their skin color, according to a majority of commenters from the left, including this idiot uppereastside.

juliesa on June 23, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Brian1972 on June 23, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Brian1972 on June 23, 2012 at 12:34 PM

AubieJon on June 23, 2012 at 12:35 PM

et. al.

My primary policy difference with Jindal is a Louisiana law he pushed trying to limit/ban cash transactions so that money could be tracked better by the state revenue department.

He is undoubtedly an American citizen being born here.

Jindal was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, to Amar and Raj Jindal, who came to the United States as immigrants from Punjab, India, six months before he was born.

But as much as the media and the Democrats have tried to hide it, the United States Supreme Court HAS specifically defined what a “Natural Born Citizen” [Constitutional requirement for a President] is. Here is the decision:

MINOR -v- HAPPERSETT, 88 U.S. 162 (1874) 88 U.S. 162 (Wall.).

full text [ it's only 7 pages] here:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=88&invol=162

This 1874 case turned on defining what a citizen was, and the Court went into detail defining all classes of citizenship in order to declare that women were in fact full US citizens. It was a 9-0 decision and is not going to be overturned.

Short form: BOTH parents must be US citizens, and the person must be born on US territory. Jindal’s parents were legal immigrants when he was born, but not US citizens. He is a US citizen, but not a “Natural Born” US citizen according to the Supreme Court.

This is something that the Enemy does not want you to think about, because even if the bogus birth certificate claimed by Obama is real, his father never was anything but a citizen of Kenya and never even tried to become a US citizen.

This is one of the issues at point in the current case in Leon County, Florida; VOELTZ -v- OBAMA. The Judge refused to quash the case as requested by Obama’s lawyers, and the next batch of motions is due Monday. The MINOR -v- HAPPERSETT case has already been introduced as evidence.

I have absolutely nothing against Jindal racially. Hell, I’m Chinese-German and adopted into a Highland Clan by marriage. But we are fighting to restore the Constitution, and it does not help if we muddy the waters by breaking the Constitution in the same way its Enemies do.

That said, this survey reflects what we want. We are far more conservative than the Institutional Republicans. Romney is an Institutional.

1) He will pick a white.
2) He will pick a male.
3) He will NOT pick a Conservative, and we will be lucky if he does not pick someone who actively hates us.
4) He will NOT pick someone who is a fighter, or who may outshine him.

I will vote for him to get the Democrat Enemies of the Constitution out of office. I expect to be betrayed by him and the Institutionals, and hope for a TEA Party to come into formal existence by 2014-2016.

All of the above is contingent on there being fair, free, and honestly counted elections in November. That is not a sure bet.

Subotai Bahadur on June 23, 2012 at 2:10 PM

That doesn’t define “natural born citizen” so stop, already.

BTW, from what you posted as your “proof”, do you think that the children of foreign diplomats born in America are natural born Americans and eligible to our Presidency? If not, why not?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Yes it does define it. Where would you look for a definition, if not the Constitution itself? Please tell me, oh scholarly one, where else is one to look find the definition of a natural born citizen?

And no, the children of foreign diplomats are not subject to our jurisdiction at the time of their birth.

MJBrutus on June 23, 2012 at 2:12 PM

So, you’ve seen his picture too?

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Oh sure, to think you got on to me about the Pelosi photo. LOL! ; )

Bmore on June 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM

MJ makes a very good observation. The 14th clearly recognizes two types of citizenship; naturalized citizens and citizens (NBCs). It does not mention a third type of citizenship.

El_Terrible on June 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Subotai Bahadur on June 23, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Careful there now, you’ll have them shouting Birther at you. ; )

Bmore on June 23, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Subotai Bahadur on June 23, 2012 at 2:10 PM

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, not the Supreme Court. The SC can and has been wrong. The Constitution does not recognize a “3rd citizenship” class.

El_Terrible on June 23, 2012 at 2:16 PM

MJBrutus, the 14th Amendment does not redefine or expand what “natural born citizen” means. A person can be a citizen of the US without being a “natural born citizen”. McCain is an example of that. McCain is not a natural born citizen, he was made a US citizen years after birth via a legislative change in the citizenship laws. We got into this mess in the first place because McCain did not want to push the issue of NBC because he himself never met the requirements. A “natural born citizen” is a citizen recognized among the common laws of nations and by nature that precedes the US Constitutions, US Laws, and US Amendments. The founding fathers wanted the President to meet this highest requirement (except for those US Citizens living at the time of the Constitution, which exempted the first many presidents from this requirement).

Article 2, Section 1 of the US Constitution reads, verbatim: “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

Why do you think the clause “or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,” exists in the Constitution? It is the only allowed exception to the rule. Had Jindal or Rubio been a US Citizen alive at the time of the Constitution, they’d have met this exception. But we all can agree that they were not alive then.

marti124 on June 23, 2012 at 2:17 PM

He has more political experience, and he has more policy experience. Whether he is better than Palin to serve as VP or President (I think he is btw) is a reasonable debate to have, but it is silly to argue that he has less relevant experience.

Bluray on June 23, 2012 at 1:49 PM

I don’t want to get into a Palin vs. Jindal debate because I think they both have the experience to be VP.

With that said, there’s a bit more to Palin’s resume than just

Two terms on Wasilla City Council

Two terms as Wasilla Mayor

2 1/2 years as Governor of Alaska

Such as:

Board member of the Alaska Municipal League and President of the Alaska Conference of Mayors.

Served as Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission from 2003 to 2004.

Director of Excellence in Public Service, a 527 group, from 2003 to 2005.

Served as Chair of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission from 2007 to 2008.

Served as chair or vice-chair of various committees within the National Governors’ Association and the Republican Governors’ Association.

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Under these rules for NBCs, Obama would not be eligible right? I’m sure people have filed lawsuits in courts to address the issue. How have those gone?

El_Terrible on June 23, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Yes it does define it.

Your competency in English is questionable, to put it mildly.

Where would you look for a definition, if not the Constitution itself? Please tell me, oh scholarly one, where else is one to look find the definition of a natural born citizen?

In the same place as the definition of “year”. Why do islamic years not count as “year”?

And no, the children of foreign diplomats are not subject to our jurisdiction at the time of their birth.

MJBrutus on June 23, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Why not? They’re BORN in America. What do they lack? BTW, our State Dept has been issuing American citizenships to the children of foreign diplomats born here. You know that, right?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 23, 2012 at 2:19 PM

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, not the Supreme Court. The SC can and has been wrong. The Constitution does not recognize a “3rd citizenship” class.

El_Terrible on June 23, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Dual citizenship is a third class. It did not exist at the time of the writing of the Constitution and the class of dual citizens is not included in the class of “natural born citizens”.

We STILL force people to renounce all other citizenships before being naturalized as AMericans … even though no one enforces this clear law and part of the oath naturalizing Americans have to take.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 23, 2012 at 2:21 PM

I like Jindal and would support a Romney/Jindal ticket. My concern if I’m Jindal is having to defend Romney’s horrendous record. I think that one of Palin’s major problems in 2008 was having to defend McCain’s record and policy, much of which she didn’t agree with. If Jindal comes on board, I hope he has a plan to deal with that better than Palin did.

besser tot als rot on June 23, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Oh sure, to think you got on to me about the Pelosi photo. LOL! ; )

Bmore on June 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Told ya I’d pay you back for that. :-)

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 2:22 PM

yeaah, Pawlenty topping in at 6

GW_SS-Delta on June 23, 2012 at 2:22 PM

People in Texas should never complain about tax dollars because you hardly pay one. Come to NY if you want to see tax dollars.

Uppereastside on June 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

You may not realize this, but people in Texas pay federal income tax. And since you probably don’t own property in the upper east side, you probably have never heard of property taxes. Ours are sky high so we can pay for bilingual teachers and free breakfast and lunch for illegal aliens.

TxAnn56 on June 23, 2012 at 2:35 PM

El_Terrible, the cases in court have never gotten to the stage where “the merits of the case” have been heard and have been dismissed on “standing” technicalities. The case currently being held in Florida holds some promise. The failure of the GOP establishment and the current GOP majority in the House of Representatives to push this issue is the reason Obama is the candidate we’re running against. They’d have standing to push this in the courts and to get the courts to hear the issue on its merits. It is because the conservative media picks and chooses what parts of the Constitution it supports is because this issue is not being given the attention it deserves. I can understand Fox being traitorous on this issue, it has TV licenses it wants to keep. What is Hot Air’s editor’s reasons? Best I can tell is that they are intimidated by the dominant MSM/Left’s definition of what can politically be discussed. Breitbart, while he was alive admitted, this issue is not politically correct and he’d prefer to win the argument within the constraint of politically correct topics one can argue on. Personally I think the GOP continues to lose time and time again because they’re wimps or intellectually weak and won’t stand up on the fundamental historical principals that count. For instance, all the GOP politicians who are talking about a conservative Obamacare replacement fail to understand these historical principals. Healthcare is not a federal issue and should never be one. It is one the founding fathers left to the individual states. The Federal Government was designed to be forever a small role in our lives, like it was prior to 1913 when the IRS was invented (with the exception of war time, like the Civil War). If we had a true conservative party, most of them would be like Ron Paul. If we had a true conservative party, our taxes would be higher at the state’s level than the federal level. We’re losing the battle because the left keeps causing the right to meet them half way and over time it makes the right so incredibly to the left, it’s caused neither party the ability to balance the budget. How many politicians do you think could cause the budget to be balanced in 4 years? I can think of two: Ron and Rand Paul. Not even Paul Ryan could do the job.

marti124 on June 23, 2012 at 2:36 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 23, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Talk about reading comprehension. What part of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” applies to foreigners who have diplomatic immunity from our laws?

And nice try there, trying to evade the question about where you came up with your very own definition of natural born citizenship. Prior to the ratification of the 14th you may have had a point. Subsequently, you are just another chump without a clue.

MJBrutus on June 23, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Told ya I’d pay you back for that. :-)

Flora Duh on June 23, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Yes you did. ; ) Even?

Bmore on June 23, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Why do you think the clause “or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,” exists in the Constitution? It is the only allowed exception to the rule. Had Jindal or Rubio been a US Citizen alive at the time of the Constitution, they’d have met this exception. But we all can agree that they were not alive then.

marti124 on June 23, 2012 at 2:17 PM

The 14th Amendment was ratified well over a century after the Constitution and well over a century ago. So prior to the 14th it would have been a viable subject of debate. Since then, it is inarguable.

And McCain was born on US territory. An American military establishment is considered such. For that matter, so is a US Aircraft carrier at sea. When born, he was subject to the jurisdiction of the US.

MJBrutus on June 23, 2012 at 2:48 PM

MJBrutus, no where in the 14th Amendment is the phrase “Natural born citizen”. The world “Natural” is not in the amendment at all. You fail to understand the legal history of the term, “Natural born citizen”. It is a historically very well understood concept that predates the US Constitution and any of its amendments. The only thing we have in US history about “Natural born citizen” is in some Supreme Court rulings references to it where the historical definition has been reaffirmed. The historical definition of “Natural born citizen” has never been expanded upon or redefined, only reaffirmed.

See http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am14
and you’ll see the above observation is 100% true.

marti124 on June 23, 2012 at 2:52 PM

People, Primordial and others have been bouncing around the conservative websites begging…begging for attention with their NBC crap.

Do ya think, for just one minute, that if their lame claim had any validity among Constitutional scholars, that we wouldn’t have known that 4 years ago and kept Bammy out of our WH?

Seriously?

If Bill and Hillary werent moved to act on such “obvious” law then who would?

Trust me, it’s all an attention getting device.

Waaaa Waaaa look at ME. Pay attention to ME!

Nana on June 23, 2012 at 2:56 PM

marti124 on June 23, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Let’s suppose for discussion (and I do not cede the point) that the 14th doesn’t put the matter to rest. You say yourself that there are no other places to look, aside from some SCOTUS rulings which you haven’t cited, to find a definition. So why should any of us place more weight on your opinion of the term than our own opinion?

MJBrutus on June 23, 2012 at 2:57 PM

OMG!!!!

That explains everything. Primordial is a Paulbot!

I thought he was one of those fake “concern” trolls.

Rubio attracts a lot of those too because they just cant get over a Conservative, rising star who is Hispanic!

Nana on June 23, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Talk about reading comprehension. What part of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” applies to foreigners who have diplomatic immunity from our laws?

MJBrutus on June 23, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Legal aliens are immune from our treason laws, to mention one class. You can’t be a traitor if you’re not a citizen, even if you’re legally here. That shows a lack of full jurisdiction over them. We also respect the jurisdiction that aliens’ home nations have over them, though in restricted fashion.

Get back to me on where you found the definition of “year”, because it’s used throughout the Constitution, including in the eligibility requirements for Pres/VP. When a muslim claims his age to be 35 as measured in islamic years how are you going to argue with that? Where’s the definition of a “year” in the Constitution? Hint: it was known to mean a Christian year the same way that natural born citizen was known to mean an American born on our soil and nothing but an American and to remain that way through his life.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 23, 2012 at 3:04 PM

That explains everything. Primordial is a Paulbot!

Nana on June 23, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Hardly. Get a brain.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 23, 2012 at 3:04 PM

McCain was not born in a military base hospital but in hospital in Panama City. The law that was past making McCain and all other such babies citizens was done within a 10 year window after his birth. He is an example of a US Citizen accomplished by a legislation change to citizenship rules. He is not an example of a US Citizen via Natural Born Citizenship.

It’s true the US Congress passed a resolution declaring McCain to be a natural born citizen but if the US Congress passed a resolution stating that 2 + 2 = 5 does that make the answer a natural born answer to the question what is 2 + 2? The US Congress does not have the standing in constitutional interpretation that the Supreme Court has. The Supreme Court has not ruled on McCain’s situation and all the other babies born to US Citizens outside of the USA prior to the law that was passed in the 1950s as to whether or not he and others likewise meet the Natural Born Citizenship clause.

Had McCain pushed the issue during his campaign, he’d have had standing to be heard in court. Obama’s defense team could have argued then that McCain’s situation itself is in doubt and we might have had a Supreme Court ruling on this situation.

What surprised me in 2008 is why Hillary never pushed the issue herself, she’d have had standing in court. But it’s been learned since then (reported on elsewhere by a member of the Clinton campaign) that they were threatened convincingly not to raise the issue.

Contrary to what one poster said, there are three classes of US Citizenship.

(1) Natural Born Citizenship;

(2) Legislative defined citizenship other than naturalization after immigration — McCain is an example of such; another is if the Congress passes (or has already in the past, passed) a law that says that babies born on US soil of illegal aliens are a US citizen would be; and the best example of (2) is those added citizens of the USA other than those who are Natural Born Citizens due to the 14th amendment are in this realm; and

(3) Immigrated citizens who become naturalized citizens.

marti124 on June 23, 2012 at 3:06 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 23, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Aliens cannot be tried with treason, but they can be tried as enemies of the country for the same actions. Those aliens are not citizens, but their children are. And their offspring, if capable of treasonous acts at the time of their birth, could be tried for treason.

And your stupid “year” argument is too lame to bother with. We are talking about defining the term natural born citizen in our Constitution.

MJBrutus on June 23, 2012 at 3:08 PM

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