EPA fines oil refiners for failing to use nonexistent biofuel

posted at 8:41 pm on June 22, 2012 by Howard Portnoy

Question: Do you fill your car’s tank with gasoline that is part cellulosic ethanol, an environment-friendly distillate of wood chips, corn cobs, and switch grass? Let me answer for you: No, you don’t. You couldn’t if you wanted to. Petroleum products blended with cellulosic ethanol aren’t commercially available, because the technology for mass-producing cellulosic ethanol hasn’t been perfected. None of which has stopped the Environmental Protection Agency  from imposing hefty yearly fines on oil refiners. According to the The New York Times, in 2011 automotive fuel producers were assessed $6.8 million in penalties. That amount is expected to climb dramatically this year. Guess who ends up footing the bill for the difference?

This has got to be the ultimate example of government bureaucracy gone mad. How did it happen? Blame can be divided over the last two administrations. In his 2006 State of the Union Address, George W. Bush promised to “fund additional research in cutting-edge methods of producing ethanol, not just from corn, but from wood chips and stalks or switch grass.” The following year, Bush signed into law the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 (EISA), which mandates that oil refiners begin blending cellulosic ethanol into their gasoline and diesel products.

The “advanced biofuel contribution” under the law was to begin in 2009 at 0.6 billion gallons of cellulosic biomass and rise incrementally, first to 1.35 billion gallons in 2011, then to 2 billion gallons in 2012, and so on. By 2022, 21 billion gallons of fuel pumped into the nation’s cars and trucks was to be cellulosic ethanol.

The law further stipulated that if refiners failed to comply with the EPA mandate, they would pay a penalty.

The only problem with this arrangement was that the grant recipients responsible for coming up with Bush’s “cutting-edge methods of producing ethanol … from wood chips and stalks or switch grass” instead came up empty. In a 2011 report, the National Academy of Sciences concluded that “currently, no commercially viable bio-refineries exist for converting cellulosic biomass to fuel.” The report also noted that the renewable fuel standard “may be an ineffective policy for reducing global greenhouse gas emissions,” since the full life cycle of the fuel, including its transport, could lead to higher emissions than conventional petroleum.

Undaunted, the Obama administration has forged blindly ahead, continuing the elusive search for a technology that will produce cellulosic biomass—at taxpayers’ expense. Since thanks to the EPA mandate we are already paying more at the pump, the American people are truly getting nothing for something.

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Un freakin; believable…

OmahaConservative on June 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Go To Court.

pat on June 22, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Next the EPA will fine refineries for not complying with EPA mandate 133454.4-A….
Blending gasoline with unicorn farts…

Electrongod on June 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Un freakin; believable…

OmahaConservative on June 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM

I wish this was unbelievable, sadly it’s not, it’s become so common placed to see stuff like this that the average America doesn’t even notice it anymore. This is what happens when Marxists take over your country. 90 years of Marxist theory taught in colleges, high schools and elementary schools have given us this. Joesph McCarthy was 100 percent right, yet still even most conservatives believe he was a monster, that’s how well Marxist indoctrination works.

SWalker on June 22, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Next the EPA will fine refineries for not complying with EPA mandate 133454.4-A….
Blending gasoline with unicorn farts…

Electrongod on June 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Helloieeee, they’re already doing that, what do you think cellulosic biomass is?

SWalker on June 22, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Straight out of an Ayn Rand novel. The government aparachicks screaming at the businessmen: “All you have to do is invent a magical device that makes all my crazy plans work. How hard could that possibly be?”

The fines are only the beginning. The next step is imprisonment for the “crime” of not creating enough to please politicians. And, when that never works, the killings continue until innovation is at acceptable levels.

logis on June 22, 2012 at 8:54 PM

EPA needs to be abolished. And replaced with an agency that, you know, protects the environment.

besser tot als rot on June 22, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Their next step could very well be prohibiting use of any motor fuel not fitting this specification. Meaning, as long as they can keep “researching” it, but never actually developing it to a production level…

No fuel. Period.

That’ll fix the Greedy Oil Companies (TM) and all those Global Warming Deniers (TM, too).

Naturally, there will be waivers for all Truly Good, Sensitive, and Caring People- with “D” next to their name on the DNC’s list of big donors.

If you think this is paranoia, under Clinton, the Commerce Department, working with BATF (as it was then, under Treasury), tried to ban sales of any firearms not using “smart gun” ID technology- when the technology didn’t even exist.

Progressive elitist-statists are always on the lookout for new whips for the backs of us peasants. Remember that.

clear ether

eon

eon on June 22, 2012 at 8:56 PM

The EPA is simply doing what it was intended to do all along:

Disable the United States.

listens2glenn on June 22, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Put the fine money in escrow.

Call your lawyer, then call a press conference.

Wander on June 22, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Okay … okay. Enough of this crap. The EPA has been thoroughly corrupted — under Obama most particularly, but Willie and George are to blame as well. “Environmental Protection Agency” — sounds swell, right? — except when the agency mutates into a radical, pseudo-science-based, bureaucracy that develops a self-serving interest (as in increased EPA funding and academic research grants) that has little to do with the needs and concerns of the TAXPAYERS who floats the BILL for all this.

The EPA and its academic dependents have a vested interest in LOOKING for problems. Problems that require taxpayer investment in expanding: a) EPA payrolls (for more experts); and b) more grants to universities for studying, uh, things of terrible importance.

minnesoter on June 22, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Um…no.

I don’t fill my engines with gas with ethanol from ANY source. It kills the fuel lines and cylinders.

For it to be from any kind of food stuff or biomass (same thing really) is , as the UN puts it, a crime against humanity.

WryTrvllr on June 22, 2012 at 9:01 PM

The EPA is simply doing what it was intended to do all along:

Disable the United States.

listens2glenn on June 22, 2012 at 8:57 PM

…it’s become a mandate!

KOOLAID2 on June 22, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Next the EPA will fine refineries for not complying with EPA mandate 133454.4-A….
Blending gasoline with unicorn farts

Electrongod on June 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Dang it, beat me to it, first thing that popped into my mind.

So why doesn’t the refining industry sue the EPA to get relief from this fantasy? It’s not like the EPA isn’t already doing everything they can to bludgeon the fossil fuels industry in general.

And this is nothing new, been going on for years. May as well demand that electricity be generated with no emissions of any kind, not use anything radioactive, and not kill any birds or displace any animals from their habitat or prevent fish from swimming upstream. In other words, back to the dark ages, only no burning wood.

iurockhead on June 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Helloieeee, they’re already doing that, what do you think cellulosic biomass is?

SWalker on June 22, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Vaporware…

Electrongod on June 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Um…no.

I don’t fill my engines with gas with ethanol from ANY source. It kills the fuel lines and cylinders.

For it to be from any kind of food stuff or biomass (same thing really) is , as the UN puts it, a crime against humanity.

WryTrvllr on June 22, 2012 at 9:01 PM

I would too, if I could find gas with no ethanol. Even out here in West Texas, all the stations have the “may contain up to 10% ethanol” stickers on the pumps. Every stinking one of them.

iurockhead on June 22, 2012 at 9:05 PM

I would too, if I could find gas with no ethanol. Even out here in West Texas, all the stations have the “may contain up to 10% ethanol” stickers on the pumps. Every stinking one of them.

iurockhead on June 22, 2012 at 9:05 PM | Delete

Sorry, but at least you get to use your boat, etc, all year long…

WryTrvllr on June 22, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Hey Ding Dong Bark Barkety Bark-Bark, now you can blame Bush!

ExpressoBold on June 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Straight out of an Ayn Rand novel. The government aparachicks screaming at the businessmen: “All you have to do is invent a magical device that makes all my crazy plans work. How hard could that possibly be?”

Sounds like the ridiculous new CAFE standards. Tiny clown cars for all!

slickwillie2001 on June 22, 2012 at 9:12 PM

The EPA is simply doing what it was intended to do all along:

Disable the United States.

listens2glenn on June 22, 2012 at 8:57 PM

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…it’s become a mandate!

KOOLAID2 on June 22, 2012 at 9:01 PM

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I think it’s always been a mandate from day one, but with the ability to share information today like we do, more people are becoming aware of it.

listens2glenn on June 22, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Question: Do you fill your car’s tank with gasoline that is part cellulosic ethanol, an environment-friendly distillate of wood chips, corn cobs, and switch grass? Let me answer for you: No, you don’t.

Honestly…where do you come up with this cr@p???

WryTrvllr on June 22, 2012 at 9:13 PM

I think it’s always been a mandate from day one, but with the ability to share information today like we do, more people are becoming aware of it.

listens2glenn on June 22, 2012 at 9:12 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Read the recent WSJ article on attempt to ban conent on the WEB. Scary.

WryTrvllr on June 22, 2012 at 9:14 PM

I would too, if I could find gas with no ethanol. Even out here in West Texas, all the stations have the “may contain up to 10% ethanol” stickers on the pumps. Every stinking one of them.

iurockhead on June 22, 2012 at 9:05 PM

You tend to need to go outside of the big metro counties run by democratics. Look here: pure-gas.org

slickwillie2001 on June 22, 2012 at 9:14 PM

The really frustrating part of this ethanol debacle is that it was originally added to gas as an oxygenate, to reduce nasty emissions.

Modern engines do not need an oxygenate, with catalytic converters and all that. But it morphed into “energy independence.” So now we use more energy to make a gallon of ethanol than we get out of a gallon of ethanol, and drive up food prices in the process, with 40% of the US corn crop going into making the worthless shiite (worthless unless properly aged, perhaps blended, and served with a few ice cubes). Which drives up food prices worldwide, mostly hurting the genuinely poor all over the world.

Stupid bastiges.

iurockhead on June 22, 2012 at 9:15 PM

EPA needs to be abolished. And replaced with an agency that, you know, protects the environment.

besser tot als rot on June 22, 2012 at 8:55 PM

You could have stopped right there. Environment doesn’t need protecting. It’ll take care of itself.

Oldnuke on June 22, 2012 at 9:18 PM

You tend to need to go outside of the big metro counties run by democratics. Look here: pure-gas.org

slickwillie2001 on June 22, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Thanks, great tip. However here in Midlan, TX, there is one station listed, Dave’s Auto, that is way out of the way, and doesn’t sound like a gas station. I will use that website to plan out gas stops on my next trip out of town, though. Thanks again….

iurockhead on June 22, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Send the payment in the form of a box full of invisible money!

wildcat72 on June 22, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Midlan=Midland

iurockhead on June 22, 2012 at 9:20 PM

The gubment did the mandate. They pumped 300 million onto a plant in Georgia that never produced before shutting down..Now they have 45 million pumped into another in in Kansas with foreign company abengoa. It is to run on corn stover. It will need more green dollars to open and produce. It will lose money.

seven on June 22, 2012 at 9:21 PM

You could have stopped right there. Environment doesn’t need protecting. It’ll take care of itself.

Oldnuke on June 22, 2012 at 9:18 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

You know, way back when, I used to be an avid conservationist. Until I bought a farm, and had to maintain fields and a driveway. whoa..

WryTrvllr on June 22, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Oldnuke on June 22, 2012 at 9:18 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

You know, way back when, I used to be an avid conservationist. Until I bought a farm, and had to maintain fields and a driveway. whoa..

WryTrvllr on June 22, 2012 at 9:22 PM

? What’s up with that Delete Delete and Ban thing?

Oldnuke on June 22, 2012 at 9:36 PM

????????

WryTrvllr on June 22, 2012 at 9:42 PM

? What’s up with that Delete Delete and Ban thing?

Oldnuke on June 22, 2012 at 9:36 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Wow, That wasn’t you?????

WryTrvllr on June 22, 2012 at 9:46 PM

When we get total control of Congress defunding some of these power people will be first choice. The EPA is really getting out of hand.

mixplix on June 22, 2012 at 9:47 PM

A perfect example of why smart people demand Government stay small. It has always been the case that the bigger Government gets the bigger their idiotic meddling gets, the greater the corruption the greater the resulting catastrophes, and the greater the people get screwed by their Governments. Note to Carl Rove: Putting alcohol in gasoline is possibly the dumbest idea ever. The biggest SCAM ever is the AGW CO2 BS. Both are destroying the American economy and America’s Constitutional Republic along with it. Way to go politicians–corrupt to the hairs on your evil infested heads.

aposematic on June 22, 2012 at 9:55 PM

5% of all commuters in each state must ride unicorns to work or that state will be fined $1,000,000 a day in penalties until they reach this basic goal number.

The non-existence of unicorns will not be considered a valid argument against compliance.

profitsbeard on June 22, 2012 at 9:57 PM

besser tot als rot on June 22, 2012 at 8:55 PM

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You could have stopped right there. Environment doesn’t need protecting. It’ll take care of itself.

Oldnuke on June 22, 2012 at 9:18 PM

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I can’t quite agree with you on that, Oldnuke.

I believe there should be some kind of environmental laws as pertains to water and air pollution by industry. But it should be at the State & County levels, and NOT the Federal.

listens2glenn on June 22, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Wow, That wasn’t you?????

WryTrvllr on June 22, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Nah, I didn’t do it. I’ve seen it in one other post, not mine. Still not sure what causes it.

Oldnuke on June 22, 2012 at 9:59 PM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303822204577470532859210296.html

There it is. [Crovitz: The U.N.'s Internet Power Grab ]

WryTrvllr on June 22, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Bad stuff. On the other hand, I already have as many blocks as I can discover of China, Pockeestan, Korea, Brazil and a number of others black-holed on my mail server to keep the spam down to tolerable levels…

bofh on June 22, 2012 at 9:59 PM

We have to get rid of the F’n Government!

Delsa on June 22, 2012 at 10:08 PM

I can’t quite agree with you on that, Oldnuke.

I believe there should be some kind of environmental laws as pertains to water and air pollution by industry. But it should be at the State & County levels, and NOT the Federal.

listens2glenn on June 22, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Didn’t really mean that we shouldn’t enact some responsible laws against pollution. What I mean is that there is no need for a massive government bureaucracy dedicated (supposedly) to protecting something that doesn’t need it. The environment is not nearly as fragile as some would have us believe. I think that’s pretty much what you said too. You would not believe the amount of useless bureaucratic paperwork and red tape that ensued when some crane developed a hydraulic leak and piddled a pint of oil out onto the ground at a nuclear power plant. It involved at least three federal and three or four state agencies. If one drop of it made it’s way to water then we also had to get the Coast Guard involved. God forbid that some poor decon tech or janitor happened to spill some cleaning solution into a drain.

Oldnuke on June 22, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Wow, That wasn’t you?????

WryTrvllr on June 22, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Nah, I didn’t do it. I’ve seen it in one other post, not mine. Still not sure what causes it.

Oldnuke on June 22, 2012 at 9:59 PM

I think you accidentally revealed what Allahpundit sees.

DELETE / DELETE AND BAN / DELETE AND BAN AND FEED KITTY

profitsbeard on June 22, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Here’s a way to trim the national debt. Using the Commerce Clause to address the national debt, all citizens of the US will be required to purchase ONE $&^%*@ per year. Failure to do so will result in a $10k fine for each year that each citizen does not have one.

Since the $&^%*@ hasn’t been invented yet, think of all the revenue that will pour into the Treasury!

GarandFan on June 22, 2012 at 10:15 PM

But,… but,… but we were told that oil companies don’t pay their “fair share”…!

… And that they conspire to stifle new technologies…!

… And that the EPA is being fair to ALL energy producers…!

How come…?!!!…

ptcamn on June 22, 2012 at 10:15 PM

listens2glenn on June 22, 2012 at 9:57 PM

I’ve dealt with both state and federal level environmental widgets. About the only difference is the arrogance level. I had a state guy once tell me that they were considering lowering the Ph limit for water discharges to between 0 and 2. I just nodded and told him that would most likely be easier to maintain than the present 6 to 9 limit.

Oldnuke on June 22, 2012 at 10:17 PM

You could have stopped right there. Environment doesn’t need protecting. It’ll take care of itself.

Oldnuke on June 22, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Tell that to the people who lived at Love Canal or along the Cuyahoga.

JFS61 on June 22, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Tell that to the people who lived at Love Canal or along the Cuyahoga.

JFS61 on June 22, 2012 at 10:24 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Yes, cause they’re such huge problems today…

WryTrvllr on June 22, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Like the gulf oil spill

WryTrvllr on June 22, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Where’s Godzilla when you need him???????????

WryTrvllr on June 22, 2012 at 10:29 PM

It wasn’t only the moonbats calling Dubya dumb, sometimes. This is one of those times that I vehemently called him stupid!!! .

AH_C on June 22, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Are you saying that the people along Love canal didn’t know they were buying a waste dump? Who kept them in the dark?

Hooker Chemical had sold the site to the Niagara Falls School Board in 1953 for $1, with a deed explicitly detailing the presence of the waste,[1] and including a liability limitation clause about the contamination.

Oldnuke on June 22, 2012 at 10:51 PM

“fund additional research in cutting-edge methods of producing ethanol, not just from corn, but from wood chips and stalks or switch grass.”

A fraud wrapped in a lie stamped with a delusion.

We walk on a miracle substance mother earth has created for us called oil. Instead of using what is just sitting there, we waste our other precious resources to turn them into the thing that the thing beneath our feet can easily and cheaply be turned into.
I can remember growing up being taught in school how oil was the revolutionary clean energy that was replacing coal. Oil was clean and green.

Marxists can convince the ignorant that snow is black, that the sky is yellow and that dog poo is tasty and healthy if given the time. Ignorant fools will be our downfall.

I am convinced that if windmills worked, that if they could generate enough energy to melt steel and fuel America’s needs they would be banned. There would be a consensus that they caused hurricanes, distorted the earth’s wind patterns and slowed the earth’s orbit around the sun. And ignoramuses would believe it all and start a crusade to tear them down and advocate for oil refineries instead.
Like the man said… “If I wanted America to fail, I’d make cheap energy expensive so that expensive energy seemed cheap.”

JellyToast on June 22, 2012 at 10:51 PM

More evidence that Bush really was clueless. Not malevolent like our current occupant; just clueless.

Cleombrotus on June 22, 2012 at 11:30 PM

BREAKING NEWS: HOWARD PORTNOY WRITES SERIOUS POST AND MAKES HOT AIR FRONT PAGE!

Marcola on June 23, 2012 at 12:48 AM

Congress and W might as well have mandated fuel blended with fairy farts.

AshleyTKing on June 23, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Just you wait, we’ll eventually find that the Oil companies had a choice of paying a 10% fine to the EPA or a 5% fine to the Obama Registry (Bribe Fund).

xdwall on June 23, 2012 at 1:25 AM

getting nothing for something

Absolutely wrong! We are getting LESS THAN NOTHING. Ethanol is less useful as a fuel for engines than gasoline for several reasons including that it is less energentic.

burt on June 23, 2012 at 1:36 AM

Just flat out abolish the EPA. Anything less will just be inviting the monster to return in the future.

Theophile on June 23, 2012 at 3:26 AM

When is the hapless GOP going to start the obvious mantra that Obama has a dangerous “war on energy?”

After that, start asking the “why, would he do such a harmful thing” questions….

Don L on June 23, 2012 at 4:02 AM

The EPA leading in regulationism for things that don’t exist, aren’t economical and coming in after the barn door has been closed by State level agencies.

Of all the ‘Superfund’ sites how many have actually been cleaned up? I used to drive past a number of them on the official registry in WNY for years and they were all ‘high priority’ and not a single one of them had so much as a chain link fence around them.

Clean air and clean water is something the many States are to look after, and can coordinate cross-border regulations amongst themselves and only make sure they step on no federal powers when doing so, nor violate the Constitution on such things as inter-State trade. Love Canal got lots of cash, places in IA, NM or even just as dirty places in Niagara County? Bupkis. The Cuyahoga River is credited with being cleaned up by the Ohio EPA, not the federal EPA… yet we got the overhead of the federal DUPLICATING what the States already do, thus doubling the paperwork for anyone wanting to do anything when it ‘impacts the environment’. Your breathing impacts the environment, aren’t we so lucky the EPA wants to regulate CO2? Your breathing will be regulated because if the EPA can mandate companies to buy products that don’t exist, then it can, most assuredly, tax your breathing output which does exist.

Get rid of this federal agency. Shut it down and sell its properties off at auction so the American people can see that there will be some final benefit to closing the budgetary problems in liquidating useless, burdensome and not Constitutionally authorized federal agencies.

Stop passing the buck of responsibility up to the federal level where it is least able to deal with local problems and get it back to the local level where YOU are best able to understand and deal with the ACTUAL problems and have better control and accountability of it getting done. The federal government wasn’t designed to do this sort of thing and it SHOWS.

ajacksonian on June 23, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Your breathing impacts the environment, aren’t we so lucky the EPA wants to regulate CO2? Your breathing will be regulated because if the EPA can mandate companies to buy products that don’t exist, then it can, most assuredly, tax your breathing output which does exist.

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Reminds me of that “no pressure” commercial from 10-10-10 out of the UK. (look it up on youtube). That part where the soccer team about to practice blows up a previous member for not doing anything about his carbon footprint.

Shouldn’t that have been the other way around.

The EPA should ban all forms of exercise./

At least fat people are carbon sequestering for free!!!

WryTrvllr on June 23, 2012 at 7:33 AM

Thune needs to come out and tell us where the hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars went to develop cellulostic alcohol that he supported. One word POET…Thune’s best friend.

trs on June 23, 2012 at 7:46 AM

EPA fines oil refiners for failing to use nonexistent biofuel

The EPA is simply doing what it was intended to do all along:
Disable the United States.
listens2glenn on June 22, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Exactly.

All the EPA Administrator has to do is say “don’t collect this scam money”. But, EPA Lisa Jackson allows it to continue. :(

Let’s hope Romney’s AG looks into this and perhaps brings criminal charges. It smacks of extortion, corruption, and racketeering.

BigSven on June 23, 2012 at 8:21 AM

So basically we taxpayers are being screwed over twice by this idotic government mandate. Not only are we (1) paying for the many grants that the EPA is giving to companies to try and develop this elusive cellulosic ethanol; we are also (2) paying higher prices for gas as the gas companies pass on to us, their customers, the increased costs they incur having to pay the government’s fines for not using the non-existent cellulosic ethanol.

Great. Just friggin’ great.

AZCoyote on June 23, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Howard Portnoy; Sorry but I do not understand the premise of your article. Bio-enriched (10%) gasoline have been on the market for decades (at least 30 Years I know of). Before that we bought it in a can to add (DRY GAS). Not only does it cost less, it burns cleaner and keeps your fuel drier. Gasoline at 90 % in some areas for over the last 10 years. The engine needs some modification (the manufacture will do this need to inject a little oil into the fuel). So what is the point of your article.

jpcpt03 on June 23, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Howard Portnoy; Page two Truckers have been adding Bio-additive to the fuel for over 60 years. Diesel jells at about 30 degrees at some ethanol, it’s called “sweetening” no that call it a winter blend and charge more.

jpcpt03 on June 23, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Howard Portnoy; Sorry but I do not understand the premise of your article.

Sorry to hear that. Feel better.

Howard Portnoy on June 23, 2012 at 10:56 AM

jpcpt03 on June 23, 2012 at 10:02 AM

OK, serious answer: No one has developed a technology for developing cellulosic ethanol, which is a thing apart from other bio-fuels and additives, in large enough quantities to make it practical to produce. Yet, the government is penalizing refiners (and indirectly taxpayers) for not adding it to gasoline and diesel.

Howard Portnoy on June 23, 2012 at 11:02 AM

It’s about fun. The pure fun of penalizing, striking PR poses, and ugh, “standing up to big corporations”. Power for the sake of power and bread crumbs for the idiots who eat this stuff up. The sort of mindless bullying amd misuse of force that 0ur inner totalitarians in America crave.

arand on June 23, 2012 at 11:11 AM

How about we FINE THE EPA FOR FAILING TO USE THEIR NON-EXISTENT COMMON SENSE???

This one incident should result in a total de-funding of this dysfunctional agency which has become the #1 enemy of America.

landlines on June 23, 2012 at 5:01 PM

How about we FINE ABOLISH THE EPA, PULLING IT OUT, ROOT AND BRANCH, FOR FAILING TO USE THEIR NON-EXISTENT COMMON SENSE???

This one incident should result in a total de-funding of this dysfunctional agency that functions only too well in tyrannizing the (bleep!) out of us which has become the #1 enemy of America.

landlines on June 23, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Fixed!

Former KSFO radio host Lee Rodgers has a great idea re the EPA (radiorodgers.com): We “fire everybody remotely associated with the Environmental Protection Agency and convert the headquarters into condominiums, the sale of which should be used to reduce our national debt.” If Mitt Romney would make that a campaign promise, it would be a total game, set and match for him come November against the flummoxed, fumbling, floundering, flailing fool currently in office.

Sir Rants-A-Lot on June 23, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Howard Portnoy: Thanks for your non-sarcastic reply to by post. I did not know that there are two, maybe three production methods for the production of Ethanol with “Cellulosic Ethanol” being one of them. The lack of any refineries for Cellulosic and the considerable Federal investment seems to beg the question. Are the the oil companies taking the monies and doing little more then lip service to the development with the fines being a way of getting them back in to serious development? The processes have been around in one form or another since the 19th century. Maybe it’s time for some one to kick a little financial but on this.

jpcpt03 on June 24, 2012 at 12:11 AM

were considering lowering the Ph limit for water discharges to between 0 and 2. I just nodded and told him that would most likely be easier to maintain than the present 6 to 9 limit.

Oldnuke on June 22, 2012 at 10:17 PM

I’m betting he is one who would jump right on the bandwagon of banning that deadly compound dihydrous oxide, too! Enough of that stuff in the lungs and people die, don’t you know!

For those who don’t know why Oldnuke was facepalming about this idiot………
From the Wikipedia bit on Ph, when discussing how hard it is to measure Ph below 2.5:
Runoff from mines or mine tailings can produce some very low pH values.

Also, it says:
A solution of a strong acid, such as hydrochloric acid, at concentration 1 mol/dm-3 has a pH of 0.

GWB on June 24, 2012 at 1:48 AM

Don’t get me started on mandates to prevent or reverse global warming. Sadly, that could obligate us to change sunspot activity or the precession of Earth’s axis. These matters are trans-science just as the date on which we can expect the technology developments and price points will result in a pricepoint that will cause use all to adopt solar energy cars attractive to the market.

flataffect on June 24, 2012 at 4:32 AM