Can Obama win the election on social issues?

posted at 2:01 pm on June 22, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Team Obama may have given up hope for economic change in this election cycle, according to Politico.  With the economy sinking further into stagnation, if not into a new recession, Democrats have begun to push social issues as the front for Barack Obama’s re-election, and think they have an edge that will lead them to victory:

Americans trust President Barack Obama over presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney on social issues, 52 percent to 36 percent, according to a new AP-GfK poll released Friday. …

Democrats are counting on the president’s edge on social issues to make up for a weak economy. The Obama campaign has emphasized Romney’s opposition to abortion rights as part of a broader campaign to woo female voters.

If they’re relying on the AP poll, they’re going to be very disappointed in the results.  The sample D/R/I without leaners is 29/22/33, with Republicans absurdly underrepresented (the 2010 split was 35/35/30).  With leaners, the split is 49/39/12.  Even the 2008 race, with its Democratic wave, didn’t produce a D+10 turnout.  And even with that kind of advantage, the main social issue on which Obama has explicitly campaigned — gay marriage — actually trails its opposition.

That would be bad news even if voters were focused on social issues in this election.  A new Pew poll this week, though, shows that the two social issues on which Obama rests these hopes are the two lowest priorities for voters in this election:

Economic conditions are at the forefront of most voters’ concerns. When asked to name the issue they would most like to hear the candidates talk about, 56% mention one of three economic topics: the economy broadly (42%), the job situation (13%) or the budget deficit (4%). Health care is the only other issue garnering more than one-in-ten mentions (18%).

A separate close-ended question echoes these economic concerns. When offered six choices, a plurality of voters (35%) say that jobs will be the top issue in deciding their vote for president this year, followed by the budget deficit (23%) and health care (19%). Another 11% say Social Security will matter most to them, with relatively few citing immigration (5%) or gay marriage (4%) as the most important issue affecting their vote.

Jobs top the list for both certain Obama supporters (37%) and swing voters (38%), while certain Romney supporters are about equally likely to say jobs (30%) as to say the budget deficit (33%). Health care is more frequently named by certain Obama voters (26%) than either certain Romney (14%) or swing voters (15%).

Another interesting takeaway from Pew: independents favor Romney by five, 49/44.  It shows Obama up overall, but as The Hill notes, Romney’s catching up by focusing on what voters find important:

New polls released this week reveal President Obama holds a very tight lead over Mitt Romney, but that the GOP nominee is closing the gap by focusing on economic issues.

According to a Pew Research poll released Thursday, 50 percent of registered voters support or lean toward supporting Obama, while 46 percent support or lean toward Romney. That’s a very narrow lead for Obama, with a margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points for the poll.

Some believe that Team Obama thinks it can run the 2004 George W. Bush playbook and win a base-turnout election by firing people up over social issues.  That ignores two key differences in the two elections.  First, liberals cannot win base-turnout presidential elections; their numbers are too low.  They need to win independents, which means that the base-turnout strategy is likely to backfire.  Second and more importantly, Bush could run that kind of campaign in 2004 because the economy was rapidly growing, and unemployment was at 6% and falling (with civilian participation rates stable).  Pocketbook issues were nowhere near as urgent as they are in 2012.    Trying to run the Bush 2004 playbook and focus on social issues in this economic environment will play right into Team Romney’s strategy of painting Obama as out of touch and out of ideas.


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The words “trust” and “Obama” don’t even belong in the same universe, let alone in a poll question.

natasha333 on June 22, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Will Obama admit that his social issues plan was to kill Mexicans to prevent them fro illegally immigrating to the US???

SWalker on June 22, 2012 at 2:06 PM

No, not at all…

OmahaConservative on June 22, 2012 at 2:06 PM

I’ve been pounding this drum ever since I registered.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx

Hardly anybody (4%!) cares about social issues, this election. And the very few that do seem to be swinging the Republicans’ way as evidenced by North Carolina. Obama can either convince voters he has a workable plan, hope Romney makes some disastrous error, or just give up.

Doomberg on June 22, 2012 at 2:06 PM

He certainly has the “gay illegal immigrant who wants to get married” vote sewn up.

The Rogue Tomato on June 22, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Social Issues along Michelle’s edict that Obama is everyone’s husband…

scouring bowels…Weasel Zippers: “Obama Asks People Getting Married To Forgo Gifts, Ask Their Guests To Donate To His Campaign Instead…
You can even register your wedding on his campaign website. Could he be any more pompous?”

The Obama Event Registry
by Laura Wilson, June 22
Register with Obama 2012

maverick muse on June 22, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Help defeat Obama…..

post links like this at every chance you get.

This is just another rubbing your nose in it from the first Gay President to traditional America.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gay-activists-visiting-white-house-take-photos-of-themselves-flipping-off-reagan-portrait/

PappyD61 on June 22, 2012 at 2:07 PM

This poll is laughable and Obama cannot win on any issue this election…
By the way I think that Hot Air should make a thread about the Gays and Lesbians who were flipping their middle fingers to Ronald Reagan portrait and making out under his portrait during their visit to the White House last week. It is getting spread fast on the internet in the last two hours and this site should help in expanding its coverage…

mnjg on June 22, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Also, Ed, keep in mind that they just did this to us in IL in the last gov. election. The economy was (still is) in the crapper here in IL, but they pounded our guy on social issues and the lib media here was all too willing to help them keep the focus. In the end, we lost. Obama’s team didn’t let this go unnoticed.

kerrhome on June 22, 2012 at 2:08 PM

There’s another problem with Obama trying to campaign on Social Issues. His and the Liberals’ viewpoints are that of the minority in this country.

78% of Americans, per Gallup are Christians and 92% believe in God. Liberals comprise 17% of the population. Do the math.

kingsjester on June 22, 2012 at 2:08 PM

He certainly has the “gay illegal immigrant who wants to get married” vote sewn up.

The Rogue Tomato on June 22, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Well, providing that they don’t mind getting killed to advance Obama “Social Issues” agenda.

SWalker on June 22, 2012 at 2:08 PM

The only “social” issue I really care about is getting the top Socialist out of office, and his Socialist allies out of Congress.

electricfunksandwich on June 22, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Help defeat Obama…..

post links like this at every chance you get.

This is just another rubbing your nose in it from the first Gay President to traditional America.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gay-activists-visiting-white-house-take-photos-of-themselves-flipping-off-reagan-portrait/

PappyD61 on June 22, 2012 at 2:07 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

WOW you beat me by a minute, see my post below yours…

mnjg on June 22, 2012 at 2:09 PM

……and yes Romney can win (if he’s smart) on the Economy alone (and with these continuing in-your-face things like the Obama party for the radical gay activists in the White House)…

…Romney can LANDSLIDE beat him.

PappyD61 on June 22, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Some believe that Team Obama thinks it can run the 2004 George W. Bush playbook and win a base-turnout election by firing people up over social issues.

I love the fact that Team Obama have convinced themselves that he’s going to win based on the 2004 model where an unpopular incumbant held off a challenge from an elitist douchebag. There are two main reasons why this is a doomed strategy: 1) Obama actually is a horrible president as opposed to simply being painted as one by the media and 2) Mitt isn’t 1/10th the tone-deaf snobby douche that Kerry was.

Kataklysmic on June 22, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Trying to run the Bush 2004 playbook and focus on social issues in this economic environment will play right into Team Romney’s strategy of painting Obama as out of touch and out of ideas.

Only if Romney can start enunciating clearly a competing vision. “I’m not Obama” isn’t going to cut it.

ddrintn on June 22, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Social Issues along Michelle’s edict that Obama is everyone’s husband…

maverick muse on June 22, 2012 at 2:06 PM

TFGP :)…

jimver on June 22, 2012 at 2:11 PM

“You can marry whoever you want–you just can’t afford a house, car, kids, pets, or marriage license.”

–Obama 2012

MidniteRambler on June 22, 2012 at 2:11 PM

I love the fact that Team Obama have convinced themselves that he’s going to win based on the 2004 model where an unpopular incumbant held off a challenge from an elitist douchebag. There are two main reasons why this is a doomed strategy: 1) Obama actually is a horrible president as opposed to simply being painted as one by the media and 2) Mitt isn’t 1/10th the tone-deaf snobby douche that Kerry was.

Excellent and concise points. I love it. Respect.

electricfunksandwich on June 22, 2012 at 2:12 PM

PappyD61 on June 22, 2012 at 2:07 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

WOW you beat me by a minute, see my post below yours…

mnjg on June 22, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Why are we seeing mod buttons like this?

OmahaConservative on June 22, 2012 at 2:14 PM

His campaign is rapidly becoming a disaster.It won’t surprise me if he sends ACORN types out to steal school kids lunch money this fall.

docflash on June 22, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Seems to be working if you look at any swing state poll. Those are all that matters and he’s ahead enough in enough of them to win.

50%+1

Forward ’12.

inthemiddle on June 22, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Shhhhh let em think that

cmsinaz on June 22, 2012 at 2:15 PM

You can even register your wedding on his campaign website. Could he be any more pompous?”

The Obama Event Registry
by Laura Wilson, June 22
Register with Obama 2012

maverick muse on June 22, 2012 at 2:06 PM

“You can marry whoever you want–you just can’t afford a house, car, kids, pets, or marriage license.”

–Obama 2012

MidniteRambler on June 22, 2012 at 2:11 PM

You can marry whoever you want, as long as you give your wedding gifts to my campaign.

Pompous? I think he’s just plain greedy.

Fallon on June 22, 2012 at 2:15 PM

I got tangled into an argument last night with a delusional facebook community. The level of delusion was shocking, like visiting a pristine mansion and finding the bathtub full of cockroaches. The trolls we meet here are amateurs compared to these folks. For people like this, the economy is nothing as long as Obama gets reelected.

Thankfully, as November draws near they will become more and more marginalized and less influential.

AubieJon on June 22, 2012 at 2:15 PM

1) Obama actually is a horrible president as opposed to simply being painted as one by the media and 2) Mitt isn’t 1/10th the tone-deaf snobby douche that Kerry was.

1) GWB is the worst President to have ever served. 2) Mitt isn’t as bad as Kerry. He’s worse. More rich and more out-of-touch. He and Ann need to focus on their dressage horses.

inthemiddle on June 22, 2012 at 2:16 PM

let me pile on the vile pix at drudge.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/22/gay-activists-know-nothing-about-reagan-history

One of my all-time favorite Onion headlines was “Gay Rights Parade Sets Back Gay Rights.” Most Americans simply don’t care whether Bob finds Joe attractive or Julia wants to date Cindy. Whether its genetic or a choice is of almost no interest to me. I worry more about whether or not Pluto is a planet than whatever adults do in their bedroom. But, your lifestyle, straight or gay, is no excuse to be rude.

the article goes on to tell some true history of Reagan. Of course, part of the MO of the left/obama is to re-write history. these are deranged people who mistake their own personal history for something that is important.

r keller on June 22, 2012 at 2:16 PM

The most pro-abortion President in history doesn’t want to run on social issues.

Social Conservatives own those issues, and SoCons vote early, vote often, and organize – primarily for the GOP. He’s already kicked the Catholic hornet’s nest, making them angrier will do nothing for him. Even the socially liberal blueblooder RINO types hold their nose for SoCons because they know the party goes nowhere on their fiscal issues without us pulling the actual freight of the party. They cut bigger checks, but they do less overall work.

BKennedy on June 22, 2012 at 2:16 PM

A historic 1 day drop in the Rasmussen approval tracker for O today. He went from -5 to -10, but even more significantly the Strongly Disapprove jumped 4 points to -45, and the Strongly Approve over Strongly Disapprove number (“Presidential Approval Index”) fell a record 8 points in 1 day to -22. Odd that the Gallup Tracker doesn’t reflect the same movement, but maybe it’s just a lag with Gallup. And what is this about? Fast & Furious? http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

PLEASE NOTE: I went through years of Rasmussen’s O approval tracker and found the record day for the most that Strongly Disapprove was Sep 5, 2010, at -47 (now -45). What is critical to note is that that was right in the heart of the flap about the Ground Zero Mosque.

Point: revive that meme, or something similar, because it’s a huge winner.

anotherJoe on June 22, 2012 at 2:16 PM

There are two main reasons why this is a doomed strategy: 1) Obama actually is a horrible president as opposed to simply being painted as one by the media and 2) Mitt isn’t 1/10th the tone-deaf snobby douche that Kerry was.

Kataklysmic on June 22, 2012 at 2:09 PM

On the other hand, 1) unlike Bush, Obama does have the media complex by and large on his side (if we had this economy in 2004, what would Bush’s approval numbers and re-elect prospects be?) and 2) Like Kerry, Romney is a candidate that the base of his party mistrusts and is not excited about. How many times have we seen “Romney’s not my first or even third or fourth choice, but…” “Look, I’m not thrilled with Romney either, but Obama has to go…” I see it all the time, leading me to wonder how we ended up with Romney at all. This election will be like 2004 in that it will be demonstrated that you can’t win on anti-incumbent sentiment alone.

ddrintn on June 22, 2012 at 2:17 PM

1) GWB is the worst President to have ever served. 2) Mitt isn’t as bad as Kerry. He’s worse. More rich and more out-of-touch. He and Ann need to focus on their dressage horses.

inthemiddle on June 22, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Feel free to link to your Intrade receipt.

Kataklysmic on June 22, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Not OT:

New jobless claims rose unexpectedly this week to 387,000.

Last week’s new jobless claim number was unexpectedly predictably revised upward to 389,000 from an initial report of 386,000.

MidniteRambler on June 22, 2012 at 2:19 PM

btw, i mean to mention that rasmussen has his index for barry at -22. That is a 7 point drop in a day.

now i know that the index is particularly volatile since it subtracts two ‘tails’…but it is a moving average, which should smooth out bumps

i’d love to see the dailies

r keller on June 22, 2012 at 2:19 PM

↑ By the way, I understand math is hard, but how does one claim with a straing face that Mitt has more money than Kerry?

Kataklysmic on June 22, 2012 at 2:21 PM

*straight

Kataklysmic on June 22, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Can Obama win the election on social issues?

I don’t think he will. Didn’t Bob Dole lead on social issues in 96? How important were social issues to the voters in 1996? Answer: close to what it is now.

Dollayo on June 22, 2012 at 2:22 PM

1) GWB is the worst President to have ever served. 2) Mitt isn’t as bad as Kerry. He’s worse. More rich and more out-of-touch. He and Ann need to focus on their dressage horses.

inthemiddle on June 22, 2012 at 2:16 PM

You got this from the same “Fact Book” that says Hillary Clinton was named after Sir Edmund Hillary and that AlGore invented the internet. Great.

AubieJon on June 22, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Kataklysmic on June 22, 2012 at 2:21 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Lib Trolls never let facts get in the way of disruption.

kingsjester on June 22, 2012 at 2:23 PM

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

here’s the link to rasmussen daily tracking of the moving average

r keller on June 22, 2012 at 2:24 PM

1) GWB is the worst President to have ever served. 2) Mitt isn’t as bad as Kerry. He’s worse. More rich and more out-of-touch. He and Ann need to focus on their dressage horses.

inthemiddle on June 22, 2012 at 2:16 PM

1) I would ask to you prove your hilarious Bush claim with credible and multi-sourced Facts, but since everyone here knows you can’t, I won’t ask.

2) “More rich”? Thurston and his wife’s combined net worth is almost $1 billion; Romney and his wife’s net worth is a quarter of that.

FAIL-

Del Dolemonte on June 22, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Because we all know that the future of the Republic has more to do with the gay marriage issue than with anything else.

/

mankai on June 22, 2012 at 2:25 PM

No.

People, who were born after the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision and are now up to age 39, know that the “pro-choice” movement made it legal to abort THEM.

Every year more of these potential abortees become eligible to vote.

This generation knows that they are missing a lot of brothers, sisters, cousins, friends and classmates who were never allowed to live.

wren on June 22, 2012 at 2:25 PM

Team Romney’s strategy of painting Obama as out of touch and out of ideas.

Nothing can be as affective as using truth as your paint!!

Deano1952 on June 22, 2012 at 2:25 PM

Kataklysmic on June 22, 2012 at 2:21 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Lib Trolls never let facts get in the way of disruption.

kingsjester on June 22, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Another undercover moderator!

ddrintn on June 22, 2012 at 2:26 PM

The words “trust” and “Obama” don’t even belong in the same universe, let alone in a poll question.

natasha333 on June 22, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Sure they do!

Do you trust Obama to screw up the economy?

Do you trust Obama to shoot his campaign in the foot via dictatorial action?

See?

Nathan_OH on June 22, 2012 at 2:26 PM

inthemiddle on June 22, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Mitt earned his money. It would have been way better if he were a failure.

Now, how did Kerry come by his fortune?

/

mankai on June 22, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Can Obama win the election on social issues?

Where is his executive-privilege for Eric Holder…?

… I want to see it!

I want to read it…!

… I want to see his signature on it!

(i know… i know… get used to disappointment)

Seven Percent Solution on June 22, 2012 at 2:28 PM

This election will be like 2004 in that it will be demonstrated that you can’t win on anti-incumbent sentiment alone.

ddrintn on June 22, 2012 at 2:17 PM

I agree that Mitt can’t win based on applause lines. At the same time, if he lays out details for his economic plan, they are immediately going to be distorted, lied about, and demagogued. It’s a tightrope walk. I don’t envy him.

Kataklysmic on June 22, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Kataklysmic on June 22, 2012 at 2:21 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Lib Trolls never let facts get in the way of disruption.

kingsjester on June 22, 2012 at 2:23 PM

kj, what’s up with the mod buttons in your quote?

OmahaConservative on June 22, 2012 at 2:29 PM

PappyD61 on June 22, 2012 at 2:07 PM

mnjg on June 22, 2012 at 2:09 PM

I saw those photos at Gateway Pundit and he linked to the Weekly Standard. This is a link to the original Philly Post column:

What Happens When You Let Gay Philly Activists Into the White House
They pose for pics giving Ronald Reagan’s portait the finger.

This is absolutely despicable behavior. Show these photos and there is no way that Obama can win the election on social issues.

INC on June 22, 2012 at 2:30 PM

1) GWB is the worst President to have ever served

I’d give that to James Buchanan. By the way, hyperbole like that really doesn’t help your cause.

JFKY on June 22, 2012 at 2:30 PM

I get the feeling that the same dead persons in Chicago who
vote in elections vote in these polls.

Amjean on June 22, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Despite Allahpundit’s obsessive “gay marriage inevitability” push polling, homosexual marriage is a losing issue, that 0bama only embraced because he needed that sweet sweet gay campaign cash.

As far as abortion, the American public has turned mostly conservative on the issue, it might help a bit rallying the base (which shouldn’t need rallying… hmmm) but it’s not going to make a dent in independents.

Besides which, social issues only matter when the economy is not an issue, which it is BIG TIME.

Rebar on June 22, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Americans trust President Barack Obama over presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney on social issues, 52 percent to 36 percent, according to a new AP-GfK poll released Friday. …

By the way, even as a Romney naysayer, I don’t buy those numbers for one second.

ddrintn on June 22, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Here’s the main reason why Obama would be in a pickle on social issues: once you move past the generic “who do you trust more on social issues” (since Romney will say anything you figure Obama would be more trusted) to any particular social issue, the substance of Obama’s policy position would do him in.

Abortion? The nation’s now slightly more pro-life than pro-choice. That hurts.

Gay marriage? Supporting it has made Romney competitive in the swing states. Bad move.

Drugs? Errrr… do you really want to remind people of Fast & Furious?

Illegal immigration? When 70% of Americans oppose it, bragging about your EO amnesty won’t help.

Crime in general? Not really a major factor since mandatory sentencing laws and tougher law enforcement has existed since the late 80s to mid 90s.

Education? Only if you want to tie yourself to teacher’s unions… incidentally, the one union group he’s royally pissed off.

Environmentalism? How would you like a trip down memory lane? Climategate, this is your life!

So what would he campaign on? Hate speech? Censorship? Police surveillance? What?

Stoic Patriot on June 22, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Coolidge: “All Liberty Is Individual.”

PappyD61
Homosexuals flipping the bird under Reagan has no logic whatsoever given that he loved his gay son and treated little Ronnie with respect.

Everyone visiting or working in the White House needs to exercise good manners.

Coolidge: The chief ideal of the American people is idealism. The chief business of the American people is business.

Mary Cheney married her life companion Heather Poe. Mary has already born two children, a son and daughter.

“This is a baby,” Mary Cheney said in 2007 about her son. “This is a blessing from God. It is not a political statement. It is not a prop to be used in a debate by people on either side of an issue. It is my child.”

I don’t see the point of being ugly about this Cheney “marriage” or her raising children. Laura Ingraham is raising children without ever marrying anyone. Rather, families and homes need respect in order to keep government from usurping the primary role in human relations. So long as our traditional families and values are respected by others, exercise the golden rule.

[And for the HotAir newbies, my consistent position against gay activists is that they exercise intolerance of traditions and practice cruelty towards conservatives. There must be individual Liberty for domestic peace. Each of our rights end where the next person's nose begins/Kathryn Albrecht.]

maverick muse on June 22, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Can Obama win the election on social issues?

……I’m a guy…and got an email from Mooch telling me that JugEars was my husband too!…my wife’s not pleased…I’m not into the old Mormon marriage thing…and I don’t want to be geh…I see enough wenises in here!

KOOLAID2 on June 22, 2012 at 2:32 PM

kj, what’s up with the mod buttons in your quote?

OmahaConservative on June 22, 2012 at 2:29 PM

There seems to be a glitch in the code. I can’t see them except when some of you cut and paste them in. At least we know the ease with which we can be shown the door!

INC on June 22, 2012 at 2:33 PM

This election will reflect just how far the dumbing of America has progressed. I am not sold a 100% on Romney, but compared to what Obama could do with a second term, there is no question the American way of life will cease to exist if this administration and continue the unabated damage it has incurred on the American people. There is absolutely no other choice.

volsense on June 22, 2012 at 2:36 PM

I agree that Mitt can’t win based on applause lines. At the same time, if he lays out details for his economic plan, they are immediately going to be distorted, lied about, and demagogued. It’s a tightrope walk. I don’t envy him.

Kataklysmic on June 22, 2012 at 2:29 PM

I’m not talking about CPA eye-glazing green-eyeshade stuff. I’m talking about a cogent, powerful, competing vision and the ability to inspire people with it. Romney has never shown the ability to enunciate such a thing, and I doubt he ever will. It’s little late.

ddrintn on June 22, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Country isn’t socially liberal, at best it’s divided. Also, there really isn’t a toss up state that is very socially liberal. Yes, CO/NH might lean more liberal but it’s not the focus of either state.

IR-MN on June 22, 2012 at 2:37 PM

kj, what’s up with the mod buttons in your quote?

OmahaConservative on June 22, 2012 at 2:29 PM

I dunno. Maybe I’m a stealth moderator. If that’s the case, Townhall…show me the money!:) LOL.

kingsjester on June 22, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Yes and more YES.

The first thing I think of when I have to pay skyrocketing food and fuel prices is “Boy howdy, I sure hope gay marriage becomes federal law soon.”

Bishop on June 22, 2012 at 2:38 PM

There seems to be a glitch in the code. I can’t see them except when some of you cut and paste them in. At least we know the ease with which we can be shown the door!

INC on June 22, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Weird…
Don’t think I’ve ever seen ‘em before today. And Patrick’s post is still coming up blank for me.

OmahaConservative on June 22, 2012 at 2:38 PM

kj, what’s up with the mod buttons in your quote?

OmahaConservative on June 22, 2012 at 2:29 PM

There seems to be a glitch in the code. I can’t see them except when some of you cut and paste them in. At least we know the ease with which we can be shown the door!

INC on June 22, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Could it be something that only shows up on certain browsers? It’s been happening to other posters here all day, but I’ve been cutting and pasting other people right along and have never had it happen to me. I use Firefox with ABP (but haven’t upgraded to the new FF yet).

Del Dolemonte on June 22, 2012 at 2:38 PM

You got this from the same “Fact Book” that says Hillary Clinton was named after Sir Edmund Hillary and that AlGore invented the internet. Great.

I’m sure a copy of the newest edition of the Liberal Fact Book cited by inthemiddle is available in all sixty states, including the two 0bama never got to visit in 2008. There may be some medical corpsemen who want to read it.

Just out of curiosity, is the Liberal Fact Book available in the Austrian language?

MidniteRambler on June 22, 2012 at 2:38 PM

My college graduate son cannot find a job. My daughter in college can’t even find a summer job. It’s the economy stupid! I don’t care how many folks like Obummer, folks are losing their houses, cars, livlihoods.

neyney on June 22, 2012 at 2:41 PM

I use Firefox with ABP (but haven’t upgraded to the new FF yet).

Del Dolemonte on June 22, 2012 at 2:38 PM

I’m using the same…

OmahaConservative on June 22, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Libfreeordie on June 22, 2012 at 2:34 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban | Delete and Ban and Drop Kick Across Street

Hey wow, you get extra options with certain people here.

Bishop on June 22, 2012 at 2:43 PM

OmahaConservative on June 22, 2012 at 2:42 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Shhh. I’m at work and on AOL.

Bishop…can I be first in line?

kingsjester on June 22, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Some believe that Team Obama thinks it can run the 2004 George W. Bush playbook and win a base-turnout election by firing people up over social issues.

Considering he’s expanded just about every other thing Bush did, why not.

This is actually not the Bush playbook though, this is the old dem playbook of trying to bring up social issues and then hang them around the neck of the pub candidate. It’s not going to fly this go-round because (a) Willard has proven to be pretty disciplined in his message and (2) the vast majority of voters don’t buy the scare tactics.

Lost in Jersey on June 22, 2012 at 2:45 PM

This is 2012 and like no other time in history.

1. Are you and your family better off than you were 4 years ago?

2. Do you wish at least a minimum of decorum/decency in your land?

If you answered “NO” and “Yes” “you are a racist”.

Still, on Nov. 6 the Schadenfreude will be to see all the leftist operatives’ heads esplode.

Tomasky, you I’ll laugh them most at.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2012 at 2:45 PM

I’m wondering if 0bama knows he is about to lose, and the idea here is to ensure that the narrative becomes, “The racistsexisthomophobic AmeriKKKan people were just not ready for Troo Liberalism,” not “0bama was a failure like Jimmy Carter, betetr re-think Leftism folks.”

Sekhmet on June 22, 2012 at 2:46 PM

OT

ESPN is calling the matchup between Greece and Germany “The Bailout Match”.

AubieJon on June 22, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Urban Elitist on June 22, 2012 at 2:35 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban | Delete and Ban and Give Them The Von Raschke Claw

This is awesome!

Bishop on June 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Why of course he will! Why you can put up a gift registry for your most important day and people can send money to the Obama Campaign instead of giving you a gift… why such mooching is a SURE WINNER for any campaign!

ajacksonian on June 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM

S/b “laugh the most at”.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM

maverick muse on June 22, 2012 at 2:32 PM

It’s not being ugly to say a behavior is wrong and the redefining marriage is wrong.

Marriage and family should not have the adjective traditional in front of it as a modifier. Marriage is marriage as it always has been—between a man and a woman.

The word traditional is an extraordinarily weak description of an institution established across time and cultures. A tradition is usually quite location and/or time specific. IMO its use concedes that there may be other forms of marriage—which there are not. What is being advocated is an overthrow of marriage and and the family, and not an alternative.

INC on June 22, 2012 at 2:48 PM

When you consider the social issues I have no idea why anyone would look to Democrats for a solution, let alone a liberal Democrat.

When it comes to social issues the Democrats are a total mess.
It’s the conservatives, particularly the religious conservatives who have solutions. It would appear that you should follow those with the solutions.

If you:

1. Graduate from High School.
2. Wait until you are 21 to get married.
3. Wait until you are 21 to make a baby.
4. Get a full time job.

There is a 98% chance that you will never live in poverty.
Screw up on all four points and the numbers are reversed.

I guess these rules are too confining for liberals.

The Rock on June 22, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Raise your hands if you’d like to be a Hot Air moderator!

:)

INC on June 22, 2012 at 2:49 PM

As far as tolerance of the marriage and family structure by gay activists. In May of 2006 Maggie Gallagher wrote the column:

Banned in Boston
The coming conflict between same-sex marriage and religious liberty.

I highly recommend reading it.

…last December [2005], the Becket Fund brought together ten religious liberty scholars of right and left to look at the question of the impact of gay marriage on the freedom of religion. Picarello summarizes: “All the scholars we got together see a problem; they all see a conflict coming. They differ on how it should be resolved and who should win, but they all see a conflict coming.”

…Reading through these and the other scholars’ papers, I noticed an odd feature. Generally speaking the scholars most opposed to gay marriage were somewhat less likely than others to foresee large conflicts ahead–perhaps because they tended to find it “inconceivable,” as Doug Kmiec of Pepperdine law school put it, that “a successful analogy will be drawn in the public mind between irrational, and morally repugnant, racial discrimination and the rational, and at least morally debatable, differentiation of traditional and same-sex marriage.”

…By contrast, the scholars who favor gay marriage found it relatively easy to foresee looming legal pressures on faith-based organizations opposed to gay marriage, perhaps because many of these scholars live in social and intellectual circles where the shift Kmiec regards as inconceivable has already happened. They have less trouble imagining that people and groups who oppose gay marriage will soon be treated by society and the law the way we treat racists because that’s pretty close to the world in which they live now.”

Gallagher quoted Chai Feldblum saying (yes, that Chai Feldblum who was first an Obama recess appointment to the EEOC and has now been confirmed by the Senate. She is also pro-abortion, and even before her tenure the EEOC was limiting religious freedom of a Catholic college.):

And yet when push comes to shove, when religious liberty and sexual liberty conflict, she admits, “I’m having a hard time coming up with any case in which religious liberty should win.”

INC on June 22, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Bishop on June 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban | Delete and Ban and Forbid From Watching Red Dawn Ever Again

Ok, now hold on just one go**amed minute!

Bishop on June 22, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Sekhmet on June 22, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Of course, but no one s/b deterred. If you know you’re not a racist this s/b like water down the back of a duck.

It is extremely insulting to the thinking blacks that they use such a low standard for Obama, the first black president, Clinton, Bill, notwithstanding.

For shame the leftists expect little or nothing at all of Obama.

It is demeaning to observe.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2012 at 2:53 PM

I forgot to mention that Gallagher leads off that column with talking about the fact that Catholic Charities of Boston would no longer be working as an adoption agency because they could not get a religious exemption from being forced to place children with homosexual couples. That meant they couldn’t get a state license as an agency, and so they quit placing children, period.

INC on June 22, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Raise your hands if you’d like to be a Hot Air moderator!

:)

INC on June 22, 2012 at 2:49 PM

500,000 in on line donations?

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2012 at 2:55 PM

500,000 in on line donations?

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2012 at 2:55 PM

:)

INC on June 22, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Bishop on June 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

ROFL! The best two out of three falls. Old school.

kingsjester on June 22, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Why of course he will! Why you can put up a gift registry for your most important day and people can send money to the Obama Campaign instead of giving you a gift… why such mooching is a SURE WINNER for any campaign!

ajacksonian on June 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Plus, “Barack is your husband too“.

By Nov. it’s “All in one big fat family”, unless you are a “racist”.

Smells like desperation, mhhhhh.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Where is Erika?

vpaddy123 on June 22, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Can Obama win the election on social issues?

You mean, like start a race war and then call martial law to end the elections? Yup, probably.

LoganSix on June 22, 2012 at 3:02 PM

You mean, like start a race war and then call martial law to end the elections? Yup, probably.

LoganSix on June 22, 2012 at 3:02 PM

You mean martial law on marital law?

INC on June 22, 2012 at 3:03 PM

LoganSix on June 22, 2012 at 3:02 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

It may be already happening.

kingsjester on June 22, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Seven Percent Solution on June 22, 2012 at 3:05 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban | Delete and Ban and Take Away All Drinking Priviledges

Some things you just shouldn’t joke about…!

Seven Percent Solution on June 22, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Smells like desperation, mhhhhh.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2012 at 2:58 PM

…smells more like what 7% usually says….prison sex!

KOOLAID2 on June 22, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Will Obama admit that his social issues plan was to kill Mexicans to prevent them fro illegally immigrating to the US???

SWalker on June 22, 2012 at 2:06 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Who needs a border patrol when you can provide guns to the cartels who kidnap, rape and murder those who are trying to cross illegally into the US.

banzaibob on June 22, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Amazing… among the criticisms or Romney in the primaries is that he wouldn’t be able to turn out the social conservatives. On election night he’s going to owe Obama a huge thanks in his victory speech for turning them out for him.

firegnome on June 22, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Wait wait wait…

That PEW poll shows Romney leading with independents, leading with republicans, yet Obama has a decent lead in it!?

So, in two demographics that represent roughly 2/3rds of the electorate he’s ahead, but Obama being ahead in 1/3rd of the electorate puts him in the lead?!

Does, not, compute!!

WolvenOne on June 22, 2012 at 3:10 PM

1) GWB is the worst President to have ever served. 2) Mitt isn’t as bad as Kerry. He’s worse. More rich and more out-of-touch. He and Ann need to focus on their dressage horses.

inthemiddle on June 22, 2012 at 2:16 PM

1) You look at Obama and only see GWB. You’ve got your head stuck up your butt.
2) Only Al Gore is more pompous than Kerry. Romney isn’t even close.

Gladtobehere on June 22, 2012 at 3:11 PM

kingsjester on June 22, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Were they bigots?

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2012 at 3:11 PM

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