Video: Jay Carney forgets Brian Terry’s name

posted at 8:38 pm on June 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

Hard to tell whether he forgot it momentarily as he was busy trying to formulate the proper spin or whether he “forgot” it because he’s never paid enough attention to F&F to make the particulars stick, but this is a bad moment from a bad briefing. (It’s the RNC that posted the clip, and no wonder.) The big talking point today: Sure, there was gunwalking to Mexican drug cartels, but Eric Holder ended it and that’s what’s important.

CARNEY: It originated in a field office during the previous administration. It was ended under this administration by this attorney general.

TAPPER: It began in fall 2009. The Operation Fast and Furious began –

CARNEY: The tactic began in the previous administration.

TAPPER: OK, but the operation. You keep saying –

CARNEY: The — OK. But this — the tactic began in the previous administration and it was ended under this one when this attorney general discovered it and believed it was a flawed tactic. He then referred it to an inspector general.

The “tactic” in the previous administration involved coordinating with Mexican police, not letting purchasers walk across the border armed without letting anyone know. And Katie Pavlich, who literally wrote the book on this, asks a good question: If Operation Fast and Furious ended in December 2010 and Holder supposedly didn’t know about the program until May 2011, how exactly did he “end it?”

Mediaite has video of Carney getting into it with Ed Henry over what type of documents Obama’s claiming the privilege for. A key quote: “The documents over which executive privilege is being asserted are internal executive branch documents that have to do with response to congressional inquiries, response to media inquiries.” Why should the privilege apply to those? In theory, the privilege is supposed to protect deliberations over Department operations, not strategy sessions on how best to avoid questions from Congress.


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This isn’t funny IMO – it’s just really sad.

gophergirl on June 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

This, however, is funny:

@tamaraholder: I am disgusted by the contempt vote. Absolutely disgusted. My stomach hurts.

Flora Duh on June 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Poor, poor Tamara LOL

She is always good for a laugh! I love how it has become a habit of hers to lecture others about interrupting, right before she herself starts interrupting!

I want Stephen Hayes to be sicced on her – he’s the only person I’ve seen get Kirsten Powers to shut up during one of her annoying rants, so I figure he’s probably the right person for the same job with Tamara! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on June 21, 2012 at 10:00 PM

They sure remember Giffords name. Even calling her Gabby, when they never even met her. She’s still alive.

Agent Terry was guarding my six out in the middle of nowhere. He died in a lonely place.

As a Arizona resident, I can’t even express my disgust at all of this. All of it. It’s revolting.

wolly4321 on June 21, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Jay Carney is an idiot.

annyinboulder on June 21, 2012 at 8:42 PM

I disagree – he’s a smart lying hack. Could you do any better with the material O provides? Other than resign in shame, I mean.

Liz Cheney just used this on Juan Williams. He seemed to be unprepared for it.

I’m a little shocked the Regime is choosing to go down on this issue, but so be it.

forest on June 21, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Liz Cheney is smart, tough, and articulate. She owns Williams with great regularity. Where would she fit best in a Romney Administration?

peski on June 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

What an A hole. First Obama’s spokes-idiot blames Bush, of course. And then he loses track of who was murdered as a result of F & F.

This homicidal presidential plot should make Watergate look like a shrimpboat. But then, in those days, we didn’t have Sandra-Fluke media tarts sitting in the front row of WH pressers wearing tight little fuchsia outfits with matching pumps. Did we? So did she have a follow up?

minnesoter on June 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Liz Cheney is smart, tough, and articulate. She owns Williams with great regularity. Where would she fit best in a Romney Administration?

peski on June 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Press Secretary? YES!

peski on June 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

canopfor on June 21, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Flora Duh on June 21, 2012 at 9:35 PM

BKeyser on June 21, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Great links, all…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on June 21, 2012 at 10:04 PM

BTW, that’s a mighty fine question Katie has. Timelines mean something. Especially incorrect ones.

Go Katie, get’em.

wolly4321 on June 21, 2012 at 10:05 PM

I’m a little shocked the Regime is choosing to go down on this issue, but so be it.

forest on June 21, 2012 at 9:26 PM

I hope they go all the way down.

The Rogue Tomato on June 21, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Okay, I’ve listed to this twice now. These criminals are going down.

minnesoter on June 21, 2012 at 10:06 PM

And Katie Pavlich, who literally wrote the book on this, asks a good question: If Operation Fast and Furious ended in December 2010 and Holder supposedly didn’t know about the program until May 2011, how exactly did he “end it?”

Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!

Dusty on June 21, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Liz Cheney just used this on Juan Williams. He seemed to be unprepared for

Liz Cheney is smart, tough, and articulate. She owns Williams with great regularity. Where would she fit best in a Romney Administration?

peski on June 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Homeland security???.

jimver on June 21, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Liz Cheney is smart, tough, and articulate. She owns Williams with great regularity. Where would she fit best in a Romney Administration?

peski on June 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Press Secretary? YES!

peski on June 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Actually that is even better, she is so smart, articulate and no-nonsense …

jimver on June 21, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Tamara Holder tried to equate the time it takes to investigate F&F with the 3 years it took to find the truth about Pat Tillman. She claimed this is too soon to expect answers. Tamara, why should it take 3 years for the govt to investigate something that it’s in charge of? Carney seems to have lost his Harry Potter glasses. Must be why he can’t see the truth in front of his face.

Kissmygrits on June 21, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Reading this I suddenly start hearing Billy Joel’s Pressure as the Demsperation in the WretchedHive grows.

stukinIL4now on June 21, 2012 at 10:22 PM

And Katie Pavlich, who literally wrote the book on this, asks a good question: If Operation Fast and Furious ended in December 2010 and Holder supposedly didn’t know about the program until May 2011, how exactly did he “end it?”

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Get them under oath and let this crap go on the record there…
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RalphyBoy on June 21, 2012 at 10:22 PM

What if the document that they are hiding is one which shows that Valerie Jarrett was the one in the WH who authorized F & F in Barack’s name so he could have plausible deniability? Just trying to figure out what would be so bad it would be better to hide it than taking the hit on Executive Privilege.

txmomof6 on June 21, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Just trying to figure out what would be so bad it would be better to hide it than taking the hit on Executive Privilege.

txmomof6 on June 21, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Here’s what they are hiding. This was an organized operation from the top down.

This was to be the administration’s push for stricter gun control: allow guns to cross the border, then blame the resulting violence on the domestic dealers who sold them. If the dealers reported the straw purchases, order them to let the guns walk.

Any uproar from the Mexican government when it was discovered would only aid in the larger political strategy.

In concert with this, Obama, Hillary and Napolitano all made big speeches in early 2009 lamenting Mexican gun violence and suggesting US gun dealers were largely to blame.

The push also (surprise!) coincided with a Brady Center initiative to curb gun violence on the border.

They had full compliance from the MSM – there was story after story about it in spring ’09 and major coverage of the abovementioned speeches.

Holder is lying from top to bottom but he is doing so on behalf of his boss. The executive privilege is to protect the WH, not Holder.

Missy on June 21, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Come on – we can’t expect ‘team obama’ to remember the names of all of those who have died as a result of obama’s crimes. Real Americans will always remember Brian Terry’s name – those responsible for Terry’s death, Holder and obama, have chosen to forget his name.

Pork-Chop on June 21, 2012 at 10:43 PM

“Who authorized ‘Fast and Furious’…?”

Seven Percent Solution on June 21, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Is it me, or is there, in fact, an occasional whiff of Watergate smell in the air? Then, it was the cover-up more than the crime. Now, it’s both, but it seems like there’s a familiar sense of desperation, of panic and badly thought-out decisions. And the daily drip, drip of additional information.

Plus an occasional random act of journalism (to use Rush’s phrase). As much as the LSM wants to support Barky, they all also know there’s an awesome opportunity for someone to be the next Woodward/Bernstein by owning this and breaking it big.

Must be a scary time for Barky and the gang – I sure wouldn’t want my life resting on the blind ideological loyalty of some LSM hack that has a big prize dangling in front of him.

bofh on June 21, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Sure, there was gunwalking to Mexican drug cartels, but Eric Holder ended it and that’s what’s important.

ooooh! big Mister Copper, Mister Crimestopper….

started it too

ted c on June 21, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Carney is once again in way over his pointed little head.

GarandFan on June 21, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Liz Cheney is smart, tough, and articulate. She owns Williams with great regularity. Where would she fit best in a Romney Administration?

peski on June 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Press Secretary? YES!

peski on June 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Actually that is even better, she is so smart, articulate and no-nonsense …

jimver on June 21, 2012 at 10:13 PM

She can do anything she wants afaic, and it would drive the proggies nutso just to have a Cheney on the team too.

slickwillie2001 on June 21, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Again, can’t say enough bad things about such a vile, detestable and despicable ‘human being’. F@#$ing sack of sh1t.

Midas on June 21, 2012 at 10:53 PM

If Operation Fast and Furious ended in December 2010 and Holder supposedly didn’t know about the program until May 2011, how exactly did he “end it?”

good question, Katie…….

LOVE to hear the answer to that one.

ted c on June 21, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Join me in some fun…

… won’t cha?

@jaketapper… OK, the White House says they turned over all the documents. Who authorized “Fast and Furious”?

:)

*clink*

Seven Percent Solution on June 21, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Brian Terry has officially become the one who shall remain nameless.

ted c on June 21, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Tamara Holder tried to equate the time it takes to investigate F&F with the 3 years it took to find the truth about Pat Tillman. She claimed this is too soon to expect answers. Tamara, why should it take 3 years for the govt to investigate something that it’s in charge of? Carney seems to have lost his Harry Potter glasses. Must be why he can’t see the truth in front of his face.

Kissmygrits on June 21, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Someone ask Tamara how long it took to investigate and get consequences delivered in the “Secret Service / prostitutes” business? How many people were fired within a couple of weeks?

What we have here is infinitely more important.

Midas on June 21, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Jay Carney and EVERYONE else in the Administration….and frankly most in Congress….

Aren’t worthy to lick the mud off Mr. Terry’s shoes.

Mr. President why do you hate the Terry family?

PappyD61 on June 21, 2012 at 10:57 PM

The WH has declared they turned over all of the documents regarding the Operation—ie, the operational phase of it. What about the concept, the planning, the resourcing that led up to the operation. Jay Carney is parsing words here and it is all in how you define “operation.”

Positively Clintonian. This kid has his tit in a wringer.

ted c on June 21, 2012 at 10:58 PM

7%—see my question above and consider tweeting that to JT, would ya?

ted c on June 21, 2012 at 10:59 PM

“Who authorized ‘Fast and Furious’…?”
Seven Percent Solution on June 21, 2012 at 10:44 PM

It’s not going to be who authorized it, it’s going to who they pin it on – who is going to be high up enough for it to look like it wasn’t Obama and that Holder was just following orders?

Will Hillary fall on her sword for Obama?

batterup on June 21, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Jay Carney knows 3 Hilary Rosens

Jay Carney has never heard of Brian Terry

batterup on June 21, 2012 at 8:54 PM

…I couldn’t be a White House reporter!…I’d be in jail all the time…for slugging that dork! I couldn’t just sit there!

KOOLAID2 on June 21, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Done and Done…!

:)

Seven Percent Solution on June 21, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Wouldnt it be nice if ANYONE ANYONE would stand up and defend Bush……from being the whipping boy for the boy king?

Bush you sucked defending yourself for 8 years…….and your failure keeps on giving.

Behold the self castrated gop!!!

PappyD61 on June 21, 2012 at 11:04 PM

7%—see my question above and consider tweeting that to JT, would ya?

ted c on June 21, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Ooops…

Done and Done…!

:)

Seven Percent Solution on June 21, 2012 at 11:04 PM

It’s not going to be who authorized it, it’s going to who they pin it on – who is going to be high up enough for it to look like it wasn’t Obama and that Holder was just following orders?

Will Hillary fall on her sword for Obama?

batterup on June 21, 2012 at 11:01 PM

There are not too many people that have the authority to direct the Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security, the State Department, the CIA, budget the money, resources, and personnel for inter agency cooperation…

… “The butler did it” isn’t going to fly.

Seven Percent Solution on June 21, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Pathetic.

redlucy on June 21, 2012 at 11:09 PM

thanks 7%….

*raises beer to ya*

ted c on June 21, 2012 at 11:27 PM

It’s not going to be who authorized it, it’s going to who they pin it on – who is going to be high up enough for it to look like it wasn’t Obama and that Holder was just following orders?

Will Hillary fall on her sword for Obama?

batterup on June 21, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Valerie Jarrett authorized it, and that’s why this must be covered up at all costs. Jarrett can’t go down, because she IS the Obama administration, as much as Obama is.

Hillary might have known about it, but she is too smart to have put anything into writing.

slickwillie2001 on June 21, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Are they “forgetting” for purposely not using it to try to trick us into thinking Brian Terry didn’t matter. A ‘man who died’ doesn’t resonate as much as a man with a name and a family.

artofcheatery on June 21, 2012 at 11:41 PM

I have no idea, but I do know that you guys come up with really cool names for your fake scandals.

crr6 on July 10, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 22, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Jay “The Clown” Carney usually strikes me a a pathetic dweeb. But his sorry performance today was beyond pathetic. It was despicable.

My 87 year old mother watched the briefing today. Later we were watching a clip from the briefing and she said to me, “How can he do that?”

I said, “Do what, Mom?” She said, “How can he lie like that? He has to know he is lying. How can he do that?”

I don’t know either. How can he do that?

novaculus on June 22, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Never thought I’d say this, but, Obama is not my president, Holder is not my AG, nor do any of these Washington hacks represent me.

I had respect for the offices, no more.

No one will ever force me to respect these lying sons of bitches.

Danny on June 22, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Jake Tapper ‏@jaketapper
@MVarley72 gun walking was done under Bush. thats true.

I have no idea what is the truth.

Blake on June 21, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Under Wide Receiver, the guns never “walked”. They were under constant surveillance by US law enforcement on this side of the border and then Mexican law enforcement when they crossed. Everybody involved knew where the guns were at all times.
In Fast and Furious,not only were the guns NOT continually watched, but Mexican law enforcement was never part of the ‘operation’. And, ATF agents were pulled away from houses where the guns were stored prior to shipment to Mexico – and, in fact, ordered NOT to follow them. It would almost seem as though the DoJ wanted the guns to be delivered to the cartels.

As an interesting side note, it seems that most – if not all – of the guns “traced’ back to US dealers after being “found” at murder scenes in Mexico were part of F&F. One can’t help but wonder why the guns – for which someone had paid a premium to be smuggled to Mexico – were tossed aside at the scene after being used once. It’s almost as though someone wanted those guns to be found and traced back to US dealers. That, of course, would be absurd, because it would indicate that someone in our DoJ had made an agreement with someone in the Mexican drug cartels. But, it’s something to consider.

Solaratov on June 22, 2012 at 1:51 AM

But he knows 3 THREE Hillary Rosens.

pat on June 22, 2012 at 1:53 AM

It’s not often I ask this question.
How can he live with his shame?

PXCharon on June 22, 2012 at 4:46 AM

It’s not often I ask this question.
How can he live with his shame?

PXCharon on June 22, 2012 at 4:46 AM

Why do you assume he has that capacity…just because most humans do?

SKYFOX on June 22, 2012 at 6:29 AM

One can’t help but wonder why the guns – for which someone had paid a premium to be smuggled to Mexico – were tossed aside at the scene after being used once. It’s almost as though someone wanted those guns to be found and traced back to US dealers. That, of course, would be absurd, because it would indicate that someone in our DoJ had made an agreement with someone in the Mexican drug cartels. But, it’s something to consider.

Solaratov on June 22, 2012 at 1:51 AM

This is a chilling thought.

txmomof6 on June 22, 2012 at 6:46 AM

If Holder is the hero here as he keeps telling us — the guy who found out about this Bush gunwalking operation and then ordered it stopped — then why not release the documents? If he’s the hero, why lie to Congress about what happened? Why provoke a contempt charge by hiding the documents that describe the plan to lie to Congress?

But anybody who doubts Holder’s story here is obviously just a raaaaacist who wants to suppress minority votes . . . or something.

AZCoyote on June 22, 2012 at 8:01 AM

Jay Carney is a prime example of why children should be seen and not heard.

Bevan on June 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM

Military, law enforcement and infants are disposal life for the Democrat party. They old them all in contempt and see no loss in their death.

Hening on June 22, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Holder & Obama broke the law and people died. Now they want to cover it up.

Robert Jensen on June 22, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Tool.

JFS61 on June 22, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Someone needs to ask, the next time they blame Bush, how many people died as a result of Operation Wide Reciever? They also need to ask what progress the IG has made over the past year in his/her investigation? And when will we see what the IG has found out? I would also like someone to bring one of the thousands of pages that are completely redacted to the press conference and ask Carney what information these thousands of pages have provided to congress?

magicbeans on June 22, 2012 at 10:35 AM

OK, ON THREE!

1-2-3!

ALL TOGETHER NOW!

MORON!!!!!

pilamaye on June 22, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Just like Rush said If it was bush fault, why not bring out the documents? If this has bush’s name written all over this then why hide?

jaboba on June 22, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Baghdad Bob’s love child.

RBMN on June 21, 2012 at 8:47 PM

..the festering, putrifying afterbirth of Baghdad Bob’s love child.

The War Planner on June 22, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Why would anybody on Team Obama bother to learn the name of a broken egg?

rayra on June 22, 2012 at 12:35 PM

“It’s a shame ol’ what’s his name was killed by our policies, policies that were created under President Bush, the President who also caused our economic crisis and pocketed money from oil cartels, and his capitalist cronies, but I digress…we are deeply sorry that President Bush killed what’s his name.”

right2bright on June 22, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Short itemized list of differences between Operation Wide Receiver under Bush and Operation Fast and Furious (Gunwalker) under Obama:
http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com/2012/06/differences-between-bushs-wide-receiver.html

onlineanalyst on June 22, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Terry’s name may not translate well into Clownspeak…

claudius on June 22, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Why did Carney say ‘That’s why WE have provided all the documents….”?

He also misspoke when he said that Holder’s DOJ ended the Bush program Wide Receiver. Wrong. Mukasey ended it under Bush when they learned that despite putting tracking devices on the weapons and continuing surveillance with an aim to make seizures and arrests, some 300 weapons eluded surveillance and disappeared across the border.

It is also instructive to note that there never was an attempt to cover up Wide Receiver, nor were there to my knowledge, any whistle blowers who came forward in WR. Maybe because there was no need to?

No way local ATF agents conceived this insane scheme. It had to come from the highest level of DOJ and ultimately, the WH.

If the last 48 hours is any indication, the claim of executive privilege and the contempt vote is now forcing the MSM to cover this story-even if they try to put their own spin on it.

Gary Fouse
DEA retired

gary fouse on June 22, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Jay Carney forgets Brian Terry’s name.
Coincidence? How much more evidence is needed that Obama is guilty of his murder?
That, along with the second gunman on the grassy knoll, is enough to convince me.
Now can we get back to the serious issues that are facing our country…like producing the real birth certificate?

greataunty on June 22, 2012 at 3:34 PM

The deceit goes deeper. Look at this newest information:
http://azpundit.com/report-brian-terry-murder-suspect-an-fbi-informant/

onlineanalyst on June 22, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Wow, Azpundit, PJMedia, Washington Times, multiple “unnamed sources”…gee, didn’t they also uncover the fake landing on the moon? I hope Hannity reveals all this on his show tonight.
Something is definitely getting deeper alright.

greataunty on June 22, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Something is definitely getting deeper alright.

greataunty on June 22, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Around your ankles?

itsspideyman on June 22, 2012 at 6:50 PM

May God always Bless and keep Tapper.

Theophile on June 23, 2012 at 1:16 AM

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