Quotes of the day

posted at 10:00 pm on June 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

The House committee investigating Fast and Furious has received more than 7,600 documents from the Justice Department, but Republican lawmakers say none addresses who approved the gunrunning probe, who failed to stop it before a U.S. Border Patrol agent was killed and why department officials initially lied to Congress about it.

Now the panel has its sights set on an additional 1,300 pages of documents it believes will answer those questions and also expose a political cover-up at Justice…

The committee said it is concerned about and wants to see documents outlining continued complaints by whistleblowers that they faced retaliation after testifying about the program; allegations by the former acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) that Justice Department officials sought to protect political appointees; and the nine-month delay before the department formally withdrew its false denial to Congress about allowing guns to flow over the border to Mexico.

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The Republicans shamelessly turned what should be a routine matter into a pointless constitutional confrontation. And the White House responded as most administrations do at some point: it invoked executive privilege to make a political problem go away…

Mr. Issa has relished making this investigation a political fight. Last week, he seemed to bait Mr. Holder when he said in a statement, “the Obama administration has not asserted executive privilege or any other valid privilege,” so it could not refuse to produce the materials…

Executive privilege cannot and should not be allowed to shield the executive branch from regular, valuable Congressional oversight. There was no reason the House committee and the Justice Department could not work out a deal to produce the documents requested, or some form of them. Instead, they show again that every issue, large or small, can be turned into ammunition for political combat.

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Executive privilege has legitimate uses — and illegitimate uses. For instance, it is not intended to be used merely to protect the president from political embarrassment stemming from grievous errors in judgment by members of his cabinet or officers of the departments over which they preside. There is good reason to believe that in this case the privilege is being abused.

Fast and Furious became public knowledge only when dissatisfied agents within the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives blew the whistle on the program after the murder of Brian Terry, a Border Patrol agent gunned down by criminals wielding semiautomatic rifles, at least two of which were sold to arms traffickers with the foreknowledge of the Justice Department as part of the program. Congress has the right to make inquiries of the executive branch in the course of undertaking its constitutional lawmaking duties — for example, while studying whether to pass laws forbidding U.S. law-enforcement agencies to knowingly allow bloodthirsty drug cartels to acquire firearms. In such situations, executive privilege is by no means absolute. The privilege is qualified and contingent. One limiting factor is an allegation of official misconduct, and there is reason to believe that official misconduct has occurred in this case, not least Holder’s conflicting and inconsistent accounts of the case and the presence of evidence suggesting that his accounts have been in some part untrue. Indeed, the claim of executive privilege will only increase the sense that Holder has been more dishonest in his congressional testimony than is already evident.

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Lawyers said Tuesday that whatever the law may allow, judges might be reluctant to referee the Fast and Furious executive privilege fight because of the tens of thousands of pages of documents in dispute.

“It’s not like the Nixon tapes, which was defined, finite and you could get your arms around,” Brand said.

What does seem certain is that such a legal dispute would not be definitively resolved by the time Obama is up for reelection in November, so the verdict at that time will have to come from the court of public opinion — not the actual courts.

“It won’t get resolved in six months,” Tiefer said confidently. “These things take longer.”

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I posed a question before Holder was confirmed that seems a lot more pressing now: How would Holder fare under the criteria for attorney general fitness that Democrats applied to Alberto Gonzales? Recall that Attorney General Gonzales was run out of town by Democrats and their media minions based on (a) a trumped up scandal that was not a crime (presidents do not need a reason to remove U.S. attorneys); (b) a scandal that was trumped up because what Bush did, comparatively, was child’s play (he fired eight U.S. attorneys whereas Clinton, for no cause other than patronage, fired 92 of them); and (c) the allegation that Gonzales and his subordinates had provided false information to Congress — and when it emerged that this provision of false information was probably not intentional, Senate Democrats inveighed that Gonzales still had to go because an attorney general, by their lights, is unfit to serve if lawmakers cannot trust that he is informing Congress accurately, regardless of whether this is due to mendacity or incompetence.

When I raised this in connection with Holder, it was due to an actual, outrageous scandal he already had under his belt when Obama nominated him: the Marc Rich pardon, an episode of sheer corruption in which Holder was a central figure and as to which, as I have demonstrated, he provided Congress with testimony that, to put it charitably, was grossly inaccurate. But that was nothing compared to Fast and Furious, which involves the reckless provision of over a thousand weapons to murderous foreign drug cartels, the foreseeable resultant murders of scores of people, the killing of a federal law enforcement officer, multiple instances of providing false information to the investigating congressional committee, and — we now know — the obstruction of Congress by reliance on a specious “privilege” with no basis in law . . . certainly not as a rationale for stonewalling Congress.

If Holder were a Republican — well, never mind: If Holder were a Republican, he’d never have survived the FALN pardons, never mind Marc Rich; and a Republican president would never have nominated him because he’d know the Democrats would never spinelessly roll over and confirm him.

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Not me personally, anyone really…but I am going to conclude it is impossible…

I sure never want to be First!!!! Oh Nooooooooooo…

Scrumpy on June 22, 2012 at 3:29 AM

Del Dolemonte left a challenge…said I’d achieve “astronautic” status or somthing…one can try…I got nothing better to do right now…

Scrumpy on June 22, 2012 at 3:27 AM

Del told you that? Must be true./ Scrumpy what is your nic linked to?

Bmore on June 22, 2012 at 3:30 AM

Not.gonna.happen.Scrumpy…

Gohawgs on June 22, 2012 at 3:07 AM

It didn’t happen till the afternoon on yesterdays QOTD. And Allah had the last word. ^^U

Betenoire on June 22, 2012 at 3:30 AM

Bmore on June 22, 2012 at 3:30 AM

A “drama” button, it’s safe…fun and safe…

Scrumpy on June 22, 2012 at 3:32 AM

Ohhhhhhhhh page 5 with chit chat…

Scrumpy on June 22, 2012 at 3:34 AM

Betenoire on June 22, 2012 at 3:30 AM

That’s where it came from, thanks, well can’t anyone be last then. Was fun tho…

I do believe I shall turn in now.

Goodnight all, sleep well…

Scrumpy on June 22, 2012 at 3:36 AM

Pleasant Dreams Scrumpy.

Bmore on June 22, 2012 at 3:38 AM

Gohawgs on June 22, 2012 at 3:24 AM

Will do..:)
PS..Good to see you!..)

Dire Straits on June 22, 2012 at 3:39 AM

Betenoire, which QOTD ?

Bmore on June 22, 2012 at 3:41 AM

Bmore,DS

Thanks guys…

Gohawgs on June 22, 2012 at 3:41 AM

Bmore on June 22, 2012 at 3:25 AM

I’m back..:)

Dire Straits on June 22, 2012 at 3:42 AM

So Holder got in-though he should have had a battle beyond most with his previous record? That old comb9nation of political-correctness and GOP limpness has take its toll upon America–again.

Don L on June 22, 2012 at 3:42 AM

Dire, what are we listening to ?

Bmore on June 22, 2012 at 3:42 AM

Bmore on June 22, 2012 at 3:42 AM

???..I’m listening KISS..:)

Dire Straits on June 22, 2012 at 3:53 AM

Bmore on June 22, 2012 at 3:42 AM

???..I’m listening to KISS..:)

Dire Straits on June 22, 2012 at 3:53 AM

Fixed..Sorry I must have had a bad copy!..My bad..:)

Dire Straits on June 22, 2012 at 3:56 AM

Good Night All.

Bmore on June 22, 2012 at 3:58 AM

Bmore on June 22, 2012 at 3:42 AM

???..I’m listening to KISS..:)

Dire Straits on June 22, 2012 at 3:53 AM

Fixed..Sorry I must have had a bad copy!..My bad..:)

Dire Straits on June 22, 2012 at 3:56 AM

That’s why it wouldn’t play. I thought it was this iPad thingy. It can’t play everything on YouTube. Did you ever find the kiss video with the mostly neckid women, the banned video? If I find it sometime I’ll pass it along to you. You’d like it I think.: ) night Dire, see ya tomorrow.

Bmore on June 22, 2012 at 4:02 AM

Bmore on June 22, 2012 at 3:58 AM

Enjoyed it!..Later..:)

Dire Straits on June 22, 2012 at 4:03 AM

Bmore on June 22, 2012 at 4:02 AM

I’m sorry for pulling a bad copy..See you tomorrow!!..Be good..:)

Dire Straits on June 22, 2012 at 4:04 AM

Oh boy,it looks like Jay Carney had a
Progressive Temper-Tantrum!!
_______________________________

NYT:
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Jay Carney Made an ‘Angry Phone Call’ to Fox Exec.
Following Anti-Obama Video
Posted on June 21, 2012 at 12:58pm
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White House press secretary Jay Carney made an “angry phone call” to a Fox News executive

after the network aired a scathing video review last month of President Barack Obama’s first three years in office,

the New York Times reported.

According to the Times, Carney told Michael Clemente, Fox News’ senior vice president for news, that the video had crossed the line even for “Fox & Friends,” the morning show where it aired. Two unnamed Democrats reportedly told the newspaper about the call, described as a “private conversation.”

(Related: Jay Carney Attacks Fox Reporter During Presser — You‘re Engaging in ’Selective Listening’)

As The Blaze previously reported, the four-minute clip featured a series of “then and now” comparisons, including the national debt, jobless rate and gas prices. It was met with heavy criticism from both sides of the political spectrum: Media Matters said it “crossed a new ethical line” while Hot Air’s Ed Morrissey questioned whether “a news organization [should] produce and publish attack ads like this?”

Fox News Executive Vice President for Programming Bill Shine ultimately disavowed the video, which has been pulled from Fox’s website.

“The package that aired on FOX & Friends was created by an associate producer and was not authorized at the senior executive level of the network,” Shine said in a statement. “This has been addressed with the show’s producers.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/nyt-jay-carney-made-an-angry-phone-call-to-fox-exec-following-anti-obama-video/

canopfor on June 22, 2012 at 4:52 AM

its almost 6am here. another day is dawning. amnesty mitt essentially mute on the Fast and Furious, as it the politically smart thing to do.

what a sad day.

renalin on June 22, 2012 at 5:58 AM

on moaning joke jose diaz-balart ectastic that mitt no longer talking about self deportation and that he’s softening his tone. states its mitts best speech.

mittamnesty 2012

renalin on June 22, 2012 at 6:11 AM

If this is true, that Ed panned this, I am very disappointed in him,
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/nyt-jay-carney-made-an-angry-phone-call-to-fox-exec-following-anti-obama-video/
The truth shall set you free….if you let it.

txmomof6 on June 22, 2012 at 6:42 AM

T G I F
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i sure hope this little EP that dear leader envoke backfires….big time…..

cmsinaz on June 22, 2012 at 6:44 AM

renalin on June 22, 2012 at 6:11 AM

oh boy….lots of lib talking heads said they were happy he sounded softer on immigration…

cmsinaz on June 22, 2012 at 6:45 AM

canopfor on June 22, 2012 at 4:52 AM

it almost makes you miss gibbsy…..almost

cmsinaz on June 22, 2012 at 6:46 AM

canopfor on June 22, 2012 at 4:52 AM

nevermind the 24.7 lovefest on msdnc and their antil GOP rhetoric

puhleeze

cmsinaz on June 22, 2012 at 6:48 AM

I’m going to start this morning asking the same questions I did yesterday morning.

WHO authorized Operation Fast and Furious?

WHAT was the real intended purpose of the operation?

WHEN did the boy king first learn of the operation?

WHY would the boy king invoke executive privilege if they have nothing to hide?

Flora Duh on June 22, 2012 at 6:51 AM

Flora Duh on June 22, 2012 at 6:51 AM

excellent questions Flora…
crickets chirping

cmsinaz on June 22, 2012 at 6:54 AM

Fast & Furious Gun Scandal: Is This the Obama Administration’s Greatest Cover-Up?

Author and journalist Katie Pavlich talks to Glenn Reynolds about the Fast and Furious firearms scandal that resulted in the murder of a Border Patrol agent.

Flora Duh on June 22, 2012 at 7:08 AM

so the consensus on moaning joke is that its Fast and Furious is just political. boehner won’t push it in an election year, and in the end, its about jobs.

the old media no longer has power. we to continue to push this story forward.

renalin on June 22, 2012 at 7:15 AM

Flora Duh on June 22, 2012 at 7:08 AM

its shameful she’s not getting the recognition on other stations…

renalin on June 22, 2012 at 7:15 AM

hear hear….they will sweep this under the rug as best they can

cmsinaz on June 22, 2012 at 7:20 AM

Executive privilege has legitimate uses — and illegitimate uses. For instance, it is not intended to be used merely to protect the president from political embarrassment stemming from grievous errors in judgment by members of his cabinet or officers of the departments over which they preside. There is good reason to believe that in this case the privilege is being abused.

From a December 20, 2007 Q&A between the Boston Globe and then Senator Barak Obama.

Q. Does executive privilege cover testimony or documents about decision-making within the executive branch not involving confidential advice communicated to the president himself?

A. With respect to the “core” of executive privilege, the Supreme Court has not resolved this question, and reasonable people have debated it. My view is that executive privilege generally depends on the involvement of the President and the White House.

emphasis mine.

Flora Duh on June 22, 2012 at 7:21 AM

so the consensus on moaning joke is that its Fast and Furious is just political. boehner won’t push it in an election year, and in the end, its about jobs.

the old media no longer has power. we to continue to push this story forward.

renalin on June 22, 2012 at 7:15 AM

Me thinks (and prays) they may be underestimating Boehner’s resolve on this.

Boehner: Terry Family Deserves Answers on ‘Fast & Furious’

“The American people deserve the truth about what happened in ‘Fast and Furious’,” said Speaker Boehner. And “the Terry family deserves answers about why their son was killed as a result of an operation run by the United States government.”

The White House has unfortunately stonewalled the investigation into “Fast and Furious” and Agent Terry’s death, and derided it as “political theater.” Their actions have included providing (and then retracting) false statements and withholding thousands of documents from Congress.

The House will vote next week to hold the Attorney General in contempt of Congress for failing to fully cooperate, unless he produces the requested documents prior to the scheduled vote.

Flora Duh on June 22, 2012 at 7:30 AM

david gregory will have rubio and issa on this sunday…meachum says make him explain fast and furious…dude it’s been out there for almost 2 years, why didn’t you report on it since the beginning….

idiot

cmsinaz on June 22, 2012 at 7:37 AM

Morning all. Just woke up to hear mush-mouth Eugene Robinson say:
“I just don’t think anyone is excited about this election.”

HA! I guess Zero’s new numbers must be awful. Every (R) I know is chomping at the bit for November 6 to get here!

Marcus on June 22, 2012 at 7:38 AM

Me thinks (and prays) they may be underestimating Boehner’s resolve on this.
Flora Duh on June 22, 2012 at 7:30 AM

If I am not mistaken, Boehner has seen the wiretap application documents, which are likely incredibly damning. May help his resolve.

txmomof6 on June 22, 2012 at 7:38 AM

cmsinaz on June 22, 2012 at 7:37 AM

Sounds like a great MTP. Two people I DON’T worry about dealing with David Gregory are Rubio and Issa.

Marcus on June 22, 2012 at 7:40 AM

david gregory will have rubio and issa on this sunday…meachum says make him explain fast and furious…dude it’s been out there for almost 2 years, why didn’t you report on it since the beginning….

idiot

cmsinaz on June 22, 2012 at 7:37 AM

“It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.”

Flora Duh on June 22, 2012 at 7:40 AM

david gregory will have rubio and issa on this sunday…meachum says make him explain fast and furious…dude it’s been out there for almost 2 years, why didn’t you report on it since the beginning….

idiot

cmsinaz on June 22, 2012 at 7:37 AM

Wonder if he will ask Issa why he thinks the F&F guns were left at the scenes of the crimes.

txmomof6 on June 22, 2012 at 7:42 AM

Marcus on June 22, 2012 at 7:40 AM

you know it buddy….

Flora Duh on June 22, 2012 at 7:40 AM

thank you
-grasshopper

txmomof6 on June 22, 2012 at 7:42 AM

he’ll ask his usual asinine questions try to play gotcha…

cmsinaz on June 22, 2012 at 7:53 AM

Morning all. Just woke up to hear mush-mouth Eugene Robinson say:
“I just don’t think anyone is excited about this election.”

HA! I guess Zero’s new numbers must be awful. Every (R) I know is chomping at the bit for November 6 to get here!

Marcus on June 22, 2012 at 7:38 AM

After the past few disastrous weeks the boy king has had, I’m sure that’s the prevailing train of thought in the WaPo echo chamber.

Eugene needs to visit sites like to Hot Air for a different perspective. Or, maybe he has and that’s what has him so glum. :-)

If I am not mistaken, Boehner has seen the wiretap application documents, which are likely incredibly damning. May help his resolve.

txmomof6 on June 22, 2012 at 7:38 AM

I hope so.

Flora Duh on June 22, 2012 at 7:54 AM

I hope so.

Flora Duh on June 22, 2012 at 7:54 AM

me too

cmsinaz on June 22, 2012 at 7:58 AM

How could the same editorial be so right…

The best course for Holder and the White House is to give Congress what it wants, and if that information makes people in the Justice Department look bad, right up to an including Holder, they should suffer the consequences. History shows that hunkering down only makes matters worse as people legitimately begin to wonder what the administration has to hide.

…yet so wrong?

There is no reason to believe the Justice Department controversy is on the scale of Watergate, but the underlying issues that led to Wednesday’s contempt vote are no small matter.

Flora Duh on June 22, 2012 at 8:05 AM

Morning all. Just woke up to hear mush-mouth Eugene Robinson say:
“I just don’t think anyone is excited about this election.”

Marcus on June 22, 2012 at 7:38 AM

LOL! Talk about trying to surpress the vote! Libs bordering on commies like Robinson don’t want high turnout in November to keep the boychild in office.

Happy Nomad on June 22, 2012 at 8:15 AM

LOVING the Morning Joe first hour replay.

Joe Scarborough and Mike Barnacle are SHOCKED! SHOCKED! SHOCKED! over this “Fast and Furious” thing they apparently just heard about yesterday. Why haven’t heads rolled? Who ordered this? Why don’t news reports cover this?

Marcus on June 22, 2012 at 8:15 AM

Yepper Marcus

Mika wants to defend dear leader so bad but stays silent

cmsinaz on June 22, 2012 at 8:19 AM

That, of course, would be absurd strategy, because it would indicate that someone in our DoJ had made an agreement with someone in the Mexican drug cartels. But, it’s something to consider.

Solaratov on June 22, 2012 at 1:51 AM

Thursday, April 16th, 2009:

More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States.” Barack Obama

How do we make a lie the truth?

Fallon on June 22, 2012 at 8:27 AM

O/T, sort of. The OWS defense of Obama has failed. The next distraction has started.

kingsjester on June 22, 2012 at 8:39 AM

Hey KJ

That is a back burner distraction that moves to the front frequently

Good take

cmsinaz on June 22, 2012 at 8:45 AM

Thank you, ma’am. Libfree was trying to use it in the little old lady on the bus thread yesterday.

kingsjester on June 22, 2012 at 8:47 AM

KJ

I can believe that

cmsinaz on June 22, 2012 at 8:56 AM

What did Mr. Terry mean when he said, “Brian wasn’t even supposed to be working that night”?

stenwin77 on June 22, 2012 at 10:13 AM

What did Mr. Terry mean when he said, “Brian wasn’t even supposed to be working that night”?

stenwin77

Was he set up to be murdered?

stenwin77 on June 22, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Was he set up to be murdered?

stenwin77 on June 22, 2012 at 10:13 AM

FBI and DEA both knew that an informer with a crew was operating in that area. Neither agency advised Border Patrol. The informant was armed with an SKS rifle, which happens to use the same ammunition as the AKS rifles also found at the scene. (AKS = semi-auto commercial version of AK-47). Many questions remain about his role.

Here area a couple of links:

Fox

Third Gun Linked to F&F Found ar Brian Terry’s Murder Scene

Examiner:

New Information Names Kingpin FBI Protecting in Brian Terry Murder

Google “Brian Terry Murder FBI Informant” for more links. I recommend anyone with question about Gunrunner or F&F go here:

Sipsey Street Irregulars

These guys broke the story, and have very complete information at their site.

novaculus on June 22, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Google “Brian Terry Murder FBI Informant” for more links. I recommend anyone with question about Gunrunner or F&F go here:

Sipsey Street Irregulars

These guys broke the story, and have very complete information at their site.

novaculus

Thanks for the info. I’ll check it out.

stenwin77 on June 22, 2012 at 1:19 PM

stenwin77 on June 22, 2012 at 1:19 PM

You are welcome. Good hunting!

novaculus on June 22, 2012 at 2:04 PM

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