Gallup: For the first time, a majority of Americans say they’d vote for an atheist for president

posted at 7:51 pm on June 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

Alternate headline: “Blogger’s plan to be president by 2040 still on track.”

Note to The One: You can admit it now.

I’ve blogged a bunch of these Gallup polls over the years and my demographic has always been at the bottom of the barrel preference-wise. But things are improving: In 2007, just 45 percent said they’d vote for an atheist, then last year it crept up to 49 percent. Now we’re over the hump at 54. I wonder why. It’s not like the “new atheism” suddenly exploded onto the national scene over the past six months, and to hear believers tell it, the new atheism is more likely to alienate people than persuade them. Maybe, maybe not. What you’re seeing here, I think, is the fruit of normalization: It’s not so much that people are becoming more sympathetic to atheism (although that might be true) than that, as atheists become more visible culturally, people see for themselves that we’re not that weird or threatening. Acceptance of gays works along the same lines, of course, except that they’re further along than we are. For a vivid illustration of that, follow the Gallup link up top and check out the breakdown among different age groups. Young adults react to gays and atheists similarly; older adults, not so much. Note the trendlines in the table I posted above, too. Thirty-five years ago, atheists held a double-digit lead on this question over gays. Today, the opposite is true.

This isn’t much of a partisan issue, either:

I’d love to see the demographic split on Democrats who would and wouldn’t vote for a nonbeliever. If, say, 90 percent of limousine liberals are willing to vote for an atheist, how low must the percentage be among blue-collar Dems? Ah well. Suffice it to say, it’s still risky even for a secretly atheist liberal pol to admit his lack of faith publicly.

Oh, and as for the elephant in the room, 24 percent of Democrats admit that they won’t vote for a Mormon versus just 10 percent of Republicans who say so. Overall, 18 percent of adults say they wouldn’t; a year ago, it was 22 percent. The reason that number has shrunk is almost entirely due to GOPers becoming more comfortable with a Mormon nominee as Romney advanced through the primaries. Last year, 80 percent of Republicans said they’d be willing to vote for a Mormon. This year, 90 percent say so. Mitt’s made a difference to future elections even if he doesn’t win this one.


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but it can’t be any kookier than worshipping a zombie messiah like Jesus.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 8:40 PM

You know if an atheist wants to discredit the Bible; he or she might want to study the document he wishes to discredit. Hint: Jesus was not a zombie even in traditional horror movie sense– you would be closer if you used a sleeping beauty analogy.

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Allah, I know it’s a wee bit early for a question like this. Have you thought about your VP and who you might be interested in having on your ticket?

Bmore on June 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

It’s obviously Meggie Mac.

Gladtobehere on June 21, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Bill the Cat.

davidk on June 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

. Have you seen Expelled by Mark Ben Stein? They believe the same nutty ideas most of those religon hating scientists believe in.

jawkneemusic on June 21, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Bueller?

Rio Linda Refugee on June 21, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Don’t know what ideas are expressed in Prometheus, but it can’t be any kookier than worshipping a zombie messiah like Jesus.
Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Zombies dead. And they’re not real. Jesus is alive and very much real. Nice to see though that you just proved our point about how too many atheists are just bigots and filled with content towards those who try to walk with Christ. Keep it up. You’re going wonders for your cause hater.

jawkneemusic on June 21, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Bueller?
Rio Linda Refugee on June 21, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Whoops, your right. Sorry. Just got done listening to Mark on Hugh Hewitt.

jawkneemusic on June 21, 2012 at 8:49 PM

They probably thought the question was: “Would you vote for an anesthetist for president?”

TheClearRiver on June 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Bill the Cat.

davidk on June 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

I don’t think he can win with Bill. Meggie Mac might be able available.

Gladtobehere on June 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM

I know but they think we were created by extraterrestrials from another galaxy rather than created by a God or diety while claiming to be atheists. Have you seen Expelled by Mark Stein? They believe the same nutty ideas most of those religon hating scientists believe in.

jawkneemusic on June 21, 2012 at 8:44 PM

How do you know they believe in the same nutty ideas? For example, where do these extraterrestrials stand on gay marriage, abortion, etc.?

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

SWalker on June 21, 2012 at 8:32 PM

LOL! Good one – but not true.

OldEnglish on June 21, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Oh really.

Titus 1:12-13

New International Version (NIV)

12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”[a] 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith

SWalker on June 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Zombies dead. And they’re not real. Jesus is alive and very much real. Nice to see though that you just proved our point about how too many atheists are just bigots and filled with content towards those who try to walk with Christ. Keep it up. You’re going wonders for your cause hater.

jawkneemusic on June 21, 2012 at 8:47 PM

What I don’t understand about atheists is if they really feel that believers are that ignorant- why do they waste their time with disparaging remarks.. Wouldn’t believers be so far below their notice why take the time to insult their beliefs. Or are they just a bunch of juveniles who aren’t really secure in what they believe in?

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

A Mormon believes in God and His Son . . . atheists don’t. Very simple as that.

Voter from WA State on June 21, 2012 at 8:47 PM

So you would not vote for someone based solely on the fact that they happen to not be Christian? That’s it? So you’d happily vote for an ultra-liberal Christian over a conservative atheist?

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Meh. What I had in mind was an android immune to all the idiotic whims of office because it had no emotions, and couldn’t be swayed by anything short of solid logical arguments. Your milage may vary.

MelonCollie on June 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Sounds like Asminov’s “I Robot” to me.

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Meggie Mac might be able available.

Gladtobehere on June 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Oh, I’m sure she’s available.

davidk on June 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

ultra-liberal Christian over a conservative atheist?

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Oxymoron

Rio Linda Refugee on June 21, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Jesus was not a zombie even in traditional horror movie sense– you would be closer if you used a sleeping beauty analogy.

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

He was crucified, he died on the cross then came back to life. Face it, your messiah is a zombie. It sounds silly because it is.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Obama’s presser tomorrow:

“I have to confess that I am an atheist.”

AubieJon on June 21, 2012 at 8:42 PM

LOL! You KNOW that’s going to happen. And then?

/Plouffe
Down go the polls!

“Out go the lights”

Key West Reader on June 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

You need Jesus more than any of us.

jawkneemusic on June 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM

We all need Jesus, equally…

OmahaConservative on June 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

jawkneemusic on June 21, 2012 at 8:44 PM

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How do you know they believe in the same nutty ideas? For example, where do these extraterrestrials stand on gay marriage, abortion, etc.?

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

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Why do you hate the practice of “recognition of God”?

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Meggie Mac might be able available.

Gladtobehere on June 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM
Oh, I’m sure she’s available.

davidk on June 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Nah, I hear she’s booked. She’s got private dates with Ronald McDonald and Rico Taco Bell

Key West Reader on June 21, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Don’t know what ideas are expressed in Prometheus, but it can’t be any kookier than worshipping a zombie messiah like Jesus.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Read some scripture then get back to us. Otherwise you just sound extremely ignorant and obnoxious.

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I know but they think we were created by extraterrestrials from another galaxy rather than created by a God or diety while claiming to be atheists. Have you seen Expelled by Mark Stein? They believe the same nutty ideas most of those religon hating scientists believe in.

jawkneemusic on June 21, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Have you introduced them to Tom Cruise and Scientology?

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Read some scripture then get back to us. Otherwise you just sound extremely ignorant and obnoxious.

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Don’t cast your pearls, dear.

Key West Reader on June 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

SWalker on June 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Origin late 18th cent: from french cretin, from Swiss French crestin (Christian) – used as a reminder that cretins were human and not beasts.

OldEnglish on June 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

He was crucified, he died on the cross then came back to life. Face it, your messiah is a zombie. It sounds silly because it is.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Jesus wasn’t a Zombie. For the definitive definition of a Zombie, see this Bob Hope clip.

Gladtobehere on June 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

What I don’t understand about atheists is if they really feel that believers are that ignorant- why do they waste their time with disparaging remarks.. Wouldn’t believers be so far below their notice why take the time to insult their beliefs. Or are they just a bunch of juveniles who aren’t really secure in what they believe in?
melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I think it’s because once they deny The Father, Christ, and the Holy Spirit, many become Satan’s puppets for the anti-God/Christian cause. It doesn’t mean they become Evil people. Just means their deceived into peddling Satan’s lies. Notice they mostly go after Christians? My atheist friends will make excuses and defend Islam all day long while taking shots at Christians and accusing them of wating to take over the world with their “oppressive theocracy.

jawkneemusic on June 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

He was crucified, he died on the cross then came back to life. Face it, your messiah is a zombie. It sounds silly because it is.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

You atheists are some of the most ignorant arrogant people I meet.. I never anywhere in my post said I was a Christian. I remarked to you what the Bible says about Jesus… I also can give you what the Koran says, and the Torah… I didn’t give you my religion you bigoted ignoramous. Stop repeating canned atheists lines you learned on the internet and actually learn something about what you insult like an eight year old child. If you don’t, it isn’t believers that look ignorant it is you.. You look the the heckler in the audience that wants no one to enjoy the performance..

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

What I don’t understand about atheists is if they really feel that believers are that ignorant- why do they waste their time with disparaging remarks.. Wouldn’t believers be so far below their notice why take the time to insult their beliefs. Or are they just a bunch of juveniles who aren’t really secure in what they believe in?

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Because believers use their beliefs as justification for trying to dictate the lifestyles of others.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 8:57 PM

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Don’t cast your pearls, dear.

Key West Reader on June 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

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Awwwwwwwwwwww . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (foot stomping hissy fit).

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:02 PM

He was crucified, he died on the cross then came back to life. Face it, your messiah is a zombie. It sounds silly because it is.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

You enjoy being obnoxious, don’t you. If you do not understand the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ, try cracking open a book and learning rather than trying to instigate Christians into a pissing match on the internet.

This atheist who loves to goad Christians is why many would not vote for an atheist. They enjoy mocking others’ faith yet have no coherent thoughts of their own.

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Origin late 18th cent: from french cretin, from Swiss French crestin (Christian) – used as a reminder that cretins were human and not beasts.

OldEnglish on June 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Meh.. Revisionist history. The bible predate 18th century French Nihilistic historical revisionism by about 17 centuries.

SWalker on June 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM

I think it’s because once they deny The Father, Christ, and the Holy Spirit, many become Satan’s puppets for the anti-God/Christian cause. It doesn’t mean they become Evil people. Just means their deceived into peddling Satan’s lies. Notice they mostly go after Christians? My atheist friends will make excuses and defend Islam all day long while taking shots at Christians and accusing them of wating to take over the world with their “oppressive theocracy.

jawkneemusic on June 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

There is a difference between someone who is an atheist and someone who is an anti-theist. One is just somebody who just doesn’t believe in religion. The other is somebody who believes that all religion is evil, and that all believers must be openly mocked.

And just because atheists want to fight against certain Christians who believe that is it ok to force their beliefs on the entire country via laws, that doesn’t mean that they believe that Christians or any other religious people should be oppressed.

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:05 PM

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

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Because believers use their beliefs as justification for trying to dictate the lifestyles of others.

Go RBNY
on June 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

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Touche.

I believe the United States should be using the Holy Bible as the basis for defining right and wrong.
I also believe that was the intent of the Founding Fathers.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Because believers use their beliefs as justification for trying to dictate the lifestyles of others.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Really or do lifestyles also use their lifestyle choice to dictate the beliefs of others.. I think it works both ways… Or do the HHS mandate mean anything.. Or the photographer in New Mexico who got sued or the cake baker who got sued mean anything to you..

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Meggie Mac might be able available.

Gladtobehere on June 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM
Oh, I’m sure she’s available.

davidk on June 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Nah, I hear she’s booked. She’s got private dates with Ronald McDonald and Rico Taco Bell

Key West Reader on June 21, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I’m sure that AP, also known as the Pizza Hut, could change her mind.

Gladtobehere on June 21, 2012 at 9:06 PM

The ability to practice religion freely is guaranteed in the 1st Amendment. There’s a reason it’s there. To protect people of fair from the domineering ways of man in trying to subjugate him.

It’s no surprise that communist states first try to stamp out religion. They don’t want the competition for the hearts and minds of their subjects.

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:07 PM

And just because atheists want to fight against certain Christians who believe that is it ok to force their beliefs on the entire country via laws, that doesn’t mean that they believe that Christians or any other religious people should be oppressed.

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Name ONE law that CHristians have tried to CHANGE in the last thirty yeas to go by their beliefs? AND YOU CAN’T USE CASE WHERE THEY WERE FIGHTING other from trying to change laws… Guess what bet you can’t do it.. Christians/religious people haven’t forced anything.. THey have been fighting people forcing things on THEM!

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:08 PM

SWalker on June 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Nevertheless, that’s where the word cretin originates. Cretan, on the other hand ….

OldEnglish on June 21, 2012 at 9:09 PM

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Thank you!

OldEnglish on June 21, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Really or do lifestyles also use their lifestyle choice to dictate the beliefs of others.. I think it works both ways… Or do the HHS mandate mean anything.. Or the photographer in New Mexico who got sued or the cake baker who got sued mean anything to you..

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:06 PM

He won’t acknowledge that there’s been an attack on organized religion by the secular left for the past 50 years because he agrees with the results. He’s just the fool hoping the crocodile will eat him last.

Religion doesn’t encroach on society. It was here first. It’s modernism and her perverse spawn of an “anything goes” belief system that creates the issues he’s focusing on. It also creates those cretins that were on the school bus targeting an elderly woman.

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:10 PM

The ability to practice religion freely is guaranteed in the 1st Amendment. There’s a reason it’s there. To protect people of fair from the domineering ways of man in trying to subjugate him.

It’s no surprise that communist states first try to stamp out religion. They don’t want the competition for the hearts and minds of their subjects.

njrob
on June 21, 2012 at 9:07 PM

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Right-on.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Name ONE law that CHristians have tried to CHANGE in the last thirty yeas to go by their beliefs? AND YOU CAN’T USE CASE WHERE THEY WERE FIGHTING other from trying to change laws… Guess what bet you can’t do it.. Christians/religious people haven’t forced anything.. THey have been fighting people forcing things on THEM!

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:08 PM

I can and will name several laws that were created and justified based almost entirely on religious reasons:

- Laws forbidding the sale of alcohol on Sunday
- Sodomy laws
- Laws making it illegal for any Atheist to hold public office
- Laws against gay marriage/civil unions
- Anti-evolution laws
- The 18th amendment
- Adultery laws
- Masturbation laws

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:16 PM

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:07 PM

To protect people of faith* from the domineering ways of man in trying to subjugate him.

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:16 PM

The ability to practice religion freely is guaranteed in the 1st Amendment. There’s a reason it’s there. To protect people of fair from the domineering ways of man in trying to subjugate him.

It’s no surprise that communist states first try to stamp out religion. They don’t want the competition for the hearts and minds of their subjects.

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:07 PM

That is why although I am not particularly religious; I am a champion of the religious. When people stop governing themselves; it leaves a huge vacuum for the state to fill. When God is gone.. THe state becomes God, and history has taught us that nothing good can come of that.

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:17 PM

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Good job creating your own straw man. Notice how you didn’t answer the question. Well done. You’ll get your red and black hammer and sickle in the mail.

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Religion doesn’t encroach on society. It was here first. It’s modernism and her perverse spawn of an “anything goes” belief system that creates the issues he’s focusing on. It also creates those cretins that were on the school bus targeting an elderly woman.

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:10 PM

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So far, you’re batting 1.000.

But it appears you ran Go RBNY off.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Because believers use their beliefs as justification for trying to dictate the lifestyles of others.
Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Really? Last time I checked it is the gay lobby who is trying to change a 2000 year precedent for Marriage. THEY used THEIR “beliefs” to force the public schools in Califonra to start propagandizing kids into thinking that being gay is perfectly normal behavior. It’s the atheist left who is sue happy at the sight of any Christian symbol or landmark. Christians in Canada and Sweden are being taken to jail for reading out of the Book of Romans. It’s the gay lobby who filed a lawsuit against a small, privately owned mom and pop photography shop for refusing to take pictures of a lesbian couple because she felt it violated her faith. It is the gay lobby who sue Christian B&B’s. Etc, etc. I could go on all day listing the many ways in which the Gay left try and force the majority to celebrate their perverted lifestyle.

So who is it again who’s trying to use their beliefs to dictate how the rest of us live our lives? That’s what I thought.

jawkneemusic on June 21, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Proud to be part of the 46%. Nothing personal, AP.

Mr. Prodigy on June 21, 2012 at 9:20 PM

This atheist who loves to goad Christians is why many would not vote for an atheist. They enjoy mocking others’ faith yet have no coherent thoughts of their own.

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM

You are an atheist. Like I said, there are many different deities worshipped around the world and I only believe in one less than you do. Join the club.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:05 PM

The ACLU disagrees.

jawkneemusic on June 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

What I don’t understand about atheists is if they really feel that believers are that ignorant- why do they waste their time with disparaging remarks.. Wouldn’t believers be so far below their notice why take the time to insult their beliefs. Or are they just a bunch of juveniles who aren’t really secure in what they believe in?

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Safe bet: the more people arrogantly preach their pet beliefs, the more they’re trying to convince themselves of what they’re promoting!

Bizarro No. 1 on June 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

I can and will name several laws that were created and justified based almost entirely on religious reasons:

- Laws forbidding the sale of alcohol on Sunday
- Sodomy laws
- Laws making it illegal for any Atheist to hold public office
- Laws against gay marriage/civil unions
- Anti-evolution laws
- The 18th amendment
- Adultery laws
- Masturbation laws

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:16 PM

n

Bravo! You gave me a list of laws that have been on the books for over a 100 years… Can you answer my question now?

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

That is why although I am not particularly religious; I am a champion of the religious. When people stop governing themselves; it leaves a huge vacuum for the state to fill. When God is gone.. THe state becomes God, and history has taught us that nothing good can come of that.

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Thank you.

It’s strange. I only know a couple of people in life who speak of religion with the open hostility that so many do on the internet. I guess it’s just the anonymity that makes people feel save as well as interacting with strangers that allows this burning hatred to flow. I cannot imagine most of these people speaking in such a way to their friends and family who believe.

Thank you again.

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:16 PM

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You left out anti-abortion laws.

How could you have forgotten THAT?

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:22 PM

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

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Safe bet: the more people arrogantly preach their pet beliefs, the more they’re trying to convince themselves of what they’re promoting!

Bizarro No. 1 on June 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

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Ooooh . . . . . . ouch.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Bravo! You gave me a list of laws that have been on the books for over a 100 years… Can you answer my question now?

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

You left out anti-abortion laws.

How could you have forgotten THAT?

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:22 PM

And that’s the one I expect he’ll get around to mentioning. Those evil religious people trying to overturn the sacred law known as Roe v. Wade. After all, we know it’s only those evil religious people trying to enforce their beliefs on women’s uterus’s that cause the objection to the law and not that it’s actual bad law itself that was just made up on the spot.

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Because believers use their beliefs as justification for trying to dictate the lifestyles of others.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Since that isn’t a universally true statement, like saying, “Muslims are Islamofascists” isn’t, what’s the exact point you’re trying to make?

Bizarro No. 1 on June 21, 2012 at 9:26 PM

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You left out anti-abortion laws.

How could you have forgotten THAT?

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I can’t remember every single religious-based law off the top of my head

n

Bravo! You gave me a list of laws that have been on the books for over a 100 years… Can you answer my question now?

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

How can I possibly answer your questions? A law cannot be “changed”, unless you are talking about amending the Constitution or state constitutions. Laws can either be struck down and replaced, or created. And, as I listed up above, many laws have been created in the past few decades that have been justified almost solely by religious reasoning.

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:27 PM

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM

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You are an atheist. Like I said, there are many different deities worshipped around the world and I only believe in one less than you do. Join the club.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

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AWRIGHT . . . you’re back.

Sooooo . . . . . . you recognize all Deities known ’round the world except the God of the Bible?

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:27 PM

You are an atheist. Like I said, there are many different deities worshipped around the world and I only believe in one less than you do. Join the club.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Your definition is nonsensical. Here you go.

Definition of ATHEISM

1
archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
2
a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
b : the doctrine that there is no deity

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:29 PM

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You left out anti-abortion laws.
How could you have forgotten THAT?
listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Oh, right, I forgot. Murder isn’t really murder when it’s the mother who decides it’s time to destroy her body and the child growing inside of her because she don’t want to be “punished with a baby.”

jawkneemusic on June 21, 2012 at 9:30 PM

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

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How can I possibly answer your questions? A law cannot be “changed”, unless you are talking about amending the Constitution or state constitutions. Laws can either be struck down and replaced, or created. And, as I listed up above, many laws have been created in the past few decades that have been justified almost solely by religious reasoning.

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:27 PM

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Reposting earlier comment.

Because believers use their beliefs as justification for trying to dictate the lifestyles of others.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

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Touche.

I believe the United States should be using the Holy Bible as the basis for defining right and wrong.
I also believe that was the intent of the Founding Fathers.

listens2glenn
on June 21, 2012 at 9:06 PM

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Reposting earlier comment.

Because believers use their beliefs as justification for trying to dictate the lifestyles of others.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

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Touche.

I believe the United States should be using the Holy Bible as the basis for defining right and wrong.
I also believe that was the intent of the Founding Fathers.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:06 PM

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:32 PM

So you are essentially admitting that you are an advocate for the United States being a full-blown Theocracy? Would you throw non-Christians in jail? Make it illegal to be homosexual? Have church attendance become mandatory by law?

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:35 PM

You left out anti-abortion laws.
How could you have forgotten THAT?

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:22 PM

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Oh, right, I forgot. Murder isn’t really murder when it’s the mother who decides it’s time to destroy her body and the child growing inside of her because she don’t want to be “punished with a baby.”

jawkneemusic on June 21, 2012 at 9:30 PM

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No, that was directed at theoddmanout.

I’ve no doubt that you wouldn’t forget, any sooner than I would.

My sarcasm is too obscure at times. Forgiveness, please.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:37 PM

What you’re seeing here, I think, is the fruit of normalization: It’s not so much that people are becoming more sympathetic to atheism (although that might be true) than that, as atheists become more visible culturally, people see for themselves that we’re not that weird or threatening.

No, AP. That’s just a self-regarding perspective. You’re probably NOT that “weird or threatening” but the fact of that matter is that it has less to do with atheists and their characteristics as it does with the population IN GENERAL.

What you are witnessing is the result of a society that is moving from a Biblically based perspective to a secular based perspective and thereby categories of behavior and association are undergoing redefinition accordingly. It’s not so much the result of a rational deductive reasoning but more simply a matter of osmosis.

Atheists aren’t the ones who have changed; it’s the general population.

You can decide for yourself if it represents progress or decline.

Cleombrotus on June 21, 2012 at 9:37 PM

You are an atheist. Like I said, there are many different deities worshipped around the world and I only believe in one less than you do. Join the club.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Your definition is nonsensical. Here you go.

Definition of ATHEISM

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archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
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a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
b : the doctrine that there is no deity

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:29 PM

You could use a reading comprehension class.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM

How can I possibly answer your questions? A law cannot be “changed”, unless you are talking about amending the Constitution or state constitutions. Laws can either be struck down and replaced, or created. And, as I listed up above, many laws have been created in the past few decades that have been justified almost solely by religious reasoning.

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:27 PM

NO, the laws of the time reflected the society and the voter which was more circumspect and Christian. Funny how you only like Democratic means when it reflects you views. I forgot you are probably one of those that are okay with SCOTUS deciding what states can do as long as it pushing your pet issues..

YOU said Christians use their religion to push their beliefs via laws –PRESENT TENSE. I asked for an example in the last 30 years that showed this. In fact, I told you that Christian don’t do that. They have just been responding to outside groups trying to push their beliefs on to them! You couldn’t give me a present view.

So again–few means THREE–what religious laws have been created?

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Obama is no atheist. He worships HIMSELF as a “god”.

wildcat72 on June 21, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Finally some sanity is beginning to show. all you religious nutters your days of public insanity are fast ending you sick sad pathetic weirdos. Your brainwashing and your magical sky friend time is ending. people are waking up and casting off your sick perversions you freaks.

Your Mamma loves me on June 21, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Would you throw non-Christians in jail? Make it illegal to be homosexual

And that is what it always comes down to to you people isn’t? What makes you think that homosexuals are any more special sinners in Gods eyes than adulterers or peopole who have sex before marriage… I swear narcissists all of you..

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:40 PM

So you are essentially admitting that you are an advocate for the United States being a full-blown Theocracy? Would you throw non-Christians in jail? Make it illegal to be homosexual? Have church attendance become mandatory by law?

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:35 PM

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I reject your definition of “Theocracy”.

And I wouldn’t throw non-christians in jail, or mandate Church attendance.
I would like to see a DADT policy concerning homosexuality in the civilian world, just like the military.
It should not be allowed to be practiced OVERTLY.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:42 PM

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:37 PM

I know. I was trying to add another layer of sarcasm. Sorry, it did come across as a post towards you.

jawkneemusic on June 21, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Make it illegal to be homosexual?

I’d settle for “immoral” again.

Cleombrotus on June 21, 2012 at 9:43 PM

It is so fun how half the time we’re supposed to dismiss Gallup polls, and half the time, they’re holy writ.

avgjo on June 21, 2012 at 9:45 PM

You could use a reading comprehension class.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM

You’re the one who needs to learn how to read.

a : a disbelief in the existence of deity

Notice what it says. It says “of diety” not of A deity. The one deity used to say God, but they’ve gotten more PC lately. It doesn’t say belief in a god, but disbelief in the existence of God, period.

Reading comprehension is fun. Try it sometime.

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Your momma loves me…

what sick proclivities are you trying to hide behind your accusations of religious folk being ‘freaks’? My, doth thou too much protest!

avgjo on June 21, 2012 at 9:46 PM

All I care about are what their political policies are, and what their platform is.

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 7:54 PM

I care about where they got them; what informs them. Tells me more than their stand on individual issues.

Cleombrotus on June 21, 2012 at 9:46 PM

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:37 PM

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I know. I was trying to add another layer of sarcasm. Sorry, it did come across as a post towards you.

jawkneemusic on June 21, 2012 at 9:43 PM

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So we both suffer from “obscurity”.

You have my sympathies, believe me.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:47 PM

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I reject your definition of “Theocracy”.

And I wouldn’t throw non-christians in jail, or mandate Church attendance.
I would like to see a DADT policy concerning homosexuality in the civilian world, just like the military.
It should not be allowed to be practiced OVERTLY.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:42 PM

You never answered my question. Would you or would you not make homosexuality and/or sodomy illegal on a national scale?

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Finally some sanity is beginning to show. all you religious nutters your days of public insanity are fast ending you sick sad pathetic weirdos. Your brainwashing and your magical sky friend time is ending. people are waking up and casting off your sick perversions you freaks.

Your Mamma loves me on June 21, 2012 at 9:39 PM

I love the company atheists keep. Makes me proud to be a Christian to know I don’t think like this soul. What twisted thoughts must go through this depraved person’s mind to make them write with such hate towards someone of faith. The mind boggles…

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:48 PM

You never answered my question. Would you or would you not make homosexuality and/or sodomy illegal on a national scale?

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:47 PM

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State and local scale, NOT National.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:50 PM

You never answered my question. Would you or would you not make homosexuality and/or sodomy illegal on a national scale?

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:47 PM

/Facepalm..

It wouldn’t happen.. You know why? Because even people like me who adamantly oppose gay marriage would stand with you… Why? Because I don’t care what you do in your personal life, and that is the whole damn point isn’t it..

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Bmore on June 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

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It’s obviously Meggie Mac.

Gladtobehere on June 21, 2012 at 8:41 PM
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Bill the Cat.

davidk on June 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

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He’d be better than Biden.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:55 PM

/Facepalm..

It wouldn’t happen.. You know why? Because even people like me who adamantly oppose gay marriage would stand with you… Why? Because I don’t care what you do in your personal life, and that is the whole damn point isn’t it..

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Don’t get me wrong, I believe that such a law wouldn’t be able to pass today. Even still, I find it quite ironic when somebody who claims to be an advocate for small government is also an advocate of laws and policies that are inherently fascist and anti-liberty.

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:57 PM

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State and local scale, NOT National.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:50 PM

How is that any better? Why is tyranny from a state and local government any better than tyranny from the national government? Why do you think it is a good idea for consenting adults to be locked up for doing something in their own homes?

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:58 PM

would like to see a DADT policy concerning homosexuality in the civilian world,

I would like to see that concerning ALL sexuality.. My sister’s best friend and her husband are heavily in to BDSM which she never fails to talk about around EVERYONE. She claims if SCOTUS gives homosexuals the right to marry than BDSM couples should have a state sanctioned master/slave contract since their sexuality is also “programmed” into them that way or they are born that way… I can’t imagine the other sexual picadillos and fetishes who also feel that way and the court cases that will ensue..

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Next time they do the poll, I want “Foreigner” included. We already voted one in, didn’t we?

Archivarix on June 21, 2012 at 10:00 PM

I would like to see that concerning ALL sexuality.. My sister’s best friend and her husband are heavily in to BDSM which she never fails to talk about around EVERYONE. She claims if SCOTUS gives homosexuals the right to marry than BDSM couples should have a state sanctioned master/slave contract since their sexuality is also “programmed” into them that way or they are born that way… I can’t imagine the other sexual picadillos and fetishes who also feel that way and the court cases that will ensue..

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 9:59 PM

If the court finds this “right,” you know it’s coming. A tidal wave will result. I think that’s partly why Scalia has had a change of heart regarding Wickard. He realizes that there are no restrictions anymore as long as Wickard stands.

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 10:02 PM

State and local scale, NOT National.

listens2glenn
on June 21, 2012 at 9:50 PM

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How is that any better? Why is tyranny from a state and local government any better than tyranny from the national government? Why do you think it is a good idea for consenting adults to be locked up for doing something in their own homes?

theoddmanout
on June 21, 2012 at 9:58 PM

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Behind closed doors, between consenting adults; no problem.

Expressed or practiced openly in the general public; yep, arrest ‘em.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Archivarix on June 21, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Touche’. Personally, I’d vote for an honest atheist before I’d vote for a liar.

Cleombrotus on June 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Don’t get me wrong, I believe that such a law wouldn’t be able to pass today. Even still, I find it quite ironic when somebody who claims to be an advocate for small government is also an advocate of laws and policies that are inherently fascist and anti-liberty.

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:57 PM

The state has been nothing but hurtful to marriage. STATE marriage is nothing but big government.. Gay marriage will be used as a bludgeon by the state to go after religious people, institutions, business, and parental rights. It is the epitome of big government gone awry. It will also open the door for special rights for every sexuality under the sun. And sexuality is tricky business since it is untestable and defined by the individual. Horrible business

melle1228 on June 21, 2012 at 10:04 PM

. . . would like to see a DADT policy concerning homosexuality in the civilian world, . . .

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 9:42 PM

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I would like to see that concerning ALL sexuality.. My sister’s best friend and her husband are heavily in to BDSM which she never fails to talk about around EVERYONE. She claims if SCOTUS gives homosexuals the right to marry than BDSM couples should have a state sanctioned master/slave contract since their sexuality is also “programmed” into them that way or they are born that way… I can’t imagine the other sexual picadillos and fetishes who also feel that way and the court cases that will ensue..

melle1228
on June 21, 2012 at 9:59 PM

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Touche.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

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Behind closed doors, between consenting adults; no problem.

Expressed or practiced openly in the general public; yep, arrest ‘em.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

There are already laws on the books against having sex in public-sodomy included. How exactly would you change the current law?

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Notice what it says. It says “of diety” not of A deity. The one deity used to say God, but they’ve gotten more PC lately. It doesn’t say belief in a god, but disbelief in the existence of God,

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 9:45 PM

My point. There are many gods worshipped around the world today. I said that I only believe in one less than you do.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 10:09 PM

My point. There are many gods worshipped around the world today. I said that I only believe in one less than you do.

Go RBNY on June 21, 2012 at 10:09 PM

And I don’t have an issue with that. You’re free to believe or not. We have free will. I would not support a theocracy any more than I’d support a socialist state.

I’m glad we understand each other. Perhaps you won’t call believers atheists anymore though.

njrob on June 21, 2012 at 10:14 PM

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 9:57 PM

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The state has been nothing but hurtful to marriage. STATE marriage is nothing but big government.. Gay marriage will be used as a bludgeon by the state to go after religious people, institutions, business, and parental rights. It is the epitome of big government gone awry. It will also open the door for special rights for every sexuality under the sun. And sexuality is tricky business since it is untestable and defined by the individual. Horrible business

melle1228
on June 21, 2012 at 10:04 PM

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I can’t agree with on that one, melle’.

The formal recognition of individual marriages by the state constitutes an overt acknowledgement, of an institution created by the God of the Bible.
And that takes me back to: “this was the intent of the Founding Fathers”.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 10:16 PM

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I can’t agree with on that one, melle’.

The formal recognition of individual marriages by the state constitutes an overt acknowledgement, of an institution created by the God of the Bible.
And that takes me back to: “this was the intent of the Founding Fathers”.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 10:16 PM

It was? Funny, seeing how not only is marriage not ever mentioned in the Constitution or Declaration of Independance, but, even when marriage laws were first enacted by the states, arranged marriages were legal, girls could be married at the age of 9 and boys at the age of 4, polygamy was legal, and interracial marriage was illegal.

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 10:23 PM

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

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There are already laws on the books against having sex in public-sodomy included. How exactly would you change the current law?

theoddmanout on June 21, 2012 at 10:09 PM

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I would want it to be against the law for homosexuals to display ANY actions, or static displays (works of art?) in public that proclaim homosexuality.

Bottom line: Anybody moving through a crowd mixed with heterosexuals and homosexuals should not be able to discern “who is what orientation” just by looking at them.

You think that “too demanding” or “over bearing”?

I don’t believe the Founding Fathers would agree with you.

listens2glenn on June 21, 2012 at 10:31 PM

What do you mean, vote for an atheist “for the first time?”

They already DID.

CoolCzech on June 21, 2012 at 10:33 PM

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