Could Ron Paul’s delegates nominate him for VP at the GOP convention?

posted at 6:31 pm on June 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

In which HuffPo once again demonstrates its Jedi mastery of SEO by cooking up far-fetched link bait about the pol with the most passionate fan base on the Internet. Which reminds me, look for my eight-part series coming soon to HA, “Could Ron Paul win the presidency via a national write-in vote?”

The bad news? There appears to be a very, very, very, very, very, very slim chance that this might happen, resulting in an unholy clusterfark on the floor. The good news? For the first time ever, the convention might be interesting this year.

Republican officials are still waking up to the fact that Paul loyalists — who control the majority of delegates in Maine, Minnesota and Iowa, and have sizable contingents in a number of other states — could very likely enter Paul’s name into nomination for vice president. This would force a roll call vote where each delegate of each state is polled on the floor of the convention…

Not only would such a floor fight step all over the message of party unity and strength that the Romney campaign hopes to drive through the convention, it would also open the door for alternatives to Romney’s choice to gain momentum and further drive the process off the rails.

For example, if Romney chose Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) as his vice presidential pick, but the Paul forces leveraged their impressive foothold in several states to nominate Paul from the floor, then someone like Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla) could emerge as the preferred pick for many delegates as the convention goes into a roll call vote. And Rubio’s name could be entered into nomination, in addition to Paul’s, if a plurality of five states voted to nominate him.

Follow the link for background on how the relevant rule here came to be. Romney’s already clinched the nomination, of course, but the VP nomination is technically an open contest, and since Paul’s fans now represent a majority of delegates in four states (Nevada, Minnesota, Iowa, and Maine), all they need to do is find a plurality in one other state that’s willing to vote for him over Romney’s VP pick and they can force a floor vote. A footnote to all this: The RNC can change the rule before the convention to require a majority of delegates in five states to nominate someone, which would make things much harder for the Paul fans. But if they do that, they’re going to make an already contentious relationship even more contentious, which could mean floor chaos or Paul voters staying home in even greater numbers than the RNC expects.

If only there was some way to appease them at the convention. Over to you, Robert Costa:

[O]ne surprising name was added to the [VP] mix by a couple of Romney advisers: Senator Rand Paul. Inside Romney world, the Kentucky freshman’s stock is rising. He’s certainly not a leading veep contender — he has not been asked for paperwork — but he is a valued ally. Within weeks, Paul will hit the trail for Romney. Rallies and other public events are in the works.

Paul is also slated, I’m told, to speak at the Republican National Convention. “We speak to them and are going to be helping them more as we go forward,” says one aide close to Paul. “Rand will do some surrogate work for him soon.”

So the convention will be a coronation of sorts for Rand as well as for Mitt, as Paul fils becomes an official National Figure and the Paul movement finally gains some mainstream recognition by the GOP. No one in Ron Paul’s campaign will want to jeopardize that with a floor stunt by his delegates, but does Team Paul have enough sway over their base that they can get their supporters to lie low for Rand’s benefit? Remember, some Paul fans are irritated at him for endorsing Romney; they’re bound to be more irritated if, as Costa claims, he hits the trail for Mitt. If you’re a true believer who’s convinced that Rand will betray the movement by getting too chummy with Beltway Republicans, why would you pass on a chance to nominate Ron for VP as his last shot at political glory before retiring? Or am I just trying to talk myself into believing this is kinda sorta plausible because it’d be a bottomless traffic goldmine?


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canopfor on June 21, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Second!

canopfor on June 21, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Oh Man…No

OmahaConservative on June 21, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Oh, brother, it hasn’t gone away yet. It hasn’t been called back to the home planet yet?

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 6:36 PM

King of Clowns.

Limerick on June 21, 2012 at 6:36 PM

In which HuffPo once again demonstrates its Jedi mastery of SEO by cooking up far-fetched link bait about the pol with the most passionate fan base on the Internet. Which reminds me, look for my eight-part series coming soon to HA, “Could Ron Paul win the presidency via a national write-in vote?”
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Lol,eight-part series!!

The AllahPundit Files!!
(sarc).

canopfor on June 21, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Which reminds me, look for my eight-part series coming soon to HA, “Could Ron Paul win the presidency via a national write-in vote?”

This is why we love you, Allah. Beautiful snark in the 2nd sentence.

JPeterman on June 21, 2012 at 6:38 PM

So, that’s what they were up to…

For the first time ever, the convention might be interesting this year.

I’ll watch but I like Storage Wars and Swamp People.

Fallon on June 21, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Only in the fever-swamps of the Ron Paul cult, could think that a man who lost 3-1 to Romney in his own home district, could be an asset to the ticket in any capacity.

They couldn’t win, so like spiteful children they want to tear the whole party apart, and hand 0bama another four years.

Rebar on June 21, 2012 at 6:42 PM

I can’t wait until November. Regardless of who wins, at least we will finally be done with Dr. Ron Paul.

T-Rav on June 21, 2012 at 6:43 PM

If Romney is dumb enough to Bushie Crony Rob Portman as his VP, then I am all for this.

Norwegian on June 21, 2012 at 6:45 PM

If Romney is dumb enough to Bushie Crony Rob Portman as his VP, then I am all for this.

Norwegian on June 21, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Ditto.

Punchenko on June 21, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Could Ron Paul’s delegates nominate him for VP at the GOP convention?

No.

Shump on June 21, 2012 at 6:48 PM

…no thank you.

KOOLAID2 on June 21, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Maybe. Sure would bug the holy heck out of Romney, tho. Possibly hurt his campaign as all the NeoCons said “OMG! Thet ray-cist Joo-h8ing eye-so-lationist would be VP?!?! Ah’ll never vote fer that!”

MelonCollie on June 21, 2012 at 6:50 PM

I can’t wait until November. Regardless of who wins, at least we will finally be done with Dr. Ron Paul.

T-Rav on June 21, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Yes, it doesn’t matter how much more Obama screws this country up, or how much Romney may, as long as we’re done with Ron Paul. You still have his followers out there and they aren’t going anywhere. Conservatives such as you should worry about keeping it together. I don’t think this “coalition” is going to hold much longer. At least I hope not.

rickv404 on June 21, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Wouldn’t Ron Paul ask his followers to behave themselves so as not to destroy Governor Romney’s chances, or are his ‘followers’ total free spirits?

slickwillie2001 on June 21, 2012 at 6:52 PM

I occasionally read the Dailypaul website for my daily dose of Teh Crazy. They’re still convinced they can somehow change the rules and swing Romney delegates to get Crazy Uncle Paul nominated.

And they’ve pretty much branded Rand as a traitor. They’ll sometimes try to convince themselves that their “movement” is actually about something other than cult worship of Ron Paul, but strangely enough the only political figure who isn’t a Bilderberg Neocon Zionist Warmongering Criminal is the Bircher crank they worship.

Hollowpoint on June 21, 2012 at 6:52 PM

I look forward to it. McCain was the first slap in the face to the conservative base. Romney is the second. I would love to see the RNC get slapped right back.

MadisonConservative on June 21, 2012 at 6:54 PM

I don’t understand why Ron Paul would want the VP slot? It seems more ceremonial these days than a position where you can readily effect change…

Or does it just seem that way with the current buffon holding the office?

ccrosby on June 21, 2012 at 6:54 PM

He would be fine as VP as long as Sheriff Joe doesn’t touch the medicine cabinet on the way out.

hillsoftx on June 21, 2012 at 6:54 PM

…or are his ‘followers’ total free spirits?

slickwillie2001 on June 21, 2012 at 6:52 PM

That one.

Fallon on June 21, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Possibly hurt his campaign as all the NeoCons said “OMG! Thet ray-cist Joo-h8ing eye-so-lationist would be VP?!?! Ah’ll never vote fer that!”

MelonCollie on June 21, 2012 at 6:50 PM

You got that fool Bill Kristol down pat, MelonCollie! :-)

Punchenko on June 21, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Better yet…Ron Paul and his supporters could demand a recount in every single state Ron Paul failed to win (all of them right?) just 1 day before the convention.

Oh…and President Obama could switch Joe Biden for Hillary Clinton as VP…OHHHH and a battle royal MMA style could erupt between the Tea Party and the Wall Street Occupiers outside both conventions….

heck anything is possible which could generate tons of traffic fun!

Varchild on June 21, 2012 at 6:58 PM

It seems more ceremonial these days than a position where you can readily effect change…

ccrosby on June 21, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Ron Paul had a 30 year congressional career, and failed to do anything except suck up $31 Billion in pork for the special interests in his district.

If it’s a do-nothing job, Paul is the most experienced candidate in the world.

Rebar on June 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM

For example, if Romney chose Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) as his vice presidential pick, but the Paul forces leveraged their impressive foothold in several states to nominate Paul from the floor, then someone like Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla) could emerge as the preferred pick for many delegates as the convention goes into a roll call vote. And Rubio’s name could be entered into nomination, in addition to Paul’s, if a plurality of five states voted to nominate him.

Funny how Rubio’s name crops up again in an article ostensibly about Paul trying to hijack the VP process. Paying attention, Rubio fans? Jon Ward just showed you the playbook.

Mr. Arkadin on June 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Hollowpoint on June 21, 2012 at 6:52 PM

I do that too. It’s comedy gold. Reading their threads gives a new meaning to the word “nuts”.

Paulbots are not crazy they are nuts. Huge difference. Like George Carlin said, Crazy is someone who will beat you to death with a steel dildo. Nuts is someone who will beat you to death with a steel dildo while wearing a pink bunny costume.

The Notorious G.O.P on June 21, 2012 at 7:00 PM

They’re welcome to try, they’ll have as much success as they did in making him the Presidential Nominee.

Then they’ll rant rave and go back to the their bongs and the adults can once again return the business of removing Obama.

Rogue on June 21, 2012 at 7:00 PM

resulting in an unholy clusterfark on the floor
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As long as it doesn’t morph,into a Re-Create 68′
of the 1968 Democrat Riot,at there convention!!

Le ugh!

canopfor on June 21, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Sure they could NOMINATE him. He’ll lose the vote, of course. But please go ahead Ronulans…

Please note Ronulans and others Herr Doktor received 118 delegates, coming in FOURTH, finishing after Gingrich, receiving fewer that 10% of the delegates of Romney. But we don’t hear from their butthurt followers.

JFKY on June 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Yes, it doesn’t matter how much more Obama screws this country up, or how much Romney may, as long as we’re done with Ron Paul. You still have his followers out there and they aren’t going anywhere. Conservatives such as you should worry about keeping it together. I don’t think this “coalition” is going to hold much longer. At least I hope not.

rickv404 on June 21, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Boy, don’t talk to me about keeping it together. I made 13,000 calls for the McCain people in ’08 because I despised Obama so much, enough to have maybe played a role in keeping Missouri in the Republican column that election. I don’t need to prove myself to you or anyone else. I want Obama gone so badly I can taste it; if he should win, though, Paul’s departure from public office will be the one silver lining for me. At least we’ll be rid of the distraction he causes while we’re trying to defend conservatism.

T-Rav on June 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM

They are also organizing multiple music festivals and rallies around Tampa in the convention week.

joana on June 21, 2012 at 7:06 PM

If only there was some way to appease them at the convention. Over to you, Robert Costa:

Try giving them California -that ought to do it.

Don L on June 21, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Meh. I don’t care. Might as well inject a little lunacy into what appears likely to be a celebration of establishment squishiness.

We are screwed no matter how it goes, so we might as well be entertained as we dutifully march into Mediocracy.

LegendHasIt on June 21, 2012 at 7:07 PM

I don’t know why this came back up, it was here this morning, with the usual nastiness, what site numbers down today folks?

JFKY on June 21, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Ron Paul being included on the ticket could be the one thing which would force me to reconsider my vote for Romney.

Flyovercountry on June 21, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Maybe. Sure would bug the holy heck out of Romney, tho. Possibly hurt his campaign as all the NeoCons said “OMG! Thet ray-cist Joo-h8ing eye-so-lationist would be VP?!?! Ah’ll never vote fer that!”

MelonCollie on June 21, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Off topic a bit: Just a couple years ago I had a black lab I got from the shelter. He used to go into the garden after dinner and steal tomatoes. Every time I see your handle I think TomatoLabrador.

On topic. He is racist. He does hate Jews. He doesn’t have a clue how the world works. He stole most of his whole shtick elsewhere.

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 7:08 PM

They are also organizing multiple music festivals and rallies around Tampa in the convention week.

joana on June 21, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Any “legalize the choom” rallies?

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Delicious…

JohnGalt23 on June 21, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Two words… no way.

either orr on June 21, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Ronulans are on their own side and nobody else’s. Obama wins as a result of the crazy uncle on the ticket? Oh well.

WitchDoctor on June 21, 2012 at 7:12 PM

And so many rombots believed that Sarah Palin would do irreversible damaage to Ye Grande Ole Party. LOLOLOLOLROFLMMFAO

gryphon202 on June 21, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Yeah let’s pay attention to “Mr 118″ Delegates….

JFKY on June 21, 2012 at 7:14 PM

There is a reason they call it the “Gold Standard”, not the Ron Paul Standard. There is a reason they call it “Austrian Economics”, not Ron Paul Economics. Austria and Switzerland would be broke without the Jews and Nazi money stolen from the Jews. Iran has promised to annihilate Israel and this maggot named Ron Paul fully sides with the Iranians.

Let the choom maggots try to get him on the ticket.

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 7:15 PM

I’ve been a Pualnut since the beginning, it ain’t happening. Ron’s original strategy was to get himself the VP slot via pressure from victories in some of the smaller primaries and caucus states. It was a good idea, but it fizzled. I’m not bitter or angry about it, but these things happen and I honestly wouldn’t want either of the Paul’s to be associated with the deleveraging that still has yet to be done in the economy. That deleveraging will be painful and it is inevitable regardless of who gets elected to noodle around the margins of the national ledger. Besides, you take a look at Romney’s foreign policy advisers? It really is PNAC redux, a and a complete non-starter for either of the Pauls – whether or not they will come out and say so openly. But I do hope Rand being a team player yields future dividends.

abobo on June 21, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Which reminds me, look for my eight-part series coming soon to HA, “Could Ron Paul win the presidency via a national write-in vote?”

CAN’T. WAIT.

nicktjacob on June 21, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Many of you confuse to words/phrases…could nominate does NOT mean RECEIVE nomination. Sure I can see the rambunctious children can put him into nomination, which he will rightly and promptly lose and then we’ll nominate and elect Portman or whomsoever Romney wants.

JFKY on June 21, 2012 at 7:18 PM

abobo on June 21, 2012 at 7:17 PM

*WOW* A rare beastie…a RATIONAL Paul supporter.

JFKY on June 21, 2012 at 7:20 PM

It really is PNAC redux, a and a complete non-starter for either of the Pauls – whether or not they will come out and say so openly. But I do hope Rand being a team player yields future dividends.

abobo on June 21, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Always funny to see a Paulbot throw around acronyms when the little bastard they follow hasn’t had an original thought in his little alien head from the time of his alien birth 680 years ago.

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Ron Paul… failed to do anything except suck up $31 Billion in pork for the special interests in his district.

Rebar on June 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Really? Aw, nutz. Then I have to let go of my cherished fantasy that he might be made Treasury Secretary. I hold no brief whatsoever for Dr. Paul’s foreign policy, but I thought he might be great at Treasury. Sigh…

As long as it doesn’t morph,into a Re-Create 68′
of the 1968 Democrat Riot,at there convention!!

Le ugh!

canopfor on June 21, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Le ugh is right! I was but a wee tiny thing in 1968, but I remember the hideous shrieking on television.

No matter how contentious the GOP convention may get, any vandalism, etc., will surely be from outside protestors and not from the conventioneers. We don’t do that, no matter how much Nancy Pelosi et al. lie about such things.

Mary in LA on June 21, 2012 at 7:21 PM

They couldn’t win, so like spiteful children they want to tear the whole party apart, and hand 0bama another four years.

Rebar on June 21, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Dude, wtf are you talking about? See my earlier post. The problem with Hotair is that some of the more insular folks in comments section like to trade little bits of venom that they pass around amongst themselves as facts. Just because you heard quite a few people of like mind call us Paul supporters a bunch of antisemitic teenagers who only care about smoking pot doesn’t make it so, no matter how many comments you might read proclaiming the same.

abobo on June 21, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Always funny to see a Paulbot throw around acronyms when the little bastard they follow hasn’t had an original thought in his little alien head from the time of his alien birth 680 years ago.

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Did you have a point to make, or were you just hoping for a pissing contest – cause I just emptied out and don’t really feel like right now.

abobo on June 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Delicious…

JohnGalt23 on June 21, 2012 at 7:10 PM

How do you say “Ron Paul is an alien clown” in Persian?

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Even in a bizzarro world where the Republican establishment allowed him the VP nom, Dr. Paul would NEVER take the position.

RightXBrigade on June 21, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Iran has promised to annihilate Israel and this maggot named Ron Paul fully sides with the Iranians.

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 7:15 PM

I think that’s a bit much, Oldroy. Besides, Israel will handle the Iranians and everything will be fine. The Israelis can handle any and all situations that might occur in their backyard — they’re a very strong nation in their own right, you know.

Punchenko on June 21, 2012 at 7:38 PM

The point is PNAC. It’s your acronym used to impress others. What did you mean by

It really is PNAC redux, a and a complete non-starter for either of the Pauls –

Don’t hide behind the acronym PNAC. Explain what you mean. Tell us what you think about the Republican party and Romney. Talk plainly so us lyover rubes can understand your superior Paulian Intellect.

And you bet, it you want to call it a pissing content. then call it that. I’ll be here all week.

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 7:38 PM

How do you say “Ron Paul is an alien clown” in Persian?

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Phonetically, I think it goes like “Ohldroy essa whing-not

You got that fool Bill Kristol down pat, MelonCollie! :-)

Punchenko on June 21, 2012 at 6:55 PM

…I feel silly asking b/c I should probably know…but who the hell is Bill Kristol?

MelonCollie on June 21, 2012 at 7:41 PM

I think that’s a bit much, Oldroy. Besides, Israel will handle the Iranians and everything will be fine. The Israelis can handle any and all situations that might occur in their backyard — they’re a very strong nation in their own right, you know.

Punchenko on June 21, 2012 at 7:38 PM

So basically you support Ron Paul because you agree with his anti-Semitic views, good to know that.

SWalker on June 21, 2012 at 7:42 PM

I wouldn’t mind a little convention excitement. Delegates throwing foodstuffs back and forth,..maybe a couple of on camera slapfights.
Cathartic.

a capella on June 21, 2012 at 7:42 PM

So basically you support Ron Paul because you agree with his anti-Semitic non-Jewish-ass-kissing views, good to know that.

SWalker on June 21, 2012 at 7:42 PM

FTFY, you Zionist wanna-be.

I swear you’re as bad as left-wingers and their ‘racist’ line.

MelonCollie on June 21, 2012 at 7:49 PM

The only reason there are so many Paul delegates is because the Paul supporters did what “mainstream” Republicans didn’t, by and large. Besides just registering as Republican voters, they read their local, county and state Party committee rules, as well as the national rules, and figured out how the delegate selection process works in their particular locale and state. Then they united and organized locally, and recruited sufficient numbers of warm bodies, to make sure they had the maximum number of delegate candidates (and voters for those delegates). Here in AZ, for example, only precinct committeemen get to cast votes for state delegate candidates, but any registered Republican can run for state delegate. So the Paul supporters flooded every legislative district delegate caucus with as many Paul supporters as possible. They didn’t elect very many delegates, because not many of them had become precinct committeemen, but they elected a lot of alternates. All of whom then came to our state convention to attempt to drag it out as long as possible, hoping the “real” Republican delegates would leave. They almost succeeded, as a result, in electing a “911 Truther” as our national committeewoman.

In some of the states (MO, MN, GA), anyone can show up at the caucus meeting and pledge to support Republicans and then be eligible to not only vote for the delegates but to nominate themselves to be a candidate. The Paul supporters did this in those states. Where were all the “real” Republicans? Probably at home — blogging or something.

The key component in all of this is the office of precinct committeeman. Phyllis Schlafly calls precinct committeeman “the most powerful political office in the world” and rightly so, because ONLY precinct committeeman elect the Party officers, directly or indirectly, including the national chairman. (I’ve pulled together what I know about the subject here: http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com .) Precinct committeemen are in the best position to help GOTV in the all-important, traditionally-very-low-turnout primary elections. And, here in AZ, if there’s a mid-term vacancy in the state legislature, ONLY the precinct committeemen get to nominate three candidates to fill the vacancy (the county board of supervisors has to pick one; if all three candidates are conservatives, because you happen to have a conservative majority among the PCs, you just created a conservative incumbent).

Only about half of the Republican Party PC slots nationwide are filled. If conservatives filled up the empty slots we’d have an instant conservative majority in the Party. That would translate into more conservative wins in the primaries and a more conservative “voice” for our principles and values through the Party leaders.

My precinct has 8 slots and all are filled. There’s about one PC slot for every 125 Republicans in our precinct (by statute). The 8 of us, working together, succeeded in our recent city election in getting out about 60% of the Republicans, while the city-wide average was 26.6%. We tried to convince our two Republicans candiates (one for mayor, one for city council) to focus just on the Republican voters like we were doing. They didn’t. They followed the “expert” advice of their consultants, spending gobs of money on radio, TV, and mailers (all of which had to be non-partisan). We, instead, called all the Republicans and then gave them a sample ballot with the names of the two “fiscal conservatives” identified. We focused on the 35% of the Republicans who vote 50% or less of the time (based on VoterVault records.) After calling them, using our VoterVault walking sheets we delivered the sample ballots and the candidates’ flyers in a bag to the voters’ doors. Only took each of us about 3 hours each as we only had to contact about 35 voters each. None of this was hard to do.

Getting back to the Paul supporters, there’s a huge power vacuum inside our Party because half of the PC slots are vacant. If conservatives don’t fill them up, ASAP, some other group might. And the Ron Paul people have already figured this out:

http://becomeapc.com

I hope this helps.

Thank you.

Cold Warrior

Cold Warrior on June 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Don’t hide behind the acronym PNAC. Explain what you mean.

First off – no one’s hiding, son. Secondly, you really should be doing your own homework, but I’ll let you copy – just this once. The Project for a New American Century is a policy paper that outlined the interventionist foreign policy that was the hallmark of the Bush(W) years.

Tell us what you think about the Republican party and Romney. Talk plainly so us lyover rubes can understand your superior Paulian Intellect.

I think Romney will handle the coming deleveraging better than Obama, but it is like I said – noodling at the margins of the national ledger. I’m actually a bit relieved that Dr. Paul won’t be at the helm as it would sully the reputatation of Austrian Economics before it’s even given a chance in a nation full of Keynesian idiots. You can substitute “Big gubmint” or “compassionate conservative”, or “Paul Krugman” for Keynesian if that word’s got too many consecutive syllables for ya.

And you bet, it you want to call it a pissing content. then call it that. I’ll be here all week.

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Well good for you, try not to hurt yourself while you mill about aimlessly.

abobo on June 21, 2012 at 7:55 PM

FTFY, you Zionist wanna-be.

I swear you’re as bad as left-wingers and their ‘racist’ line.

MelonCollie on June 21, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Says the one throwing around the label “ZOMFGZionist!!!!! OMFG!!! Eleventy!!!”

Dunedainn on June 21, 2012 at 7:56 PM

I swear you’re as bad as left-wingers and their ‘racist’ line.

MelonCollie on June 21, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Didn’t you know, identity politics isn’t really identity politics if a sufficiently conservative woman, black, jew, Indian-American, or midget engages in it from the right.

abobo on June 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM

FTFY, you Zionist wanna-be.

I swear you’re as bad as left-wingers and their ‘racist’ line.

MelonCollie on June 21, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Thanks for playing along. Give the dog a scratch on the ears. This is all I needed to know – you are cool with a nuke over Tel Aviv. Damned Zionists. They should die for their claim that they have the right to survive.

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM

I’m actually a bit relieved that Dr. Paul won’t be at the helm as it would sully the reputatation of Austrian Economics before it’s even given a chance in a nation full of Keynesian idiots.

But if full subsidised Austrian economics are the answer, why wouldn’t Austrian Economics pull us out of the impending doom?

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 7:59 PM

This is all I needed to know – you are cool with a nuke over Tel Aviv.

Don’t put your words in my mouth, trailer-park redneck.

MelonCollie on June 21, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I think that’s a bit much, Oldroy. Besides, Israel will handle the Iranians and everything will be fine. The Israelis can handle any and all situations that might occur in their backyard — they’re a very strong nation in their own right, you know.

Punchenko on June 21, 2012 at 7:38 PM

So basically you support Ron Paul because you agree with his anti-Semitic views, good to know that.

SWalker on June 21, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Israel did do a pretty good job taking out Saddam’s nuclear program, SWalker.

Punchenko on June 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM

But if full subsidised Austrian economics are the answer, why wouldn’t Austrian Economics pull us out of the impending doom?

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 7:59 PM

First, the field of Economics isn’t plural, it’s singular. Second, I never said “it was the answer”. It is merely a batter and more responsible way of conducting national affairs at the macro economic level. You seem to be searching for a type of financial panacea that can mitigate the necessary consequences of decades of fiat currency printing and the misallocation of capital that it has produced. Sadly, no such thing exists and anyone offering it is either lying to you or himself. What Austrian economics can do is ensure that any deleveraging which does occur will be fast, brutal, impartial, and followed by real economic growth that won’t require central bank chicanery to convince people of.

abobo on June 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM

First off – no one’s hiding, son. Secondly, you really should be doing your own homework, but I’ll let you copy – just this once. The Project for a New American Century is a policy paper that outlined the interventionist foreign policy that was the hallmark of the Bush(W) years.

Really? Thanks for enlightening me. Couldn’t have figured it out without you. Bush policies are the direction of the R party. Thanks. Got it. Let me write myself a note. No one can think for themselves in the Republican party, oh, sorry, except for Paul-nuts (who have just “discovered” the Republican party because they couldn’t get more than a couple percent of the national vote as libertarians), who know every newsletter, paragraph and sentence the little alien has spouted, as gospel.

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Even in a bizzarro world where the Republican establishment allowed him the VP nom, Dr. Paul would NEVER take the position.

RightXBrigade on June 21, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Do you think he might take Treasury Secretary?
/still kinda hoping…

Mary in LA on June 21, 2012 at 8:09 PM

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM

One can think for oneself and still choose, as an autonomous rational agent, to adopt the advice and policy positions of others that one believes to be more informed on the topic at hand than oneself, no?

abobo on June 21, 2012 at 8:11 PM

What this week has shown clearly: the Republican Party is that party of Issa, Gowdy, and Chaffetz, as in truly prepared and a$$-kicking.

It is not the party of Ron or Rand Paul. Where the hell has Ron and Rand been on two dead Federal Law Enforcement agents?

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 8:11 PM

One can think for oneself and still choose, as an autonomous rational agent, to adopt the advice and policy positions of others that one believes to be more informed on the topic at hand than oneself, no?

abobo on June 21, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Then one, and one’s ones. would point out those adopted policy positions as such, wouldn’t one. When has the little alien or any of his alien following pointed that out?

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 8:13 PM

FTFY, you Zionist wanna-be.

MelonCollie on June 21, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Anti-semitism can never be contained for long. Especially when the person in question is a leftie. Oh, look!

trailer-park redneck.

MelonCollie on June 21, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Anti-semitic leftie. The stereotype is complete.

MadisonConservative on June 21, 2012 at 8:15 PM

What this week has shown clearly: the Republican Party is that party of Issa, Gowdy, and Chaffetz, as in truly prepared and a$$-kicking.

At least we agree on something!!

It is not the party of Ron or Rand Paul. Where the hell has Ron and Rand been on two dead Federal Law Enforcement agents?

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Both Pauls are in full support of Issa and have said so forcefully. You can go to the DailyPaul and read all about it — if you’re not afraid of getting cooties. LOL!

abobo on June 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 8:13 PM

One has indeed, hence Paul’s gracious refrain in supporting his sons decision to endorse Romney. Besides, all this alien talk has you sounding like the irrational one in the discussion. Do you suppose that might have some bearing on the neo-con related insults hurled your way? Although I’m above such things I do realize that respect is earned – not given. That’s why I haven’t pointed out your bad grammar, constant misspellings, and generally immature tone. I’m hoping some of the respect you’re being given, as charity mind you, will earn me some in return. Not that I would bank on it.

abobo on June 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Would the stalking horse for the establishment R’s really do this? Would he even have to? I mean they owe him for a job well done. I don’t think the payback will be to Dr. Paul, but rather the son.

Bmore on June 21, 2012 at 8:30 PM

I don’t think the payback will be to Dr. Paul, but rather the son.

Bmore on June 21, 2012 at 8:30 PM

I think so too. Either way, I think the GOP should reach out to the Paul people and hear them out on government spending.

Punchenko on June 21, 2012 at 8:36 PM

One has indeed, hence Paul’s gracious refrain in supporting his sons decision to endorse Romney. Besides, all this alien talk has you sounding like the irrational one in the discussion. Do you suppose that might have some bearing on the neo-con related insults hurled your way? Although I’m above such things I do realize that respect is earned – not given. That’s why I haven’t pointed out your bad grammar, constant misspellings, and generally immature tone. I’m hoping some of the respect you’re being given, as charity mind you, will earn me some in return. Not that I would bank on it.

abobo on June 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Turn on spell check. Set preview.

So this is about Ron Paul’s son and not his policy? If the policy isn’t amenable to the Senior Paul, this is just about getting Junior the Presidency?

Misspellings? Really. This is a friggin’ blog. Bad grammar, really?

“sons” – missed an apostrophe.

“Although I’m above such things” – missed a comma (it’s at the end). Might want to check that if you are looking for spelling and grammatical perfection.

You looking for perfection to make a point?

Is Ron Paul an Alien? No. Is it a fun way of pointing out that only an alien would go so far out on a limb to convince others of his stolen viewpoints? Yes.

How does this stupidity defeat Obama? How does this stupidity do anything but take votes away from the only candidate that can defeat Obama?

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Let’s leave the slanging to others, Oldroy. Abobo is certainly one of the nicer and more rational Paul supporters, we can disagree and not be so unpleasant.

Again, why does Ron Paul want to put his name into contention, assuming he does. This story is via HuffPo about his followers, not necessarily Paul himself.

JFKY on June 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Ron Paul wouldn’t take it, he’s not a liberal like Romney.

air_up_there on June 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM

I love clusterfark whatever that is.

Ron Paul should accept it VP nomination if it is given to him. It will make thing more interesting and fun for the next four years.

Mittwits vs Ron bots who will win in a death match. I’ll be the promoter and make millions out of it.

jdun on June 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Abobo is certainly one of the nicer and more rational Paul supporters, we can disagree and not be so unpleasant.

JFKY on June 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Sorry, but I don’t believe there is such a thing as a rational Ron Paul supporter. Racism is not rational, whether it’s towards Blacks or Jews. It’s blind disgusting pathetic hatred.

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Mittwits vs Ron bots who will win in a death match. I’ll be the promoter and make millions out of it.

jdun on June 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Romney won a couple of weeks ago. Coverage of Ron Paul and his pathetic followers at the convention will only show America how badly in the tank for Obama the media is.

America has had a media lesson this week. Care to follow it up with several more at the convention? Will Chrissy Matthews and Andrea Mitchell even contain their joy when the Paulbots try this thing on camera?

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Sorry, but I don’t believe there is such a thing as a rational Ron Paul supporter.

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Then you, yourself, are irrational.

MadisonConservative on June 21, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Then you, yourself, are irrational.

MadisonConservative on June 21, 2012 at 9:34 PM

So how does that make a Ron Paul supporter rational?

A man who has demonstrated his racism over and over, and supporters who claim it’s not really racism. How is that rational?

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 10:04 PM

I sat in those conventions. I voted with my neighbors, supporters of many different candidates. The Paul people used the system the way it was set up. They out volunteered, out worked, out organized and thus control, the inner workings of the party and its leadership postions. When it was obvious Romney had the numbers, they concentrated on strengthening the Party Planks moving them mostly right. My impression is many are novices that are highly motivated and organized by knowledgeable leaders and are in this for the long haul.

First timers to the process some of whom rarely, if ever voted before.
We need their hard working enthusiasm to get out the vote and get out the Liberals and RINOs if our country is to be saved from the socialists.
If the Republican Party was loved, if it was not fat and lazy, there would have been not so much room for these hard working volunteers.

ConcealedKerry on June 21, 2012 at 10:04 PM

A man who claims he doesn’t read his own newsletters. Rational? Really? Vice-president? Rational? Really?

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 10:05 PM

My congressman said it well, Steve King,

“I trust Mitt Romney to do the right thing, some of you may not but you can always trust Barack Obama to do the wrong thing.”

He called for unity and from the Ron Paul people I talked to, and encouraged to get on board, the attitude was ABO!

ConcealedKerry on June 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Can the fast and furious thin help ron paul get elected? Rational thought here…..

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM

First timers to the process some of whom rarely, if ever voted before.
We need their hard working enthusiasm to get out the vote and get out the Liberals and RINOs if our country is to be saved from the socialists.

ConcealedKerry on June 21, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Seconded.

Punchenko on June 21, 2012 at 10:16 PM

At least we’ll be rid of the distraction he causes while we’re trying to defend conservatism.

T-Rav on June 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM

You won’t be rid of anything. The fact that Paul is popular underscores there’s a following for much of what he believes. Conservatism is, unfortunately, too wedded to the Republican party.

rickv404 on June 21, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Follow this to it’s conclusion: Ron Paul through some stupid alien pet trick is the Vice-Presidential Candidate. This is part of rational thinking: “What happens next?”

MSM: “Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist. Racist.”

And for once. They would be reporting the absolute full truth.

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 10:27 PM

The people I have met, that I have talked to know this is bigger than Ron Paul. Ron Paul is an old man who admitted he didn’t know if he had the stamina for a Presidential run.
This is about taking the Party back. Back from the RINO big spenders and war mongers.
With the Paul people at the helm the likes of Juan McCain, RINOs, writing unconstitutional legislation and fighting wars to win hearts and minds are in grave peril. They strengthened the Party Planks and moved them to the right, nothing to dislike there.

ConcealedKerry on June 21, 2012 at 10:30 PM

You won’t be rid of anything. The fact that Paul is popular underscores there’s a following for much of what he believes. Conservatism is, unfortunately, too wedded to the Republican party.

rickv404 on June 21, 2012 at 10:21 PM

So popular that he doesn’t have 200 delegates? So popular that he can’t get more the 1 or 2 % of the national vote?

Just saying he is popular doesn’t make it so. Real votes do. He can’t ever get real votes. He can get a few dozen to show up at a convention. He can’t get even a small percentage at the ballot box.

Your extension of your 15 minutes of political fame is over. You can’t get votes.

oldroy on June 21, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Allahpundit had me at “very, very, very, very, very, very.”

Logboy on June 21, 2012 at 11:10 PM

This is about taking the Party back. Back from the RINO big spenders and war mongers.
With the Paul people at the helm the likes of Juan McCain, RINOs, writing unconstitutional legislation and fighting wars to win hearts and minds are in grave peril. They strengthened the Party Planks and moved them to the right, nothing to dislike there.

To take the Party back, one has to get inside it.

Getting “inside” the Party means becoming a voting member of it. That position is called precinct committeeman. I commented about it above. You can read about “how it works” here: http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

Most incumbents, even the conservatives, won’t talk about this, because they like the status quo. If nothing changes inside the Party at the precinct level in their district, odds are 95% that they’ll cruise to a primary victory. The Party officers don’t want to talk about this for the same reason.

I’m a PC and also on the Maricopa County (AZ) Republican Executive Guidance Committee. Local and county committees can, for example, endorse their favored candidate in the all-important, traditionally-very-low-turnout primary elections. We endorsed the conservative in the county attorney primary and he ended up winning the primary because of it (I believe). We did not take a vote to endorse J.D. Hayworth over McCain because we didn’t think we had the votes for that and didn’t want to risk losing. Imagine, though, if every Republican Party county committee in AZ (14 — one county doesn’t have a Repub. organization at all) and all 30 legislative district committees had voted to endorse J.D. Hayworth over John McCain. In other words, the “grass roots” of the Party, the “backbone” of the Party, had repudiated McCain. I think it would have told the public a lot about the Party’s view of McCain. We conservatives in AZ could have done that — if more of us were in the PC ranks. Unfortunately, in 2008, about two-thirds of the PC slots were vacant. By 2010, we had about 50% filled. Now, we think we’ll be at close to 60% strength — but many of the new ones since 2010 will be Ron Paul supporters who really don’t support our Party Platform re national defense, national borders, etc.

The reason the Republican Party is not conservative enough for some conservatives is because there are not enough conservatives “in” the Republican Party — that is, in the precinct-level slots, the precinct committeeman slots.

It’s just basic American civics.

I hope this helps.

Thank you.

Cold Warrior

Cold Warrior on June 22, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Conservatism is, unfortunately, too wedded to the Republican party.
rickv404 on June 21, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Ron Paul is, unfortunately, too wedded to the Republican Party.

I had a lot more respect for him when he was a Libertarian.

But he sold out to become a Republican, for his own power and the chance to climb on the ‘porkmobile’.

LegendHasIt on June 22, 2012 at 12:50 AM

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