Breaking: Issa’s House committee votes to hold Holder in contempt; Update: Obama’s compounding the tragedy, says Brian Terry’s family

posted at 4:43 pm on June 20, 2012 by Allahpundit

Next stop: The House floor for a vote by the full chamber. The Hill seems unsure about how many GOP votes it’ll get, but c’mon. Even recalcitrant Republicans who think a court battle with The One is a needless distraction have no choice but to go to the mat for Issa now that O’s pulled his power play with executive privilege.

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, led by Republican Chairman Darrell Issa (Calif.), approved a resolution along party lines to place Holder in contempt after battling him for months over access to internal agency documents about the gun-tracking operation Fast and Furious…

Even with 242 Republicans in the House majority, it remains unclear whether the contempt measure would have the backing of the full caucus. Many GOP members have resisted action on the Fast and Furious issue out of a desire to keep the 2012 election focus on the economy and jobs…

If the measure against Holder passes the House, it would be sent to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, who would convene a grand jury that would decide whether to indict Holder. The U.S. Attorney’s office would be the designated prosecutor for the committee if Holder were to be indicted. The attorney general would face a maximum sentence of one year in prison if convicted by a jury.

Boehner just announced that the House will vote next week — unless, of course, O decides to play ball and turn over the documents Issa requested. Which, given that this is now a partisan death struggle in the middle of a campaign, I’m guessing he won’t do. What happens if the House votes yes? Three possibilities, according to CQ. One: The House could, er, have Holder arrested. Doubtful. Two, as noted in the Hill piece: Boehner and Issa could ask the DOJ to prosecute Holder. Since Holder runs the DOJ, let’s call that one doubtful too. Three: The House could file a civil lawsuit against Holder demanding the documents, at which point he and O would assert executive privilege and off we’d go to federal court for a constitutional battle over separation of powers. I would guess that you’ll see some sort of deal at that point since both sides will be leery of an adverse outcome. Obama doesn’t want a court ruling dropped on him in the last few months before the election compelling him to turn over damaging documents and the GOP doesn’t want to hand O a talking point about that damned obstructionist do-nothing Republican Congress sabotaging his progressive gunrunning scheme, etc, especially while Romney’s trying to get a word in edgewise about the misery of Obamanomics.

Multiple updates coming. Stand by.

Update: I saw chatter on Twitter this morning to the effect that Obama’s invocation of executive privilege proves that he must have been personally involved in Fast & Furious. Not so, apparently. At Breitbart, Ken Klukowski clarifies:

As I’ve written before, there are two types of executive privilege. One is a strong form rooted in the Constitution, called the presidential communication privilege. But there is another type, much weaker and rooted in common law instead of the Constitution, called the deliberative process privilege. That second, weaker variety is what President Obama invoked today regarding Holder.

It’s still the White House asserting the privilege, because only the president can assert executive privilege for his entire administration.

Shannen Coffin made the same point over at the Corner. The point of the “deliberative process privilege” is that you don’t want executive-branch officials afraid to be candid with each other in day to day operations for fear that their communications will later be subpoenaed by Congress and aired on the evening news. So Obama has an argument there; the counterargument is that, er, a privilege shouldn’t be abused as cover for hugely damaging and possibly illegal DOJ activity. Coffin thinks a court ruling on whether the privilege will be allowed here will turn on whether the documents are necessary to aid Congress in performing its lawmaking function. Granted, there’s no bill currently under consideration regarding gunrunning (I think), but there might well be in the future depending upon how bad this gets. As such, both Coffin and Klukowski think a court would rule to quash the privilege and make Obama turn over the documents — assuming we actually get that far.

Update: Needless to say, Brian Terry’s parents have had enough stalling on finding out how their son ended up being gunned down:

Terry family attorney Pat McGroder on Wednesday released the following statement from Terry’s parents Josephine Terry and Kent Terry Sr.: “Attorney General Eric Holder’s refusal to fully disclose the documents associated with Operation Fast and Furious and President Obama’s assertion of executive privilege serves to compound this tragedy. It denies the Terry family and the American people the truth.”

The Terrys said that their son “was killed by members of a Mexican drug cartel armed with weapons from this failed Justice Department gun trafficking investigation. For more than 18 months we have been asking our federal government for justice and accountability. The documents sought by the House Oversight Committee and associated with Operation Fast and Furious should be produced and turned over to the committee. Our son lost his life protecting this nation, and it is very disappointing that we are now faced with an administration that seems more concerned with protecting themselves rather than revealing the truth behind Operation Fast and Furious.”

The family of ICE agent Jaime Zapata, who was also killed with a gun involved in Fast & Furious, announced today that they’re filing a wrongful death suit against the DOJ and other federal agencies.

Update: Video fun via the Examiner of The One declaring in 2005 that the Attorney General is the people’s attorney, not the president’s. Huh. Are the people clamoring not to know how the rolling, murderous clusterfark known as Fast & Furious came to be?

Update: On a similar note, Mediaite dug up this nugget of Holder doing his “above politics” shtick in 2009:

I understand that the attorney general is different from every other cabinet officer. Though I am a part of the president’s team, I am not a part of the president’s team in the way that any other cabinet officer is. I have a special and unique responsibility.

There has to be a distance between me and the president. The president-elect said when he nominated me that he recognized that, that the attorney general was different from other cabinet officers.

Three years later, he’s running to Obama for an ass-covering assertion of privilege. Which O, fearing yet another major election-year headache, was only too happy to grant.

Update: Right on cue, via Newsbusters, there’s an MSNBC contributor insisting that the GOP is the loser in all this, not Obama and Holder. I do think there are misgivings among the leadership about pursuing this (Fox News is hearing that too), not only because it’ll push Romney off center stage but because I think Republicans in Congress are still shellshocked by the political beating they took when they went after Clinton in the late 1990s. But this train has now left the station: They’re going to proceed at least to the point of challenging his assertion of the privilege. Besides, how exactly does O spin this? “Can you believe these Republicans wasting America’s time by demanding to know about my gunrunning operation?”


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CaptainNed on June 20, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Now if Mr. Lowell will only process that piece of information. Facts are pesky things.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 7:58 PM

My take.

kingsjester on June 20, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 7:15 PM

New troll here?
I don’t recognize this one.

Count to 10 on June 20, 2012 at 7:37 PM

…last night Lanceman was complaining that they were few and far between and of reject quality…but I know they will pop up more and more to try and overwhelm HA before the election…so you swat them as they come and avoid the herd by amusing them!

KOOLAID2 on June 20, 2012 at 8:01 PM

KOOLAID2 on June 20, 2012 at 8:01 PM

He’s been around. He rarely comments.

kingsjester on June 20, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 7:46 PM

I’ll be checking in and out tonight. I’m tired from simultaneously reloading the Holder contempt stuff, tracking the links on twitter, and watching C-Span simultaneously. I actually tried listening to Rush too, but it was information overload.

I’ve been waiting for this day for a long time. Finally a concrete step toward bringing those responsible for the bloody F&F to justice.

Trey Gowdy is supposed to be on AC. I don’t watch CNN much, but I’m going to watch him.

In fact, coming on now.

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 8:04 PM

New troll here?
I don’t recognize this one.

Count to 10 on June 20, 2012 at 7:37 PM

No, Drool has been around for a while. Just doesn’t post much.

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Like the M1 Ban? You are deeply uninformed.

G- (patent pending Del Dolemonte)

dogsoldier on June 20, 2012 at 7:50 PM

lol, patent granted.

A+

Del Dolemonte on June 20, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Wow.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Yeah, I know, Drool likes algae also.

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 8:07 PM

He’s been around. He rarely comments.

kingsjester on June 20, 2012 at 8:03 PM

….ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!…he’s just stoopid!…I don’t pick on those kind of people…I usually help them across the street…feel bad for them and don’t want them to hurt themselves.
Sorry.

KOOLAID2 on June 20, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Our trolls seem more unhinged than usual. Should be a fun few months.

txhsmom on June 20, 2012 at 8:07 PM

G- (patent pending Del Dolemonte)

dogsoldier on June 20, 2012 at 7:50 PM

LOL!

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 8:08 PM

He’s been around. He rarely comments.

kingsjester on June 20, 2012 at 8:03 PM

; ) Just a wee bit ahead of me there kingsjester. ; )

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Hi, Beem.

Anderson Cooper sucks. Gowdy solid.

Cooper can’t lay a glove on him.

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 8:10 PM

So… why is Boner holding off bringing this to the floor until next week?

FFS.

Midas on June 20, 2012 at 8:10 PM

KOOLAID2 on June 20, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Kool, if I might add, Drool is third tier at best.

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 8:10 PM

novaculus, Gowdy has been awesome!

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Simple question, yes or no: Should U.S. gun shops, “near the border” or elsewhere, be required to report multiple sales of rifles/long guns to law enforcement?

Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Wow.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 7:46 PM

I believe that many of the gun shops used in this action, called the ATF to give them a heads up on what they were seeing. They were told to go ahead and make the sales.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Issa’s committee has the calls to ATF on tape.

CaptainNed on June 20, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Wow, this Drew Lowell character is an utterly clueless moron, isn’t he? Fact No. 1 in this whole mess is that the gun shop owners CALLED BATF and were told (more like “ordered”) to go ahead and sell to obvious criminal types in order to further this evil and murderous scheme.

ebrown2 on June 20, 2012 at 8:16 PM

I asked:

Simple question, yes or no: Should U.S. gun shops, “near the border” or elsewhere, be required to report multiple sales of rifles/long guns to law enforcement?

And thirty minutes later… not a single direct answer. Pretty much what I thought would happen. Thanks for living down to expectations, hypocrites. You all have a good night now.

Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 8:17 PM

I’m hoping romney comes out and says something the the effect of:

“As President of the United States, the day after my inauguration, all the documents will be released to the House committee that has been requesting them for over 18 months. I am calling on President Obama and AG Holder to publically state and promise they will protect all evidence and neither shred, destroy, delete nor otherwise make it disappear.”

Khun Joe on June 20, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Wow, you are as delusional as the DrewDoll, it seems.

You’re talking about same Romney whose team destroyed as many documents as they could when he was leaving office in MA?

That Romney?

Wow!

riddick on June 20, 2012 at 8:17 PM

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 8:04 PM

After ignoring it for the entire time, it will be interesting to see how MSM manages to make The Won the victim.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Luke Russert is SUCH a tool. The male Meghan McCain. Afraid if he said anything other than the liberal playbook that his Manhattan buddies would boo him out of the bar on week-ends.

Marcus on June 20, 2012 at 8:19 PM

novaculus, Gowdy has been awesome!

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM

If we hold House in November I prey its either West or Gowdy as our new Speaker of the House, otherwise its all for naught.

riddick on June 20, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 8:17 PM

And you were told that the gun shop owners did notify ATF. Have you ever bought a pistol or a rifle? You don’t just pull it off the shelf, meander through the check out and then leave with your purchase. There is paper work, less on long guns but paperwork nonetheless.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 8:21 PM

I believe that many of the gun shops used in this action, called the ATF to give them a heads up on what they were seeing. They were told to go ahead and make the sales.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Issa’s committee has the calls to ATF on tape.

CaptainNed on June 20, 2012 at 7:52 PM

There’s no hope; Drew Lowell seems to be of a very special brand of stupid.

slickwillie2001 on June 20, 2012 at 8:21 PM

George zimmerman only killed one person, in self defense and hes in jail. Cuff em and stuff em.

ConcealedKerry on June 20, 2012 at 8:22 PM

And thirty minutes later… not a single direct answer. Pretty much what I thought would happen. Thanks for living down to expectations, hypocrites. You all have a good night now.

Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Hey moron! The question HAS been answered a number of times already, too bad your reading comprehension sucks big time and you didn’t want to follow the links provided where it was MADE CLEAR there are TAPED PHONE CALLS FROM GUN SHOPS TO ATF.

In true liberal fashion you guy make idiots look good.

riddick on June 20, 2012 at 8:23 PM

I asked:

Simple question, yes or no: Should U.S. gun shops, “near the border” or elsewhere, be required to report multiple sales of rifles/long guns to law enforcement?

And thirty minutes later… not a single direct answer. Pretty much what I thought would happen. Thanks for living down to expectations, hypocrites. You all have a good night now.

Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 8:17 PM

All sales are already reported. All they have to do is sort the records they already have by name. The additional form that Holder wants is intended to add additional burdens on the dealers, not to serve a legitimate purpose.

So, NO.

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Wow, this Drew Lowell character is an utterly clueless moron, isn’t he? Fact No. 1 in this whole mess is that the gun shop owners CALLED BATF and were told (more like “ordered”) to go ahead and sell to obvious criminal types in order to further this evil and murderous scheme.

ebrown2 on June 20, 2012 at 8:16 PM

I asked:

Simple question, yes or no: Should U.S. gun shops, “near the border” or elsewhere, be required to report multiple sales of rifles/long guns to law enforcement?

And thirty minutes later… not a single direct answer. Pretty much what I thought would happen. Thanks for living down to expectations, hypocrites. You all have a good night now.

Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Wow, I was proved correct within a minute of posting. This lying idiot completely ignores the fact that these sales were not only -reported- to the BATF, but that the agency deliberately told the owners to violate federal law and sell to criminals. We have a specimen of utter intellectual dishonesty and cowardice here, for sure.

ebrown2 on June 20, 2012 at 8:25 PM

ebrown2 on June 20, 2012 at 8:25 PM

A paper trail on every firearm. And as you point out, it doesn’t matter what the rules are if you instruct the Federal Firearms Licensees to violate the rules and the law.

And one of those dealers specifically demanded assurance that the weapons weren’t being allowed to get to criminal hands. He had friends in law enforcement, as do virtually all dealers, and he told them he feared for their safety and didn’t want to be involved in anything that put his friends at risk.

Of course, they lied to him.

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Drew? What is the long gun registry? Ask Diane Feinstein when you are in the office tomorrow. The ATF has already implemented a multi-gun reporting requirement all on their own. No need for Congress. But you probably knew that.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 8:32 PM

The stupidest part is NOT Issa’s ongoing “request for documents” that could not possibly reveal something worse than people dying from a botched DoJ sting, which everyone already knows and which Holder has already admitted. Issa and the GOP’s motives are 100% about politics and zero about justice.

Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 7:15 PM

I can think of something far stupider than that- the idea that there could not possibly be anything worse than we already know in the 100,000+ pages of documents DOJ refuses to produce, yet they still staunchly refuse to produce them even at the risk of contempt charges. I’m a bit skeptical of the conspiracy angle myself, but whatever they’re hiding, it has to be awful Earth-shattering information.

NukeRidingCowboy on June 20, 2012 at 8:32 PM

The idea of a scum like Darrel Issa having anything to do with Government Oversight and Reform was always a sick joke.

Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Word for word the same comment I saw at Daily Kos a couple of hours ago.

I have marveled at the ability of the NRA to stir up you gun nuts against the President, even though his Administration has done nothing to restrict access to firearms. I shouldn’t have been surprised. The sick “anti-gun conspiracy” fantasy regarding the F&F operation shows you people really will believe anything.

Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 7:15 PM

O’bama himself told Sarah Brady and her husband that his “Administration” was going to do something to control guns. He said they would do it “under the radar”.

F-

Del Dolemonte on June 20, 2012 at 7:35 PM

On March 30, the 30th anniversary of the assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan, Jim Brady, who sustained a debilitating head wound in the attack, and his wife, Sarah, came to Capitol Hill to push for a ban on the controversial “large magazines.” Brady, for whom the law requiring background checks on handgun purchasers is named, then met with White House press secretary Jay Carney. During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.

“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.” Source

Flora Duh on June 20, 2012 at 8:32 PM

I don’t agree with the idea that this shouldn’t be pursued this close to an election. Yes, the economy should have top billing but are we not able to multitask? Each candidate should be fully examined on all the issues. I think this goes to the heart of whether Obama deserves a second term. Either he chose poorly in picking Holder as AG which reflects poorly on his judgment or he’s covering for a criminal, which reflects poorly on his judgment and character or he, himself is involved in some way and that surely reflects on his character. The GOP can get on top of this and frame it as the problem it is. Why is Holder not complying with a legal subpoena and why is Obama protecting him? Innocent people don’t hide things. Why is Obama making this an issue when the election needs to be focused on the economy? These are all reasonable questions and I don’t think following up on contempt charges makes republicans look bad. It makes them look like they are watching after America’s best interests.

hopeful on June 20, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Drew,
Zodiac Diane not available to tell you what to do next?

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Long gun registry. ATF…. oh Drew?

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 8:39 PM

I’m in Tucson. Somehow, I’m pretty sure any gunshop here would regard me buying 100 AK’s at a clip as a possible straw purchase and notify BATF. As noted in previous posts, it did indeed happen. They were told to make the sales.

So no, a law reporting me for buying 2 at once won’t do crap.

Epic fail.

wolly4321 on June 20, 2012 at 8:40 PM

I asked:

Simple question, yes or no: Should U.S. gun shops, “near the border” or elsewhere, be required to report multiple sales of rifles/long guns to law enforcement?

And thirty minutes later… not a single direct answer. Pretty much what I thought would happen. Thanks for living down to expectations, hypocrites. You all have a good night now.

Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Translation from trollspeak: “I was given answers that showed I didn’t know what I was talking about so I’m going to run away now”

Wow, the troll quality has REALLY declined at HA.

Fighton03 on June 20, 2012 at 8:41 PM

So no, a law reporting me for buying 2 at once won’t do crap.

Epic fail.

wolly4321 on June 20, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Congress passed no law. But the ATF has come up with their own multi-gun long gun reporting rule. They have what they want already.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Sorry, I know that translation was unnecessary, the HA crowd is fully fluent in Libtroll.

Fighton03 on June 20, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Long gun registry. ATF…. oh Drew?

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 8:39 PM

And thirty minutes later… not a single direct answer. Pretty much what I thought would happen. Thanks for living down to expectations, hypocrites. You all have a good night now.

Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 8:17 PM

…he left!…I told you!…those are the kind of people I usually help across the street…hope he’s ok!
(He’s like possum or racoon on the highway!)

KOOLAID2 on June 20, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I asked:

Simple question, yes or no: Should U.S. gun shops, “near the border” or elsewhere, be required to report multiple sales of rifles/long guns to law enforcement?

And thirty minutes later… not a single direct answer. Pretty much what I thought would happen. Thanks for living down to expectations, hypocrites. You all have a good night now.

Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Translation from trollspeak: “I was given answers that showed I didn’t know what I was talking about so I’m going to run away now”

Wow, the troll quality has REALLY declined at HA.

Fighton03 on June 20, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Yeah, Cindy Munford answered it, but even the trolls are on welfare and just mailing it in.

HornetSting on June 20, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Oldroy- you mean that Federal law that only applies to certain States?

Mine is one of them. It’s okay, I can pay cash at a gunshow. The libs hate that. I love it,

wolly4321 on June 20, 2012 at 8:56 PM

…he left!…I told you!…those are the kind of people I usually help across the street…hope he’s ok!
(He’s like possum or racoon on the highway!)

KOOLAID2 on June 20, 2012 at 8:48 PM

He has a schedule and quota to keep up with. Guessing he works in Senator Feinstein’s office. She’s the one that has been “beotchin” about a national gun registry. She hasn’t said a word about the ATF implementing their own rules about long guns multi-gun sales.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Isn’t it only for 4 States? What kind of Federal law is that? Is that how it works?

wolly4321 on June 20, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Oldroy- you mean that Federal law that only applies to certain States?

Mine is one of them. It’s okay, I can pay cash at a gunshow. The libs hate that. I love it,

wolly4321 on June 20, 2012 at 8:56 PM

No, I mean the ATF requiring gun dealers to report multiple gun sales. Its the ATF’s “rule”.

ATF long gun registry

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Obama and Holder, like OBL, are guilty of mass murder. Mexico should, if it could do it, send a team in to take them both to Mexico to stand trial. It would be their right.

VorDaj on June 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Yeah, Cindy Munford answered it, but even the trolls are on welfare and just mailing it in.

HornetSting on June 20, 2012 at 8:54 PM

I usually just lurk here and enjoy the show, but occasionally snipe a troll or two.

I noticed a few other HA regulars commenting on troll quality a little while ago but didn’t really think on it til this putz. To carry on your nice analogy, this was a foodstamp level troll if there ever was one.

Fighton03 on June 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM

When I get elected POTUS, I’m gonna write law, Federal law, that only applies to. Lib states. Maybe a different tax rate too, because hey,,, I’m the king now.

wolly4321 on June 20, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Whether or not guns are registered or reported here, and they are per ATF requirements, isn’t there a border between here (TX, NM, AZ and CA) and Mexico?

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 9:17 PM

ATF long gun registry is Federal law applicible to 4 States. It’s in your link. That’s my point. There’s a serious problem when federal law can be State specific, don’t you think?

wolly4321 on June 20, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Aparrently there isn’t a border. In either direction.

wolly4321 on June 20, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Yes. But it’s not law. It’s designed to catch people who are buying guns and sending them over the border. It was implemented by the ATF and a court order. How do you make law at the court and the ATF.

But if the point of drewtroll was that only a registry or reporting of multiple sales will solve the problem, looks like that is already in place. Looks to me that the only way the problem gets solved is that Mexico stands on it’s own two feet.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 9:28 PM

President Obama has committed to making his administration the most open and transparent in history…

[archived at http://www.webcitation.org/5wFJjivhF]

ITguy on June 20, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Not a single democrat showed any honour. Not one.

wolly4321 on June 20, 2012 at 9:33 PM

be required to report multiple sales of rifles/long guns to law enforcement?

 
And thirty minutes later… not a single direct answer. Pretty much what I thought would happen. Thanks for living down to expectations, hypocrites. You all have a good night now.
 
Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 8:17 PM

 
Goodness, after such a sensible and direct question.
 
It’s sort of sweet that you don’t even know enough about the topic to know how to ask the right question. Obama 2012!!/!
 
Should they be required to follow existing federal law?
Should they be required to follow existing state law?
Should they be required to follow existing county law?
Should they be required to follow existing local law?
Should they be required to contact town LEOs?
Should they be required to contact county LEOs?
Should they be required to contact state LEOs?
Should they be required to contact federal LEOs?
Should they be required to contact the BATF?
Should they be required to …
 
One of those is what you need. Lots of folks are willing to help you learn about difficult topics (as evidenced by the responses). Just be open minded enough to ask when you don’t understand something.
 

Thanks for living down to expectations, hypocrites.

 
Ha. Well done. Thanks for that.

rogerb on June 20, 2012 at 9:34 PM

New troll here?
I don’t recognize this one.

Count to 10 on June 20, 2012 at 7:37 PM
No, Drool has been around for a while. Just doesn’t post much.

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Now don’t be confusing me with this guy. :)

Moose Drool on June 20, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Flora Duh on June 20, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Yep, that’s our Drool.

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 9:37 PM

I asked:

Simple question, yes or no: Should U.S. gun shops, “near the border” or elsewhere, be required to report multiple sales of rifles/long guns to law enforcement?

And thirty minutes later… not a single direct answer. Pretty much what I thought would happen. Thanks for living down to expectations, hypocrites. You all have a good night now.

Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 8:17 PM

How can you post at Hot Air and still be this painfully uninformed?

The DID report the sales, and were told, by the government, to let them ‘walk’. That’s why this is known as a gun walking operation. The whole point of the Congressional inquiry is to determine WHO authorized an operation which resulted in hundreds of deaths, including two American LEOs.

Way to beclown yourself.

BadgerHawk on June 20, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Official: The Sinoloan drug cartel is in the choomg gang.

wolly4321 on June 20, 2012 at 9:40 PM

No. He claimed to be a black man with a partner. A writer. A teacher or professor.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 5:13 PM

A professor both writes and teaches. Do you all know *nothing* about higher education?

libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 9:42 PM

When his DOJ is asked to hand over information, he just calls Executive Privilege. He is The Most Arrogant Man in the World #MostArrogantManInTheWorld

LoganSix on June 20, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Is there any chance that these emails will be released to Rep. Issa in edited form? Is that possible?

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 9:43 PM

A professor both writes and teaches. Do you all know *nothing* about higher education?

libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Lmfao. When you stretch this far to get a dig in, you have admitted your defeat.

You people are hilariously pathetic!

tom daschle concerned on June 20, 2012 at 9:45 PM

libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 9:42 PM

What gives? Are the re-runs of Big Bang Theory over?

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Now don’t be confusing me with this guy. :)

Moose Drool on June 20, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Never, moose are smart. Think Bullwinkle, wait…………I like you. ; )

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 9:55 PM

He doesn’t need them given to him in editted form. He has them all and his people editted them.

Methinks he has a super-mole. It’s gonna be fun. Someone broke and spilled the beans.

Count it.

wolly4321 on June 20, 2012 at 9:56 PM

libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Who the hell rattled your cage?

Moose Drool on June 20, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Heh.

Moose Drool on June 20, 2012 at 9:57 PM

No. He claimed to be a black man with a partner. A writer. A teacher or professor.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 5:13 PM

A professor both writes and teaches. Do you all know *nothing* about higher education?

libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Hey Professor? It doesn’t say writer, or teacher or professor, now does it? You must be tired from all of your hard work to miss that.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 9:59 PM

No. He claimed to be a black man with a partner. A writer. A teacher or professor.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 5:13 PM

.
A professor both writes and teaches. Do you all know *nothing* about higher education?

libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 9:42 PM

.
Sure, sixty or more years ago, they did.

Now they just indoctrinate, and agitate.

listens2glenn on June 20, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 9:55 PM

I believe he is a part of the alumni of Wossamotta U.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 10:01 PM

libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 9:42 PM

I sure hope you are lying about being at UVA.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 10:01 PM

; )

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Actually, I attended a college whose curriculum was centered around eating utensils. Fork University. Or as we liked to call it, good ol’ “Fork U”. ;)

Moose Drool on June 20, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 9:55 PM

I believe he is a part of the alumni of Wossamotta U.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 10:01 PM

“Hey, Rocky, watch me pull an idiotic rationalization out of my hat!”

“AGAIN?”

ebrown2 on June 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM

A professor both writes and teaches. Do you all know *nothing* about higher education?

libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 9:42 PM

We know about the “higher” part…

Del Dolemonte on June 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Ha. Well done. Thanks for that.

rogerb on June 20, 2012 at 9:34 PM

rogerb, I just know one of these days the lessons are going to take. You and I share that eternal optimism. ; )

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Moose Drool on June 20, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Was there a fight song?

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM

I sure hope you are lying about being at UVA.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 10:12 PM

You do realize that part of the fun of an online blog is you get to behave in a way you can’t in your professional world right?

libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 10:23 PM

You do realize that part of the fun of an online blog is you get to behave in a way you can’t in your professional world right?

libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 10:23 PM

And your profession is welfare queen bon-bon munching couch potato, correct?

OmahaConservative on June 20, 2012 at 10:33 PM

libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Or, you can just make up a background story.

kingsjester on June 20, 2012 at 10:36 PM

libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 10:23 PM

I don’t but I sure hope you are.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Bullseye.

kingsjester on June 20, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Do you all know *nothing* about higher education?
 
libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 9:42 PM

 
Just a bunch of bus monitors.

rogerb on June 20, 2012 at 10:51 PM

libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 9:42 PM

…I’ve asked this already!…you don’t by chance… know any idiots in your professional life…do you?

KOOLAID2 on June 20, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Given enough time, I’m sure I could come up with one. And it would probably be VERY un-PC. And I’m sure you wouldn’t want it any other way. ;)

Moose Drool on June 20, 2012 at 10:56 PM

You do realize that part of the fun of an online blog is you get to behave in a way you can’t in your professional world right?

libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Well, you try to sound intelligent here. I guess that must be the behavior you can’t attempt in your professional world. Am I right?

Moose Drool on June 20, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Moose Drool on June 20, 2012 at 10:56 PM

I look forward to it!!

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 11:00 PM

You do realize that part of the fun of an online blog is you get to behave in a way you can’t in your professional world right?

libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 10:23 PM

I certainly agree that you can’t push your mop in an adult theater online as you do in your “professional” world. Right?

viking01 on June 20, 2012 at 11:06 PM

viking01 on June 20, 2012 at 11:06 PM

LOL! Ouch.

Cindy Munford on June 20, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Actually, I attended a college whose curriculum was centered around eating utensils. Fork University. Or as we liked to call it, good ol’ “Fork U”. ;)

Moose Drool on June 20, 2012 at 10:17 PM

I knew there was a reason I liked you. ; )

Bmore on June 20, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Impeach and remove Obama from office. That would guarantee a Republican win in November. My aunt Tilly’s bowel movement could beat President Biden.

The Rogue Tomato on June 21, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Update: Right on cue, via Newsbusters, there’s an MSNBC contributor insisting that the GOP is the loser in all this, not Obama and Holder.

That’s because – true to form, the GOP hasn’t done a damn thing that is substantive on this.

So they’ve voted him in contempt? Whoopty-Doo!

Nothing at all will happen now until well after the election – and if Willard McDole wins – this whole thing will be dropped and Obama will simply give Holder a Presidential pardon – or whatever it’s called – to keep Holder from ever being prosecuted.

Kabooki theater – just like Greece. We all know it’s going to collapse – it’s just a matter of when so who cares who won that election? And we all know NOTHING is ever going to be done about F&F – and all of this is just hyperventilation for votes.

If the GOP is serious – why did the House not act sooner on this? Why hasn’t the house pulled funding for the BATF and other parts of the Justice Department involved in this?

Hell – kill all funding to the BATF and the Justice Department until they become law-abiding agencies again. These are lawless agencies and the GOP WILL NOT use every tool at their disposal to bring them into compliance.

This makes the GOP just as complicit in this unconstitutional mess as Obama is. When you tolerate a crime – you become a conspirator in the crime.

HondaV65 on June 21, 2012 at 2:23 AM

Drew Lowell on June 20, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Like the M1 Ban? You are deeply uninformed.

G- (patent pending Del Dolemonte)

dogsoldier on June 20, 2012 at 7:50 PM

lol, patent granted.

A+

Del Dolemonte on June 20, 2012 at 8:07 PM

More like pandering pending.

Well. Isn’t this a precious piece of journalistic savoir~faire?
Ole Del loves when he can perform like some narcissistic circus monkey by nodding approval to pimped-out, pedestrian remarks by another of his ilk.

I expect Ole Deldouchebag to write some pithy remark about how brilliant he thinks he is in a lame smack down attempt on yours truly, followed by some other HA nitwit confirming same.

You A$$h0le$ give real conservatives a bad name.

DevilsPrinciple on June 21, 2012 at 6:19 AM

One of those is what you need. Lots of folks are willing to help you learn about difficult topics (as evidenced by the responses). Just be open minded enough to ask when you don’t understand something.

Thanks for living down to expectations, hypocrites.

Ha. Well done. Thanks for that.

rogerb on June 20, 2012 at 9:34 PM

I sure as hell hope you’re not referring to people here. They( the self~proclaimed HA “intelligentsia”) spend far too much time in here worrying about whether the carpet matches the drapes to know much to reply to anyone authoritatively on any subject. I sincerely doubt that your condescending tone of self~righteousness will elicit any requests for the type of “hi er edamucation” you may believe you offer.

DevilsPrinciple on June 21, 2012 at 6:31 AM

Actually, I attended a college whose curriculum was centered around eating utensils. Fork University. Or as we liked to call it, good ol’ “Fork U”. ;)

Moose Drool on June 20, 2012 at 10:17 PM

I knew there had to be a reason you’re so “Forked Up”…..

DevilsPrinciple on June 21, 2012 at 6:35 AM

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