Breaking: Eric Holder asks for executive privilege on subpoenaed F&F documents; Update: And gets it

posted at 10:36 am on June 20, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

What in the sam hill is in these documents?

Last night, Chairman Darrell Issa declared that Attorney General Eric Holder had failed to provide sufficient documentation or a worthwhile-enough ‘briefing’ to forestall today’s scheduled contempt proceedings. Ahead of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee’s vote this morning, Holder finally decided to go straight to the top and ask his boss to invoke executive privilege on the outstanding documents included in last October’s Congressional subpoena. From Katie Pavlich, live on the Hill:

Just 15 minutes before the House Oversight Committee vote against Attorney General Eric Holder takes place, the Department of Justice has asked the White House to insert Executive Privilege for all Operation Fast and Furious documents according to Chairman Issa’s press secretary Becca Watkins.

Fox News is reporting that The Most Transparent Administration Ever has granted Holder’s request and will indeed allow him executive privilege to withhold the documents.

President Obama has granted an 11th-hour request by Attorney General Eric Holder to exert executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents, a last-minute maneuver that appears unlikely to head off a contempt vote against Holder by Republicans in the House.

Executive privilege is not a common tactic — the president’s authority can still be overturned (don’t you just love checks and balances?), but this could mean a showdown between our several branches of government. Doesn’t exactly do much to bolster the White House’s story that ‘this isn’t a cover-up’ and ‘the higher-ups were uninvolved in this operation,’ does it?

Regardless, the contempt vote is scheduled to move forward. If the Oversight Committee votes yes (and it looks like they will), that moves the proceedings over to the House. If the full House votes to hold Holder in contempt, it goes to a grand jury, and if a grand jury indicts Holder, it goes to trial.

Updates to follow…

Update: It appears that Eric Holder sent his letter to the White House requesting executive privilege last night, and this morning, Deputy Attorney General James Cole sent a letter to Chairman Issa informing the Committee of the White House’s assent.

Dear Mr. Chairman:

After you rejected the Department’s recent offers of additional accommodations, you stated that the Committee intends to proceed with its scheduled meeting to consider a resolution citing the Attorney General for contempt for failing to comply with the Committee’s subpoena of October 11, 2011. I write now to inform you that the President has asserted executive privilege over the relevant post-February 4, 2011, documents.

We regret that we have arrived at this point, after the many steps we have taken to address the Committee’s concerns and to accommodate the Committee’s legitimate oversight interests regarding Operation Fast and Furious. Although we are deeply disappointed that the Committee appears intent on proceeding with a contempt vote, the Department remains willing
to work with the Committee to reach a mutually satisfactory resolution of the outstanding issues.

Here’s another thought: Invoking executive privilege on this case is going to come off as a very dodgy and arrogant move. But the White House is willing to take on that bad press, and I can only presume that’s because whatever is in those documents… is much more damning than the alternative. Oh, the tangled webs we weave!

Update: The blogosphere has often lamented about the mainstream media’s lack of consistent interest in the deadly Fast and Furious scandal — they wouldn’t want to report too thoroughly on anything that might harm their darling president’s image, you know. But President Obama asserting his supreme authority into the fray has made this the top story of the day. Just search for breaking news related to “executive privilege.” It’s exploding. Heh. No more sweeping this under the rug now.


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What in the sam hill is in these documents?

There can only be one explanation, and that is the truth will be the end of any hope Obama has for reelection. It may well mean top officials of the DOJ, including Holder and Breuer, will face criminal charges.

They are fighting for their political lives. The documents show the blood trail leads through the DOJ and Eric Holder’s office straight to the White House and the Oval Office.

If they could have pushed this criminal conspiracy off on underlings and sacrificed them, they would have done it already. The only possible justification for the complete stonewall and the huge risks it poses for Obama politically is the certainty that the truth will destroy his administration.

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Vote probably in 40 minutes or an hour…..

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Norton: “The public doesn’t understand.” My God.

I’ve got to say, I’ve never watched one of these hearings before. This is the level of intellect on the left? And we get beat by these people?

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 3:46 PM

My exact thots. We’re ignorant/ I think we get beat by the “gimme free stuff” voters and some major fraud thrown in.

These Dems on this Committee have had months to bring their questions up.

bluefox on June 20, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Have they voted yet? Can’t get to a tv…

weaselyone on June 20, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Still blathering.

MadisonConservative on June 20, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Issa, enough already, call the vote.

D-fusit on June 20, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Have they voted yet? Can’t get to a tv…

weaselyone on June 20, 2012 at 3:51 PM

I could watch, but it’s so much more exciting to go back and forth refreshing twitter and HA.

txhsmom on June 20, 2012 at 3:54 PM

I voted for Shuler in 2008, but I corrected for it in 2010? But dayumed if he didn’t win anyway….

Turtle317 on June 20, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Remember to vote in 2012, and don’t forget to vote often ;)

Dr Evil on June 20, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Second amendment has failed. Two to go.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Turtle317 on June 20, 2012 at 3:48 PM

You are right. But how do we ever get beat by these people?

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Probably because leaders like Boehner always hide their heads in the sand tanning booth.

viking01 on June 20, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Good luck with that Mr AG hope you got a plan B.

Dr Evil on June 20, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Flee the country on Air Force One on the taxpayers’ tab?

Turtle317 on June 20, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Sounds like the Dems are putting up an Amendment or Amendments (missed some of it) but R Jason Chaffetz (R) Utah is objecting. Guess they want to put off this vote on Contempt against Holder today.

bluefox on June 20, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Issa can outlast them. Notice how screechy the dems are getting? They want to amend the report to include things that have nothing to do with the contempt. They are losing it.

Night Owl on June 20, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Dude, are you sure you’re not Deattomediahacks?
 
hawkdriver on June 20, 2012 at 1:53 PM

 

This again, didn’t I already respond? Didn’t rogerb already make his case? I thought the matter was settled.
 
libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 1:57 PM

 

You rambled on, never said no, and then you let the thread die.
 
rogerb on June 20, 2012 at 2:04 PM

 
Quite right :)
 
libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 2:07 PM

 
Re-post for hawkdriver.

rogerb on June 20, 2012 at 3:55 PM

If you want to keep track of the players, and the final vote– which will be a completely partisan split– here’s the list of committee members.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 3:55 PM

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 3:46 PM

In some districts it doesn’t matter what your character or intellect is, and if the Dem machine backs you, then you’re in. In other districts, they lie like mad, pretending to be centrists and voters fall for it. Rahm was responsible for pushing the Blue Dog meme, but ObamaCare pretty much destroyed that.

INC on June 20, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Good luck with that Mr AG hope you got a plan B.

Dr Evil on June 20, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Flee the country on Air Force One on the taxpayers’ tab?

Turtle317 on June 20, 2012 at 3:55 PM

I can’t imagine which country would take him in? I am guessing not Mexico.

Dr Evil on June 20, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Where’s Canopfor?

cmsinaz on June 20, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Eleanor Holmes Norton

Dr Evil on June 20, 2012 at 3:48 PM

As an OT aside, while I dislike her politics, I had a class with Norton that was decent.

Monkeytoe on June 20, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Gowdy up again. Very sharp.

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 3:59 PM

This is actually a GOOD amendment (introduced by Trey Gowdy (R-SC 4)?): asserts that the President has invoked Executive Privilege but that doesn’t relieve Holder of failure to comply with the Committee’s subpoena and he should be held in contempt.

Gowdy points out that we haven’t heard directly from the President invoking Executive Privilege. Still time for Obama to throw Holder under the bus?

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Rep. Gowdy: “We can only assume Executive Privilege since we’ve not actually heard from the President”. Right on. Right on. Right on.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Dr Evil on June 20, 2012 at 3:56 PM

That’s the answer. Offer to extradite Holder to Mexico.

viking01 on June 20, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Re-post for hawkdriver.

rogerb on June 20, 2012 at 3:55 PM

That’s pretty sad. That I can get libfreeordie to agree to one of my statements earlier. I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but when a “Deattomediahack” has to acknowledge an accurate statement on my behalf, they need to find someone closer to the administration to help him out…. /

Turtle317 on June 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Go Gowdy…!

Seven Percent Solution on June 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM

I like what Gowdy is saying, but he really needs to put a sock in it so we can get to the damned vote.

MadisonConservative on June 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Nah, have the vote at 5:45 and force the 6:00 news cycle to lead with it without time to get their spin together.

CaptainNed on June 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Have they voted yet? Can’t get to a tv…

weaselyone on June 20, 2012 at 3:51 PM

I could watch, but it’s so much more exciting to go back and forth refreshing twitter and HA.

txhsmom on June 20, 2012 at 3:54 PM

+1000 Plus the fact that 1) I’m at work and 2) the sight of desperately shrieking libs puts makes me struggle between laughing my a$$ off and wanting to vomit.

SteveInRTP on June 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Tell me Rep Connelly which Border Agent being murdered was Harriet Myer’s involved in?

Dr Evil on June 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM

What, exactly, do we expect to happen if Holder is held in contempt?

Monkeytoe on June 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM

For anyone who wants to watch: http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN3/

MadisonConservative on June 20, 2012 at 4:03 PM

D-VA rep asserts that Bush invoked executive privilege in the same way that he now claims Obama has: by letter issued through the DOJ.

Okay, then, Obama asserts EO. Works for me.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Oh, that’s how you spell it… kabuki… knew I’d find it out there somewhere. Yep, that’s what’s happening now thanks to the ill-thought out amendments by the Democrats…

…and they wonder why I don’t vote for them anymore.

Turtle317 on June 20, 2012 at 4:03 PM

What, exactly, do we expect to happen if Holder is held in contempt?

Monkeytoe on June 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM

It goes to the full House, where the debate will be even screechier.

CaptainNed on June 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM

From George O’Har, commenting on Power Line:

This is a big mistake on the president’s part. It’s like taking the Fifth Amendment.

either orr on June 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM

I could watch, but it’s so much more exciting to go back and forth refreshing twitter and HA.

txhsmom on June 20, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Same here, but I have C-Span feed on TV too. Keeping busy keeping up!

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM

I’m just stunned by this. I’m not a word-smith or an much of an orator. But even a flyover rube like my can see whats happening here. I’m surprised at the level of preparedness and thought by the Reps on the committee and the lack of any coherent argument by the Dems.

Just hope Chaffetz gets back to the 300 dead Mexicans.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 4:06 PM

What, exactly, do we expect to happen if Holder is held in contempt?

Monkeytoe on June 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Goes to the House and Boehner either:

1) schedules debate and a vote on the Committee resolution pronto (smartest move, IMHO), or
2) Boehner shifts focus to politics and the House leadership by diddling around, deciding whether to allow a vote or rounding up votes for a particular outcome.

If the House passes the Committee resolution, it gets interesting. Who down the DOJ chain of command can take the contempt charge to a Grand Jury? Is appointment of an attorney statutory or at the President’s discretion?

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:06 PM

I love what Chaffetz and Gowdy are doing today, kickin ass and takin names!

Dr. Conservative on June 20, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Tell me Rep Connelly which Border Agent being murdered was Harriet Myer’s involved in?

Dr Evil on June 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Eric Holder has been murdering people since the Clinton administration.

txhsmom on June 20, 2012 at 4:06 PM

John Tierney (D) so I would like to suggest that we wait, we should put this off for a week, it’s not like we didn’t ask for these documents months and months ago, the AG might turn them over who knows it could happen….more Stalling.

Dr Evil on June 20, 2012 at 4:07 PM

What, exactly, do we expect to happen if Holder is held in contempt?

Monkeytoe on June 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM

This is just a vote to take the vote to the whole house.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Terry Family statement:

“Attorney General Eric Holder’s refusal to fully disclose the documents associated with Operation Fast and Furious and President Obama’s assertion of executive privilege serves to compound this tragedy. It denies the Terry family and the American people the truth. Our son, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, was killed by memebers of a Mexican drug cartel armed with weapons from this failed Justice Department guntrafficking investigation. For more than 18 months, we have been asking our federal government for justice and accountability. The documents sought by the House Oversight Committee and associated with Operation Fast and Furious should be produced and turned over to the Committee. Our son lost his life protecting this nation, and it is very disappointing that we are now faced with an administration that seems more concerned with protecting themselves rather than revealing the truth behind Operation Fast and Furious.”

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 4:07 PM

They are putting the Terry Family statement in the record.

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Rep. Ann Marie Buerkle (R-NY25) has just introduced a statement from the Terry family. In effect urges that Holder be held in contempt.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:09 PM

The GOOD amendment just passed. One to go. (Well, they’re doing a roll call vote on the Welsh amendment which failed by voice vote earlier. It will fail again.)

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Just hope Chaffetz gets back to the 300 dead Mexicans.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 4:06 PM

I think they’re going with 400 here.

Mrs. Iselin: I’m sorry, hon’. Would it really make it easier for you if we settled on just one number?
Sen. Iselin: Yeah. Just one, real, simple number that’d be easy for me to remember.
[Mrs. Iselin watches her husband thump a bottle of Heinz Tomato Ketchup onto his plate]
Sen. Iselin: [addressing the Senate] There are exactly 57 card-carrying members of the Communist Party in the Department of Defense at this time!

verbaluce on June 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Wish there was a statement by the Mexican government. 300 dead Mexicans. They are our Neighbours. Failed nation-state, but neighbours nonetheless.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Presumably it is the US Attorney for DC. But congress can hire its own lawyers and proceed civilly too. That would be a request for a declaratory judgment that Holder is required to turn over the docs, followed by contempt of court if Holder defies the court’s order to turn over the docs.

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM

They are putting the Terry Family statement in the record.

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 4:08 PM

For matters of record and out of respect, I imagine. Something the administration knows nothing about.

SteveInRTP on June 20, 2012 at 4:12 PM

verbaluce on June 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM

What?

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Welsh amendment fails, again.

Now a roll call vote on the Lynch amendment. It will also fail again.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Wait…Kucinich is on this committee? Didn’t even realize. He’s been awful quiet.

MadisonConservative on June 20, 2012 at 4:14 PM

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Thanks. Good to know the Congress has a civil court recourse with its own attorneys.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:14 PM

They are putting the Terry Family statement in the record.

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 4:08 PM

It also becomes a permanent historical record on Obama’s… er… legacy.

Turtle317 on June 20, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Wait…Kucinich is on this committee? Didn’t even realize. He’s been awful quiet.

MadisonConservative on June 20, 2012 at 4:14 PM

He’s trying to tune in the aliens.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 4:15 PM

verbaluce on June 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM

What the f**k is wrong with you? Seriously. Every time a number is put forward about this case that is damning to your side, you just scoff and suggest that the number be inflated, as if it were of no substance. Willful ignorance is incredibly repulsive, you know. Might want to engage in a bit less of it.

Oh, that’s right. You’re nothing but a troll.

MadisonConservative on June 20, 2012 at 4:15 PM

They are putting the Terry Family statement in the record.

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Good. With this the Dems should hold their heads in shame over their stonewalling, if they had any last shred of decency.

INC on June 20, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Maloney amendment roll call vote. It failed on a voice vote a few minutes ago. All three Dem amendments have failed.

I think there will be roll call vote on the GOOD amendment (didn’t catch you introduced it) and it will pass, calling attention to the President’s assertion of EP and finding Holder in contempt anyway.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:16 PM

verbaluce on June 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM

What?

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 4:12 PM

The trolls are getting kind of screechy too. I’m sure he thought that was really deep.

Night Owl on June 20, 2012 at 4:16 PM

verbaluce on June 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM

You should have done that as a monologue at Terry’s funeral. Would have been real knee-slapper!

Good Solid B-Plus on June 20, 2012 at 4:17 PM

MadisonConservative on June 20, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Seriously! The party of death at its finest.

txhsmom on June 20, 2012 at 4:17 PM

So the whole evening news cycle will be about Operation Wide Receiver and the Phoenix ATF. And how Obama can invoke executive privilege any way he wants.

And a brief mention of who Brian Terry was.

What is needed is a list of names of those in Mexico that were murdered. You can’t ignore names.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 4:19 PM

The Goudy amendment, passed on a voice vote. Now a roll call vote. Passes: 23 AYES and 17 NOs. This is an improvement over the original resolution. As amended, the resolution will pass. Everything is passing or failing along strictly partisan lines. So be it.

The amended resolution is now up for a vote. The clerk will call the roll. This is it.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:19 PM

The trolls are getting kind of screechy too. I’m sure he thought that was really deep.

Night Owl on June 20, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Just wait until the contempt vote passes… the partisan demagoguery will be earsplittingly awful.

Turtle317 on June 20, 2012 at 4:21 PM

23 AYE, 17 NO. The resolution holding Holder in contempt passes. On to the House.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:21 PM

YEAH

D-fusit on June 20, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Contempt report ordered, 23-17.

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 4:21 PM

They got it. On to Congress.

MadisonConservative on June 20, 2012 at 4:21 PM

It’s going to the House.

Dr Evil on June 20, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Party line vote. On to the whole House.

either orr on June 20, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Committee adjourned. The contempt resolution will be reported to the House. It begins…

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:22 PM

He’s in contempt.

dogsoldier on June 20, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Boom…!

… There it is!

Seven Percent Solution on June 20, 2012 at 4:22 PM

It passed

cmsinaz on June 20, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Anyone know how long it will take for the House to vote on it?

MadisonConservative on June 20, 2012 at 4:23 PM

And if 2010 had not happened, the entire issue simply would not exist.

spiritof61 on June 20, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Now for the whining!

Night Owl on June 20, 2012 at 4:23 PM

My two cents….after watching the Issa hearing, the Dems looked old and tired, even bitter. They are clearly the party of the past.

Paddington on June 20, 2012 at 4:23 PM

About Time!

weaselyone on June 20, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Wait…Kucinich is on this committee? Didn’t even realize. He’s been awful quiet.

MadisonConservative on June 20, 2012 at 4:14 PM

He’s trying to tune in the aliens.

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Dennis, What’s the Frequency?

Del Dolemonte on June 20, 2012 at 4:23 PM

I hope these Democrats enjoy losing their careers (hopefully) and integrity (long gone) to prop up a corrupt administration.

kim roy on June 20, 2012 at 4:23 PM

The dems have screech and moan, but Issa has the law.

dogsoldier on June 20, 2012 at 4:24 PM

So the lsm will cry political shenanigans since this was voted along partt lines

cmsinaz on June 20, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Anyone know how long it will take for the House to vote on it?

MadisonConservative on June 20, 2012 at 4:23 PM

I hope they do it tomorrow.

dogsoldier on June 20, 2012 at 4:25 PM

So which Democrat will be the first to dash in front of a news-camera to decry what a racist, racist, so very racist nation the USA is now/today.

Jeddite on June 20, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Jessica yellin is saying holder is immunized due to theEP

cmsinaz on June 20, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Anyone know how long it will take for the House to vote on it?

MadisonConservative on June 20, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Speaker of the House has enormous scheduling discretion. Boehner could open the floor for debate on the Committee report finding Holder in contempt at any time.

It’s Boehner’s call. If he’s smart he’ll do it sooner rather than later. Delay shifts media focus to the political maneuvering, second-guessing the House leadership, etc.

A vote scheduled right away would be a punch in the gut for the Administration, with little time to recover.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:26 PM

23 AYE, 17 NO. The resolution holding Holder in contempt passes. On to the House.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Amen!! PTL!

By the way, I didn’t get the Roll Call vote on the Welch Amendment?
Got the rest.

Reading your reports today were better than listening to Rush!!! Kudos!!

bluefox on June 20, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Puhleeze

CNN this is a political distraction but dear leader’s edict ..meh

cmsinaz on June 20, 2012 at 4:26 PM

What?

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 4:12 PM

In other words, he’s an obtuse prick who doesn’t care how many people this regime has slaughtered.

CurtZHP on June 20, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Jessica yellin is saying holder is immunized due to theEP

cmsinaz on June 20, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Jessica is wishcasting and incorrect. Did Obama even send an official document to Issa? Even if he did it would be invalid. Nixon learned that the hard way.

dogsoldier on June 20, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Every time a number is put forward about this case that is damning to your side, you just scoff and suggest that the number be inflated, as if it were of no substance.

MadisonConservative on June 20, 2012 at 4:15 PM

?
I was reminding that the number is supposed to be 400.
So I was the one doing the inflating.
Are you unaware that it’s an arbitrary number?
And you’re genuinely concerned about Mexican citizens caught up in the drug war?
I applaud that.
(You of course know some make the culpability argument, that you support in this case, to suggest proud pot smokers have blood on their hands. I’m just sayin’.)

verbaluce on June 20, 2012 at 4:28 PM

novaculus on June 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Thanks. Good to know the Congress has a civil court recourse with its own attorneys.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:14 PM

C-Span announcer just posited your civil court option as the likely House action.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Speaker of the House has enormous scheduling discretion. Boehner could open the floor for debate on the Committee report finding Holder in contempt at any time.

It’s Boehner’s call. If he’s smart he’ll do it sooner rather than later. Delay shifts media focus to the political maneuvering, second-guessing the House leadership, etc.

A vote scheduled right away would be a punch in the gut for the Administration, with little time to recover.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Not if the rumors about Boehner being wishy-washy on this matter turn out to be true. Christ…I hope he doesn’t trip this up.

MadisonConservative on June 20, 2012 at 4:29 PM

verbaluce on June 20, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Gotta wonder what kind of angry, ignorant parents could raise such a racist child. What exactly did they have against Mexicans?

CurtZHP on June 20, 2012 at 4:31 PM

By the way, I didn’t get the Roll Call vote on the Welch Amendment?
Got the rest.

Reading your reports today were better than listening to Rush!!! Kudos!!

bluefox on June 20, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Thanks, I missed the Welch amendment roll call vote count, too. We need Rush’s staff.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Can someone summarize what the wiretaps were all about?

oldroy on June 20, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Speaker of the House has enormous scheduling discretion. Boehner could open the floor for debate on the Committee report finding Holder in contempt at any time.

It’s Boehner’s call. If he’s smart he’ll do it sooner rather than later. Delay shifts media focus to the political maneuvering, second-guessing the House leadership, etc.

A vote scheduled right away would be a punch in the gut for the Administration, with little time to recover.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:26 PM

If Boehner delays this, he will have ended his Speakership in my opinion.

He needs to hear from the American people on this. He may not be up for re-election to his House seat, but being re-elected Speaker will be. He doesn’t have a good record as it is in giving B.O. everything he wanted.

bluefox on June 20, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Not if the rumors about Boehner being wishy-washy on this matter turn out to be true. Christ…I hope he doesn’t trip this up.

MadisonConservative on June 20, 2012 at 4:29 PM

I’m with you there. One clue for me that he isn’t as opposed to this as has been rumored is that the Republican votes on this report, and on every amendment, was unanimous. Surely Boehner or Cantor could have mustered a few Republican votes against this– or even enough to shoot it down– if they really, really didn’t want this coming to the floor.

Ironically, Obama’s EP assertion may have stiffened every Republican’s spine to see this through now.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:34 PM

bluefox on June 20, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Amen.

de rigueur on June 20, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Are you unaware that it’s an arbitrary number?
And you’re genuinely concerned about Mexican citizens caught up in the drug war?
I applaud that.
(You of course know some make the culpability argument, that you support in this case, to suggest proud pot smokers have blood on their hands. I’m just sayin’.)

verbaluce on June 20, 2012 at 4:28 PM

It’s not an arbitrary number. All sources to that number have claimed it was “at least 300″. I do not say 400 because I have seen no source to back it up.

And I am genuinely concerned about the drug war for a litany of reasons, including the fact that I am against it, and that I am extremely fearful for all those who currently live along the border in both the US and Mexico, who live in a war zone. I am even more incensed at the fact that these criminal scum have effectively occupied US soil.

Frankly, I wish we’d commit soldiers to the border and engage these motherf**kers. If Mexican government officials, including the military, are going along with it(as numerous videotaped encounters seem to indicate), then I suggest declaring war with Mexico. Not like it’ll last very long, given that much of the Mexican populace is tired of their crap, but unfortunately they’ve been disarmed by their government. Oops, there’s me being a “gun fanboy” again by pointing out their lack of gun ownership rights, and then blithely linking it to their inability to deter a criminal enterprise. Good thing Obama arranged a firearms stimulus. Ironically enough, F&F was funded by the stimulus he passed.

MadisonConservative on June 20, 2012 at 4:35 PM

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