Time for a new leak: U.S. and Israel developed “Flame” computer virus, say “western officials”

posted at 6:41 pm on June 19, 2012 by Allahpundit

Unlike the last few mega-leaks, this one’s not aimed at glorifying Obama’s James Bond-ian counterterrorist kung fu. In fact, Obama’s name doesn’t appear in the piece; it’s Bush who’s given credit for developing the Flame/Stuxnet program to sabotage Iranian nukes.

Ace blames the leakers for revealing all the nifty things that Flame can do but I think we already knew all the details in WaPo’s piece from that Russian cybersecurity firm that went public about the virus a few weeks ago. The point here isn’t to spill the beans about Flame’s capabilities, it’s — as Ace says — to blame Israel for the virus’s discovery.

And it’s not the first time that that’s happened.

The United States and Israel jointly developed a sophisticated computer virus nicknamed Flame that collected critical intelligence in preparation for cyber-sabotage attacks aimed at slowing Iran’s ability to develop a nuclear weapon, according to Western officials with knowledge of the effort…

Flame came to light last month after Iran detected a series of cyberattacks on its oil industry. The disruption was directed by Israel in a unilateral operation that apparently caught its U.S. partners off guard, according to several U.S. and Western officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity…

Despite their collaboration on developing the malicious code, the United States and Israel have not always coordinated attacks. Israel’s April assaults on Iran’s Oil Ministry and oil export facilities caused only minor disruptions. The episode led Iran to investigate and ultimately discover Flame…

Some U.S. intelligence officials were dismayed that Israel’s unilateral incursion led to the discovery of the virus, prompting countermeasures.

If that sounds familiar, that’s because Israel also took the blame for the damaging code error in Stuxnet in the NYT’s June 1 story on how President Awesome ordered the cybersabotage program to be accelerated:

An error in the code, they said, had led it to spread to an engineer’s computer when it was hooked up to the centrifuges. When the engineer left Natanz and connected the computer to the Internet, the American- and Israeli-made bug failed to recognize that its environment had changed. It began replicating itself all around the world. Suddenly, the code was exposed, though its intent would not be clear, at least to ordinary computer users.

“We think there was a modification done by the Israelis,” one of the briefers told the president, “and we don’t know if we were part of that activity.”

Mr. Obama, according to officials in the room, asked a series of questions, fearful that the code could do damage outside the plant. The answers came back in hedged terms. Mr. Biden fumed. “It’s got to be the Israelis,” he said. “They went too far.”

Bona fide Israeli errors, ass-covering by U.S. politicians for major mistakes, or both? Before you answer that, consider the other big news buried in today’s WaPo piece: According to one “former high-ranking U.S. intelligence official,” Flame and Stuxnet were designed to prepare the battlefield for “another type of covert action.” Actual quote: “Cyber collection against the Iranian program is way further down the road than this.” WaPo goes so far as to confirm that new, even more advanced cyberweapons have been developed. Which prompts the question: If the point of all the leaking lately is to run a psy op on Iran designed to drive them to total paranoia about the security of their networks (assuming they haven’t reached that point already), why all the fingerpointing at Israel? The psychological effect would be more pronounced, I’d think, if Iran thought the U.S. and Israel were acting perfectly in concert. Conversely, if the U.S. is trying to set up a good cop/bad cop dynamic for negotiating purposes with Iran in which Israel is the “rogue actor” and the U.S. more restrained, why admit to participating in the cybersabotage program in the first place? Why not say that the program’s wholly owned and operated by Israel? The west is in the middle of negotiations with Iran over its nuclear program; the more you admit to penetrating their computers and destroying their equipment, the more face the regime will lose with Iranians if it ends up making a deal. (Granted, the odds of a deal are vanishingly small, but why make them smaller?)

Long story short, we’re running a totally awesome cyberpenetration campaign with another country, but we don’t quite trust that other country’s part in the cyberpenetration campaign and, for some reason, we really want our enemies to know that. Huh. Exit question: What does all this cyberespionage mean for a possible Israeli bombing run at Iran’s nuclear facilities? Does it mean an attack is more likely, since by now Israel surely knows much more about potential targets and air defenses than Iran thinks it knows? Or does it mean an attack is less likely because the cyberweapons now in use are sufficiently sophisticated that the U.S. and Israel can now somehow shut down the program remotely, as they originally tried to do with Stuxnet?


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Kind of like communism was good for the youth, religions, and the artists.

acyl72 on May 22, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Surprised there wasn’t a “donate button” at the bottom of her webpage.

can_con on May 22, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Congratulations class of 2013, you managed to graduate without learning critical thinking skills. You have been programmed to be compliant to the state from which all your needs and desires will come. Don’t bother looking for meaningful employment, as we have ruined any chance of you being independent and self determined. Everything you say and do can and will be used against you if you show any signs of resistance to the state. You will not enjoy any privacy. Welcome to Amerika.

tom daschle concerned on May 22, 2013 at 8:51 PM

I will gladly pay rob you Tuesday for the hamburger Death Panels you buy for me today.

—————— Joe Mengele Sebelius, Death Panels Kommandant.

viking01 on May 22, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Um..I just have to comment…pre-existing condition of acne?? WTF

BeachBum on May 22, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Great job kids, you’ll be excited to know being dependent on us is now easier than ever!

rightmind on May 22, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Sebelius touts ObamaCare as a boon to graduates instead of the war on the young it actually is

I’m tired of this BS meme about “robbing our childrens’ futures”. This is simple thievery, and we’re being stolen from NOW through inflation, and means nothing to most voters…they’re used to living in debt and the numbers are so staggering it simply doesn’t compute for them. Oh, and…they believe that the Wizards of Wall Street and the Gov’t surely know what they’re doing and will fix everything.

So, it doesn’t mean anything to enough people to make a difference at the polls. Besides, even if it did, how much more would the GOP get is into debt? They’ve done it before.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 22, 2013 at 8:52 PM

There’s an old joke that goes, “I want to live long enough to be a burden to my kids.”

Obamacare is going to guarantee I am, along with a lot of other people my age and older.

Liam on May 22, 2013 at 8:54 PM

-Making it possible to stay on your parent’s health plan until you turn 26, giving you the flexibility to make choices about your future without worrying about where you’re going to get health insurance.

Not if your parents lose their employer provided insurance and get thrown on the exchanges.

Curtiss on May 22, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Nurse Diesel was born 60 years too late. She would have made a marvelous Nazi and Associate of Dr. Mengele. Pity…

/SPARC

glcinpdx on May 22, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Nurse Diesel was born 60 years too late. She would have made a marvelous Nazi and Associate of Dr. Mengele. Pity…

/SARC

glcinpdx on May 22, 2013 at 8:58 PM

I was at a party this past weekend, a rather daper young man of 80 years told a “funny but true” joke.

He asked at Social Security how he was going to get back all that he had paid in. The lady looked up his numbers, and told him with interest, it would take 32 more years to pay him back.

He looked me straight in the eye and said

“Those bastards aren’t getting a dime, I’m going to live to be 112.”

If you knew Don, you could believe that.

JusDreamin on May 22, 2013 at 9:05 PM

-Making it possible to stay on your parent’s health plan until you turn 26, giving you the flexibility to make choices about your future without worrying about where you’re going to get health insurance.

Of course you can get Plan B at age 15.

You can drive a car at 16.

You can vote at age 18.

You can legally drink at 21.

You can serve in the military.

But when it comes to healthcare, you can mooch off your parents until you’re old enough that you probably have a family of your own. Here’s to being a responsible adult or something.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Good if you are going to be a government worker.

Guess there might be some openings in the IRS soon…

ProfShadow on May 22, 2013 at 9:15 PM

I doubt any but the most serious and earnest of young Democrats are actually going to find their way to the HHS blog. I mean, how many here even knew there was one? I didn’t.

Even if they are aware of her statement, all Sebelius’ words won’t mean a thing when members of the class of 2013 can’t find work or can only find part-time work thanks to Obamacare or when they see differences in their paycheck because of Obamacare.

INC on May 22, 2013 at 9:17 PM

-Making it possible to stay on your parent’s health plan until you turn 26, giving you the flexibility to make choices about your future without worrying about where you’re going to get health insurance.

How many parents will subsidize their “kids” until they’re 26? I won’t.

Charlemagne on May 22, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Somehow, though, I can’t feel sorry for these college kids who, their first time voting, voted for Obama. And for those who voted for him twice. And let their liberal parents who voted Obama suffer just like the rest of us.

While I deplore this law and wish it be repealed, I’m going to enjoy seeing liberals suffer for the laws they wanted but didn’t always have to heed. Now, for the first time, liberals have to pay, too.

“Welcome to the party, pal!”

Liam on May 22, 2013 at 9:20 PM

This is one messed-up vicious cycle that the Obama administration is perpetuating here, and make no mistake: They are counting on the allure of seemingly “free” government benevolence to keep the charade going. Don’t go for it, graduates.

I have little faith in the young. They get their news from Colbert and Stewart and couldn’t tell you where Canada is on a map let alone intelligently explain international affairs. Many of them will happily sign up for that “free” healthcare.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Maybe she can explain why she broke the law & why she was extorting money from organization she was ‘lover’s….it will give her some practice before she has to do it before CONGRESS!

easyt65 on May 22, 2013 at 9:23 PM

How many parents will subsidize their “kids” until they’re 26? I won’t.

Charlemagne on May 22, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Well good for you! I knew that the financial support was cut off the minute I graduated from college. Of course, I had a job and wasn’t back in my childhood race car bed because of the lousy economy.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Somehow, though, I can’t feel sorry for these college kids who, their first time voting, voted for Obama.

Liam on May 22, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Well, remember that campaign ad. They wanted their first time to be special.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Well, remember that campaign ad. They wanted their first time to be special.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Well, they gave it up to a psycho, and he’ll forever be like a stalker.

Liam on May 22, 2013 at 9:30 PM

“You vill drink zee Obamakare, und you vill enchoy it! Ja?”

slickwillie2001 on May 22, 2013 at 9:32 PM

What year did Sebelius run in the Kentucky Derby?

bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Well, they gave it up to a psycho, and he’ll forever be like a stalker.

Liam on May 22, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Yeah, it’s like a Lifetime Movie Network script.

Innocent happy young people graduate from college. Before you know it they’re enrolled in Obamacare, have to trade their cool phones in for Obamaphones because they don’t have any income. They turn on the television to see Mooch lecturing them to eat their vegetables. It is as if they’ve lost their real families and been adopted by the Obamas. Or more accurately they’ve been recruited into the radical left-wing party of which Obama is the cult leader.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:41 PM

What year did Sebelius run in the Kentucky Derby?

bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Hah! Trick question. Sebelius isn’t a mudder and got scratched before the race for fear that the track conditions would result in a broken leg. Thus eliminating any chance of stud fees.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Chickens coming home to roost.

.Left wing professorial nuts in colleges teach kids socialism.
.left wing indoctrinated college freaks elect Obama president.
.Obama appoints whackos like Sebelius and the IRS to propose and administer Obamacare and other lunatic government programs (government “problems” would be more apt.)–all over-funded, job-killing and cancerous.
.Left wing indoctrinated college freaks not only can’t afford Obamacare but they can’t get any jobs because of it.
.In a no-job market the only openings available for poorly trained, unqualified left wing indoctrinated college freaks is to become left wing professorial nuts themselves. Problem is-only one opening per 75,000 applicants.

MaiDee on May 22, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Of course, I had a job and wasn’t back in my childhood race car bed because of the lousy economy.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:24 PM

This. Only recently has it even been physically possible for me to go apartment shopping. And the state of the job market basically robs you of all career choice.

Seriously, you wanna be depressed to the core of your being? Try writing out a budget and realizing 9 hour shifts of putting up with flappy-mouthed rudesters for co’work’ers and being abused by dumb angry proles who want everything for free will BARELY provide enough money to exist on.

Would be a lot more money for me if it wasn’t being taken to feed the Democrat ‘minority’ voting blocs…

MelonCollie on May 22, 2013 at 10:55 PM

.In a no-job market the only openings available for poorly trained, unqualified left wing indoctrinated college freaks is to become left wing professorial nuts themselves. Problem is-only one opening per 75,000 applicants.

MaiDee on May 22, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Exactly. Even with all manner of Federal subsidies, there are only so many ‘jobs’ for overpaid wind-up puppets. The rest of us actually have to find real employment, which is currently about like panning for gold at your local public pool.

MelonCollie on May 22, 2013 at 10:58 PM

In a no-job market the only openings available for poorly trained, unqualified left wing indoctrinated college freaks is to become left wing professorial nuts themselves. Problem is-only one opening per 75,000 applicants.

MaiDee on May 22, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Nah, there are plenty of jobs for them. Obama wants his domestic national police force, equipped as well as the military. 3 hots and a cot along with all the “personal defense weapons” and “weapons of war” you can want with that new authoritah.

oryguncon on May 22, 2013 at 11:24 PM

-Requiring most insurance plans to cover proven preventive services—like birth control and certain cancer screenings—without you paying a penny.

Well, except for that really, really high insurance premium – you know, that one that you’re required to purchase. Oh sure, you probably wouldn’t have purchased insurance at such a young age – but if we’re going to offset the costs associated with insuring people with preexisting conditions – we need to you to pay your fair share. See? Doesn’t that feel good?

Sure hope you find a good-paying job… you’re going to need it!

Hill60 on May 23, 2013 at 12:04 AM

I still think that in this picture she looks like Dana Carvey as The Church Lady.

bugsy on May 23, 2013 at 5:42 AM

I don’t understand why there is never any pushback from the GOP or commentators on the stupid claim that insurance companies discriminate with higher premiums based on being a woman. What they are referring to is that insurance is typically higher for a woman of child bearing age than a similarly aged man. Well, duh that’s because women can get pregnant and men can’t and so they are at a higher risk of causing higher payouts. I know my six pregnancies cost our insurance company a lot more money than my husband did at the same age. To force a single male to pay the same rates as a single female during childbearing years is redistribution for the sake of politics/feminist agenda pure and simple.

txmomof6 on May 23, 2013 at 5:52 AM

I despise this Sebelius woman.

locomotivebreath1901 on May 23, 2013 at 6:12 AM

to the class of 2013:

good luck finding a job; and don’t forget to pay your obamacare ‘taxes’ or the IRS will be coming for you.

you voted for these socialists; welcome to the real world chumps!

burserker on May 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM

In charge of your medical records.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 3:16 PM