So, is the VP race down to Portman and Pawlenty? Update: Fewer women considered due to media’s Palin scrutiny?

posted at 4:02 pm on June 19, 2012 by Allahpundit

WaPo follows up on this morning’s bombshell about the non-vetting of Rubio by confirming that (a) indeed, he’s not being vetted at the moment and (b) the two safest picks in the field are.

Other vice presidential candidates, including Sen. Rob Portman (Ohio) and former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty, are undergoing a more intensive review, according to two Republicans close to the campaign…

“By the time you apply the gravitas test, which is really 95 percent of what Governor Romney’s looking at — people when introduced to America nobody would think twice about their ability to be president if necessary — that wipes out 90 percent of the field,” said one outside adviser close to the Romney operation who requested anonymity to speak candidly about the selection process.

The adviser said other Republicans once presumed to be contenders, including Sen. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.) and New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez, fall under this same category. More-experienced candidates said to be under consideration include Rep. Paul Ryan, the House Budget Committee chairman, as well as Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal.

If Rubio’s too young and too unseasoned, does that mean Christie is too? He’s nine years older than Rubio and holds an executive position but has spent less time in political office than even Rubio has if you include the latter’s tenure in the state legislature. Mitch Daniels is presumably also out since he’s reportedly set to be named the next president of Purdue. So, it seems, is Bob McDonnell, who wasn’t being vetted either as of three weeks ago. What about Paul Ryan? He was coy when asked about this in May and he’s part of Romney’s bus tour featuring a cavalcade of would-be VPs, but he’s also just a year older than Rubio and has no executive experience. What’s the logic at this point for picking him and embracing an all-out “Mediscare” campaign from Democrats when he could go with the far safer/blander Portman or Pawlenty instead? It would excite the base, but Romney’s not worried about the base anymore. If he was, he wouldn’t be dodging questions over whether he’ll rescind Obama’s new DREAM order if elected. In fact, I think the people who see skittishness over immigration in Romney’s decision to pass on Rubio are right: If he picks him or Ryan as VP, then to some extent the election will be about something other than the economy. That’s precisely what Romney’s trying to avoid; it’s Obama who wants a “choice” election, not the GOP.

That leaves Portman, Pawlenty, and maybe Jindal, who does have executive experience, would add diversity to the ticket, and would certainly fire up the base. But Jindal endorsed Perry in the primaries and he’s the same age as Rubio. He’d be an inspired choice but not as safe as Portman or Pawlenty, and if there’s one thing we know about Mitt, he prefers safe to inspired. So that leaves two: The Bush alum from the key swing state or the guy who was vetted four years ago from the unwinnable blue state. I thought Portman was a prohibitive favorite and I still think there’s probably a 75 percent chance that he gets it, but as more polls come out showing how many voters still blame Bush for the economy, Team Mitt must be wondering whether Portman’s record as Bush’s budget chief will become a major liability on their key issue. If it’s true that Romney’s VP credo is “first do no harm,” then Pawlenty really should have the edge. The most damaging soundbite he’s had in the last few years is the one about “ObamneyCare” and I doubt you’ll see Team O want to focus on that.

Exit question: Why would any Republican want to leak the fact that Rubio’s not even being seriously considered for VP, especially at a moment when Obama’s just made a splash with Latino voters via his new DREAM policy? It’s one thing not to choose the guy, it’s another thing to signal that he’s not even worthy of consideration. And no, this isn’t about Romney trying to completely distance himself from Rubio because of the politics of DREAM: Remember, after O made his announcement on Friday, Romney specifically mentioned Rubio in his response. He’s a bona fide conservative rock star with a national future. Why not pay him the minimum respect of vetting him? Or are Ana Navarro and Ben Domenech right in thinking that this is really about the Charlie Crist alums in Romney’s campaign wanting a little payback for what Rubio did to their guy in 2010?


Update: Depressing.

In particular, few women except for New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte – a freshman lawmaker from New England with only scant federal experience – are thought to be under consideration by Romney.

“I think unfortunately, Palin poisoned the well on that,” said one informal Romney adviser, fretting that any woman selected as VP would draw inevitable comparisons to the former Alaska governor. “I would guess if I were inside the Romney mind that they’re worried that any woman chosen will be subjected to a higher level of scrutiny.”

Update: Note that that last quote comes from an “informal advisor” to the campaign, not any of the inner circle, so who knows how much of it is pure speculation versus informed speculation derived from chatting with key players. In fairness to Mitt, there aren’t many woman officeholders who fit his criteria this time around. Ayotte and Martinez are both promising but both new to their current offices. They’d be stronger picks in 2016 than they are now.


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Yeah, and most of the guys here wanted Palin on the ticket because she has a nice rack that they enjoy looking at. They didn’t know a thing about her.

rockmom on June 19, 2012 at 4:47 PM

O_o

Bishop on June 19, 2012 at 4:54 PM

He’ll. Never. Get. My. Vote.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 4:31 PM

So we can blame you, then, if Obama is re-elected.

Lourdes on June 19, 2012 at 4:54 PM

If any of this is true, leave it to the Repubs to pull defeat out of the jaws of victory.

rjoco1 on June 19, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Jindal is NOT the best pick out there.
He seems a bow to political correctness, oddly.
Just try a choice that doesn’t seem to indicate a bowing down to political correctness like O bowing to the Saudi king. It’s not that hard. We love Jindal, but most would say he’s too young and experienced, and we can find someone else that fits the bill without causing much of the R voters to shake their heads in disbelief. Pay heed to the often unexpressed feelings of many if not most of the R voters. It’s not Jindal this time.

anotherJoe on June 19, 2012 at 4:55 PM

She was probably more afraid of the “gotcha” aspect of saying she reads e.g. Drudge’s links each day than anything else.

Akzed on June 19, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Oh, that’s exactly what it was and she has said as much. Regardless, it was still a rookie move on her part but it’s a drop in the bucket next to what she did right. In fact, she had just penned an op-ed for The Wall Stree Journal a couple weeks before the Couric interview. The media knew this, of course, yet shockingly said nothing about it.

Kataklysmic on June 19, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Palin poisoned the well?

That’s like saying that her windows got in the way of a vandal’s rocks.

Akzed on June 19, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Palin kind of poisoned the well, but it wasn’t her fault. McCain had pretty much phoned in the election and his only hope was Palin. Instead he threw an inexperienced Palin to the media dogs while he refused to fight for the presidency.

midgeorgian on June 19, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Where were all you Palin-haters a few days ago when we had a Palin-QOTD? Hundreds of comments and not one negative towards Palin.

Buckshot Bill on June 19, 2012 at 4:52 PM

You know what your problem is? You can’t accept the slightest bit of criticism toward your idol.

And most of it is slight indeed. There aren’t really an awful lot of Palin haters around here. Some of us are just frustrated with the Obama-level cult worship of her and the attitude that she can do no wrong and forget what the polls say the American people’s perception of her is.

I like Palin. I get that she was a victim of a vicious smear campaign perpetrated by the Obama camp, their lapdogs in the media, and some backstabbers in the McCain campaign, but the effects of that campaign still linger, and believe it or not she did have a couple of unforced errors along the way.

She’s human. She’s not going to be on the ticket. Her experiences last year are a learning point for the Romney campaign. Move on.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 4:55 PM

McCain was screwed if he didn’t have a game changer. He found one. Then he frittered his chances away by letting his incompetent band of “handlers” pretty much kill every positive aspect of her.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM

The actions of McCain’s campaign machine was akin to a poker player holding an ace-high straight and folding.

NoNails on June 19, 2012 at 4:56 PM

You weren’t fooled, ever. What are you trying to say?

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 4:54 PM

My ignorance of the way Palin would be treated by the media – the obvious and ridiculous double-standard between her treatment and Obama’s, first and foremost – is how I was fooled.

That has to be taken into account this time around. But it also affords the opportunity to go on offense against the media, too.

Breitbart gave us the tools we needed to fight this war, and I’ll fight it along side his thousands of other warriors.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Where were all you Palin-haters a few days ago when we had a Palin-QOTD? Hundreds of comments and not one negative towards Palin.

Buckshot Bill on June 19, 2012 at 4:52 PM

There was a BOGO sale at Lane Bryant that night.

Mitch Rapp on June 19, 2012 at 4:58 PM

I was wondering if Romney could be considering Tim Scott from SC? Southern, conservative, good rep in his state and DC and a complete surprise to everyone. http://timscott.house.gov/Biography/

1bunny on June 19, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Not that it would matter for much, but Portman is a debate Jedi and would probably deliver a verbal gangrape to Vice President Clownshoes in the one and only VP debate.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Considering who the VP is that’s not much of a challenge. ;)

kim roy on June 19, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Crr6 would balance the ticket.

CorporatePiggy on June 19, 2012 at 4:59 PM

West would work for me.

I’d prefer Ryan, but I get why we need him in Congress now more than ever. Which ISN’T to suggest that we don’t need West there, just that I think his abilities and experience could be used in the V.P. job.

Romney says he’s going to select a V.P. who shares his views on things and since West was just naysaying Romney (said he was “disappointed in” Romney for not being “straightforward” about his views on illegal immigration after Obama’s Friday speech), I’m guessing that means he’s not yet or now representing Rommey’s views very well.

Jindal says he wants to stay as Gov. of Louisiana, so trying to respect his wishes.

Pawlenty? He’s a good guy but there’s that energy-factor.

Lourdes on June 19, 2012 at 4:59 PM

There is a good pool of potential VP candidates for the GOP to select from. This is a good write up of Pawlenty’s work as an effective surrogate for Romney and he came off likeable and human:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/303075/tim-pawlenty-romney-s-traveling-salesman-robert-costa

Either Portman and Pawlenty would be a fine choice, but a Portman, who had been the Director of OMB under Bush, choice will give strength to Barry’s tactic to blame GWB and tie Romney to it.

bayview on June 19, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Palin poisoned the well? If Romney thinks he can get away without heavy scrutiny of his VP pick, even with the dullest of dull choices, he is sadly, sadly mistaken. Quayle got the nitpicking and he was as whitebread as it gets.

Plus Romney continues to prove his lack of connection to the base and disinterest in winning the votes of Palin’s many fans and admirers by continuing to slam her for doing nothing more than her best in 2008, whose best was better than anyone else could have done in her shoes, and was better than both Romney circa 2008 and that of the actual candidate in 2008.

He’ll. Never. Get. My. Vote.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Of course the VP pick is going to be under scrutiny…the point is to pick someone who is both capable of enduring that scrutiny and possibly stepping into the job, without taking the focus off of Obama.

And why are you attributing to Romney what one informal source said was his own opinion vis a vis Palin? Since he’ll never get your vote, why the hell do you care anyway?

changer1701 on June 19, 2012 at 4:59 PM

It’s unlikely that “seasoned” necessarily means many years in office. Look at the top of the ticket.

Ronnie on June 19, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Esoteric on June 19, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Of course she’s still viable, and so is Perry. Name recognition alone will win many a statewide race. I could give a crap about the narrative “triumph over adversity”. I know what can win an election, and she’s got it: people know her name, they know her politics, and they trust her. Put her in a red state and she’ll cream her competition. Can she win nationwide? Don’t know. Would have to see her compete in primaries.

You just don’t want her to be viable because you don’t like her. Sorry, but that’s not how it works.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Like a ripe glistening cherry plopped onto a heaping pile of chocolatey sundae goodness and covered with fluffy whipped cream.

Bishop on June 19, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Now you’ve done it.

I’ll be back. Gotta make a run to DQ.

davidk on June 19, 2012 at 5:01 PM

[rockmom on June 19, 2012 at 4:47 PM]

True, I didn’t know a lot about her. I mostly knew only what upinak had mentioned beforehand. But I supported her 200% because she fought, not because she had a nice rack, and we needed at least one fighter on the ticket.

She fights. I’ll take that over some other deficiencies any time ’cause you can supplement those deficiencies with advisers, executive staff and cabinet. No one else can supplement for one’s lack of spine, though.

Dusty on June 19, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Newt??????

UltimateBob on June 19, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Palin kind of poisoned the well, but it wasn’t her fault. McCain had pretty much phoned in the election and his only hope was Palin. Instead he threw an inexperienced Palin to the media dogs while he refused to fight for the presidency.

midgeorgian on June 19, 2012 at 4:55 PM

I will go to my grave believing that McCain fully intended on losing the race and they picked Palin because they didn’t want to “waste” one of the “establishment” players by tainting them with a losing VP run so why not someone no one has heard of and a woman to boot. Ups the “we’re not sexist” meme a little and someone they thought was expendable.

kim roy on June 19, 2012 at 5:01 PM

In particular, few women except for New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte – a freshman lawmaker from New England with only scant federal experience – are thought to be under consideration by Romney.

“I think unfortunately, Palin poisoned the well on that,” said one informal Romney adviser, fretting that any woman selected as VP would draw inevitable comparisons to the former Alaska governor. “I would guess if I were inside the Romney mind that they’re worried that any woman chosen will be subjected to a higher level of scrutiny.”


Seriously, AP?

You’ll throw out crap from MSNBC as if it has ANY credibility …

You should be ashamed of this entire post.

PolAgnostic on June 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM

There was a BOGO sale at Lane Bryant that night.

Mitch Rapp on June 19, 2012 at 4:58 PM

HA Crossdressers?

Fallon on June 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM

The hand wringing over a VP pick that is all speculation at the moment is amazing…

For the record I hope it’s Ryan but the sky will not fall with any of these candidates for VP.

Obama got elected with Biden as his mate…none of these are that bad.

jjjdad on June 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Only in to say that the Crist thing in the Allah story is crap .
Charlie is done , gone , toast , bye bye , irrelevant ,
forgotten , disgraced , humiliated , sunk .

Lucano on June 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Breitbart gave us the tools we needed to fight this war, and I’ll fight it along side his thousands of other warriors.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Palin welcomes you to the team, then. I’m not saying it wouldn’t be ugly for a woman or minority on the ticket, it always is. But it’s going to be ugly for anybody, Portman and TPaw included. If there’s not enough dirt, the Left/media will make it up out of thin air. It’s what they do.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Condi will only be picked if te Middle east blows up.

cpaulus on June 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM

He’ll. Never. Get. My. Vote.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Curmudgeon class let out early today?

HTL on June 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM

a) She pushed back on the question of what she read. Pols do this all the time, not because they can’t answer, but because the framing is bull$hit. It was.

b) This was a dangerous question and she correctly spotted it as such, and avoided answering. The rest of the week would have been about how Palin, the snowbilly, thought herself smarter than the US Supreme Court.

This is some of the most hilarious excuse-making I’ve yet seen from you, and you usually don’t disappoint.

a.) Pushed back on the question? Um…why? Why would anyone feel the need to push back on such a minor, unimportant question? She could’ve just said “Oh I read the Alaska locals, and the WSJ, WaPo, and NYT online, plus Drudge” or something if it had been true which unfortunately it obviously wasn’t. This is not a difficult question requiring ‘pushback’ or dancing around. Which is precisely why people were so stunned when she couldn’t answer it without flailing.

b.) A dangerous question? A DANGEROUS QUESTION? Um…it’s been standard Republican boilerplate for the past forty friggin’ years to cite Roe v. Wade as a decision they disagree with, for god’s sake. If you can’t name ROE V. WADE then dear god what are you doing up on the stage? She could have named Kelo v. New London for an easy, populist answer (everyone hates that eminent domain decision). She could’ve cited any number of Commerce Clause cases.

But she couldn’t. Because she didn’t know the first thing about the Supreme Court outside of slogans, and she wasn’t prepared to fake it. It had nothing to do with “dodging a dangerous question” (what’s the danger? your point about how the media would, what, be clucking with “how DARE she?” disapproval is nonsensical; disagreeing with court decisions is exactly what politicians are supposed to do). It had everything to do with not being ready for the big leagues.

Look, I don’t want to come across like I’m beating up on Palin, because I’m not. (I don’t even care about her anymore — she is mostly an afterthought now, her moment has passed in the eyes of all but the tiny sliver of the hardcore GOP base represented by the alwaysfiredups of the world.) I’m beating up on the sorts of obviously retarded, reality-denying rationalizations of her very real screw-ups like the ones quoted above.

Esoteric on June 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Where were all you Palin-haters a few days ago when we had a Palin-QOTD? Hundreds of comments and not one negative towards Palin.

Buckshot Bill on June 19, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Palin lovers wrongly assume any criticism of or difference of opinion as to Palin represents “hate” for the woman. Not at all so, in reality.

It gets tiresome to try to make any point on those threads other than “oooh, I want to take her home and wear a coat with her, she’s such a Mama Grizzly shooting moose…”

I exaggerate, obviously, but to make the point. The gushing about Palin like a love-object combined with the maligning of anyone who suggests lack of being in love with the woman gets old, or, rather, has already gotten old.

So there’s no point in participating in those threads once you all start dancing around the Palin bonfire.

Lourdes on June 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM

McCain was screwed if he didn’t have a game changer. He found one. Then he frittered his chances away by letting his incompetent band of “handlers” pretty much kill every positive aspect of her.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM

The actions of McCain’s campaign machine was akin to a poker player holding an ace-high straight and folding.

NoNails on June 19, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Yup , yup.

the_nile on June 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM

The actions of McCain’s campaign machine was akin to a poker player holding an ace-high straight and folding.

NoNails on June 19, 2012 at 4:56 PM

You’re not kidding. His campaign was a joke, and then the jokers who ruined Palin tried to blame everything on her.

“Hey, our VP choice is creating wild buzz among the base and disorientation among our opponents and the media… LET’S KEEP HER MUZZLED FOR THREE WEEKS!”

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM

So we can blame you, then, if Obama is re-elected.

Lourdes on June 19, 2012 at 4:54 PM

This is about the lamest attack line ever concocted by Mittbots.

Romney could easily shore up conservative support by doing two simple things:

1. Pick a conservative VP (NOT Portman or Pawlenty)
2. Start attacking marxist policies set by Obama (i.e. amnesty for illegal youths).

If Romney refuses to do that, and then loses in the fall, it is entirely his fault.

Norwegian on June 19, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Scott Walker.

You want to witness a leftist meltdown that would shock the solar system, choose that guy.

Bishop on June 19, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Oh là là, ce serait une véritable révolution :) …the lefties would take to the streets if this scenario becomes reality :)…van jones would be the next rodney king :)…I have to admit though, as perversely as this sounds, it would be fun to watch the left getting their undies in a wad over this, followed by an epic meltdown :)…I fhink Schultz would have a heart attack live, on MSNDC, with Mitchell giving him CPR :)…

jimver on June 19, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Breitbart gave us the tools we needed to fight this war, and I’ll fight it along side his thousands of other warriors.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 4:58 PM

And Palin is using those tools better than anyone else, see CPAC and Rightonline.

and it’s pretty strange you call them his warriors….

idesign on June 19, 2012 at 5:04 PM

how does rob portman get put at the top of these lists? he is a 2 yr senator, not a governor. seems like choosing a governor who has recently balanced a budget without raising taxes while lowering unemployment will prove that conservative ideas work. i think mitt will choose a governor with a proven record. if rubio and christie are too unproven, so is portman.

phillysfinest on June 19, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Meh, if picking the worst possible choice for a running mate would keep you from getting elected, McCain would be president.

Knott Buyinit on June 19, 2012 at 5:05 PM

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Like a delusional Democrat, you have no shortage of excuses.

These were only trap questions in the sense that she had no idea of how to answer them. Ask Condi Rice what she reads and she will rattle off a list of publications and authors and then ask you why you asked such a silly question. Ask her what SCOTUS decisions she disagrees with, and she would probably list some that the reporter may not even know enough about to ask a follow-up question.

Of course, Katie Couric wouldn’t ever ask these questions of Condi because she knows there’s a high probability that Condi would embarrass her for it. Katie guessed (correctly) that there was no reason to worry about putting those questions to Palin.

The Count on June 19, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Show me the last VP selection that won or lost an election for the nominee. Please.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Thank you. Wasn’t there a post here on how ineffectual VP selection is?

olddog58 on June 19, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Another point: Palin and her “lovees” all complain about “politicians” and declare that they shouldn’t be trusted, then condemn anyone who indicates support for any “politician”…

Meanwhile, Palin’s a politician and whattheheck do you all so fascinated with her think you’re doing?

Lourdes on June 19, 2012 at 5:06 PM

“I think unfortunately, Palin poisoned the well on that,” said one informal Romney adviser, fretting that any woman selected as VP would draw inevitable comparisons to the former Alaska governor. “I would guess if I were inside the Romney mind that they’re worried that any woman chosen will be subjected to a higher level of scrutiny.”

If your gonna freakin pander (Ohio- Portman? Really ?) pander to
W-O-M-E-N !!! Hello ? McFly ?

Who is this freakin “informal” idiot anyways ?

Did he just sleep through the freakin “War on Women” – The morons in the leftist media have neutered themselves and are losing credibility fast.

I don’t care if this is setting up a disappointment pick like Pawlenty — it smacks of M-i-s-o-g-y-n-y.

FlaMurph on June 19, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Esoteric on June 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Brainiac, Couric specifically said what decision OTHER THAN ROE V. WADE do you disagree with. And there was exactly zero flailing about what she read. She quickly pushed back on the implication that people in Alaska are removed from the rest of the world. You obviously don’t know what you are talking about.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 5:06 PM

He’ll. Never. Get. My. Vote.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 4:31 PM

The 59-year old lifelong Republican guy I work with said as much just last night during lunch, which was weird cause I’ve never heard him say much about politics till then. He really, really doesn’t like Romney though. And he has no idea who Portman is, which was pretty much everyone else’s take too.

My libertarian boss hates Romney, more of an anti-rich guy thing than anything specific. The two military guys (in their 20′s) are both big Paul supporters, and will not vote for Romney. And the other Republican guy is still pining for Santorum, who he liked a lot.

I still haven’t met a real-life Romney supporter yet. Maybe they don’t exist in Missouri.

Buckshot Bill on June 19, 2012 at 5:06 PM

And Palin is using those tools better than anyone else, see CPAC and Rightonline.

and it’s pretty strange you call them his warriors….

idesign on June 19, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Why don’t you ask the guy who broke the MSNBC/Andrea Mitchell edit story who he takes inspiration from.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Palin welcomes you to the team, then. I’m not saying it wouldn’t be ugly for a woman or minority on the ticket, it always is. But it’s going to be ugly for anybody, Portman and TPaw included. If there’s not enough dirt, the Left/media will make it up out of thin air. It’s what they do.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM

If it’s not a minority , it will be “racism”.

So campaign team Romney needs to know how to strike the enemy , media, hard . So far he’s looking better than mccain.

the_nile on June 19, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Of all those listed, Jindal. He is qualified, and when he is elected president someday, I want to see the look on the faces of the Pakistani ruling elite in Islamabad when he is sworn in. LOL.

Philly on June 19, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Plus Romney continues to prove his lack of connection to the base and disinterest in winning the votes of Palin’s many fans and admirers by continuing to slam her for doing nothing more than her best in 2008,

He’ll. Never. Get. My. Vote.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Palin’s fans are the most paranoiac bunch in American politics. Forget Al Sharpton or Alex Jones followers. They’re not even on the same planet.

I don’t remember Romney saying a single negative thing about Palin. Yet I regularly read here that Romney and his campaign are waging a war on Palin and attacking her and whatnot. An unnamed and alleged “informal adviser” speculates that if the VP was a pick there would be a higher level of scrutiny? It becomes “Romney slamming Palin”. It’s amazing.

joana on June 19, 2012 at 5:07 PM

jimver on June 19, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Would the just as gutsy Lt. Gov. take his place?

If so, more heads to esplode…

Schadenfreude on June 19, 2012 at 5:07 PM

It seems the Democrats won’t let a woman become President. Hillary was the big favorite in 2007, going into the D Primaries. The Destablishment went to the sewer and found Obumbo to replace her, that’s how much they oppose a woman for POTUS. Then McCain selected Palin as his VP running mate and the already established anti-woman Ds went balistic using every nasty thing in the D Political bag of tricks and as was seen, thats a lot of nasty stuff they keep in their bag.

aposematic on June 19, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Esoteric on June 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM

A rather pathetic rant, mate.

HerneTheHunter on June 19, 2012 at 5:08 PM

This is about the lamest attack line ever concocted by Mittbots.

Romney could easily shore up conservative support by doing two simple things:

1. Pick a conservative VP (NOT Portman or Pawlenty)
2. Start attacking marxist policies set by Obama (i.e. amnesty for illegal youths).

If Romney refuses to do that, and then loses in the fall, it is entirely his fault.

Norwegian on June 19, 2012 at 5:04 PM

It’s all speculation at this point, some media hacks throwing more crappola out there to distract and divide the cons….wait until he makes his pick…

jimver on June 19, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Jindal is NOT the best pick out there.
He seems a bow to political correctness, oddly.
Just try a choice that doesn’t seem to indicate a bowing down to political correctness like O bowing to the Saudi king. It’s not that hard. We love Jindal, but most would say he’s too young and experienced, and we can find someone else that fits the bill without causing much of the R voters to shake their heads in disbelief. Pay heed to the often unexpressed feelings of many if not most of the R voters. It’s not Jindal this time.

anotherJoe on June 19, 2012 at 4:55 PM

He’s too experienced? How exactly can anyone be too experienced to be Vice-President?

Why would any R voter shake his head in disbelief if Jindal is the nominee?

joana on June 19, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Neither T-Paw nor that other guy from OH excite me, but Romney doesn’t do it for me either. I’ll yawn all the way to the voting booth.

It’s still ABO, the Supreme Court is our last line of defense.

Fallon on June 19, 2012 at 5:09 PM

joana on June 19, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Yes, shocking that a current of “Palin was a bad 2008 pick” coming from the campaign is imputed to the candidate. He’s not supposed to be much of a manager, after all, and has no control over a freewheeling campaign operation that has no message discipline. /

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 5:09 PM

We love Jindal, but most would say he’s too young and experienced,

Mostly people who don’t know much about him, IMHO.

He has been in politics and public policy for almost 20 years now between being an aide to a House member from Louisiana, being Gov. Mike Foster’s head of Health and Hospitals in his 20s, being part of the Health and Human Services department under W, three runs for Governor of Louisiana, and two terms in the House.

This is not some neophite to the national scene.

teke184 on June 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM

I like Pawlenty very much. He has the experience for the job.

thatsafactjack on June 19, 2012

I didn’t like Pawlenty at all as a Presidential candidate. These are trying times and we need strong, steady leadership at the helm. But I think Pawlenty is perfect as a Vice-Presidential candidate. He’s not expected to set the agenda or be the “face” of anything. He does have well-honed political skills though. And when it comes to governance, after the election, he’s just the right sort of personality and talent necessary for a VP working with Congress to help fix the huge mess we have.

One thing – I’m fired up as all Hell about this election already! I don’t need a charismatic VP to rouse my spirit at this juncture. I DO need to know that whomever that is can truly help bring this nation back from the brink.

JonPrichard on June 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM

how does rob portman get put at the top of these lists? he is a 2 yr senator, not a governor. seems like choosing a governor who has recently balanced a budget without raising taxes while lowering unemployment will prove that conservative ideas work. i think mitt will choose a governor with a proven record. if rubio and christie are too unproven, so is portman.

phillysfinest on June 19, 2012 at 5:05 PM

He’s part of the Bush wing. That’s all that matters to the Establishment branch, and since they are the source of Romney’s funding, they are who he will pander to. That’s why Portman is getting mentioned, even though no one has ever heard of him before.

Buckshot Bill on June 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM

rockmom,=bitter hag

AmeriCuda on June 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Yes, shocking that a current of “Palin was a bad 2008 pick” coming from the campaign is imputed to the candidate. He’s not supposed to be much of a manager, after all, and has no control over a freewheeling campaign operation that has no message discipline. /

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 5:09 PM

I think you actually want to believe that because it would suggest that Romney campaign is actually losing 1 second worrying about the 2008 VP pick or Palin.

joana on June 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM

I’d really be up for John Bolton as VP. He’d take the whole dem party apart all on his own.

Bolton is my first choice for VP, by miles.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 19, 2012 at 5:11 PM

I still haven’t met a real-life Romney supporter yet. Maybe they don’t exist in Missouri.

Buckshot Bill on June 19, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Missouri is going to be rough for Willard, not because we’re not conservative enough, but because we hate phonies. Sure, Obumbles is also a phony, but that’s a recipe for not voting more than anything else. I’m campaigning for Johnson but promoting “leave it blank” as well.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 5:11 PM

The VP pick should have the 2020 election as its highest priority. Don’t screw the GOP with another Dick!

aposematic on June 19, 2012 at 5:12 PM

joana on June 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Then he’s a fool.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Breitbart gave us the tools we needed to fight this war, and I’ll fight it along side his thousands of other warriors.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 4:58 PM

And Palin is using those tools better than anyone else, see CPAC and Rightonline.

and it’s pretty strange you call them his warriors….

idesign on June 19, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Breitbart was a human being, not the Greek god Apollo. He wasn’t all correct on all things all the time — no one is, not among us humans.

Same as to Palin and humanity. No one’s “using…tools better than anyone else” like some mythological beast or ruling dynasty.

I think you along with many ohters like you exaggerate issues to such a degree that it’s a wonder you can’t understand how and why people with any variations from your absolutism in dedication to Palin encourages you sounding unreliable.

It makes enjoying Palin difficult when there’s that fawning group such as you are in who claw at others who so much as suggest they aren’t paying her the full amount you demand of them.

Palin’s a politician like all the rest. She’s made her share of mistakes and wrong decisions and she’ll have more of both in the future. We can support her when she makes good, and we should be withholding support from her when she suggests unreliability as she has in the past.

Lourdes on June 19, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Look, I don’t want to come across like I’m beating up on Palin, because I’m not. (I don’t even care about her anymore — she is mostly an afterthought now, her moment has passed in the eyes of all but the tiny sliver of the hardcore GOP base represented by the alwaysfiredups of the world.) I’m beating up on the sorts of obviously retarded, reality-denying rationalizations of her very real screw-ups like the ones quoted above.

Esoteric on June 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Hey Sparky, I guess you missed Palin at CPAC and Rightonlineline. Palin has more favorabilty than Romney with the Republican base, and if you think her “moment” has passed you’re just stupid or part of the cocktail, establishment, beltway crowd.

idesign on June 19, 2012 at 5:13 PM

AmeriCuda on June 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Sarah does that to a lot of women. Brings out their bitter hag.

HerneTheHunter on June 19, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Jindal is NOT the best pick out there.
He seems a bow to political correctness, oddly.
Just try a choice that doesn’t seem to indicate a bowing down to political correctness like O bowing to the Saudi king. It’s not that hard. We love Jindal, but most would say he’s too young and experienced, and we can find someone else that fits the bill without causing much of the R voters to shake their heads in disbelief. Pay heed to the often unexpressed feelings of many if not most of the R voters. It’s not Jindal this time.

anotherJoe on June 19, 2012 at 4:55 PM

How could you say Jindal is inexperienced? He’s a former congressman who’s a two term governor and once ran the state’s hospital system.

He’s about as experienced as Romney quite frankly.

cpaulus on June 19, 2012 at 5:14 PM

I’m campaigning for Johnson but promoting “leave it blank” as well.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 5:11 PM

I’m considering a vote for Johnson, but only because I live in New York. If things go as expected the gimme gimme crowd here will help Premier Obama out to a landslide and my vote won’t matter. If things don’t go as expected and Romney can make it close in NY, it’ll be a landslide everywhere else and my vote won’t matter.

Aren’t one-party states fun?

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 5:15 PM

rockmom,=bitter hag

AmeriCuda on June 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM

And you assume calling women grizzly bears is flattering?

Lourdes on June 19, 2012 at 5:15 PM

I’m beating up on the sorts of obviously retarded, reality-denying rationalizations of her very real screw-ups like the ones quoted above.

Esoteric on June 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM

and yet 30 yr DC veteran -moron – Joe Biden is one heart beat away-

BUT HE”S QUALIFIED TO BE VP !!!!!

Hows that for Irony !!!!

If that dipshiite Biden is acceotable.. ANYONE- SARAH included is acceptable for that job.

FlaMurph on June 19, 2012 at 5:16 PM

The Count on June 19, 2012 at 5:05 PM

I have no problem saying that Condi, having spent 8 years in the White House (and actually attended law school, which is the only reason anyone would know much about SCOTUS), was more “up” on national issues than Palin in 2008. Given Palin’s activity and Condi’s lack thereof in the past four years, I no longer believe that to be true.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Breitbart was a human being, not the Greek god Apollo. He wasn’t all correct on all things all the time — no one is, not among us humans.

Lourdes on June 19, 2012 at 5:12 PM

I’m not claiming that he was, but he was certainly the catalyst for taking the Left’s playbook and throwing it directly back in their faces. He showed the right blogosphere how it’s done, won battles by doing it, and the legacy lives on in those willing to do the same.

Palin gives speeches and appears on Fox News.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 5:16 PM

AmeriCuda on June 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Sarah does that to a lot of women. Brings out their bitter hag.

HerneTheHunter on June 19, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Ohh, right, and she shoots perfumed lightning out of her arse, riiight.

Lourdes on June 19, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Missouri is going to be rough for Willard, not because we’re not conservative enough, but because we hate phonies. Sure, Obumbles is also a phony, but that’s a recipe for not voting more than anything else. I’m campaigning for Johnson but promoting “leave it blank” as well.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 5:11 PM

It is weird though. My area is heavily red, every election. But I can’t find anyone who likes Romney, at all. Yet he seems more or less dead even in the polls, nationally, and well ahead in MO specifically. And yet, the support doesn’t translate into real life. If he isn’t popular in my area, where is his support coming from?

I see more and more pro-Paul yard signs and bumper stickers every week, but nothing pro-Romney. It is just getting bizarre. I wonder how many people are actually planning to vote at all. Are there any polls on that?

Buckshot Bill on June 19, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Lourdes on June 19, 2012 at 5:15 PM

“Mama grizzly”, get it right.

HerneTheHunter on June 19, 2012 at 5:16 PM

This is about the lamest attack line ever concocted by Mittbots.

Romney could easily shore up conservative support by doing two simple things:

1. Pick a conservative VP (NOT Portman or Pawlenty)
2. Start attacking marxist policies set by Obama (i.e. amnesty for illegal youths).

If Romney refuses to do that, and then loses in the fall, it is entirely his fault.

Norwegian on June 19, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Romney doesn’t need to shore up the conservative support because he’s already done that. The base has consolidated around him. Every poll shows it.

Why aren’t Portman and especially Pawlenty conservatives?

joana on June 19, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Aren’t one-party states fun?

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 5:15 PM

I live in a one-party city, so I feel you. But I like living in a swing state, it makes things a little more interesting.

Brunner > McCaskill 2012. :)

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Ohh, right, and she shoots perfumed lightning out of her arse, riiight.

Lourdes on June 19, 2012 at 5:16 PM

You aren’t going to get drunk again, and drag this thread out to 2,000 posts again, are you?

Buckshot Bill on June 19, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Lourdes on June 19, 2012 at 5:16 PM

No, she doesn’t. She’s just a woman. But I guess you are threatened by that.

HerneTheHunter on June 19, 2012 at 5:18 PM

In 2008 Sen. McCain decided he needed to pick someone that would excite the base and add some fire to his campaign. Gov. Palin did that but she wasn’t well prepared or well handled to face the inevitable smear-fest from the hostile media. She did the best she could with a bad situation.

In 2012 Gov. Romney does not need a “gamechanger”. He needs a well-qualified pick that can withstand the onslaught of media assassination games. That means picking someone who has a respectable amount of executive experience, a clear background, and who communicates well. Unfortunately, most of our females with suitable experience either haven’t been in office long enough yet (Kelly Ayotte, Susanna Martinez, Nikkie Haley), aren’t conservative enough to suit the ticket (Susan Collins, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Christie Todd Whitman, etc.), or have other problems (Lisa Murkowski – unreliable independent).

We’ll have a great bench of superbly qualified Republican males and females in 2016 and beyond.

Tim Pawlenty may not be the most exciting guy in the world, but he’s usually effective at getting his points across. If he hadn’t frozen in that one debate, he might have made it to the last not-Romney standing.

Jill1066 on June 19, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Palin gives speeches and appears on Fox News.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 5:16 PM

…and writes books and essays, and endorses and campaigns for candidates, and publicizes government peccadilloes….

But other than that, you’re right, she does nothing.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Then he’s a fool.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Clearly. That’s why he won the nomination, I guess.

joana on June 19, 2012 at 5:19 PM

“I get a kick out of some of the speculation that goes on,” Romney said. “I’m not going to comment on the process, of course, but I can tell you this: Only Beth Myers and I know who’s being vetted.”

Schadenfreude on June 19, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Jill1066 on June 19, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Very well stated. +1

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 5:20 PM

All of these names but no Gen. Patraeus. He is the most respected, serious, and accomplished individual out there. The up-sides are too many to list here. I wish it was part of the VP conversation.

Jussi on June 19, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Jill1066 on June 19, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Really? Tim Pawlenty? Effective at getting his point across, you say? The guy who quit after the non-binding Ames straw poll? That effective Tim Pawlenty?

HerneTheHunter on June 19, 2012 at 5:21 PM

…and writes books and essays, and endorses and campaigns for candidates, and publicizes government peccadilloes….

But other than that, you’re right, she does nothing.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 5:19 PM

I’m not saying that in a bad way. I’m just saying that when it comes to the actual, on-the-ground pushback against the leftist media, Breitbart has been the model. Palin inspires philsophically. Breitbart created the model of response.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 5:21 PM

I wish Romney would vet and select a woman for VP 2012. The stigma of the Palin run needs to go away and credibility needs to be restored to the possibility of a woman president.

sherry on June 19, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Clearly. That’s why he won the nomination, I guess.

joana on June 19, 2012 at 5:19 PM

It must just take money and organization and a huge helping hand from conservative media to win the nomination, because that’s how he won it. Even an idiot can win a nomination; look at the Dems.

alwaysfiredup on June 19, 2012 at 5:22 PM

You aren’t going to get drunk again, and drag this thread out to 2,000 posts again, are you?

Buckshot Bill on June 19, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Drunk? That was pure bath salts.

the_nile on June 19, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Romney should pick Evan Bayh.

Unity ticket.

Plus Evan Bayh would give the Romney ticket some conservatism.

portlandon on June 19, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Strange how readily the base is split right here on Hot Air just at the MENTION of Palin. People leap to castigate one another, name calling, replete with personal jibes.

What do you suppose would happen if she actually RAN for another political office and how useful do you suppose that run would be to the opposition?

Sarah Palin is a media personality. She willfully relinquished her position in politics as a political entity in order to transition to a very lucrative position as a political analyst on a major news outlet.

If Palin does decide to run for another political office, it will be on her own ticket because, frankly, she causes too much collateral damage WITHIN the base to be chosen as a running mate for a front runner or a confirmed nominee.

thatsafactjack on June 19, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Breitbart was a human being, not the Greek god Apollo. He wasn’t all correct on all things all the time — no one is, not among us humans.

Lourdes on June 19, 2012 at 5:12 PM

I’m not claiming that he was, but he was certainly the catalyst for taking the Left’s playbook and throwing it directly back in their faces. He showed the right blogosphere how it’s done, won battles by doing it, and the legacy lives on in those willing to do the same.

Palin gives speeches and appears on Fox News.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Breitbart held several key positions/beliefs that many people on the Right don’t, if not outright disagreed with. His METHODDS worked in opposition to the Left because they WERE the Left’s methods, for the most part. But as to beliefs, he held several positions that didn’t represent a lot of the GOP, certainly, or the Right.

I respected the man, however, and mourned his passing along with so many others. However, it’s not fruitful to make him out to be some leader of the Right, not now, because on the issues he wasn’t actually all that “on the Right.”

I am aware that Palin’s on Fox as contributor of opinions. It doesn’t mean anyone’s under any obligation to elevate her to Supreme simply because she, like others, appears there. So does Leslie Marshall, so does Juan Williams, so does Geraldo Rivera, so does Bob Beckel, so does…

My point being that a lot of opinion can be found on Fox. I listen to most of it, I don’t agree with all of it.

Lourdes on June 19, 2012 at 5:22 PM

All of these names but no Gen. Patraeus. He is the most respected, serious, and accomplished individual out there. The up-sides are too many to list here. I wish it was part of the VP conversation.

Jussi on June 19, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Do you even know his politics? Does he have any sort of political skill? What about Bill Gates, Clint Eastwood or Larry Bird? Very accomplished individuals as well.

joana on June 19, 2012 at 5:23 PM

And you assume calling women grizzly bears is flattering?

Lourdes on June 19, 2012 at 5:15 PM

“Mama grizzlies”? Sure. The one place you definitely NEVER want to be is between a grizzly and her cubs. I think most people understood this.

As to rockmom, she’s right that Palin had a great rack (esepecially in that picture where the lefties accused her of having had implants) but that isn’t why guys supported her. I really don’t want a politician I lust after. It’s a negative point. Palin was though, by far, the most conservative pick on McShame’s list and she lived up to being fearless (had McShame and his crew of retards not totally shackled her) and a strong advocate for conservativism.

She made a few mistakes – though I haven’t read a newspaper or magazine in over a decade and I’m still better informed than all but a few journalists or pundits – but she came back and has been a very important force for conservativism (though she has a few wobbly points, still). And frankly, pretty much everyone else in national politics, now, has made tons more mistakes than Palin ever did.

I would like to see Palin in the running. It would make me feel more comfortable with Mittens the same way that Cheney made me feel better about Bush. I don’t think Mittens would even think of Palin, though.

My first choice for VP is still John Bolton.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 19, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Really? Tim Pawlenty? Effective at getting his point across, you say? The guy who quit after the non-binding Ames straw poll? That effective Tim Pawlenty?

HerneTheHunter on June 19, 2012 at 5:21 PM

At the time, it seemed like the smart thing to do. No one could have predicted then that pretty much every candidate in the race would get their time at the top of the polls.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Why aren’t Portman and especially Pawlenty conservatives?

joana on June 19, 2012 at 5:17 PM

I’d assume because they don’t believe in conservatism. I don’t know why Republican politicians insist on supporting democrat/liberal policies, but then I can’t understand why Republican voters would bother calling themselves “conservatives” but insist on voting for liberals like Romney. People seem to like lying to themselves a lot.

Buckshot Bill on June 19, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Clearly. That’s why he won bought the nomination, I guess.

joana on June 19, 2012 at 5:19 PM

fify

idesign on June 19, 2012 at 5:23 PM

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