No deal: After meeting, Issa says contempt vote on Holder is still on

posted at 8:01 pm on June 19, 2012 by Allahpundit

Issa wants extensive documents, Holder’s offering a few documents plus, er, a briefing. If he doesn’t change his tune by 10 a.m. tomorrow, the contempt vote is happening.

This is some game of chicken they’re playing here.

The announcement Tuesday night by committee chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., followed a closed-door meeting at the Capitol between Issa and other Republican and Democratic lawmakers with Holder at the U.S. Capitol. Issa described himself as disappointed and still hoping for a breakthrough…

Holder, speaking in the Capitol Rotunda to reporters, said he had come “in good faith” and that he had made a number of documents, specifically those from February to December of 2011, available.

Asked if he thought he and his department could avoid the contempt vote, Holder said, “The ball’s in their court.”

But Issa said, “Today, the Attorney General informed us that the Department would not be producing those documents. The only offer they made involved us ending our investigation.”

Remember, Boehner’s reportedly not thrilled with the idea of F&F hearings sucking up lots of political oxygen during the campaign. That’s what Holder’s counting on, I assume — that Issa will either find some excuse at the last minute to avert the contempt vote at the committee level or that, if the committee does vote, Boehner will somehow bury the contempt recommendation before it comes before the full House for a vote. (Follow the last link and you’ll see that even if the House votes to hold Holder in contempt, there’s always a chance that they’ll reach a deal on the documents with the DOJ before the inevitable court battle occurs.)

Remind me again why Boehner’s worried about this investigation blowing up. The media covers it sparingly and with the greatest reluctance for obvious partisan reasons, so it’s not as if Romney’s daily stump speeches about the economy will be bumped off cable news. At best, it’s a signal to voters about serious transparency problems at the DOJ over a deadly serious scandal. At worst, it’s something that the media continues to ignoring because it’s potentially too damaging to their boyfriend. It’s not as if the House is busy with other matters right now either. I don’t quite get it.



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Allah: Beta Male

the new aesthetic on June 19, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Remind me again why Boehner’s worried about this investigation blowing up.

Boehner’s a charter member of “the entrenched political class”. He might be OK with occasionally, you know, defeating the dems, but he’s not out to clobber them or embarrass them or anything tasteless like that. Not how the game is played, old man. After all, he might need a favor from Barky or Nanzi or Eric some time in the future.

Go on, Boehner… show us something and prove me wrong.

bofh on June 19, 2012 at 9:13 PM

(Royalty paid in full to Schadenfreude.

the new aesthetic on June 19, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Cha-ching :)

Schadenfreude on June 19, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Nuke Em till he glows

banzaibob on June 19, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Boehner’s worried about the F&F hearings sucking up political oxygen? Why worry? ABCNNBCBS won’t report on them anyways.

grgeil on June 19, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Obumbo most likely hopes the Congress holding Holder in Contempt of Congress will rally his base. He’s probably correct since his base consists of hate for America and love it when Obumbo and Holder break America’s Laws.

aposematic on June 19, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Remind me again why Boehner’s worried about this investigation blowing up. The media covers it sparingly and with the greatest reluctance for obvious partisan reasons, so it’s not as if Romney’s daily stump speeches about the economy will be bumped off cable news. At best, it’s a signal to voters about serious transparency problems at the DOJ over a deadly serious scandal. At worst, it’s something that the media continues to ignoring because it’s potentially too damaging to their boyfriend. It’s not as if the House is busy with other matters right now either. I don’t quite get it.

Could it be summed up as, “a personal problem?”

tom on June 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM

More, from the DC:

On Monday afternoon, Issa told Holder he needed documents — not a promise of future document production — before he would agree to postpone contempt proceedings. Holder did not come to the meeting with the documents in hand.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/19/holder-shows-up-empty-handed-to-issa-meeting-chooses-path-toward-contempt-of-congress/#ixzz1yI6Ld5Ut

BKeyser on June 19, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Thanks, that’s what I suspected. By ‘make available’ I guess the idiot Holder meant ‘put them to the top of the pile of things I might think of giving to Congress’.

Holder just keeps getting more brazen in his obstruction.

slickwillie2001 on June 19, 2012 at 9:26 PM

ConcealedKerry on June 19, 2012 at 8:34 PM

This!

concealedkerry is onto something. I might add that Mitt should go to the site where Brian Terry was murdered for a press conference. Drag the media to the scene of the crime and hold their head in it.

ted c on June 19, 2012 at 8:36 PM

You know, the dems absolutely love this kind of kabuki theatre – they never try to make a point without having some sort of heart-rending human show-and-tell soap-opera.

And if the scene is in a dangerous area, so much the better. Force the LSM to cover it, and to alert the American public that portions of our southern border are already “no go” zones. If necessary, spend some of that campaign cash to buy additional security.

“But… but…. but we don’t DO things that way…” says the conventional wisdom. And Alinsky laughs smugly in his grave.

bofh on June 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM

What would Palin do?
Rip Obamas arm off and march down to El Paso and San Deigo and beat Holder bloody and incapacitated with it.
Mitt if you haven’t the guts to go, send the girl or turn her lose at the convention to ask why No-One cares that hundreds of mexicans were murdered by the US Justice dept and BATF!
Why won’t Obama make hids AG cooperate or resign?

ConcealedKerry on June 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM

The wheels of justice turn slowly indeed Mr. Holder. Do they not? They turn for thee.

jake49 on June 19, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Because it resembles impeachment, a la Clinton. That’s one thing the left understands and Obama/Holder think it will fire up all of their left-wing drones. They might be right about that.

“These Republicans are so divisive; they act in such bad faith. Whenever a Democrat is President, they abuse Congressional procedure just to try to hurt the President. That’s terrible! The Republicans are so terrible, in fact, that I am going to respond to this email blast by sending Obama $50.”

They’re still pissed that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Ashcroft weren’t impeached.

allahpunditfanclub on June 19, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Go on, Boehner… show us something and prove me wrong.

bofh on June 19, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Yup.

disa on June 19, 2012 at 9:34 PM

I’m literally praying that Boehner stands to and does the right thing. Justice is the only right thing.

Agents Brian Terry and Jaime Zapata, their families and the United States deserve justice — as do the victims of 200 crimes in Mexico.

The rest is noise. Issa gets that.

PopsRacer on June 19, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Issa will ignore Boehner and have the vote. The only person who can lose this fight is Obama, standing behind an attorney general who caused the death of Border Patrol Agents can’t be good for an election.

Tater Salad on June 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM

canopfor on June 19, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Issa: “Who authorized Operation Fast and Furious?”

Holder: “Waaaa… Waaaa… Waa.. Wa.”

Seven Percent Solution on June 19, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Seven Percent Solution:Lol,at least its not Mars Attack,

`’Aaaack…Aaack…Aak Aak’:)

canopfor on June 19, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Come on Boehner, let Issa put the screws on these sons of b!tches. I’m tired of pussyfooting around.

Mark1971 on June 19, 2012 at 9:53 PM

B.F.D

Democrites and their community organizer will just ignore any vote or discipline sent their way. When you get away with lying to congress and obstructing justice, you really don’t have to worry about the sheriff anymore – short of getting caught with your lemons being squeezed in the oval office. (and only then if it is opposite sex consensual, homoerotica is probably acceptable activity with these commies)

FlaMurph on June 19, 2012 at 9:53 PM

What if this was the “W” administration doing this?

Is it me or is Holder cut from the same cloth as Supreme Leader in the arrogance department?

Dingbat63 on June 19, 2012 at 9:57 PM

`’Aaaack…Aaack…Aak Aak’:)

canopfor on June 19, 2012 at 9:47 PM

That’s next…

… because Issa has been getting a gold mine of information from whistle blowers who didn’t take to kindly to the murder of Agent Terry, how his family was treated, and the whole political agenda behind Fast and Furious.

One thing I know about Rep. Issa…

… he rarely asks a question that he doesn’t already know the answer to.

That is why Holder has put on his tap dancing shoes, but Issa is not going to be played…

Seven Percent Solution on June 19, 2012 at 9:57 PM

My personal desire is that after Holder is found in contempt, he is handcuffed and incarcerated.

Babsy on June 19, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Hey boner! Never fear the truth. It will set us free. If it’s because we have dirty laundry on our side, so be it. Oh by the way you need to go regardless.

AH_C on June 19, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Issa on Greta laying the case…

Seven Percent Solution on June 19, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Issa: “The Attorney General asked us to end the investigation, then they would provide some documents along with a briefing, but the investigation would have to end first. No documents were offered at the meeting.”

I am so glad we have our new media…

… Woodward and Bernstein must be busy looking up “Wawa”.

Seven Percent Solution on June 19, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Issa on Greta: Holder giving us two choices: if the contempt proceeding goes ahead, all cooperation from Holder to the committee ends; or: accept Holder’s offer of a ‘briefing’ from him which will be supported by ‘some further documents’, and after that briefing Holder will consider the matter closed.

The bizarre second choice leaves Issa no choice but to go ahead with contempt charges.

slickwillie2001 on June 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Boehner needs to grow a new set of gonads. He has to go in the next Congress.

CharlieCA on June 19, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Remind me again why Boehner’s worried about this investigation blowing up.

(raises hand) oh, oh, me, pick me, I know – because Boehner’s a spineless p—y.

thirteen28 on June 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM

What is really disgusting is the low life scummy editors of the MSM who won’t report on fast & furious or Issa’s efforts. They are a shameful disgrace to their noble profession. Like the editors of Pravda in Stalin’s time they are basically organs of their power grabbing boss and to keep him in power is evidently all they feel obliged to do.

Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News, is the only reporter in the mainstream media to present the facts in the Fast and Furious scandal.

http://cbsn.ws/LqWvM4

Chessplayer on June 19, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Where’s Andrea Mitchell’s excellent reporting when you really need it…

PatriotRider on June 19, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Boehner, find your balls already.
This isn’t about politics. This is about a dead border patrol agent.
And, can we please discuss why our border agents are shooting beanbags? Why not just have them carry cotton candy?

AllahsNippleHair on June 19, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Where’s Andrea Mitchell’s excellent reporting when you really need it…

PatriotRider on June 19, 2012 at 10:27 PM

She’s busy issuing an apology to romney :)…

jimver on June 19, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Why not just have them carry cotton candy?

AllahsNippleHair on June 19, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Because Mayor Bloomberg and Moochelle say cotton candy contains sugar which is bad for you, so if illegals eat sugar that is bad for you, they may buy Fast and Furious guns , and if they buy Fast and Furious guns people git shot and if people git shot, it negatively effects heathcare, so don’t negatively effect health care , don’t carry Cotton candy, at least not till after the SCOTUS rules.

ConcealedKerry on June 19, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Fast and Furious is a legit scandal that should be national news.
 
libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 4:53 PM

 
Pulled from a serious post. Good for you, LFOD.

rogerb on June 19, 2012 at 10:41 PM

An update with links would be a good start, wouldn’t it?

Or are these all “inside the beltway” leaks?

PolAgnostic

It’s a lot easier to rely on unattributed gossip to burnish one’s Eeyore complex than verified info.

chimney sweep on June 19, 2012 at 8:32 PM

.
I’m thinking he’s hoping to win the Andrea Mitchell Excellence in JournoListing Award
(never letting facts stand in the way of pursuing your agenda)

I am no fan of Speaker Boehner.

I AM a huge fan of Put Up or Shut Up.

You want to play Big League Blogger? Back up your story with facts, links and/or documentation of what someone said or did.

Cut the limp wristed, beta male innuendo crap.

PolAgnostic on June 19, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Holder’s arrogance and total disregard for the sanctity of life is beyond my comprehension.

The only things I can say to describe him are ***^^^###!!!!!@@@ (feel free to insert your own curse words).

GrannyDee on June 19, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Holder has excelled in preventing Congress from exercising it’s Constitutionally mandated oversight responsibilities. His DoJ with full support from the MSM, has done everything they can to hide Fast and Furious from the light of day, with a hat tip to the HHS.

He has:

1. After denying there was a connection, blamed Bush’s “Wide Receiver” for the 2k plus guns run into Mexico. (Never heard that one before)

2. Transferred responsible managers from Arizona to Washington DC with no reductions in rank. (I’ve been to AZ and DC. Sounds like a plus to me)

3. Fired 24 year ATF agent Cefalu, the whistleblower. (There are laws against this. I’m sure the DoJ will investigate and prosecute immediately. What? Oh yeah… Never mind.)

4. Left Officer Terry’s family hanging. (Still hanging. God bless them.)

5. Used the sale 2k+ guns that the ATF authorized as justification to clamp down on gun sales in 5 border states. (Google “sorry ass”, you may find Rep. Elijah Cummings who went from first assured Cefalu that the responsible would be prosecuted to doing everything he can to block the inquiry.)

6. Sent a document so full of lies in Feb 2011, that it had to be retracted in total 10 months later. (Think Roger Clemens prudery trial. Nothing to see here. Move along)

If there were a Nobel Prize in Obstruction and Obfuscation, Holder would be a lock.

WestTexasBirdDog on June 19, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Remember, Boehner’s reportedly not thrilled with the idea of F&F hearings sucking up lots of political oxygen during the campaign. That’s what Holder’s counting on, I assume — that Issa will either find some excuse at the last minute to avert the contempt vote at the committee level or that, if the committee does vote, Boehner will somehow bury the contempt recommendation before it comes before the full House for a vote.

And you contacted Boehner’s office to confirm if this report was true before posting this statement Allah?

Because Mary Chastain at Breitbart did.

Once again the media is reporting supposed facts about Speaker John Boehner without actually confirming them. This time Fox News’s William La Jeunesse states Speaker Boehner is putting pressure on Chairman Darrell Issa to drop contempt charges against Attorney General Eric Holder in relation to the ongoing investigation of Operation Fast and Furious.

This is not true. Speaker Boehner’s spokesman Michael Steel confirmed it for me once again.

“The Speaker supports Chairman Issa’s efforts to hold the Department of Justice accountable,” Mr. Steel wrote in an email…

Flora Duh on June 19, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Remember he was around during Waco too. This isn’t new for Holder.

Boehner could be holding back for several reasons, some already mentioned. Fear it will backfire on the repubs during the election and/or a fear of a backlash against government and “national security”. This case isn’t just about Arizona gun running, but Texas and Florida (with a Honduras connection to boot) too. Then there is the issue with it being a way to support the Sinaloa cartel along with blaming the violence on American’s loving their guns and thus a way to bring up gun control here in the US.

oryguncon on June 19, 2012 at 10:54 PM

WestTexasBirdDog on June 19, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Issa on Greta tonight said that around half of the 7000 or so documents that the idiot Holder has provided to the committee, about half of them are from the President George W. Bush administration program. In other words, unresponsive fluff.

slickwillie2001 on June 19, 2012 at 10:55 PM

why 10 am tomorrow? I thought this waste of space had until 5pm today. Now, 10am tomorrow. Once we hit that deadline will it be then 4pm thursday? then 9:15 next monday?

Stop the music, drop the shoe, do the deed.

ted c on June 19, 2012 at 8:14 PM

As long as he doesn’t push any deadlines back, and he hasn’t been, Issa’s not doing anything wrong by giving Holder opportunities to come clean.

Bizarro No. 1 on June 19, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Who the blank does Holder think he is?

What the blank is wrong with Boehner?

stukinIL4now on June 19, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Remember he was around during Waco too. This isn’t new for Holder.

Boehner could be holding back for several reasons, some already mentioned. Fear it will backfire on the repubs during the election and/or a fear of a backlash against government and “national security”. This case isn’t just about Arizona gun running, but Texas and Florida (with a Honduras connection to boot) too. Then there is the issue with it being a way to support the Sinaloa cartel along with blaming the violence on American’s loving their guns and thus a way to bring up gun control here in the US.

oryguncon on June 19, 2012 at 10:54 PM

I want to know why Congress hasn’t delved further into the Texas, Florida, and Honduras F&F operations.

slickwillie2001 on June 19, 2012 at 10:57 PM

One thing to remember, is that this goes way beyond Holder…

… “Fast and Furious” included elements of the Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security, the State Department and the CIA.

There is only one person in this Country that could authorize all of that inter agency cooperation with resources and budgets…

… What I’m waiting for, especially in this political year, is what is going to happen when this question is asked again:

“Under he Arms Export Control Act, the Justice Department was required to receive a written waiver from the State Department to account for their intent to cause arms to be exported to drug cartels in Mexico,” said Mack. “If no such waiver was received, Justice Department officials have violated the law. And you would agree with that, correct?”

I cannot offer an opinion,” said Clinton.”

Issa took his time, was patient, and thorough…

… The only question is, who is going to take the fall for Obowma?

Seven Percent Solution on June 19, 2012 at 11:02 PM

OT/ but just what did Obama say in his press conference that set O’Reilly off?

sandee on June 19, 2012 at 8:34 PM

O’Reilly was excited because 0bamessiah gave what Bill said was the most boring press conference he had seen a President give.

Before BOR came on, I was laughing at how monotonous 0bamessiah was sounding – it really was bad! O’Reilly made fun of the press conference throughout the show – it was hilarious/great! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on June 19, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Given that Obama appointed Holder to head the DOJ, if Al Capone were still alive, Obama would have probably appointed him to head the FBI. Which actually, would not be as bad.

VorDaj on June 19, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Nuke Em till he glows

banzaibob on June 19, 2012 at 9:16 PM

That’s what I say. Holder is hiding something. Holder is probably hiding a LOT of somethings. Nuke him ’til he glows. Take no prisoners. Forget the consequences because it’s THE RIGHT THING TO DO ™.

The Rogue Tomato on June 19, 2012 at 11:20 PM

I don’t buy the “Boehner doesn’t want it to happen” meme

That just doesn’t make any sense. All of his official statements say he is 100% behind this investigation and the only sources that claim he isn’t are anonymous and from democrat shills.

Think about it logically, why would he NOT want this investigation front and center on the campaign? It proves that people within the Obama administration were engaged in illegal activities! Anybody with an R next to their name (except maybe McCAin but even he might want this to happen ) would love for this to become headline news (as it should have already been)

NerwenAldarion on June 19, 2012 at 11:25 PM

ted c on June 19, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I believe that the waste is that
some way’round will be had, and then
everything will be fine. See how that works?

Sternly worded letters. They’re saving the dry
powder for the ‘bigger’ things.

Just once, I would like to applaud one of these
DC bubbleheads for telling the truth, getting at
the truth, and doing the right thing about criminal
behavior.

And there has been a ton of criminal going on
in these last few years…
Even with those who will not uphold their oath
over the proceedings.

Remarkable, just how we have fallen
from the proverbial turnip truck.

Talk (just words), isn’t cheap anymore.
Rhetoric has long sense left the barn… pu!

mickytx on June 19, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Holder=JAIL

TX-96 on June 19, 2012 at 11:58 PM

The committee will be voting tomorrow on the contempt charge.

davo on June 20, 2012 at 12:04 AM

O’Reilly was excited because 0bamessiah gave what Bill said was the most boring press conference he had seen a President give.

Before BOR came on, I was laughing at how monotonous 0bamessiah was sounding – it really was bad! O’Reilly made fun of the press conference throughout the show – it was hilarious/great! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on June 19, 2012 at 11:11 PM

But, but, according to O’Reilly, he does not mean to harm the country? He’s just passionate about fundamentally changing it.

Maybe O’Reilly is finally getting a freaking clue…

ccrosby on June 20, 2012 at 12:12 AM

This is NOT a “game” of “chicken”.

Only a nincompoop would even SUGGEST that.

People’s LIVES are at stake – and some jackwagon derides the importance of an act of Congress to Hold People Accountable just to get his “sneer” off.

Pitiful. This is an act of Holding Holder ACCOUNTABLE!! Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY-03vYYAjA

williamg on June 20, 2012 at 12:17 AM

No longer a nation of laws. And Speaker Boehner is part of the problem. Feckless subdued quasi-leadership in the face of rampant marxism and race-based shenanigans is a total failure / abnegation of the offfice. Boehner should NOT be Speaker of the 113th Congress.

rayra on June 20, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Once again the media is reporting supposed facts about Speaker John Boehner without actually confirming them. This time Fox News’s William La Jeunesse states Speaker Boehner is putting pressure on Chairman Darrell Issa to drop contempt charges against Attorney General Eric Holder in relation to the ongoing investigation of Operation Fast and Furious.

This is not true. Speaker Boehner’s spokesman Michael Steel confirmed it for me once again.

“The Speaker supports Chairman Issa’s efforts to hold the Department of Justice accountable,” Mr. Steel wrote in an email…

Flora Duh on June 19, 2012 at 10:52 PM

I hope you are correct, but Boehner’s record of zero wins against Obama and the Democrats even when he’s Speaker of the House and controls spending isn’t reassuring.

An old saw in Washington DC that has been proven true innumerable times: “Nothing is true until it has first been officially denied.” That seems to cover Speaker Boehner’s official denial rather smartly.

RJL on June 20, 2012 at 12:36 AM

The committee will be voting tomorrow on the contempt charge.

davo on June 20, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Is it just me? Or does this make anyone else uneasy?

I feel a “GOP compromise” is on the way.

I don’t trust any of them anymore…

ccrosby on June 20, 2012 at 12:48 AM

Hmmmm….Holder getting held in contempt, and the Supreme Court going nuclear on Obamacare. This could turn out to be a pretty good week.

bitsy on June 20, 2012 at 12:51 AM

I don’t buy the “Boehner doesn’t want it to happen” meme

NerwenAldarion on June 19, 2012 at 11:25 PM

I happen to agree with you – this timing could be very well calculated. Had Eric Holder been thrown under the bus last year, this scandal would have been “old news” by the time of the election.

The investigation must be meticulously done, in order to insulate it from any legitimate complaints about this being a political show. For a legitimate contempt of Congress vote, we have to give the AG every opportunity to comply, before we drop the hammer.

The rumors of “Boehner does not want the vote” may just be an attempt to confuse the other side.

The other thing about the timing is the vulnerability of the administration. The president’s campaign is now being criticized publically by his own side – something that was not true even a month ago. There is now blood in the water. A contempt of Congress vote will have much more effectiveness against an administration that is increasingly perceived as vulnerable.

I might be over-analyzing this. But I don’t think so. We will see in the next few days. I am reserving judgement until then.

SubmarineDoc on June 20, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Boehner is a gutless wonder that needs to be replaced. We need firebreathers, not squishy slugs, no matter the outcome in November.

michaelo on June 20, 2012 at 12:57 AM

What would Palin do?

ConcealedKerry on June 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Probably the same as is being done, which is why I admire her and follow her as the de facto leader of the conservative-reform party. She’s a pragmatist and realist and has a good sense of priorities, realizing our first order of business as patriots is to get Obama out of office.

Now Sharron Angle, she was a genuine purist, and she made enough of these “pure” statements to marginalize herself and the conservative party in Nevada and lose an election in a landslide to doddering, senile wheezebag Reid. But she spoke truth to power! Is that what we need right now?

If Palin wanted to make an important issue out of Fast and Furious, she could talk it up in Fox interviews and speeches, and she could write about it on Facebook. She’s not doing that because there are bigger fish to fry at the moment, and she knows it. Meanwhile, she’s supporting Hatch. Why? Because she sees the long war that needs to be fought and is picking her battles carefully. This issue with Holder is one battle among many. It’s not the only battle; it’s just one.

All of this said, I love how Issa has been handling Fast and Furious. He bent over backwards giving Holder every chance possible to supply the documents so Republicans would not appear to be partisan. Failing that, Issa’s being firm as a rock in promising a vote on a formal charge of contempt. Perfect.

Burke on June 20, 2012 at 1:01 AM

… The only question is, who is going to take the fall for Obowma?

Seven Percent Solution on June 19, 2012 at 11:02 PM

IMHO?

Not Holder

If Issa has moles who have already provided him with smoking gun documents …

Holder will go ALL John Dean in a heartbeat.

There is only one G. Gordon Liddy in the Administration

PolAgnostic on June 20, 2012 at 1:12 AM

There is only one G. Gordon Liddy in the Administration

PolAgnostic on June 20, 2012 at 1:12 AM

Paging Mrs. Ida Lowry.

Kenosha Kid on June 20, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Say goodnight, Steadman.

Travis Bickle on June 20, 2012 at 1:35 AM

IMHO?

Not Holder

If Issa has moles who have already provided him with smoking gun documents …

Holder will go ALL John Dean in a heartbeat.

There is only one G. Gordon Liddy in the Administration

PolAgnostic on June 20, 2012 at 1:12 AM

That is the twist…

… Billy Jeff has already turned on Obowma.

If Hillary has to produce evidence that she gave the OK as Sec. of State for weapons to cross the border, then she has to answer the question as to who gave her the OK, if she didn’t…

… then “Unleash Hell!!!”

Seven Percent Solution on June 20, 2012 at 2:23 AM

The house republicans are afraid of challenging the executive directly with this power. Their afraid that it might turn into a glass sword in their hands and shatter… and via precedence it will be weakened there after. They’re also afraid of blow back.

They see obama as on the ropes and they don’t want to do anything that changes the dynamics. They want to just safely coast this thing through the wickets… no complications.

Karmashock on June 20, 2012 at 5:43 AM

I don’t quite get it.

Boehner’s a pu$$y, like most in the Gang Of Pu$$ies. He doesn’t mind being so, he just doesn’t want it to be so obvious to the voters.

SKYFOX on June 20, 2012 at 6:08 AM

Holder marching down the hall and surrounded by “his people” signals his weakness as his “fingerprints” and other high officials are all over the missing documents demanded in the investigation. They will vote and will hold him in contempt, which will be on his resume forever. Hope, finally, he is removed from office that he does not deserve to hold anymore. Will be packing in a few months anyway, when the voters kick Obama out of OUR White House.

Amazingoly on June 20, 2012 at 6:26 AM

The process is not fast but the dithering by Boehner and the stonewalling by Holder certainly has made me furious.

Happy Nomad on June 20, 2012 at 7:10 AM

Holder marching down the hall and surrounded by “his people” signals his weakness as his “fingerprints” and other high officials are all over the missing documents demanded in the investigation.

Amazingoly on June 20, 2012 at 6:26 AM

I will not be happy until Holder and his people are frog marched out of the DoJ building in the mother of all perp walks.

Happy Nomad on June 20, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Hmmmm….Holder getting held in contempt, and the Supreme Court going nuclear on Obamacare. This could turn out to be a pretty good week.

bitsy on June 20, 2012 at 12:51 AM

At some point, Holder will be forced to give the speech. I suspect that in a twist on the usual “to spend more time with my family” the theme will be “because this distracts from all the wonderful things Obama is running for re-election on.”

Happy Nomad on June 20, 2012 at 7:14 AM

Is Boehner and Cantor going to fold on this one ?

Sandybourne on June 20, 2012 at 7:25 AM

My guess the NRA card may give them sufficient backbone.

That being said, we haven’t really talked about the next step. If Holder is held in contempt by the Congress, it goes to (wait for it) the DoJ and the US Attorney for DC for investigation. In other words, Holder gets to investigate himself via the guy we know is am ardant Obama supporter. I suspect that this aspect (and the knowledge that the bastards will bury any real investigation) legitimately gives Boehner and Cantor reason to proceed with caution. This is the silly season and the jug-eared Kenyan would love to make the election all about a vindictive GOP Congress and not about his failures as a President, leader, American, father, and human being.

Happy Nomad on June 20, 2012 at 7:33 AM

Sandybourne on June 20, 2012 at 7:25 AM

man they better not…they’re going to get lambasted by the lsm no matter what happens so take a bloody stand and follow the rule of law…the dude had 9 months to comply with the bloody subpeona….fry his butt

cmsinaz on June 20, 2012 at 7:35 AM

One question…what does a contempt vote do? If upheld they still won’t get the info, and the dems will just say it’s political.

The papers, all papers will stop and Holder and others will just plead the 5th or some such nonsense.

Yet Issa is forced to do it…it just won’t accomplish anything.

Now if the contempt charge carries also a subpoena for the FBI to confiscate all the records, that would be the best.

right2bright on June 20, 2012 at 7:36 AM

… Billy Jeff has already turned on Obowma.

If Hillary has to produce evidence that she gave the OK as Sec. of State for weapons to cross the border, then she has to answer the question as to who gave her the OK, if she didn’t…

… then “Unleash Hell!!!”

Seven Percent Solution on June 20, 2012 at 2:23 AM

Since this was a covert, back door attempt to eliminate the second amendment, would Hillary have signed such permission? Holder and Obama block and obfuscate as long as they can hoping they can wear out those who try to hold them accountable for their criminal acts.

When they are confronted by determination, they LOSE. They know they will lose in this case too. Despite Boehner’s assertions, I do not believe him. He is too affable.

dogsoldier on June 20, 2012 at 7:38 AM

The race-baiting constitution-loathing oversight-dodging Obama Attnorney General is not going to give up anything that puts a noose around his own neck even if the contempt citation passes the House, but it is a necessary step toward removing this dangerous extreme ideologue from power. Another necessary step is everyone defying the edicts of this rogue regime.

insidiator on June 20, 2012 at 7:43 AM

All I can say is that the documents must reveal some really, really bad stuff for DOJ and the Obama admin.

Holder’s position that all of these documents are covered by executive privilege as “internal deliberations” takes that idea to the extreme whereby all internal communications at an executive agency are privileged from congressional oversight, which is absurd.

This is becoming more of a constitutional crisis then an issue of the F&F scandal at this point.

Obama’s legislating by fiat (DREAM Act), among others, Obama’s national security leaks for personal gain (electoral success), Obama’s executive agencies going well beyond their powers and legislating (NLRB, among others), and now this sweeping new claim of “privilege” to shield virtually every internal communication of any agency from congressional oversight.

This is truly the most lawless presidency in at least 100 years, if not more.

Monkeytoe on June 20, 2012 at 7:44 AM

Now if the contempt charge carries also a subpoena for the FBI to confiscate all the records, that would be the best.

right2bright on June 20, 2012 at 7:36 AM

Didn’t Issa already subpoena the docs? He might have some he has not revealed as well. It just occurred to me that the republicans have been holding back to get the maximum effect, when they do this.

Issa and company appear to have some very damning evidence. Holder thinks they are bluffing. That’s why he’s lying and obstructing.

dogsoldier on June 20, 2012 at 7:45 AM

Reportedly, Holder has warned Issa “Don’t call my bluff Darrell!”

CitizenEgg on June 20, 2012 at 7:53 AM

My guess is that to some extent, Obama thinks that such a showdown will help him in the election, the way Clinton’s helped him and therefore wants the contempt proceeding, etc.

I’m not sure this is an accurate read of what will happen though. Sure, the media will cover this in the most favorable way possible to help Obama – republican overreach, partisan witch-hunt, etc. – but a) unlike Clinton, Obama has a terrible economy and is a failure on almost every other front and b) this can’t be spun as “impeachment over sex” or a special prosecutor run amok. this is a legitimate congressional investigation.

The counter-argument that it’s a partisan investigation is meaningless b/c it assumes that the investigated get to decide what congress does and does not investigate and/or that congress must prove some wrongdoing before it investigates.

Obviously, neither of those things is true. Congress has the right to investigate even if no wrongdoing is suspected. Even if all congress thinks is that there was incompetence or inefficiencies, congress still has the right to investigate. Even if it is a partisan investigation, congress still has the legal right to investigate and it is still breaking the law to refuse to comply.

So, unlike with Clinton, at this point we are not arguing over the interpretation of what an investigation found, or over what punishment is appropriate for the conduct found in an investigation – as the investigation has not been completed. Instead, we are arguing over the very right of congress to investigate in the first instance.

The Obama administration is taking the position that congress does not have the right to subpoena records and investigate.

Monkeytoe on June 20, 2012 at 8:07 AM

The Obama administration is taking the position that congress does not have the right to subpoena records and investigate.

Monkeytoe on June 20, 2012 at 8:07 AM

Which I think will be a hard sell to the American people. By the logic being used by Obama/Holder, Nixon should never have been required to turn over the tapes.

Wouldn’t it be strange if the media and left has to take the position that Nixon was right and unfairly targeted? That executive privilege covers almost all internal communications?

Monkeytoe on June 20, 2012 at 8:10 AM

“But… but…. but we don’t DO things that way…” says the conventional wisdom. And Alinsky laughs smugly in his grave.

bofh on June 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Given the dedication of his book to Satan, I highly doubt he’s laughing right now. He’s probably crying out in pain and anguish.

MobileVideoEngineer on June 20, 2012 at 8:16 AM

The Obama administration is taking the position that congress does not have the right to subpoena records and investigate.

Monkeytoe on June 20, 2012 at 8:07 AM

Yes and they are about to get spanked for it. Issa and the GOP would not go ahead without some very incriminating documents, already in their possession.

Obama and Holder are forcing this hoping it will make the GOP look bad, but every tactic employed by Zero and his gang of clowns has blown up in their faces. This one will also.

This ain’t Chicago.

dogsoldier on June 20, 2012 at 8:24 AM

Keep stalling, Steadman.

An orange jumpsuit will fit you just fine.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on June 20, 2012 at 8:41 AM

Yes and they are about to get spanked for it. Issa and the GOP would not go ahead without some very incriminating documents, already in their possession.

dogsoldier on June 20, 2012 at 8:24 AM

But, my point is that congress should not need any incriminating evidence to investigate. Congress can investigate just on a whim and the agency is still legally required to comply with the investigation and subpoenas.

Congress is not like a police agency that needs some kind of probable cause to obtain a warrant.

Yes, there can be political repercussions for conducting a baseless witch-hunt investigation – and it is not a good idea for congress to do so, as then it becomes a game of each side endlessly investigating the other side, which is not helpful.

but, regardless, Holder/DOJ do not have the authority to simply ignore a subpoena/investigation they do not like. Making this a constitutional issue – does congress have oversight of executive agencies or not?

And, regardless of that, and even though not basis is required, despite what idiots like Verbulace say, it’s not as if there is no basis for an investigation here. Even if one does not believe anything criminal occurred, there are still tons of questions regarding F&F that congress is well within its authority to pursue.

Congress can decide to investigate what appears to be incompetence/mismanagement just as much as it can what appears to be criminal activity. Thus, congress can decide to investigate FEMA’s response to Hurricane Katrina.

the idea – put forward by leftists – that congress has to prove some wrongdoing before it legitimately has the right to investigate – flies in the face of the rule of law and congress’s oversight responsibilities as to executive agencies.

Monkeytoe on June 20, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Remind me again why Boehner’s worried about this investigation blowing up.

Maybe cuz he’s a weak kneed coward. He knows the repubs are going to keep the house and he likes his job. Don’t want to make any waves or rock the boat. Even if it’s a slam dunk of a case against Holder and the what used to be the DOJ, Boehner’s so used to being a loser, he doesn’t want to try to win anymore. We want to win, now and in Nov.

Kissmygrits on June 20, 2012 at 9:03 AM

I was not wrong.

Holder did promise more documents to stall the vote. And it was last minute. I didn’t expect the ‘drop the investigation’ attempt.

Holder thinks the repubs will back down for political reasons, or he doesn’t care. His contempt for America is quite clear.

TerryW on June 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Open thread for the committee vote?

cmsinaz on June 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM

We need to get rid of Boehner STAT. Nothing bad can happen by holding Holder in contempt. It’s the correct thing to do, so grow a set and do it.

eyedoc on June 20, 2012 at 9:13 AM

There must be something awefully damning in those documents for holder to get charged with contempt rather than hand them over.

I’m becoming convinced they have some massive dirt on boner, considering his latest remarks on this.

Durka-Durka on June 20, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Who cares what anyone thinks, move on with the contempt vote and get the race baiting criminal Holder feet on fire. Enough with the bullshit, arrest him and put him in jail where he belongs.

Brushjumper on June 20, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Just once, I’d like to see a republican tell the so-called mainstream press the following: “You don’t like me. You don’t respect me. You never will. As a result, henceforth, I will cease to grant interviews to you and your cohorts and you will be frozen out of the loop. We’re done here.” Then, walk out and stick with it.

totherightofthem on June 20, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Holder has some real nerve. First, he says he’s given all the documents, now he says, I’ll really, really give you all the documents, but you have to drop the case, even before seeing them (all blacked out pages like the others, no doubt).

Issa has no choice after such brazen admition they are indeed holding documents, otherwise, how can Holder make a deal? Holder just admitted to Issa he is obstructing the investigation.

Schwalbe Me-262 on June 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM

It was obvious that Holder was going to try and intimidate Issa & Co into backing down, without producing anything of value. I’m glad to see that Issa didn’t fall for it and that the vote is proceeding as scheduled. Here’s hoping no wayward repubs cross the aisle and vote against the contempt citation. If they hold fast, even if all votes fall strictly on party lines, Holder’s a*s is grass. It couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

totherightofthem on June 20, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Not buyin’ the pig in a poke, huh?

Oh bother.

mojo on June 20, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Holder is a real piece of work. Unless the House drops the contempt vote, there will be no cooperation from the DoJ in the investigation. Like there’s been cooperation thus far? No one is that dumb, Holder. Those of us who know anything at all about this situation (unfortunately, we’re in the minority, as most Americans don’t know squat about this) know Holder is full of crap. Seriously, if this country votes Obama in again, we deserve our fate, we’re that stupid.

totherightofthem on June 20, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Drudge says Holder is asking Obama for executive privilege on the F&F documents. Let’s see, what are the odds that Obama will decline that request? Anyone?

totherightofthem on June 20, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Dear leader granted the request

Hes got holders back

cmsinaz on June 20, 2012 at 10:04 AM

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