Bloomberg poll: 64% agree with new immigration policy

posted at 10:01 am on June 19, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Will Barack Obama get a bump from taking executive action on immigration policy?  A new poll from Bloomberg doesn’t directly inform on that point, but the change itself gets nearly two-thirds support among likely voters polled.  That, however, comes with a couple of huge caveats:

President Barack Obama is winning the opening round in the battle over immigration, according to a Bloomberg poll released today, putting Republicans on the defensive with his decision to end the deportations of some illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. as children[.]

Sixty-four percent of likely voters surveyed after Obama’s June 15 announcement said they agreed with the policy, while 30 percent said they disagreed. Independents backed the decision by better than a two-to-one margin.

First, the sample document from Bloomberg is conspicuously bare.  Not only does it not include any partisan affiliation data (even though Bloomberg promotes the findings among independents), it doesn’t have any demographic data at all.  It doesn’t list what other questions were asked, the order in which they were asked, nor does it speak to any bump in approval for Obama coming from the change in policy.  As a polling document, it’s useless.

Furthermore, we have other consistent data to check.  For instance, Gallup’s tracking polls would have already shown a significant bump in the rolling averages if this issue really moves the needle as Team Obama hopes.  As of this morning, Obama’s approval in the three-day cycle that included Friday and the two days following the announcement sits at 46/47.  The addition of Sunday’s data added a point to his approval and deducted two from his disapproval, which means Obama got some small bump over the weekend … but hardly a game-changer.  The seven-day rolling average on the head-to-head race went from Romney up over Obama 46/45 to a 46/46 tie.

At Rasmussen, there was even less impact.  The daily tracking poll on head-to-head matchup showed no change at all yesterday after a weekend where the policy change dominated, with Romney still up 47/44 over Obama.  Obama’s approval rating also stayed the same at 46/53 from the day before, which was a drop from Friday’s results of 48/51.  Even the SEIU/Daily Kos poll on the election only shows a small bump upward for Obama among the very Hispanic voters this courted, going from 52/32 to 61/32, a move of only nine points … in June … for the one big gimme Obama can produce for this voting bloc.

The effects of this move will be minimal and short term, I argue in my column for The Week today, mainly because immigration isn’t a big issue with most voters, and this change has only a temporary impact. They fired this gun far too early:

If the next jobs report comes back looking weak, the question of adding so many new workers to the mix will begin to get asked by more and more people. That will trump any benefit Obama gets from the rule change, because people are far more interested in jobs and the economy than in immigration reform. This change only provides Obama with a short-term boost and a short-term distraction from the main focus on this election — and it comes about four months too early to help.

Why not wait for October? By then, Rubio’s efforts might have eclipsed Obama’s opportunity. But then again, given Republican skepticism about approaching normalization policy ahead of border security, the risk seems rather low. Romney adviser John Sununu argued in The Boston Globe that the White House is on the verge of panic over its inability to deal with the economy and Romney, and that panic has now begun to drive Obama’s policy decisions. In this case, it not only drove the decision but also the timing, and stripped Obama of yet another potential game-changer down the stretch of the general election. By October, the economy will have buried this moment along with Obama’s gay-marriage evolution to ancient and only slightly curious factoids of political history.

Charles Krauthammer is correct to praise Romney for bypassing the fight over the immigration policy change:

“This is essentially a punt and I think Romney is wise to do it,” Krauthammer said. “First of all, this isn’t a presidential issue — it’s a congressional issue. This is an almost unprecedented grab of power by the executive from the Congress by essentially saying it’s not going to enforce a law. And I think it’s the Congress that ought to protest, and ought to be offended at the least — including Democrats in Congress — over appropriation of their power by the executive.”

But he also said the battle is a no-win scenario for Romney because it shifts the discussion, and had Romney attempted to take it on in his “Face the Nation” interview on Sunday, it might have backfired.

“But as to the politics of this, for Romney it’s a losing proposition to get in a fight,” Krauthammer said. “There is a clever trap by Obama. It’s a way to lure, first of all, Romney away from talking about the main issue — economics. Any day that Romney is talking about anything other than economics is a day Obama wins.”

As the polls show, the economy is what moves the needle with voters.  The immigration change is just the latest attempt at a distraction, and it’s already falling flat.


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Any questions about the lawlessness of this POTUS in his pandering for votes..?

d1carter on June 19, 2012 at 10:04 AM

No sample data? I’m shocked…

This is a DANGEROUS end run around the Constitution!!

Khun Joe on June 19, 2012 at 10:04 AM

I’m the minority. I don’t care if I’m the last one believes this is wrong.

Oil Can on June 19, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Charles Krauthammer is correct to praise Romney for bypassing the fight over the immigration policy change:

So it occurs to me to ask a question. Suppose Obama announces a total writeoff of all existing student loans made by the government, or some lesser version (for example everyone’s loan is cut in half or something). Or, alternatively, he gets something done that forgives defaults on mortgages.

Will these “Republicans” declare that Romney should support Obama or take a pass on criticizing Obama for student loan forgiveness too/mortgage forgiveness?

Doomberg on June 19, 2012 at 10:07 AM

There is going to be at least one of these Imperial Edicts handed down each month.

Today: Imperial Amnesty by decree

Coming soon:

Imperial Single Payer Healthcare by decree

Imperial Legalization of Marijuana by decree

Imperial Student Loan Forgiveness for Mandatory Servitude in Obamacause of The Emperor’s Choice by decree

And possibly even:

Imperial Election Suspension and Coronation of Emperor Barack Hussein Obama, First Emperor of the Republic by decree

We should start fearing it. It’s no less ILLEGAL than the others!

wildcat72 on June 19, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Update: Rasmussen went from 47/44 Romney to 48/44.

topdog on June 19, 2012 at 10:08 AM

We will see many “polls” favorable to Dear Leader right up to the election…

d1carter on June 19, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Any questions about the lawlessness of this POTUS in his pandering for votes..?

d1carter on June 19, 2012 at 10:04 AM

I doubt many(if any) pollsters will even bother asking that. Sadly, most Dems and left-leaning independents wouldn’t care anyway. They only seem to be concerned with imperial Presidencies when a Republican is in the White House.

Doughboy on June 19, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Lawless executive order vs. legislative law and order. Obama needs lawlessness to advance his agenda; he’s proven that.

Weight of Glory on June 19, 2012 at 10:09 AM

…I don’t believe the poll! Lying is so acceptable (see…current administration)…that I don’t believe anything anymore!

KOOLAID2 on June 19, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Tracking data would be useless on this issue. The point is to stuff the ballot box by bribing illegal immigrants to go vote illegally for Obama.

It is the only way he can win.

doufree on June 19, 2012 at 10:12 AM

64% – of liberal obama voters (and Marco Rubio) – agree with new immigration policy.

Pork-Chop on June 19, 2012 at 10:12 AM

For English, press 9

Bevan on June 19, 2012 at 10:12 AM

I bet that number among non-Cuban Latinos is enormously high, looks like the political gambit has paid off.

libfreeordie on June 19, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Don’t be obtuse. The point is to goose enthusiasm among Latino voters. I forget which poll I saw yesterday that has a +11 net bump for Obama with Latino voters. When Romney refuses to say he would extend the policy, and Obama points that out, he will have solidified a voting bloc in which Republicans desperately need to make inroads. A one-day bump on a Rasumssen tracker is not what Obama was looking for here.

cjw79 on June 19, 2012 at 10:13 AM

So it occurs to me to ask a question. Suppose Obama announces a total writeoff of all existing student loans made by the government, or some lesser version (for example everyone’s loan is cut in half or something). Or, alternatively, he gets something done that forgives defaults on mortgages.

Will these “Republicans” declare that Romney should support Obama or take a pass on criticizing Obama for student loan forgiveness too/mortgage forgiveness?

Doomberg on June 19, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Bingo. It’s rationalization based on the knowledge that Romney is weak on every issue except the economy. And even then he doesn’t offer much in the way of specifics, just “trust me, I made a lot of money”.

ddrintn on June 19, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Secure the borders and then we will talk.

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2012 at 10:13 AM

The unintended consequences will define this bump for Obama. And there’s plenty of time between now and November for them to develop.

It won’t be a bump, it’ll be a sand trap.

Curtiss on June 19, 2012 at 10:14 AM

So it occurs to me to ask a question. Suppose Obama announces a total writeoff of all existing student loans made by the government, or some lesser version (for example everyone’s loan is cut in half or something). Or, alternatively, he gets something done that forgives defaults on mortgages.

Will these “Republicans” declare that Romney should support Obama or take a pass on criticizing Obama for student loan forgiveness too/mortgage forgiveness?

Doomberg on June 19, 2012 at 10:07 AM

I still can’t imagine Obama going there, no matter how badly he’s doing in the polls. To forgive student loans or mortgages(which in reality means forcing taxpayers to pick up the tab) would lead to a backlash that’ll make the anti-TARP crowd look like a tea party. And I mean the kind where people actually drink tea.

Doughboy on June 19, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Both parties’ immigration policy amounts to trying to bail out a flooding basement before trying to stop the source of the flooding.

We need a secure border and we need to fix our antiquated immigration policies. There’s no reason we can’t get more people here legally.

This measure is something I could support (with a few tweaks) if it were part of a larger immigration fix. On its own, it’s nothing more than a pander.

Ptui.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 10:16 AM

We will see many “polls” favorable to Dear Leader right up to the election…

d1carter on June 19, 2012 at 10:08 AM

And every 5-year plan in the Soviet Union was an unqualified success, North Koreans are thriving under the Kims, and there are no homosexuals in Iran. Repeated propaganda happens because it tends to become “truth.” I can’t tell you how many times this past week I’ve heard some leftie talk about the 4M jobs Obama created. Nevermind Obama has job growth is negative, the narrative is all about this one lie.

Happy Nomad on June 19, 2012 at 10:16 AM

@Doomberg:

“Will these “Republicans” declare that Romney should support Obama or take a pass on criticizing Obama for student loan forgiveness too/mortgage forgiveness?”

Probably not, as there is a pretty direct and easy linkage to be made between either of the ‘forgiveness’ events you discuss with our cratering economy.

With the extra-constitutional immigration pander, earflaps was able to hide behind the standard lefty “it’s for the chil’ren” defense. When goofing with debt forgiveness, he can’t do that.

My two cents, anyway.

GrassMudHorsey on June 19, 2012 at 10:16 AM

…any of those folks polled who are unemployed and support the dictate, may you continue to suffocate under your own blanket of stupidity…

hillsoftx on June 19, 2012 at 10:16 AM

I still can’t imagine Obama going there, no matter how badly he’s doing in the polls. To forgive student loans or mortgages(which in reality means forcing taxpayers to pick up the tab) would lead to a backlash that’ll make the anti-TARP crowd look like a tea party. And I mean the kind where people actually drink tea.

Doughboy on June 19, 2012 at 10:15 AM

He would have to get Congress to agree to appropriate the money, too, which isn’t going to happen. That’s a lot more complicated than the end-around Obama pulled on immigration.

Ed Morrissey on June 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Both parties’ immigration policy amounts to trying to bail out a flooding basement before trying to stop the source of the flooding.

We need a secure border and we need to fix our antiquated immigration policies. There’s no reason we can’t get more people here legally.

This measure is something I could support (with a few tweaks) if it were part of a larger immigration fix. On its own, it’s nothing more than a pander.

Ptui.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Legally vetting all immigrants to this country=racism

Unconditional surrender to Obama and LaRaza’s philosophy about
America’s sovereignty=virtue

/the punks supporting this on HA.

ebrown2 on June 19, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Heh

This is just like the gay marriage issue…the lsm touts these polls supporting it however when it comes down to voting it gets axed

cmsinaz on June 19, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Any “polls” out yet questioning the need for an election in November..?

d1carter on June 19, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Any questions about the lawlessness of this POTUS in his pandering for votes..?

d1carter on June 19, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Yes, of those who agree with the policy, what % oppose it because of the lawless, unConstitutional way it is being implemented.

petefrt on June 19, 2012 at 10:21 AM

This is a DANGEROUS end run around the Constitution!!

Khun Joe on June 19, 2012 at 10:04 AM

The GOP has been very helpful in NOT communicating this dire message. We’re so screwed.

Mr. Arrogant on June 19, 2012 at 10:22 AM

“This is essentially a punt and I think Romney is wise to do it,” Krauthammer said.

The thing is, how do you score a touchdown when you’re continually punting?

ddrintn on June 19, 2012 at 10:23 AM

We will see many “polls” favorable to Dear Leader right up to the election…

d1carter on June 19, 2012 at 10:08 AM

And every 5-year plan in the Soviet Union was an unqualified success, North Koreans are thriving under the Kims, and there are no homosexuals in Iran. Repeated propaganda happens because it tends to become “truth.” I can’t tell you how many times this past week I’ve heard some leftie talk about the 4M jobs Obama created. Nevermind Obama has job growth is negative, the narrative is all about this one lie.

Happy Nomad on June 19, 2012 at 10:16 AM

65.5% of the country supported Oliar at one point (Feb 15-17, 2009, to be precise), so this is just as intellectually and morally persuasive as any ad populum fallacy can be.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#polls

ebrown2 on June 19, 2012 at 10:24 AM

64% agree that we need a King George…
and a no representational government…

Electrongod on June 19, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Panderer in chief
fail

cmsinaz on June 19, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Update: Rasmussen went from 47/44 Romney to 48/44.

topdog on June 19, 2012 at 10:08 AM

So the bump from this is in Romney’s direction. Nice. Looks like not taking Barack’s cheap bait paid off.

Rational Thought on June 19, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Rep. David Schweikert (R-Ariz.) on Monday proposed legislation that would block enforcement of President Obama’s new policy of letting certain illegal immigrants request temporary relief from deportation.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/233431-gop-proposes-bill-blocking-enforcement-of-obamas-immigration-policy

We’ll see who supports and who does not.
popcorn

Mr. Arrogant on June 19, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Sean Trende says today:

Now, some may say that the DREAM Act polls well, and this is true. Remember, however, that the parties never campaign on the other side’s best frame of their policies, or even the most accurate frame. “Voluntary individual Social Security accounts for the young” polls fairly well, which is exactly why Democrats run against “Social Security privatization.” Similarly, Republicans won’t run against “stopping deportations of young Latinos brought to this country by their parents.” They’ll run against “amnesty,” which is radioactive with the white working class.

Uncledave on June 19, 2012 at 10:29 AM

As the polls show, the economy is what moves the needle bounces the cat with voters.

we just have to stay consistent, Ed. In a few days, the drunken kitty may have to make a cameo?

/predictions.

ted c on June 19, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Not buyin’ it. All the most recent public opinion polls that I found would seem to suggest otherwise. The new edict out of the WH is going to be a loser.

lynncgb on June 19, 2012 at 10:30 AM

There’s a new immigration policy? When did it pass Congress?

forest on June 19, 2012 at 10:30 AM

OT: Good grief, Barack CHEWS GUM throughout his meeting with the G20 world leaders. What a national embarrassment this guy is. Imagine if a Republican president was so trashy. We’d never hear the end of it.

Rational Thought on June 19, 2012 at 10:33 AM

SEIU/Daily Kos poll

The John Birch Society/Hot Gas poll numbers were diametrically opposite.

CorporatePiggy on June 19, 2012 at 10:33 AM

@cjw79: Yes, the WH is locking up a key constituency early; it doesn’t want that fish to get away. Romney’s reticence is just as well as he has no idea how to hook it himself.

Seth Halpern on June 19, 2012 at 10:35 AM

I say this is gonna change more than a few minds……… In Rmoney™ ‘s favor. There is a large group of ppl who don’t and won’t get polled, they are the largest voting block in America. As I speak to ppl in Ohio, except the the ppl on the teet and the blacks, ppl are wising up to the BS……

angrymike on June 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Seems to me Romney could have a made this into an economic issue….just like that Buzzfeed reporter

ChrisL on June 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM

There’s no reason we can’t get more people here legally.

Red Cloud on June 19, 2012 at 10:16 AM

How many people do we get here now legally?

DFCtomm on June 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Opening up our borders is one of Mike Bloomberg’s most passionate issues. He wants the feds to make cities acept immigrants legal or illegal. Even though he’s not supposed to be in authority with Bloomberg news does anyone think he’s not behind these results and how they were attained?

xkaydet65 on June 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Rational thought semd to Ed for OOTD

cmsinaz on June 19, 2012 at 10:37 AM

I am glad Barack is so far not getting bump in the polls.

I live in Richland, Wa, and I wanted a job where I worked in the library and I could not get that job because I did not speak Spanish. Here in the Tri-cities, there is a lot of Mexicans, who do not speak English. To get a job in a Bank or in a library or several other places, YOU HAVE TO LEARN Spanish.

That is why I dislike what Barack did on Friday.

BroncosRock on June 19, 2012 at 10:38 AM

First, the sample document from Bloomberg is conspicuously bare.

Making the poll worthless other than as propaganda.

farsighted on June 19, 2012 at 10:39 AM

In Rmoney™ ‘s favor.

heh++

ted c on June 19, 2012 at 10:39 AM

I would assume most people who agree with the policy (such as myself) abhor the thought of the Executive Branch selectively enforcing federal law.

Congress needs to get their act together and start working on tightening up all this lazy legislation where they’ve given the Executive Branch so much latitude.

They could easily amend immigration laws to account for individual states having a distinct and finely detailed role in enforcing immigration policy within their borders. That way it would take away some of the problems we’re seeing right now.

ButterflyDragon on June 19, 2012 at 10:41 AM

I’m the minority. I don’t care if I’m the last one believes this is wrong.

Oil Can on June 19, 2012 at 10:06 AM

I’m standing with you. So now there are two of us !

stenwin77 on June 19, 2012 at 10:43 AM

OT: Good grief, Barack CHEWS GUM throughout his meeting with the G20 world leaders. What a national embarrassment this guy is. Imagine if a Republican president was so trashy. We’d never hear the end of it.

Rational Thought on June 19, 2012 at 10:33 AM

It must have been a NO SMOKING affair.

AubieJon on June 19, 2012 at 10:44 AM

The gambit will be an electoral wash: gaining in Colorado, Nevada, Florida, and New Mexico while losing in New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Ohio, Iowa, and possibly Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Archivarix on June 19, 2012 at 10:44 AM

This poll is BS!

stenwin77 on June 19, 2012 at 10:45 AM

New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Ohio, Iowa, and possibly Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Which is precisely why its smart politics. Obama’s going to lose Ohio either way, but this move will not kill him in NH, WI, IA MI or PA. Remember, if he wins those states by 5 instead of 10 points the electoral votes are the same. The southwest being locked up plus those states – Ohio AND Florida = Obama second term.

libfreeordie on June 19, 2012 at 10:46 AM

The devil is in the details, as Mickey Kaus cites this report:

The maddening details of Obama’s DREAM Decree are becoming clearer. As this CIS report notes, 1) The decree doesn’t just apply to illegal immigrants who were “brought to this country by their parents.” It also would give work permits to those who snuck across the border by themselves as teenagers. “Through no fault of their own” is a talking point for DREAM proselytizers, not an actual legal requirement. 2) The same goes for the phrase “and know only this country as home.” That’s a highly imaginative riff on the decree’s actual requirement, which is for 5 years “continuous residence.” It turns out “continuous residence” doesn’t mean what you think it means. “Immigration attorneys have been successful in getting immigration courts to whittle this down to a point where it is almost meaningless,” says CIS’s Jon Feere. As an illegal immigrant you can go back homeabroad for multiple 6-month stints during those five years–but, if precedent holds, in Janet Napolitano’s eyes you will still “know only this country as home.” …

Drained Brain on June 19, 2012 at 10:51 AM

The southwest being locked up plus those states – Ohio AND Florida = Obama second term.

libfreeordie on June 19, 2012 at 10:46 AM

I bet you lie in bed at night clapping your hands as hard as you can to make sure Tinkerbell doesn’t die, huh?

ButterflyDragon on June 19, 2012 at 10:52 AM

First, the sample document from Bloomberg is conspicuously bare.  Not only does it not include any partisan affiliation data (even though Bloomberg promotes the findings among independents), it doesn’t have any demographic data at all.  It doesn’t list what other questions were asked, the order in which they were asked, nor does it speak to any bump in approval for Obama coming from the change in policy.  As a polling document, it’s useless.

Its conspicuous absence tells you all you need to know.

OhioCoastie on June 19, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Dead cat bounce picture in short order?

cmsinaz on June 19, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Anybody have a clue who will be most impacted by 800,000 new workers eagerly looking for a job in this economy?

DanMan on June 19, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Oh give me a break. That poll is BS, which is why all background data on the poll is hidden.

Unfortunately, the spineless RINO’s that run the party will see this rigged poll as confirmation that Republicans must get in on this amnesty effort so we can get some of those votes. Hey RINO’s, ask John McCain how that worked out for him.

Alabama Infidel on June 19, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Drained brain

Spot on….high on rhetoric and low on process
FAIL

cmsinaz on June 19, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Another poll that tries to make news instead of track current events. And sadly many simply believe it without a second glance.

democratsarefools on June 19, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Id hardly call 64% approval falling flat. Dissapointing that theres that many idiots in the country though.

Dragoro on June 19, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Oh give me a break. That poll is BS, which is why all background data on the poll is hidden.

Unfortunately, the spineless RINO’s that run the party will see this rigged poll as confirmation that Republicans must get in on this amnesty effort so we can get some of those votes. Hey RINO’s, ask John McCain how that worked out for him.

Alabama Infidel on June 19, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Miserably, ESPECIALLY with “hispanics.”

ebrown2 on June 19, 2012 at 10:57 AM

I agree with Ed and Krauthammer on this. This was a clever move on Obama’s part with little downside for him. Krauthammer makes clear in his column that he believes this assumption of dictatorial powers by Obama is unconstitutional and outrageous.

Don’t be obtuse. The point is to goose enthusiasm among Latino voters… A one-day bump on a Rasumssen tracker is not what Obama was looking for here.

cjw79 on June 19, 2012 at 10:13 AM

True enough, but a good bonus for Obama would have been for Romney to make a squawk about this in a way that caused him to look mean and narrow. He dodged a bullet.

…I don’t believe the poll! Lying is so acceptable (see…current administration)…that I don’t believe anything anymore!

KOOLAID2 on June 19, 2012 at 10:10 AM

You have more faith in the average citizen than I do. At this point, there’s only one small group in our country who still believe in the sacredness of Constitutional process: Tea Partiers. The great majority either want to wreck the Constitution (liberals) or ignore it when it’s inconvenient (middle squishes).

Burke on June 19, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Which is precisely why its smart politics. Obama’s going to lose Ohio either way, but this move will not kill him in NH, WI, IA MI or PA. Remember, if he wins those states by 5 instead of 10 points the electoral votes are the same. The southwest being locked up plus those states – Ohio AND Florida = Obama second term.

libfreeordie on June 19, 2012 at 10:46 AM

I don’t see Ogabe winning Iowa or Ohio this time, and New Hampshire with its racist to the bone mostly white population isn’t a deadlock for him, either. As for Wisconsin, it’ll have Voter ID law by November disenfranchising a lot of minorities dead voters, so the result will be fairly unpredictable.

Of the states on the other side of Mason-Dixon, I see New Mexico as a goner anyway. Nevada has such a massive record of voting fraud that it’s likely a lost case, anyway. Colorado may actually swing blue. Florida, however, is predominantly Cuban, not Mexican or Puerto-Rican – with Rubio stumping for Mitt, I can practically see red from my house.

So, as I say, electors-wise, the move is pretty much a wash. However, being such a blatantly unconstitutional act in direct violation of the Presidential oath, it may adds a few kilovolts to Ogabe’s chair when he is prosecuted.

Archivarix on June 19, 2012 at 10:58 AM

As the polls show, the economy is what moves the needle with voters.

Exactly!

GarandFan on June 19, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Update: Rasmussen went from 47/44 Romney to 48/44.

topdog on June 19, 2012 at 10:08 AM

I don’t trust any polls right now. You can trust them more the closer it gets to the election and the more the pollsters’ professional reputations are at stake. Right now it’s gamesmanship on both sides. PPP will come out with a poll putting Obama up by 5 nationally; to counteract this Rasmussen will come out with a poll putting Romney up by a similar number.

ddrintn on June 19, 2012 at 10:59 AM

^ By the way, I think the truth is that probably only about 30% or so support Obama on immigration policy. You can’t tell me there was such widespread support for the Arizona law and then tell me that those numbers have been reversed in a matter of a few months. Polls can be created to frame and confirm WHATEVER narrative you want. We’re told that a majority supports gay marriage, so you don’t want to be left off the bandwagon and be an oddball, do ya? Polls showed that Romney is the most electable. The numbers don’t lie, rubes. And on and on and on.

ddrintn on June 19, 2012 at 11:05 AM

I don’t see Ogabe winning Iowa or Ohio this time,

Archivarix on June 19, 2012 at 10:58 AM

I do. The Dems still have a comparatively awesome GOTV machine. The Republicans just don’t. Right now it’s a good time for Romney, but realities are still going to be realities in November, becoming especially apparent after Labor Day.

ddrintn on June 19, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Secure the borders and then we will talk.

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Yep

gophergirl on June 19, 2012 at 11:12 AM

You’d think that encouraging foreign workers to stay while we have 8+% unemployment would be political suicide.

Akzed on June 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM

^ By the way, I think the truth is that probably only about 30% or so support Obama on immigration policy. You can’t tell me there was such widespread support for the Arizona law and then tell me that those numbers have been reversed in a matter of a few months. Polls can be created to frame and confirm WHATEVER narrative you want. We’re told that a majority supports gay marriage, so you don’t want to be left off the bandwagon and be an oddball, do ya? Polls showed that Romney is the most electable. The numbers don’t lie, rubes. And on and on and on.

ddrintn on June 19, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Where in the world do you get 30% from?

cjw79 on June 19, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Such polls are meaningless when those polled have not yet heard the other side.

mdavt on June 19, 2012 at 11:16 AM

The Dems still have a comparatively awesome GOTV machine.

ddrintn on June 19, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Sorry, but the 2010 midterms showed the GOTV efforts by conservatives and it was just as impressive as the Democrats.

Wisconsin also just showed us how formidable Republican’s GOTV programs have become.

Conservatives used to keep to themselves and live their lives. It was part of that whole “personal responsibility” and “live and let live” attitude conservatives hold. But the last 4 years has helped awaken an impressive collective effort by conservatives on how to work together to defeat liberalism.

I think 2010 is going to look like child’s play compared to 2012. Obama will be crushed at the voting booth.

ButterflyDragon on June 19, 2012 at 11:27 AM

“This poll is BS!”

Totally agree. No data, no credibility.

ncjetsfan on June 19, 2012 at 11:28 AM

The southwest being locked up plus those states – Ohio AND Florida = Obama second term.

libfreeordie on June 19, 2012 at 10:46 AM

You’re ok with the executive branch deciding which laws they’ll enforce, and handing out work visas to the entire third world, that’s 30 or under, during the worst economic conditions since the great depression? All to simply win an election?

DFCtomm on June 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Any questions about the lawlessness of this POTUS in his pandering for votes..?

Emmm, uh yes. Uh when has he uh not been uh this way?

katablog.com on June 19, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Rasmussen reports that:

71% Favor Work Permits for Young Illegal Immigrants in Certain Circumstances

But then he too makes the leap and writes:

Most voters don’t think the government is aggressive enough in deporting illegal immigrants but agree with President Obama’s decision to allow young people brought here illegally who meet certain criteria to avoid deportation.

Yet Rasmussen didn’t ask people if they “agree with Obama’s decision.”

The actual questions asked are:

1* How closely have you followed recent news reports about President Obama’s new immigration policy?

2* Is the federal government making too much of an effort to identify and deport illegal immigrants in this country, not enough of an effort, or about the right amount of effort?

3* If adults enter the United States illegally, but don’t break any other laws, should they be considered as lawbreakers?

4* If young people are brought here illegally by their parents, should they be considered as lawbreakers?

5* Suppose someone was brought to the country illegally when they were under 16. If they have no criminal record, have graduated from high school or have served in the military, should they be allowed to apply for work permits or should they be deported?

One could answer NO to 4 and 5 and still highly disapprove of what Obama did.

Drained Brain on June 19, 2012 at 11:45 AM

This “poll” is unmitigated bullsh!t. The push for amnesty is what killed the GOP in 2006 and 2008 and, on the left, ended Shrillary’s primary run when she supported Spitzer’s licenses for illegals (along with taking SPitzer’s own approval rating from 70%+ to 40%- in a matter of weeks).

This is more weak tea and lies from the company owned by Herr Napoleon Soda, the idiot. These fools still think that they can propagandize their anti-American views to the public and force something on America that has been rejected over and over. The elitists are, yet again, dead wrong. It’s amazing, being so wrong so often, that these fools still think themselves elites.

THey are all going to keep pushing until we arrive at dissolution. That seems to be the end game they are looking for. WHat they seem to not understand at all is that with the dissolution of the US, so goes their governmental immunity – in all respects.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 19, 2012 at 11:45 AM

When we start saying, “I agree with that policy,” without considering that it was a Presidential edict worthy of any two-bit dictator, then we have gone down the wrong path.

Remember, the power to give is the power to take away. To say the President has far too much power is to understate the case. Let’s let Congress pass the laws and demand that the President enforce all of them, instead of the present system through which Congress passes the laws and the President enforces only those that he likes.

Mdirmeie on June 19, 2012 at 11:47 AM

I don’t care if I’m the last one believes this is wrong.

Oil Can on June 19, 2012 at 10:06 AM

At some point you have to concede that this is the definition of insanity.

John the Libertarian on June 19, 2012 at 11:49 AM

“But as to the politics of this, for Romney it’s a losing proposition to get in a fight,” Krauthammer said. “There is a clever trap by Obama. It’s a way to lure, first of all, Romney away from talking about the main issue — economics. Any day that Romney is talking about anything other than economics is a day Obama wins.”

This is an economic issue and Romney should clearly and concisely point this out (other than it sounds like Romney also favors attempting to legalize illegals).

1. The age group assures additional competition for legal American citizens just entering the job market and beginning their careers. This group is already suffering greatly from the dying job market.

2. Once illegals are accepted as “legalized” we will hear the argument that we also can’t deport their families because we can’t split up family units (weep weep), separating children from their parents (weep, weep). And before you know it, we have blanket amnesty, followed by the next groups of illegals entering the country and waiting for yet another amnesty.

katablog.com on June 19, 2012 at 11:52 AM

This “poll” is unmitigated bullsh!t. The push for amnesty is what killed the GOP in 2006 and 2008 and, on the left, ended Shrillary’s primary run when she supported Spitzer’s licenses for illegals (along with taking SPitzer’s own approval rating from 70%+ to 40%- in a matter of weeks).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 19, 2012 at 11:45 AM

The problem is that some fanatics are completely unable to understand that a large majority of Americans reject a sweeping, comprehensive, amnesty, that rewards those who make the decision of crossing the border illegally as much as the reject the idea that none of them should be allowed to remain in US soil legally.

joana on June 19, 2012 at 11:53 AM

What Policy ?

How many pages is that Policy, I’d like to read it to see if I’m part of the 64%.

Geez, how would the “bureaucracy” know that they are looking at an undocumented 32 yr. old, claiming to be 27 and in the country for 12 years ?

There is no policy, only smoke.

JayTee on June 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM

And I think it’s the Congress that ought to protest, and ought to be offended at the least — including Democrats in Congress — over appropriation of their power by the executive.”

Good luck with that.

64% agree with new immigration policy

IOW, 64% watch the alphabet news.

davidk on June 19, 2012 at 12:03 PM

How many people support new policy but don’t support bypassing congress? How many see this new policy as pandering. How many think Obama should be focusing on the economy instead of immigration. Just because people support the new policies doesn’t mean they support what Obama did.

midgeorgian on June 19, 2012 at 12:06 PM

How many people support new policy but don’t support bypassing congress? How many see this new policy as pandering? How many think Obama should be focusing on the economy instead of immigration? Just because people support the new policies doesn’t mean they support what Obama did.

midgeorgian on June 19, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Fixed

midgeorgian on June 19, 2012 at 12:07 PM

but the change itself gets nearly two-thirds support among likely voters polled. That, however, comes with a couple of huge caveats:

That they only polled democrats and people who watch DWTS?

kim roy on June 19, 2012 at 12:09 PM

When most people see this they think about Hispanics, but that isn’t where the problem is. Hispanic immigration to the US is in decline, it is Asian immigration that is increasing, particularly from China and India. Are Obama’s policies to extend to only Hispanic illegals or all illegals? This is less and less a Hispanic issue and more an issue of every other ethnicity on the darned planet:

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/06/19/new-asian-immigrants-to-us-now-surpass-hispanics/

Asian immigration has now surpassed Hispanic immigration.

crosspatch on June 19, 2012 at 12:12 PM

This election is about the economy and jobs, and Obama has failed miserably at both.

jqc1970 on June 19, 2012 at 12:15 PM

ButterflyDragon on June 19, 2012 at 10:41 AM

I posted the other night on this meme. I taught in low socio-economic school districts in S. California for 25 years. I averaged about 15 Hispanic’s per class (5 classes a day) over that period. On average 12 of the 15 were illegals. Of those 12 on average 1 were excellent students who would deserve having their cases looked at for hardship entry in the US. The other 11 were those that would talk up Mexico, march in protests waving the Mexican flag and complain about how sh*tty the US was. So I don’t support a blanket policy that would include all children brought across the border illegally. The majority I taught need to be sent back to Mexico so they can enjoy country they thought so highly. If they then decide it isn’t so great they can get in line like the rest of the world and apply to come here legally. Just my 2 cents worth based on my limited experience.

chemman on June 19, 2012 at 12:35 PM

The new directive is done already. Unless Obama gets bigger presidential poll bumps in CO, NV, and maybe FL (not likely at all), there won’t be a single new work permit issued to an illegal immigrant. Well, maybe one. Highly publicized in late October.

de rigueur on June 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM

It is a very nice and generous policy. In that respect, I agree with it.

Too bad the way Obama enacted it violates the constitution, and shows that Obama is a vicious liar, having taken an oath of office to uphold and defend the constitution.

The Rogue Tomato on June 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM

John the Libertarian on June 19, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Why would having a well defined sense of right and wrong be considered insanity? 50% + 1 may indeed be a majority and be a consensus position but it can often lead to tyranny also.

chemman on June 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM

I should add that the timing of it is all wrong. This is one reason why such matters should be settled by congress.

The Rogue Tomato on June 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Remember, Annie C has the Gallup data that increasing immigration is a loser, so this alleged poll is complete BS

joeindc44 on June 19, 2012 at 12:47 PM

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