Will: The party that produced four Bush nominations in 20 years is hardly “extreme”
posted at 11:21 am on June 18, 2012 by Ed Morrissey
Let’s play a game that we used to play in school, and lay out a series of data points to see if anyone can guess what they have in common. Ready? Here we go:
- Bush, Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush, McCain, Romney
What’s the answer? As George Will insisted yesterday on ABC’s This Week, it sure isn’t extremism, despite what Jeb Bush thinks:
“Well, let’s look at the facts,” Will said. “Since Ronald Reagan, the Republican Party has given its presidential nomination four times to the Bush family. Other times, to Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Romney — where’s the extremist in that lot? Now, Jeb Bush’s father is celebrated today for a statesman ship that consisted of breaking the promise to the American people of not raising taxes. He had a budget deal in 1990, Austan [Goolsbee] because this goes back to something you said earlier. In the budget deal it was said for every $2 of — every dollar of tax increase, would be $2 of spending cuts. The tax increases went into effect and spending increased.”
Will added that it is popular for observers to romanticize politicians like Reagan, along with conservative commentator William Buckley and 1964 presidential nominee Barry Goldwater, after the fact.
“We’re going through this — we go through this all the time,” he continued. “About 20 years after a conservative leaves the scene or dies, he becomes acceptable. They said, ‘If only people were more like Ronald Reagan, that wonderful libertarian curmudgeon Barry Goldwater and that fine fellow Bill Buckley.’ I worked for Bill Buckley, voted for Barry Goldwater, knew Ronald Reagan and no one talked about him on the left that way at the time.”
For that matter, take a look at the main contenders in the Republican primary this year, once the voting started. The race came down to Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum. All of these men had good qualities and shortcomings, but none of them are known for their extremist bent, no matter what the hyperventilating media might have said at the time. All four represented the same mainstreams in Republican politics that existed when Reagan was President, and have ever since.
It seems especially churlish to hear this kind of complaint coming from former Governor Jeb Bush after watching his father and brother rack up more than half of the GOP’s presidential nominations in the last 30 years. Will does a nice job with Bush’s hanging curve and knocks it out of the park.
On the same show, Tim Pawlenty argues that the real problem is the “arsonist” of bipartisanship in the White House at the moment. Gore, Kerry, Obama, Obama. And Jeb’s griping about extremism in the GOP?
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I’m not so sure about that. If Iraq blossoms, then he is a hero. If it implodes, not so much. At least he projected strength.
John the Libertarian on April 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM
Lost In America – Cooper
thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM
Yes, they are. And Jeb makes Gringo Jorge look like Sheriff Joe in AZ by comparison.
I’ve held my nose too many times. There’s no way I could ever vote for him. If Jeb is the smart one, why in the world did they run the two dumb ones first?
bw222 on April 24, 2013 at 11:53 PM
Let’s satisfy the Leftist Democrats in 2002, who were against the Iraq thing. Let’s imagine it never happened.
If any are still here, can you please tell us how Iraq would be so much better today with Saddy and his 2 Bomb Sons being The Adults Are In Charge?
(Starts Sundial)
Del Dolemonte on April 24, 2013 at 11:54 PM
And How Many Times did you VOTE for Obama? Twice – because you didn’t vote for McCain or Rommney. Pretty sure you actually voted FOR Obama directly.
This is the most heinous and biggest pile of Liberal BS OUT There!
BOOOOOSH did NOT “CREATE” Obama – The MEDIA DID – and American FELL for it
williamg on April 24, 2013 at 11:55 PM
Obama’s and GWB’s America
It ends here.
NO more Bushs, Clintons, Obamas, Kennedys, and other scumbag/scumhags.
Beats the Beluga comments!
Schadenfreude on April 24, 2013 at 11:55 PM
True and the multi-kulti leftists here had better take a good, long look at the faces of those rioting in the streets in France over SSM.
Hint: It’s not evangelical Christians. It’s their political partners.
As I have longed warned, nature abhors a vacuum and – to paraphrase Leon Trotsky – while secularists may have no interest in Radical Islam, Radical Islam has an interest in them and their idea of a secular society. It’s not immigrants that are radicalised in Europe, for the most part. It is first- and second-generations.
Resist We Much on April 24, 2013 at 11:56 PM
I miss Bush for the sheer fact that he was and appears to continue to be interesting to listen to — nice voice, somewhat intriguing tone and attitude even when he’s objectionable, irreverent or bordering on it when issue is clearly ridiculous and more — but his idea that Jeb Bush would “make a great President” and “should run” is awful: we do not need ANY more Progressive Repubs. Not one more, no, no more, stop the madness (and that includes Jeb’s alternative, Rubio).
I cannot begin to express just how disgusting I find Obama, by comparison, as public figure alleging to lead the nation. His mere presence, the sound of his voice, just disgusting, it’s nearly sickness-inducing (thus, I long ago stopped listening to his speeches after the first few sentences). Obama’s “countenance” is alarming, it’s like some black (not really a pun) presence that there’s no real reason to tolerate so you just close the door or turn on the porch light or drive away or similar, that’s my reaction to so much as a moment of Obama.
Compared to Bush, Bush is a lively, genuine relief even when I disagree with some of his deeds and his threshed-out legacy of being a Progressive (as were his Cabinet members). By comparison with Obama, Bush is a huge relief of common sense, despite his sense not being what I can support when examined by itself as to the political sway of what he’s about (he’s too Liberal for me to agree with without reservation).
Lourdes on April 24, 2013 at 11:57 PM
https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/327255133643739136
ITguy on April 24, 2013 at 11:57 PM
I thought I would give folks a second chance to read this.
KCB on April 24, 2013 at 11:59 PM
Thanks for the stats!! Nothing like facts. Everytime I see the gas prices now, I recall those years:-)
bluefox on April 24, 2013 at 11:59 PM
Yeah, if we could only get the sheeple to understand.
KCB on April 25, 2013 at 12:01 AM
Clarification:
Hint: It’s not evangelical Christians. It’s THE MULTI-KULTI LEFTISTS’ usual political partners.
Resist We Much on April 25, 2013 at 12:01 AM
Well said. Good evening, RWM. Wonderful to see you. :)
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:03 AM
Sorry, have to back up Mssr. Eaton on this one. Stimulus, TARP, the surveillance state (and the elimination of 4th amendment protections), federal intervention in education…
Our current Executive couldn’t have gotten away with much of that which he has absent his predecessor’s policies.
wolfsDad on April 25, 2013 at 12:03 AM
That’s about what I feel about GW: there’s a genuine aspect to his love of this nation, it’s not questionable despite his solutions not always being what I’d want — his love and dedication to the USA seems unshakable and I admire him for that more than anything else.
With Bush in the Presidency, I never doubted that someone *was there* who’d not hesitate to not bow down.
Obama, not at all that feeling. If anything, the feeling with Obama in the Presidency is that the nation is at great risk, 24/7, it’s like having a snake loose in the house.
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:03 AM
By the way… for those interested… and suffering… Firefox Flashblock does wonders. Don’t want to hear it? Flashblock will do that. Want to hear it or see it?Just click on it. :)
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:04 AM
Thx. Good to see you, too. Same to Ken, Schad, Lourdes, Del, JL, bluefox, wolf’s dad and everyone else.
Resist We Much on April 25, 2013 at 12:05 AM
Evening Jackie :)
Today a commenter, in the HA headlines, submitted a correction to the origins of the Lincoln quote. I appreciated it and said I’d convey to you.
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 12:07 AM
We’re going to have a big challenge contending with the Leftmedia’s inevitable campaign to rework Obama’s legacy into something decent — if not “grand” in their hyperbole — after Obama’s out of office. They’ll inevitably take that colloquialism, “absence makes the heart grow fonder,” and amp it up into another fevered pitch that’ll be jammed and rammed through public discourse for years after O’s out of office.
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:07 AM
I used to get so angry with him, LOL. I agree with his wanting to do what was right, but like you say, he trusted the wrong people.
bluefox on April 25, 2013 at 12:08 AM
Resist We Much on April 25, 2013 at 12:05 AM
Hi Sophie – noted this a.m. that you signed off with hugs and kisses and Axe never repoofed :) We’ll tease him tonight, no doubt :)
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 12:08 AM
The Thrill Is Gone – BBKing
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:08 AM
Conventional wisdom says that Conservatives stubbornly cling to their guns and Bibles, but I maintain that the Sheeple will cling to Government. With that, the Leftist media and the psychological marketing (ops) that the Dems have learned to use effectively, I doubt we’ll see a real Conservative in the White House any time soon…partly because they’re aren’t any real Conservatives out there who can run and win even the GOP primaries.
Dr. ZhivBlago on April 25, 2013 at 12:10 AM
DITTO.
It’s time to put the Jeb-Rove-Rubio-Norquist-Progressive-GOP into retirement. They’re ruining what remaining optimism there is for a GOP Presidency and resurging majority among the Right. Of course, that could be among their motives, but it’s time to give them the “no” stare.
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:10 AM
News2Use on April 25, 2013 at 12:11 AM
Oh dear. I forgot to add the disclaimer: Axeman smelling salts sold separately.
lol
Resist We Much on April 25, 2013 at 12:12 AM
Not to mention Colin Powell, “the perfumed general.”
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:12 AM
I’m not at all sure that Axefellow will be here this evening, Schadenfreude. He left with a message to tell people that he was very late on/for something and had a lot of work to do toward it and that he wouldn’t be back for awhile. He left with an usually strong ‘poof’… in that it was a ‘nuclear poof’.
I suspect it all has something to do with preparations for his upcoming meeting, although that would only be my own estimation.:)
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:13 AM
Hit the Road Bushs
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 12:13 AM
He’s going on a diet :)
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 12:15 AM
Thanks very much for posting that w/link.
Ms. Burlingame said it very well. And Paul Ryan saying Guttierez is his “very good friend” given Guttierez’s horrible history and current positions (also horrible) and associations (ditto) is reprehensible as to Ryan. No excuse for even associating with Guttierez by any decent, responsible person.
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:16 AM
Theme song of the new political class R&D alike.
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:16 AM
Even so.
Good even’ to you, RWM. And thank you.
wolfsDad on April 25, 2013 at 12:16 AM
Now that’s a piece of wisdom right there!! A word to the wise.
bluefox on April 25, 2013 at 12:17 AM
lol! Possibly. One does want to put one’s best foot forward for an important ‘meeting’. :)
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:18 AM
Good one, indeed. Now, if we could find one on corruption and paybacks…
The Rs of today are the socialists.
The Ds are the commies and other scum.
The former enable the latter in the destruction of the land, just for their own gain. I hate all politicians with passion.
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 12:19 AM
Gee, what’d I miss? Or, rather, gee, I sure missed whatever happened.
Things like that happen here all the time. We get to commenting here habitually, people get irritated for a huge variety of reasons and differences, and there things go…
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:19 AM
You are. Very sorry. Very sorry, indeed.
It’s a Media MEME – and it’s BS!
williamg on April 25, 2013 at 12:20 AM
Jackie, stop with the teasing! What happened? Splain it or stop teasing those of us who don’t understand what “the meeting” is you’re talking about and where, what, as to Axe doing his “nuclear poof”.
Or, I could just mind my own business and go away…yeah, I could just do that.
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:21 AM
Cancel their Cable?
bluefox on April 25, 2013 at 12:21 AM
That, I agree with under today’s standards.
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:22 AM
Pointed it out myself at a Christmas dinner in ’10. The libs at the table didn’t appreciate it at the time.
wolfsDad on April 25, 2013 at 12:23 AM
It seems to me that once they’ve decided to wear that appellation…. ‘politician’… as their career choice… they earn our derision.
Term limits, strictly enforced, would go a long way toward ending that desire to remain a permanent fixture and member of the elitist club known as The Federal Government.
The political class has become to inured and invested in that private club membership and lost sight of their sworn oath to stand as our proxy in congress.
There are a few whom I still view as doing their duty. Grassley and Sessions are both on that all too short list.
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:23 AM
He also trusted a LOT of The RIGHT People!! A LOT!! Like Cheney for starters……….
Name the group of “right” (correct) people that OBAMA has trusted,….
Heck – name TWO!
williamg on April 25, 2013 at 12:23 AM
What appears to me to be taking place is that Islam is working it’s way up a tree, so to speak: taking one branch at a time.
First they integrate with all branches. Then they move up one branch and malign if not try to saw off the first branch they’ve just left.
Then repeat that process over the course of one branch after another.
Islam is using branches overhead while they saw off the lower branches, one after another, repeated, up the tree. First it’s one, then it’s two, then it’s…
Hint: think of a “branch” as one of many human social systems/beliefs that is not Islam.
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:25 AM
More fun if you stay. Axe asked RWM out…to McDonnell’s – you’d have to see the comment on last night’s QotD. It’s sweet.
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 12:26 AM
Lourdes… it’s not that I’m intentionally teasing you. It’s that it’s not my story, or my news, to tell. There are others who are in a far better position to reveal the events of last evening. :)
Good evening, Lourdes. I hope you’re well. :)
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:26 AM
George and Laura bush were decent people. but they were white, so….WHOOPSIES…..THE TRUTH SLIPPED OUT. SORRY.
GhoulAid on April 25, 2013 at 12:26 AM
Oh, what a disappointment he was/is.
bluefox on April 25, 2013 at 12:28 AM
Well, it seems I have, once again, failed to win the Powerball Lottery.
trigon on April 25, 2013 at 12:28 AM
Jackie, pls. see my comment, here
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 12:07 AM
————
Indeed on the politicians. I was against term limits, thinking that free people can throw them out. Well, the people went nuts. We can only blame the people for keeping them.
Indeed on the good ones but the exceptions just strengthen the rule.
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 12:29 AM
DITTO, again. Note to self: must think of another term to declare agreement other than repeating “DITTO”…
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:30 AM
Their color is not their problem. Their philosophy is.
She is to the left of him and he’s a current R, which are the socialists now.
The Ds are the commies and other tyrannical scum.
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 12:30 AM
+1 works :)
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 12:31 AM
Yes, major disappointment. Major, as in, very big disappointment. Epic level.
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:31 AM
One of my favorite bits of video, lately…..
williamg on April 25, 2013 at 12:32 AM
I Think I Love You Too Much – Dire Straits
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:32 AM
In keeping with that earlier comment I made, about people getting irritated over major and also minor quirks here over time as to the repeat commentors (of which, I am one), someone once got really irked that I’d type “DITTO” here when I agreed with someone else. Several others joined in with similar irritation. They seemed to be among the Left who comment here, to no surprise, irritated about “having to” read the word, “DITTO” “too many times”.
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:34 AM
Good evening..:)
Dire Straits on April 25, 2013 at 12:35 AM
OK, thanks for splaining. I don’t feel so much alone-at-a-table-in-a-crowded-room thing.
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:37 AM
We miss you Dubya..:)
Dire Straits on April 25, 2013 at 12:37 AM
Until it shows up on Greg Gutfeld’s banned word/phrase list, you’re golden.
wolfsDad on April 25, 2013 at 12:37 AM
The Gary Gilmore thing would work for white hat. Never happen today. The little bastard will outlive me on deathrow just like loughner who killed a little girl right up the road from me. Plea, appeal, plea, appeal.
Used to be you admitted to murder, you got justice. Not anymore. All you have to do is admit it, and you live. Does this make sense?
If you are guilty with a overwhelming level of evidence, admitting to it shouldn’t get you out of the punishment.
So what you admitted it? We had you anyways.
There’s no deterrent.
wolly4321 on April 25, 2013 at 12:37 AM
I was against term limits, and for the same reasons, but when we deal with people who spend their time playing video games, eating, drinking, watching sports and engaging in ANY sort of diversion, rather than spend time learning about how the government works, who the players are, and what they intend the course of the nation to be… I realized we need a safety of sorts.
Its too easy to simply do nothing, or go along with the status quo, or simply agree with the guy at the other end of the bar. When that happens, those who are part of the political class hold all of the cards. Soundbites. Ads. Airtime. Campaign machines. Pork barrel politics. And ‘FREE STUFF’.
I believe that term limits may well force people to pay more attention and get involved, since they would at least have to be aware that someone different was running.
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:38 AM
Never too much Love
———–
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:34 AM
Ignore them. Do your thing. You’re still free, for now.
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 12:38 AM
Missing Dubya: glass is half full.
Not Missing Dubya: glass is half empty. Wait, more like has a few beads of sweat on the outside of it when compared with Obama.
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:38 AM
McDonnells??..Is that an Irish bar in Boston??..:):)
Dire Straits on April 25, 2013 at 12:38 AM
Hi Dire – you like everybody…beer :)
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 12:39 AM
Hah, and you’re drinking :)
McDonald’s
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 12:39 AM
Obie has nevers been near the POTUS Dubya was..imho..:)
Dire Straits on April 25, 2013 at 12:40 AM
LoLz..:)
Dire Straits on April 25, 2013 at 12:41 AM
I had made a comment prior to that one and said President Bush was too trusting of his enemies in Congress.
Oh, B.O. doesn’t trust anyone. You can tell that by the way he acts.
bluefox on April 25, 2013 at 12:42 AM
It’s the need for “social discovery” at work. Justice wants to know their social networks, associations, leads and networks, etc., so they extend the gratuity (which is what it is) of a life with room-and-board-and-medical-care in exchange for more information.
I disagree with the gratuity, too, but it doesn’t seem to ever matter. I’m a prosecutor’s dream as to a jurist but a defenders worst despite my relatively constant state of mind as to being objective. Truth in sentencing is something I support, for starters.
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:42 AM
This video slays me! LOL!
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:43 AM
Let’s take a walk down Shaftesbury Avenue, girl….
williamg on April 25, 2013 at 12:44 AM
I love this quote, but it also stands as a warning, to those who would follow it, probably because if they did, they would fall out of the graces of even most here. There is a storm coming, sooner or later one will have to choose sides, and it won’t be pretty, and some will find out that when held over the volcano, well they will be ashamed of who they see, because in the end talkin ain’t doin!
The fact is that the average man’s love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty – and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies.
H. L. Mencken (Quoted in Baltimore Evening Sun, 1923)
MarshFox on April 25, 2013 at 12:46 AM
I’m for term limits too, for all the reasons listed…I’m also for people from the yellow/white pages running for a term, then go home. The founders w/b aghast at what the politicians of today have created for themselves.
The founders also missed this – no politician should be granted exemption from any laws they sign/force upon the people.
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 12:46 AM
Good evening..:)
Dire Straits on April 25, 2013 at 12:47 AM
Did you see that Obama is exempt from the cap he would place on retirement savings?
I agree with you. For instance, exempting themselves and their friends and donors from Obamacare was predictable… and reprehensible.
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:50 AM
Good evening, Dire. It’s good to see you. :)
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:50 AM
That’s one way to look at it-:) But I think the point RWM was making is on what is happening in France. And a warning to us here in the U.S.
bluefox on April 25, 2013 at 12:52 AM
And… George Washington turned down the crown for a reason. He wished to do away with dynasties and aristocracy and that private circle that wields power exclusively simply as a result of being part of that private circle.
I would that the modern political class would recall this and refrain from trying to reestablish those ills and visit them upon this nation.
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:52 AM
HERE’S what I think the deal is:
it’s not *really* Jeb Bush that’s being touted, it’s his son, the Jorge Bush one that these Progressives have their sites set on as to the Presidency.
By keeping the “Jeb meme” alive, they’re desensitizing the public to the idea of another-Bush. But the actual Bush that they have in mind is the third-generation “Evita Evita Evita” one (who is also quite the fist-pumping ethnic activist).
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:53 AM
Yes. All others 3 million – the Obamas, limitless.
May they spontaneously combust, all of them.
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 12:53 AM
Cold Shot – SRV
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:55 AM
At least he gives me something to work with.
wolfsDad on April 25, 2013 at 12:56 AM
Congress must step in there, intervene in yet another of Obama’s corruptions, fix that. Obama’s acting like a midnight pillager of a 7-11.
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 12:56 AM
More of that ruling class … rules for thee but not for me.
Apparently, he doesn’t think HE’S “…made enough money” yet.
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:56 AM
MarshFox on April 25, 2013 at 12:46 AM
Excellent…he’s also detested by most of the fooled world of today. These are the professors of today and this moron is a UN consultant for just about every big world event.
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 12:58 AM
Well…….thanks for proving my point and agreeing with me……….
People ignore the MOTES in Obama’s eye…….and pin Bush under a Microscope…..
Way to play into Chris Matthews and Wolf Blitzer’s and Andrea Mitchell’s hands
williamg on April 25, 2013 at 12:59 AM
The Sky Is Cryin’ – SRV
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 12:59 AM
As calling cards go, definitely a personal favorite.
wolfsDad on April 25, 2013 at 12:59 AM
All packed and clear for take off, MarshFox? :)
Good evening… afternoon… :)
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 1:00 AM
Seriously, I think of Obama and his deeds, and this comes to mind:
http://youtu.be/OejOrS-bHa0
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 1:00 AM
lol!
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 1:01 AM
The HIGLY ANNOYING “autoplay” video that allahpundit has Vexed us with DOES have one very cogent part:
Listen to where Bush talk’s about becoming the “Comforter-In-Chief” healing souls that are hurting…
Those words aren’t even IN Obama’s vocabulary —- OR The Media;s…..
williamg on April 25, 2013 at 1:03 AM
Our nation needs now more than ever someone in Congress who stands up and says, “You do.not.mess.with.the.sandwhich.shop.manager” to Obama.
Lourdes on April 25, 2013 at 1:04 AM
The Sky Is Cryin’ – Moore
thatsafactjack on April 25, 2013 at 1:05 AM
Obie has been stopped..Why do you think he is trying to win back the House??..:)
Dire Straits on April 25, 2013 at 1:05 AM
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