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So CHA was for Obamacare before they were against it. This falls under the Category “Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it.”. I’m fully against Obamacare but willing to make CHA live under the health care policy they’ve been asking for for last 100 years, and with the mandate.

TulsAmerican on June 18, 2012 at 3:32 PM

With you.

Let’s remember an important detail… CHA was for Obamacare when it mattered, when the game was on the line.

Now that the CHA has helped pass Obamacare, they now choose come out against it. Most likely, too late to do any good.

Statist roots go deep in my church, I’m afraid.

Since when is health insurance benefit a constitutionally protected right of the employee?

PackerBronco on June 18, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Since that socialist FDR pushed it with the economic bill of rights insanity and coupled healthcare to jobs for tax reasons.

Anyway, this is why I laughed heartily when the catholic leaders all of a sudden were unhappy with obamacare. Uh, did you socialist idiots think you’d get a pass on birthcontrol/abortion? Ya dance with the devil…

Open your eyes for Nov.

Catholics as a group have supported the Dems far too heavily – to their own detriment – as they are now finally figuring out.

dentarthurdent on June 18, 2012 at 10:55 AM

A few of my fellow Catholics are realizing the dark side of the statist agenda.

I’m afraid most of who supported this pro-abortion administration in the past will continue to do so.

Too many Catholics support life and religious liberty only until those concepts come up against the Democrat agenda. Then they revert to their deepest affiliations… and do the bidding of the DNC.

theoddmanout on June 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Beware that how you judge will be meted out on you by others.

Laws that make it legal for Doctors to lie to mothers about possible defects or deformities of their unborn child are absolutely ridiculous. As are laws that make it legal for pharmacists to deny Plan B to rape victims.

theoddmanout on June 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

I’d love to see some actual evidence that either of the highlighted sections are actually being codified into law, as you allege.

And no, one-sided articles (from either pro-life or pro-choice publications) aren’t “evidence…”

ONLY the government could be so stupid and incompetant to NOT support multiple types of policies.

The Obama administration has shown the country exactly why the government is not the best place to make ANY decision.

paul1149 on June 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

shinty on June 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM

So I’m guessing they did what Nanzi told them and supported it without ever reading it. I’ve said before that Catholics as a group have supported the Dems far too heavily – to their own detriment – as they are now finally figuring out.

“Live by the sword, die by the sword.”

The Catholic Church has for too long let liberal elements run a muck with issues such as health care. Various parishes openly supported ObamaCare under the guise of the social conscience banner.

Yet they never looked deeply enough at the conflicting issues which made this entire proposal unworkable and unfathomable in a democratic society.

It was clear from the beginning that Obamacare was untenable from a fiscal standpoint.

It was also clear the general quality of health care would be diminished. For all of us.

Finally and most importantly, the authors made no secret, nor did honest analysis leave any doubt, this would usurp individual rights, diminish our freedoms and extend constitutional boundaries beyond and reasonable limits or intent. That is just plain dangerous.

When we fought back, the Church told us we were overly concerned and implied we were somehow un-Christian in our intent. Insulting, really.

Now they want our help fighting this? Really- when the SCOTUS is ready to strike it down?

All I remember is when we needed the Church they largely abandoned us in the quest for some greater good. It left me wondering what other freedom diminishing proposals they would support in the interest of the so-called greater good.

The Church should learn to strike a better balance or they will find themselves losing more of the hard core parishioners who supporter them over the years.

Just heard on Fox News that the ruling might come down today. Rather than listen to the TV blah-blah, I’m just going to keep Hot Air open. You’re on it for us, right Ed? :-)

Grace_is_sufficient on June 18, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Unfortunately, no. The Supreme Court released their batch of rulings for today, and Obamacare wasn’t one of them.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-not-today-supreme-court-ruling-on-obamacare-still-pending-20120618,0,1361423.story

US Catholics: dig in your heels on this one… Remember at the ballot box in NO-vember…

Ah, I see. Yeah, the point I am trying to make is that the term “Religious liberty” is a very general and broad term, and is sometimes used to push through laws that actually make no sense.

theoddmanout on June 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

You argue that religious liberty is “very general and broad term, and is sometimes used to push through laws that actually make no sense.” That is backwards. The constitutions says the government is restricted from making laws impacting free exercise of religion. The point is not to search the world’s religions for all possible exceptions, but to make no law in the first place. So they shouldn’t have insisted on insurance for preventing a healthy condition (pregnancy).

However, if you are an employer, you are not a church or a religious institution and the constitutional protections do not apply.

Finally, comparing devout Christians and Christian scientists nonsensical. Christian scientists are outside orthodox Christianity.

Anyone opposed to government control of healthcare must recognize that the USCCB is not our ally in this fight, they oppose us.

Unfortunately true.

And you have proof this is happening? Didn’t think so.

Happy Nomad on June 18, 2012 at 9:43 AM

It isn’t happening because, in current laws across almost every state, if a Doctor does this, they can be sued and probably will lose their license, be fined, and possibly face jail time. But now states like Kansas and Arizona are trying to make it legal for Doctors to lie to their patients, and it is absolutely ridiculous. No logical, sane human being should think that it is moral and should be legal for licensed Doctors to blatantly lie to their patients about serious medical issues.

the USCCB ended up opposing ObamaCare

The USCCB is very much in favor of total government funding of health care, and opposes only the portion of control over health care that conflicts with doctrine. This is a relatively small disagreement in the grand scheme of healthcare, and it is misleading and wrong to say the USCCB “opposes” ObamaCare.

If the President can find a solution to the reproductive political issue dividing two important elements of his coalition, Catholic leadership (including the USCCB) and feminist political organizations, then he will have built an unassailable dominance.

Anyone opposed to government control of healthcare must recognize that the USCCB is not our ally in this fight, they oppose us. They do not oppose ObamaCare or the individual mandate, only the reproductive coverage.

If you are a Doctor and you knowingly lie to a pregnant mother and tell her that her unborn child has no defects when it does, you should lose your medical license, be forced to pay a fine, and never be allowed to practice medicine again.

theoddmanout on June 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM

And you have proof this is happening? Didn’t think so.

If you are a Doctor and you knowingly lie to a pregnant mother and tell her that her unborn child has no defects when it does, you should lose your medical license, be forced to pay a fine, and never be allowed to practice medicine again.

theoddmanout on June 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM

What are you talking about?