Open thread: Sunday morning talking heads

posted at 8:01 am on June 17, 2012 by Allahpundit

How happy do you think Romney is that, two days after he committed to making his first non-Fox Sunday morning appearance of the year, The One dropped a DREAM Act bombshell on him? Now, instead of spending 20 minutes attacking Obama on the economy, he’ll spend 20 minutes squirming through questions about whether he’d reverse O’s decision as president, what he has in mind for his own version of DREAM, and whether he thinks it’s possible to avoid a complete intraparty clusterfark over this issue. Makes me wonder if the White House didn’t accelerate the timing of yesterday’s policy shift because they knew Romney had nowhere to hide this weekend.

Here’s the line-up via WaPo. Plouffe, McCain, Graham, even Kim Strassel of the amnesty-friendly Wall Street Journal: Is there a single person on any show this weekend who opposes DREAM on the merits? Rich Lowry’s the only possibility that I see. Pawlenty might privately oppose it too, but as a top Romney surrogate he’s not going to come out strongly against it. Especially in a forum as prominent as this.

NBC’s Meet the Press: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ); David Plouffe, White House senior adviser; David Maraniss, Washington Post; Doris Kearns Goodwin, presidential historian; Mark Halperin, Time; former Rep. Harold Ford, Jr. (D-TN); Kim Strassel, Wall Street Journal

CBS’ Face the Nation: Mitt Romney; former Vermont Governor Howard Dean; Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC); Peggy Noonan, Wall Street Journal; Rich Lowry, National Review; Jan Crawford, CBS; John Dickerson, CBS and Slate

ABC’s This Week: David Plouffe, White House senior adviser; former Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R-MN); George Will, ABC News; Matthew Dowd, ABC News; former Obama economic adviser Austan Goolsbee; Katrina vanden Heuvel, The Nation

Fox News Sunday: David Plouffe, White House senior adviser; Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT); Michael Hayden, former CIA Director; Bill Kristol, Weekly Standard; Joe Trippi, former Howard Dean campaign manager; Karl Rove, former Bush White House senior adviser; Juan Williams, Fox News


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ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 6:29 PM

*facepalm*..

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Gooooooooo RED TEAM!

*facepalm*

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Of course he isn’t, but he should be. That’s where Romney’s big blind spot is. If Palin came out tomorrow and said that she couldn’t in good conscience vote for Romney but would vote third party or something instead, he’d have trouble cracking 40% in November. And you know it.

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 2:19 PM

*double fcepalm*..

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:17 PM

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 7:17 PM

How is it going!!..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:18 PM

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 7:17 PM

I i going prett well!!!..How is it going for the blue team???..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:20 PM

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 7:17 PM

It is going prett well!!!..How is it going for the blue team???..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Sorry..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Of course he isn’t, but he should be. That’s where Romney’s big blind spot is. If Palin came out tomorrow and said that she couldn’t in good conscience vote for Romney but would vote third party or something instead, he’d have trouble cracking 40% in November. And you know it.

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 2:19 PM

*double facepalm*..

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Sorry..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:22 PM

what’s the point of beating Romney everyday?

OrthodoxJew on June 17, 2012 at 5:03 PM

That’s his only point.

bluealice on June 17, 2012 at 7:24 PM

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Let me ask again..How is it going for the blue team??..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:25 PM

bluealice on June 17, 2012 at 7:24 PM

You are correct!!..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:26 PM

One last thing: yeah, you do.

One last thing, no I don’t. Your whole deal is a dodge to avoid a critique of The President.

The dynamic has become as follows: if one does not hate Obama sufficiently

I’m just asking for one thing he did that you object to and you can’t name one. Oh Hosannah, I guess you read lots into nothing.

to the extent that they’re willing to sing hosannas to any squish who comes out of the loaded and to a large extent media- and poll-driven Republican primary process, then that person is obviously lacking in “conservative” fortitude and conviction and is obviously working directly or indirectly for the “socialists” and “commies” etc etc. I’m tired of that sort of game as well. It’s why nothing ever changes, only the speed of the decline.

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 4:53 PM

I didn’t follow any of the last part of the quote. You’re talking about someone besides me. You can’t find a comment from me seriously calling anyone a commie. I could list for hours the names you’ve called Mitt Romney.

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:26 PM

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:26 PM

+ 100..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:28 PM

That’s his only point.

bluealice on June 17, 2012 at 7:24 PM

I’m start to “get” your terse input. I’m probably liking it. Must read more.

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:28 PM

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Waiting..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:32 PM

*double facepalm*..

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Sorry..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Yep, so many people slapped that particular comment down I didn’t feel the need. I love Sarah Palin. The deal is though that first, Palin wouldn’t endorse a third candidate. She’ll be a Mitt Romney cheerleader to beat President Obama. Second, even if she did it wouldn’t do anything because anyone at a tipping point with her would completely abandon her and even her most ardent supporters would still understand the need to Beat President Obama.

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM

I agree fully..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:37 PM

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM

I agree fully..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Well, that’s only because you’re a genius too. :-)

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:40 PM

wow

“Starting” … to get.

To Blue Alice’s comment.

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:41 PM

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 2:19 PM

But she won’t do that and you know it. She has always stated that she will support the nominee. Wouldn’t that fly in the face of respecting the people’s choice if she didn’t. I’d be willing to bet that the only reason she hasn’t said anything specifically is that she is such a target for the press that the story would become all about her and not the election. I’d put money on the the fact that she would help Gov. Romney in anyway he thought best. If Gov. Palin ever seeks elected office, it will be as a Republican, she is not going to crash and burn her own vehicle.

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2012 at 7:44 PM

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Sorry, I hadn’t read your comment, I basically said the same thing you did.

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Now you’re a Mittbot!

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:48 PM

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Let me ask again..How is it going for the blue team??..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Slight but persistent lead.

Yep, so many people slapped that particular comment down I didn’t feel the need. I love Sarah Palin. The deal is though that first, Palin wouldn’t endorse a third candidate. She’ll be a Mitt Romney cheerleader to beat President Obama.

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM

I didn’t say anything resembling the first part; I don’t think the second part is going to happen. She’ll be concentrating more on down-ticket stuff is my bet.

I didn’t follow any of the last part of the quote. You’re talking about someone besides me.

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:26 PM

“Who, me???” once again.

still understand the need to Beat President Obama.

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM

“Beating Obama” doesn’t mean “putting in place the necessary fundamental change of direction”. It’s merely cheering for the Red Team. I’m not engaging in that crap anymore. I did my last nose-holding routine in 2008.

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 7:49 PM

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Sorry, I hadn’t read your comment, I basically said the same thing you did.

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Quite alright young lady. When so many geniuses frequent a place, there’s bound to be overlap.

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:49 PM

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Lots of Mitt Romney dissent, no Obama Administration dissent.

Or, to quote my buddy Johnny Alamo, all hat, no cattle. We can cut this off now. I’m pretty satisfied that you don’t have a reasonable bone in your whole body. Plus, I’m getting weary of trying to figure out what you’re referring to most of the time. I shan’t bother you again.

Deal?

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:53 PM

I’d be willing to bet that the only reason she hasn’t said anything specifically is that she is such a target for the press that the story would become all about her and not the election.

Romney’s THAT weak? LOL

I’d put money on the the fact that she would help Gov. Romney in anyway he thought best. If Gov. Palin ever seeks elected office, it will be as a Republican, she is not going to crash and burn her own vehicle.

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2012 at 7:44 PM

No, I could be wrong, but I don’t think she’ll do much for Romney at all. She knows what the game is.

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 7:53 PM

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Call me anything but a citizen who’s president is Barack Hussein Obama after January 21,(?) 2013. Oh, and I prefer the term Mittwitt.

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Lots of Mitt Romney dissent, no Obama Administration dissent.

I’ve been dissenting from Obama administration policies since it came into office. Am I supposed to put out a few dog-eater jokes to prove my Obama-hater cred?

Or, to quote my buddy Johnny Alamo, all hat, no cattle. We can cut this off now. I’m pretty satisfied that you don’t have a reasonable bone in your whole body.

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:53 PM

I’m quite reasonable. You just don’t have an answer.

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 7:55 PM

To Blue Alice’s comment.

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:41 PM

No matter. I’m an excellent translator.

I may not say much, but I enjoy your posts. This ddrntn fellow is a thread hijaker and Mitt hater. He doesn’t offer another option, because it’s easier to hate and disparage those with whom he doesn’t agree.

bluealice on June 17, 2012 at 7:55 PM

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:53 PM

I’m quite reasonable. You just don’t have an answer.

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Cue The Twilight Zone music. You never asked a question.

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:58 PM

I may not say much, but I enjoy your posts. This ddrntn fellow is a thread hijaker and Mitt hater. He doesn’t offer another option…

bluealice on June 17, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Sure I do. It’s called “conservative candidates”, not moderate mannequins.

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 7:58 PM

bluealice on June 17, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Yeah. Sad, no?

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:58 PM

bluealice on June 17, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Sure I do. It’s called “conservative candidates”, not moderate mannequins.

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Who would you have run?

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:59 PM

“You’re a Mitt hater! You don’t think he’s going to kick Obama’s ass and lead us all to the Promised Land!!!!” Good Lord, I’m as tired of that line as much as I am of the SCOTUS one.

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 8:00 PM

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Her strength is in getting a better Congress. I will agree with you that Gov. Romney is weak tea but I will say this for him, he stood by the people of Delaware with their unfortunate options for the Senate, he not only contributed to Christine O’Donnell’s campaign but stumped for her. That may not speak to a lot of people but it does to me. She was hardly the “type” of Republican he would be expected to promote since she was actively denigrated by much of the party establishment.

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Who would you have run?

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:59 PM

I’d feel better about anyone other than Romney or Huntsman. If Huntsman had been nominated, would you be in here defending the guy against all dissenters? Well, maybe, if the groupthink became severe enough. So how is Romney essentially different from Huntsman? Heck, Huntsman governed as more of a conservative than Romney did.

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 8:02 PM

bluealice on June 17, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Actually he is just very very disillusioned. I don’t entirely blame him but I can’t find it in myself to hang on to stuff I can’t change.

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM

I’d forgot that. That’s a great point.

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 8:03 PM

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Yeah, but he worked for The Won and wrote him that simpering letter. Huntsman should have run for reelection as governor.

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2012 at 8:06 PM

If Huntsman had been nominated, would you be in here defending the guy against all dissenters?

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 8:02 PM

No, I just wouldn’t discuss it at all. I certainly wouldn’t BaC here every day. I’d shut my mouth and just vote for him in the Fall. But he didn’t even come close. So what’s your point?

Who would you have run?

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 8:06 PM

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:40 PM

lolz..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 8:08 PM

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Sorry, I hadn’t read your comment, I basically said the same thing you did.

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2012 at 7:46 PM

You both made excellent comments!!..Great minds think alike!..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 8:10 PM

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I don’t think you are a Mitt hater, I think you believe you are making a principle conservative stand by not voting for him. That is certainly your right to do but I’m not quite sure of your agenda when you keep coming back here to pee in the cornflakes. Are you actively seeking to change people’s minds about voting for Gov. Romney over The Won?

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2012 at 8:10 PM

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Unless you are in posession of a time machine, that ship has sailed. I am glad Mitt is our nominee.

bluealice on June 17, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Slight but persistent lead.
ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 7:49 PM

I’m sure that just warms your heart!!..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Alas, I have to write check and pay bills on-line to people who are already richer than I. G-nite to Cindy, Dire, Blue Alive and ddrintn.

Screen names.

Are you a dr of dentistry in TN?

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 8:15 PM

hawkdriver on June 17, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Good to see you!!..I hope things go great for you..:)

Dire Straits on June 17, 2012 at 8:17 PM

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 8:00 PM

See ya later, alligator!

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2012 at 8:19 PM

No matter. I’m an excellent translator.

I may not say much, but I enjoy your posts. This ddrntn fellow is a thread hijaker and Mitt hater. He doesn’t offer another option, because it’s easier to hate and disparage those with whom he doesn’t agree.

bluealice on June 17, 2012 at 7:55 PM

How dare you, bluealice?!

“If you ever disagree with me, or say something less than 100% complimentary of me, you prove that you hate me, and everything I stand for, on a personal level, haters!!!” -ddrintn

Bizarro No. 1 on June 17, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Yeah. When no defense of Romney sounds convincing, trot out the old SCOTUS blackmail job.

ddrintn on June 17, 2012 at 6:25 PM

It’s not a “blackmail” job, it’s an established historical fact. Conservatives holding a “compassionate conservative” presidents feet to the fire proved an effective means of getting the kind of SCOTUS appointees we want.

Alberta_Patriot on June 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

I don’t think you are a Mitt hater, I think you believe you are making a principle conservative stand by not voting for him. That is certainly your right to do but I’m not quite sure of your agenda when you keep coming back here to pee in the cornflakes. Are you actively seeking to change people’s minds about voting for Gov. Romney over The Won?

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2012 at 8:10 PM

So it’s join the Mittbot chorus or shut up. LOL Good grief.

It’s not a “blackmail” job

Alberta_Patriot on June 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

That’s exactly what it is.

ddrintn on June 18, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Conservatives holding a “compassionate conservative” presidents feet to the fire proved an effective means of getting the kind of SCOTUS appointees we want.

Alberta_Patriot on June 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Too late now, but isn’t it less onerous to just have a Conservative candidate whose feet you don’t have to constantly hold to that fire?
Why do you think so many of us are so adamantly opposed to any other Bush family member running for president? How many times do we have to be bitten by the same rodent before we learn to keep our hands out of that rat hole? I hope it’s not three.

SKYFOX on June 18, 2012 at 7:36 AM

Are you actively seeking to change people’s minds about voting for Gov. Romney over The Won?

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2012 at 8:10 PM

As one who is very reluctantly voting for Romney, I note that there seems to be more respect for Democrats who vote for Obama than there is for Republicans who can’t vote for Romney. Why is that? A natural revulsion to apostasy?

swinia sutki on June 18, 2012 at 7:44 AM

A couple of the best comments saved for last. Thanks, guys…

Too late now, but isn’t it less onerous to just have a Conservative candidate whose feet you don’t have to constantly hold to that fire?

SKYFOX on June 18, 2012 at 7:36 AM

Waaaaaaay too logical.

As one who is very reluctantly voting for Romney, I note that there seems to be more respect for Democrats who vote for Obama than there is for Republicans who can’t vote for Romney. Why is that? A natural revulsion to apostasy?

swinia sutki on June 18, 2012 at 7:44 AM

Ouch.

ddrintn on June 18, 2012 at 7:47 AM

ddrintn on June 18, 2012 at 7:11 AM

This is late and I doubt you will see it, but I don’t want you to shut up. I would think that you know me better than that. I’m just confused about your goal. You aren’t the only person on this site who states they aren’t going to vote for Gov. Romney but you generate the most continuous heat. If you truly want to convince people, I would suggest a change of tactics. The funny thing is that I don’t know what the change would be, I think the fear and loathing of Obama is just to strong. If you don’t mind taking the heat, I guess you are doing fine. I just hate seeing you get beat up on so consistently. Maybe you and Mad Con should tag team!!!

Cindy Munford on June 18, 2012 at 8:54 PM

swinia sutki on June 18, 2012 at 7:44 AM

Do you mean that there is more respect for Democrats who will vote for Romney because I don’t understand the question if you don’t. Of course Democrats would get respect for voting for Obama. I couldn’t swear to it but I think if you go to a Left leaning site and there was a Liberal who is going to vote for Romney, because Obama isn’t liberal enough, that person is getting the same treatment as ddrintn. That seems to me to be the equivalent of the situation here. As for me, I like ddrintn, always have, and I believe that he and every other American should always vote as they deem best.

Cindy Munford on June 18, 2012 at 9:02 PM

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