WaPo wonders: What will hundreds of thousands of job permits do to the economy?

posted at 11:01 am on June 16, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I asked the same question in an update to Erika’s post on Barack Obama’s unilateral move to accommodate young illegal immigrants by refusing to deport them and issue them temporary work permits instead.  With potentially as many as 800,000 new workers flooding into the system, what happens to the millions of Americans who can’t find work now?  The Washington Post wonders the same thing, and more:

President Obama has just opened a floodgate of opportunity for young illegal immigrants in the United States, but could it squeeze the aspirations of legal Americans in the process? …

Under the new policy, as many as 1.4 million undocumented immigrants under age 30 will be able to apply for the amnesty, allowing them to work and attend college legally. To be eligible, they must have been in the United States for five years, have no criminal record, and attend high school or college or be a military veteran.

The policy does not provide permanent legal residency, but it protects those who qualify from being deported and gives them a chance to renew their new status every two years. It also does not grant any public benefits, such as Medicare and Medicaid. Federal law already grants all undocumented immigrants the right to a public-school education and emergency hospital care.

The new policy could entail additional costs for administration and enforcement, however, and put pressure on state systems of higher education to meet growing demand for slots.

A move like this might have made sense in 2005-6, when the civilian participation rate in the workforce was near its all-time high (around 66.2% at that time), with unemployment in the 5% range, and labor so tight that hourly wages on entry level positions were constantly rising. American businesses would have welcomed a larger pool of legal workers and the competition wouldn’t have put others out of work or forced them to work for significantly less money.  People would have opposed it for other reasons, but economically speaking, it wouldn’t have had a tremendously negative impact, at least not in the short term.

But now?  We’re not creating enough jobs to keep up with population growth as it is.  With this new policy in place, Obama will introduce hundreds of thousands of suddenly-eligible workers into an economy with an 8.2% nominal unemployment rate, a 14.8% U-6 un/underemployed rate, with a civilian participation rate that has plummeted from 65.7% at the start of the Obama recovery in June 2009 (the same as it was when he took office, too) to 63.8%, lower than it was when Reagan faced his first midterm election.  Those who are already struggling to find jobs are not only going to face more competition for those slots, the glut of labor will depress entry-level wages even further.

Don’t make the mistake of dismissing the short-term benefits of this move for Barack Obama.  When a chief executive “takes the bull by the horns” and acts in a strong manner, he will usually get rewarded with a bump upward in approval and support.  Americans like to see leaders lead, which is the reason incumbent Presidents have such an advantage in re-election efforts.  It’s also no secret that the Latino community had grown angry with the increased rate of deportations in the Obama administration, and this will heal a breach that Obama can’t afford in November.  But this has a large potential for backfire — and if jobs reports this summer continue the downward trend we’ve been seeing this year, those 23 million Americans who already feel locked out of the economy will be asking the same question the Post does this morning.


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This is the most frustrating thread I have ever witnessed at Hot Air. There is only 1 question that matters, and we cannot seem to get a handle on the answer:

Does this make the unemployment rate between now and November:

1. Go up;
2. Fall;
3. Dunnno yet, because BO will manipulate the implementation.

I do agree with those who believ that this is playing a key card very early – earlier than Axelrod wanted.

Romney is on Face the Nation tomorrow. He must thread the needle carefully, because immigration issues are the only policy matters that can defeat him.

matthew8787 on June 16, 2012 at 5:44 PM

joana, vous êtes un imbécile.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2012 at 5:34 PM

You can’t even type such a simple sentence in proper French.

It’d be “une imbécile” not “un imbécile”. As anyone with some rudimentary knowledge of French would know.

Why are you pretending to be capable of speaking a foreign language? Pathetic. I’d say the positive here is that you learned something, but you probably forget about it tomorrow.

Now I’m done with you for the next couple of months unless you write something that really amuses me, which is unlikely – albeit we both know you’ll keep writing posts about me at a frenetic pace no matter what.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM

joana, vous êtes un imbécile.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Heh. Or as foot-and-a-half likes to say: l’espece d’idiot.
Or as the Old French proverb says: Qui ne dort pas, n’est pas d’ome.

de rigueur on June 16, 2012 at 5:46 PM

I’ve got some competing thoughts on this:

Just how many people that fit this category are being deported annually under Obama? My guess is very, very few. DHS sort of acknowledged that by indicating they’re maintaining their focus on illegals who commit crimes within our borders. I’d be surprised if many of these 800k “Americans in spirit” are really all that worried about deportation. Makes you wonder if they’ll bother taking advantage of this new policy.

There is also a very real but under-reported (both statistically and by the media) faction of illegals working for cash. It’s much cheaper for an employer that way, and migrant workers and construction workers are two of the most common off-the-books employees. Work permits? Not sure I’d want to hurt my chances for employment if I was in my mid 20′s and qualified for this program.

On the other hand, wouldn’t you think that the politics behind this would demand that analysis of the potential effects to the employment picture in the country be given due diligence? Is the Obama campaign in that far over their heads that they didn’t consider this? I know they’re not the gods they were made out to be in ’08, but this would seem to be the first question asked by someone when the 800k new job seekers point was brought up.

I wonder if this actually dovetails back into my point above and maybe the campaign understands this. If so, then it makes the announcement that much more dishonest.

Whichever, it’s bad policy.

Big surprise.

BKeyser on June 16, 2012 at 5:47 PM

It is how we got our POTUS!

What is wrong with you people?

We need to end all borders (except the bookstore). Dump all immigration and other silly laws requiring birth certificates, also.

Take the benefits from our veterans of the last decade and give them to our guests from other parts of the world. This way those schools with lower costs for non-citizens can do away with them.

This is an extension of the attitude which gets diversity into high posts and makes America fun!

IlikedAUH2O on June 16, 2012 at 5:47 PM

joana on June 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM

joana, vous êtes un/une imbécile.

Since when are people on the net supposed to know what you are, or are not? Nice of you to expose yourself, imbécile.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2012 at 5:48 PM

joana on June 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Geez. Go away. You are so tedious.

And folks, please don’t play with the troll.

kim roy on June 16, 2012 at 5:48 PM

joana on June 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Geez. Go away. You are so tedious.

And folks, please don’t play with the troll.

kim roy on June 16, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Aw, come on! Just a couple of more pages before we put her back in the rat cage.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 5:52 PM

. I can’t tell if you’re I’m dumb or just have a short memory.

libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 12:03 PM

…FIFY

KOOLAID2 on June 16, 2012 at 5:53 PM

albeit we both know you’ll keep writing posts about me at a frenetic pace no matter what.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Hey, aren’t you aka Julia?

Key West Reader on June 16, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Aw, come on! Just a couple of more pages before we put her back in the rat cage.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 5:52 PM

…we don’t need to be the wheel she’s running on.

KOOLAID2 on June 16, 2012 at 5:56 PM

albeit we both know you’ll keep writing posts about me at a frenetic pace no matter what.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Urkel?

Key West Reader on June 16, 2012 at 5:56 PM

albeit we both know you’ll keep writing posts about me at a frenetic pace no matter what.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Sandra Fluke?
Herpes on steroids?

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 6:03 PM

albeit we both know you’ll keep writing posts about me at a frenetic pace no matter what.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM

…you obviously don’t look behind your azz…”to see whose writing posts” at a frenetic pace!

KOOLAID2 on June 16, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Obama 2012- He supports giving jobs to illegal aliens!

profitsbeard on June 16, 2012 at 6:06 PM

This is the most frustrating thread I have ever witnessed at Hot Air. There is only 1 question that matters, and we cannot seem to get a handle on the answer:

Does this make the unemployment rate between now and November:

1. Go up;
2. Fall;
3. Dunnno yet, because BO will manipulate the implementation.

I do agree with those who believ that this is playing a key card very early – earlier than Axelrod wanted.

Romney is on Face the Nation tomorrow. He must thread the needle carefully, because immigration issues are the only policy matters that can defeat him.

matthew8787 on June 16, 2012 at 5:44 PM

The unemployment rate evolution depends more on the economy than on this.

But your point 3 is correct. As I said before, they would never commit the mistake of a mass distribution of work permits to illegals who are unemployed (who aren’t that much to begin with – most of them have some sort of job). They’ll do that… after the Election Day if Romney doesn’t win.

The idea that Obama would do anything to inflate the unemployment rate is bizarre.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:09 PM

I keep thinking about how difficult it is becoming to tread water. We’ve been doing it since June 2008.

I don’t know about everyone else, but I’m really happy that we’ll be adding 800,000 illegal aliens to the list of folks who are looking for jobs. The timing just couldn’t be better if you ask me. Illegal aliens deserve jobs in America. Not only that, but I think we should grant them all of the rights and privileges of Citizenship. If we don’t, we’ll all be racists and we don’t want that.

/

Key West Reader on June 16, 2012 at 6:12 PM

.

On the other hand, wouldn’t you think that the politics behind this would demand that analysis of the potential effects to the employment picture in the country be given due diligence? Is the Obama campaign in that far over their heads that they didn’t consider this? I know they’re not the gods they were made out to be in ’08, but this would seem to be the first question asked by someone when the 800k new job seekers point was brought up.

BKeyser on June 16, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Don’t underrate them that much.

Again, they can decide to whom they’ll give the work permits in the next few months, if they give any at all.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:13 PM

The idea that Obama would do anything to inflate the unemployment rate is bizarre.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:09 PM

My dad said to tell you to go shave your armpits. He says you will feel better if you do. Hairy women are angry by nature.

Key West Reader on June 16, 2012 at 6:14 PM

The idea that Obama would do anything to inflate the unemployment rate is bizarre.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:09 PM

You really put a lot of faith into DumbO. Have you ever heard of a couple named Cloward and Piven?

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 6:16 PM

You really put a lot of faith into DumbO. Have you ever heard of a couple named Cloward and Piven?

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Geez, it’s amazing. Look, Cloward & Piven would advise Obama to keep the unemployment rate as low as possible till November – it’ll already grow from the stagnant economy – in order to maximize his chances of re-election which would then allow him to give citizenship to 10 millions of them (instead of jeopardizing his chances to add a few thousands with temporary work permits that can be easily reversed). Endgame.

And this is exactly what Axelrod and LaRaza are telling Obama to do.

And people like you who can’t think long-term and understand how sneaky that crowd can be are the reason why Obama was elected in the first place.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:24 PM

A chilling article:
http://nationaljournal.com/columns/political-connections/just-like-the-gipper-20120614

Romney needs to win by Reagan margins with whites to have a chance of winning the election. Considering Obama’s advantage with college educated women, he needs to over-perform Reagan with the rest of the whites.

Gingrich and Perry were right on this: sooner or later, probably sooner rather than later, the GOP needs to start getting a larger share of the minority vote. There are too many left-leaning whites to win national elections based on the strength amongst them.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Aw, come on! Just a couple of more pages before we put her back in the rat cage.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Cat toy? Okay, sorry for the interruption. ;)

kim roy on June 16, 2012 at 6:36 PM

The idea that Obama would do anything to inflate the unemployment rate is bizarre.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:09 PM

You actually believe this 4 year nightmare is competent? Puh-leeze.

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 6:39 PM

This is the most frustrating thread I have ever witnessed at Hot Air. There is only 1 question that matters, and we cannot seem to get a handle on the answer:

Does this make the unemployment rate between now and November…

matthew8787 on June 16, 2012 at 5:44 PM

It won’t affect the unemployment rate at all.

Because this directive won’t be implemented before November. Precisely because the Obama campaign won’t want this directive blamed for another bad jobs report. And also because it’s going to require hiring more personnel, and more directives to implement the directive, and that takes time (“Shovel ready was not as shovel ready as we expected”).

But there’s another reason. No undocumented alien is going to sign up for this before he knows the outcome of the election. This is a directive that can easily be rescinded by another President, might be blocked by a court injunction, and it puts him and his parents on a very handy list for the future. This is political theater, and people who survive by staying out of the spotlight are going to stay out of the spotlight.

de rigueur on June 16, 2012 at 6:40 PM

What will this do to the unemployment rate in the coming months? Sounds like to me that adding 800,000 people to the figures would push that rate beyond 9% just before the election. Talk about a backlash.

mustng66 on June 16, 2012 at 12:13 PM

you don’t understand how the unemployment rate is calculated. most of those illegals are already working or are in school or will go to school. they won’t ever be counted anyways as first you have to be LAID OFF from a job to be counted as unemployed. none of these new illegals will be laid off, instead businesses will hire more of them because they are cheaper to pay.

what this will do is collapse many states’ higher education, now you have hundreds of thousands more students trying to take scholarships from Americans, when already there is a huge college cost bubble!

AirForceCane on June 16, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Just a guess, but think Congress will establish a law that prohibits “NEW” work permits from being accepted by business until the some 23 million LEGAL unemployed Americans are back to work. I endorse this, and hope it happens. Obama did something illegal, AGAIN, and will pay for it in November. We cannot afford 4 more years of him and his corrupt administration.

Amazingoly on June 16, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Please don’t call the moron an imbecile. Thanks.

viking01 on June 16, 2012 at 6:50 PM

You really put a lot of faith into DumbO. Have you ever heard of a couple named Cloward and Piven?

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Geez, it’s amazing. Look, Cloward & Piven would advise Obama to keep the unemployment rate as low as possible till November – it’ll already grow from the stagnant economy – in order to maximize his chances of re-election which would then allow him to give citizenship to 10 millions of them (instead of jeopardizing his chances to add a few thousands with temporary work permits that can be easily reversed). Endgame.

And this is exactly what Axelrod and LaRaza are telling Obama to do.

And people like you who can’t think long-term and understand how sneaky that crowd can be are the reason why Obama was elected in the first place.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Here, idiot:

The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward (1926–2001) and Frances Fox Piven (b. 1932) that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of “a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty”.

You are reminding all of us just how ignorant people are out there, Joana.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 6:54 PM

You are reminding all of us just how ignorant people are out there, Joana.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 6:54 PM

And she’s been doing it for 30 hours now.

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 6:57 PM

You are reminding all of us just how ignorant people are out there, Joana.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 6:54 PM

And she’s been doing it for 30 hours now.

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 6:57 PM

No doubt, KJ.
Who was that poster that went on an all night bender and everyone swore she only stopped when the white coats descended?

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Here, idiot:

The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward (1926–2001) and Frances Fox Piven (b. 1932) that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of “a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty”.

You are reminding all of us just how ignorant people are out there, Joana.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Look, the crazy can quote from wikipedia! Now, now, someone is smarting up!

As I said:

Geez, it’s amazing. Look, Cloward & Piven would advise Obama to keep the unemployment rate as low as possible till November – it’ll already grow from the stagnant economy – in order to maximize his chances of re-election which would then allow him to give citizenship to 10 millions of them (instead of jeopardizing his chances to add a few thousands with temporary work permits that can be easily reversed). Endgame.

And this is exactly what Axelrod and LaRaza are telling Obama to do.

And people like you who can’t think long-term and understand how sneaky that crowd can be are the reason why Obama was elected in the first place.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Do you think a few thousand additions would overload the welfare system?

What about 15 million new additions? That’s already something, isn’t it? That has the potential to create a real crisis, right?

Which one would you think that Cloward & Piven would want Obama to follow? Jeopardizing that potential for a few thousands? Or keep the focus on the big prize?

Now, take your time to think out this thing. Don’t rush it. You can get there by yourself.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 7:07 PM

joana on June 16, 2012 at 7:07 PM

I looked for the ignorant Wiki edition for you, Joana, but it was still under construction. This is just another brick in the wall of tearing this country down to its knees. That is the end game, because people that are in need are easier to control. But, you are still looking at the bright shiny object of thinking that if you allow a bunch of illegal aliens to make good, for the children, of course, you might not be called a racist simply by wanting to follow the law, which you don’t anyway, so we will just call you an idiot.
And, you underestimate how fast illegals can run across the border. 3 million in 1986 turned into 7 million.
Now, call me racist for that, idiot.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 7:11 PM

The WaPo should wonder if this will create the homeland unrest and warfare that Zero needs to declare martial law should things continue to not go his way by late October.

viking01 on June 16, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Huckabee thinks that the Obama/Napolitano skirting of immigration law is “an admirable thing.” The man is a fool, and he has a television soapbox to promote his idiocy.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/huckabee-defends-obamas-immigration-policy-its-an-admirable-thing/

onlineanalyst on June 16, 2012 at 7:18 PM

On the other hand, wouldn’t you think that the politics behind this would demand that analysis of the potential effects to the employment picture in the country be given due diligence? Is the Obama campaign in that far over their heads that they didn’t consider this? I know they’re not the gods they were made out to be in ’08, but this would seem to be the first question asked by someone when the 800k new job seekers point was brought up.

Obama: Let’s give all these illegals amnesty.
Staff: Can’t do that, amnesty has bad connotations.
Obama: We’ll call it something else.
Staff: What about American workers, especially teens and blacks? And even legal immigrants?
Obama: Screw ‘em. Teens can’t vote and blacks will vote for me no matter what.
Staff: We’ll get the speech drawn up.

And there you have it.

Al_H on June 16, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Again, they can decide to whom they’ll give the work permits in the next few months, if they give any at all.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:13 PM

That’s a HUGE risk. If they (once again) raised false hope for hundreds of thousands of illegals, they’ll pay hell for it in November. Surely some enterprising #justablogger will did into the statistics sometime around October.

BKeyser on June 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM

joana on June 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM

So Schadenfreude is on restriction? Cool!

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Al_H on June 16, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Inclined to agree.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Campaign has followed the lead of the president; attain figurehead status then turn over all the sorted detailed to the Congress (college-aged campaign volunteers) while living the high life on public (donor) dollars.

BKeyser on June 16, 2012 at 7:29 PM

That’s a HUGE risk. If they (once again) raised false hope for hundreds of thousands of illegals, they’ll pay hell for it in November. Surely some enterprising #justablogger will did into the statistics sometime around October.

BKeyser on June 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Really?

If I am Axelrod, here’s the best line of attack I could possibly extract from this: “Okay, we’re finally heating up. Already issue a couple of hundred of work permits. Now it’s up to you folks. Go vote for Obama if you want him to be President in the next 4 years – he’ll sign the work permits for your cousins. Don’t get out the vote for Obama and Romney will stop this program before it even begins. Romney won’t sign a single work permit. “.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Will Romney have the guts to argue against this amnesty?

He already sounds squishy on this matter.

mockmook on June 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Huckabee thinks that the Obama/Napolitano skirting of immigration law is “an admirable thing.”

onlineanalyst on June 16, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Huckabee is a pro-life “compassionate conservative” who is moderate to liberal on just about everything else.

bw222 on June 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Will Romney have the guts to argue against this amnesty?

He already sounds squishy on this matter.

mockmook on June 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Don’t expect too much of Romney. His biggest plus is that his name is not Obama. Mitt has been squishy all his career.

bw222 on June 16, 2012 at 7:47 PM

The idea that Obama would do anything to inflate the unemployment rate is bizarre.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Yeah, if anyone dares to doubt your leader, they’re “the crazies,” right? Racists, right?!

How many people are using that User Account, “joana”?

Lourdes on June 16, 2012 at 7:55 PM

It’ll be interesting to see what the administration actually does. It says it’s going to do a lot of things it doesn’t follow through on. This was a purely electoral move, and it may go the way of other ones. Thinking responsibly about consequences is for conservatives, after all.

J.E. Dyer on June 16, 2012 at 7:56 PM

The idea that Obama would do anything to inflate the unemployment rate is bizarre.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Yeah, if anyone dares to doubt your leader, they’re “the crazies,” right? Racists, right?!

How many people are using that User Account, “joana”?

Lourdes on June 16, 2012 at 7:55 PM

I think you’re on to something there.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 7:57 PM

And people like you who can’t think long-term and understand how sneaky that crowd can be are the reason why Obama was elected in the first place.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:24 PM

It’s our fault that Obama was elected? Who knew!

That sounds suspiciously like a bitter McCain campaign taunt from last election: it’s the Right’s fault because the old mean GOP is filled with old mean GOP racist xenophobes and, uhh, trust Obama, don’t fear him and, and…

The Left is responsible for electing Obama. That and the McCain campaign who appears to have helped them do that.

Lourdes on June 16, 2012 at 7:58 PM

How many people are using that User Account, “joana”?

Lourdes on June 16, 2012 at 7:55 PM

I think you’re on to something there.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Well, that account is both active in unnatural hours for one person’s abilities to be commenting AND the method of speech expressed varies over the hours. I think it’s one of those push-accounts that’s used by more than one person but the effects are still the same trollage, no doubt.

Lourdes on June 16, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Huckabee thinks that the Obama/Napolitano skirting of immigration law is “an admirable thing.”

onlineanalyst on June 16, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Huckabee is a pro-life “compassionate conservative” who is moderate to liberal on just about everything else.

bw222 on June 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Gahhh, what Huckabee said, gahhhhh.

Huckabee was one of the people during that Bush Amnesty effort who was pushing it, so was Brownback, along with the predictable Liberals.

I’ve never been able to take Huckabee too seriously since,, especially since he applied the “blame conservatives” method during that time. I was offfended and for good reason.

Lourdes on June 16, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Looking at the comments around the web it looks like his little pander is not going to work.

docflash on June 16, 2012 at 11:07 AM

You’re so right about that. The criticism is overwhelming about Obama’s latest rip of the Constitution. We need to keep it going, obviously, and really rail on Romney/GOP if they indicate support for such a disasterous idea as this amnesty thing by any other name.

Note that just saying “it’s not amnesty” doess not mean it’s not amnesty and the stupidity behind that statement — “it’s not amnesty” — is mindboggling and shouldn’t go unchallenged. We went through this argument during the Bush/Rove push for amnesty a while ago and here it is again,, recycled now by Obama and Rubio.

Jeb Bush is the source, I’m betting.

Lourdes on June 16, 2012 at 8:10 PM

the shameless leftist media icon Sam donaldson has weighed in to reassure leftists everywhere, that the main problem inn the Racists on the right….it is the Racists that disagree with preezy

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/06/16/Sam-Donaldson-Many-on-the-political-right-Oppose-Obama-Because-He-s-An-African-American?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

r keller on June 16, 2012 at 8:15 PM

the shameless leftist media icon Sam donaldson has weighed in to reassure leftists everywhere, that the main problem inn the Racists on the right….it is the Racists that disagree with preezy

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/06/16/Sam-Donaldson-Many-on-the-political-right-Oppose-Obama-Because-He-s-An-African-American?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

r keller on June 16, 2012 at 8:15 PM

That equals the DNC’s latest campaign screed.

That’s all they have, that pitiful, irrational hate.

Because they can’t defend Obama’s miserable record nor the abyss that is his behavior.

Lourdes on June 16, 2012 at 8:23 PM

r keller on June 16, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Anita Dunn, Axelrod, Emanual, Hollywood and their marketers, Soros and the union heavies have worked up this Obama-Amnesty announcement SO THAT they can then move into their “if you disagree you’re a racist” accusation.

That now explains Obama’s interest in saving these Lost Genius Better Than Americans 30 year old “children”.

Lourdes on June 16, 2012 at 8:25 PM

It’ll be interesting to see what the administration actually does. It says it’s going to do a lot of things it doesn’t follow through on. This was a purely electoral move, and it may go the way of other ones. Thinking responsibly about consequences is for conservatives, after all.

J.E. Dyer on June 16, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Exactly, why would Latinos take at face value anything that he says/promises…he promised many things, but delivered very little..even the latino illegals in question can see through his pathetic politicking and electoral manoeuvering….besides outing themselves and coming forth about one’s illegal status is a big deal for the ones involved and their families..this man is known for not honoring his promises, not to mention that a new president could reverse the EO anytime and declare the indoviduals who outed themselves as deportable…not sure that fhe levels of enthusiasm among the illegals are necessarily going through the roof as a result of this announcement…iteon’t help him much in FL anyways…it van ehlp him lock NE though, and probably CO…

jimver on June 16, 2012 at 8:27 PM

EVERYONE who cares, ask whomever this next time you’re called a “racist” for not supporting amnesty for illegal aliens:

WHAT IS IT ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION THAT ASSOCIATES WITH ‘RACE’?

Illegal immigration is behavioral, it’s not racial.

Or to follow the Left’s ideas, somehow illegal immigration is an act of some race or another, such that to consider it unacceptable against our nation is to be condemning some race or another…

See, it’s illogical.

And I’ve yet to meet anyone whose race was “illegal alien”.

Lourdes on June 16, 2012 at 8:29 PM

So Schadenfreude is on restriction? Cool!

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Heh, never. I’m a free person. I can do whatever I want, still. For ex., I’m on strike, as a former big producer and taxpayer. I will NOT feed joana’s Utopian dreams.

Resist We Much and I make Rand smile in her grave.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Great read, then and now.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Best one-pager on the squatting emperor.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2012 at 8:37 PM

WHAT IS IT ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION THAT ASSOCIATES WITH ‘RACE’?

Lourdes on June 16, 2012 at 8:29 PM

exactamente! i’m 100% Latino and am 100% amnesty. obama shills like this joana individual, pollute threads with their racism (they hate to hear a Lation off the plantation) and their poorly disguised allegiance to obama.

renalin on June 16, 2012 at 8:43 PM

My apologies for not reading all the comments…

This is part of Obama’s laser-like focus on jobs…for foreigners. Let’s just legalize millions of third-worlders who are already stealing jobs and benefits meant for our citizens. And, done in the midst of what we all know is the second Great Depression. Furthermore, this move will provide ridiculous new incentive for a mass migration into the United States from South of the Border. If we continue to provide incentives like medical care, education, and take away even the threat of deportation then we have effectively green-lighted millions of poor, illiterate third worlders to crash our borders. They will never stop coming…

This man is a destroyer…His policies will make the United States unrecognizable to all who know this country in just a few short years.

Nozzle on June 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

New Immigration Policy Won’t Save Jose Antonio Vargas
June 15, 2012
**************

One measly year: That’s the only thing standing in the way of Jose Antonio Vargas being granted a work permit to safely live in the U.S. under the new U.S. immigration rules announced today. The news that the Obama administration will offer immunity to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children is clearly a milestone for the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist whose been rallying for the policy change ever since he outed himself as an illegal immigrant last year. Still, a certain element of today’s news must be a tad bittersweet given that he falls just one year short of being eligible to apply for immunity.

The AP’s Alicia Caldwell explains the eligibility requirements:

Under the administration plan, illegal immigrants will be immune from deportation if they were brought to the United States before they turned 16 and are younger than 30, have been in the country for at least five continuous years, have no criminal history, graduated from a U.S. high school or earned a GED, or served in the military. They also can apply for a work permit that will be good for two years with no limits on how many times it can be renewed.

After looking over the requirements, Vargas, who in the last 11 months has transitioned from being a journalist to an immigration reform advocate, tweeted:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/06/why-hasnt-jose-antonio-vargas-been-deported/53560/

The new policy does not lead to citizenship, however, it does allow younger immigrants to work legally in the U.S. and removes the threat of deportation—a threat Vargas wrote extensively about in his cover story for Time published yesterday:

I spend every day wondering what, if anything, the government plans to do with me … Before I came out, the question always at the top of my mind was, What will happen if people find out? Afterward, the question changed to What happens now? It seemed I had traded a largely hidden undocumented life in limbo for an openly undocumented life that’s still in limbo.

Obviously though, given that the new changes will affect an estimated 800,000 immigrants, this isn’t a day that Vargas will be sulking. After all, the policy change satisfies one of the main driving points of his one-year campaign. “The real political flash point is the proposed Dream Act, a decade-old immigration bill that would provide a path to citizenship for young people educated in this country,” he wrote yesterday. As many observers have already pointed out, President Obama’s new policy change is about as close to the Dream Act as you can get. If you look at the legislation, which has been held up in Congress for years, the policy is almost identical

The legislation is designed to grant legal status to illegal immigrants who came to the United States as children. To qualify under the latest version of the bill, an illegal immigrant must:

Have arrived in the U.S. before age 16
Have resided in the U.S. for five consecutive years since arriving
If male, have registered with the Selective Service .
Have graduated from an American high school, obtained a GED or been admitted to an institution of higher education

As a result, you’re likely to see nothing but smiles from Vargas today

Update: You can read Vargas’s statement on the policy change here.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/06/obamas-game-changer-on-young-illegal-immigrants/258550/
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http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/06/new-immigration-policy-wont-save-jose-antonio-vargas/53602/

Vargas Twitter:

http://twitter.com/#!/joseiswriting

canopfor on June 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2012 at 8:36/37 PM

There are times when I feel as if we’re the citizens in a Tom Clancy novel who may notice some weird things happening, but who aren’t involved in the details of the action. IOW, one of those chapters when POTUS begins doing a meltdown.

INC on June 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I don’t think this will help Obama very much. There is a segment of Latino voters who agree with this but there are other segments of the Latino community who really don’t appreciate Obama flooding the job market with cheap labor to compete for their jobs, especially those citizens who immigrated legally. Also, let’s not forget that the illegal immigrants who this will affect can’t legally vote.

Dollayo on June 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

r keller on June 16, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Lourdes on June 16, 2012 at 8:23 PM

This is a great counter to Sam: Associated Press Flashback: “Why Do Grown Men And Women Shout At President Reagan?”

“…but they say the blame rests with (President Ronald) Reagan and his aides, who have sharply curtailed opportunities to engage the president under more civil circumstances.”

Hat tip to Newsbusters for digging that one up from pre-internet days.

slickwillie2001 on June 16, 2012 at 9:30 PM

That now explains Obama’s interest in saving these Lost Genius Better Than Americans 30 year old “children”.

Lourdes on June 16, 2012 at 8:25 PM

LOL! Bravo! :-)

Punchenko on June 16, 2012 at 9:38 PM

No undocumented alien is going to sign up for this before he knows the outcome of the election. This is a directive that can easily be rescinded by another President, might be blocked by a court injunction, and it puts him and his parents on a very handy list for the future. This is political theater, and people who survive by staying out of the spotlight are going to stay out of the spotlight.

Bingo.

goflyers on June 16, 2012 at 10:25 PM

This should be great for the economy, after OBLahBlah gives em work permits and Thumpka Unionizes them you rich folks will have to pay triple for your Lawn Boys, pool boys , maids, and house keepers stimulating the economy!
Also these will be counted as green jobs cause they will have green cards!

Someone think up a name for this formerly off the books new union?

Just a little wealth Redistribtin from you rich folk to Obamas Catch, release, vote, crowd!

ConcealedKerry on June 16, 2012 at 10:56 PM

The idea that Obama would do anything to inflate the unemployment rate is bizarre.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Insane Moby.

tetriskid on June 16, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Insane Moby.

tetriskid on June 16, 2012 at 10:58 PM

LOL- Now it’s unanimous!

Night Owl on June 16, 2012 at 11:26 PM

As Big A Hit As NAFTA

Where are the Michael Moore films on unemployment? If that had more to do with capitalist exploitation of “his town” of Flint, MI, I can think of others.

There is the 2005 flick, American Jobs (Netflix has it) which was pretty lathered up about the misuse of “L1″ visas in the software industry. See, they were bringing in Indian workers and just jettisoning the Americans in places like Washington state. Now, if we were going to toss people with papers and a large corp standing behind them for taking a job, what do we do to illegals?

BTW, when they passed NAFTA, there was an idea that it would bring untold prosperity to Old Mexico. Many of the plants were built in Juarez. The mostly female employees live in squalor while the males are out in the enforcement and amputation biz.

IlikedAUH2O on June 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

what about the 1 million “legal” immigrants that pour into our US workforce every year? That courtesy of both the Republicans and the democrats? Its insane!! DD

Darvin Dowdy on June 16, 2012 at 11:58 PM

It must be chilly in the white house lately, he keeps throwing rolled up American flags on the fire.

I thought carter was a dummy, and I was a pre-teen at the time. odumbo makes carter look like George Washington.

Wolfmoon on June 17, 2012 at 1:51 AM

And I’ve yet to meet anyone whose race was “illegal alien”.

Lourdes on June 16, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Here in LA, they are almost all Hispanic. And Catholic. And either/both of those attributes have set off storms on Hot Air before.

unclesmrgol on June 17, 2012 at 1:58 AM

And people like you who can’t think long-term and understand how sneaky that crowd can be are the reason why Obama was elected in the first place.
joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Joana, these immature babies on here are trying to do to you what they tried to do with petunia. They gang up and spit out childish, dehumanizing insults. As you’ve probably noticed, their behavior makes them look foolish and pathetic, more than anything. They’re just lame regulars who can’t cope with different views. You almost have to pity them.

bluegill on June 17, 2012 at 3:46 AM

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:24 PM

bluegill on June 17, 2012 at 3:46 AM

Yeah, thousands of Hot Air commenters are nuts, and the two of you are the sane, rational ones-LOL. You both could do with a little introspection. I bet your real life relationships are just as filled with confrontation as your interactions here. Or to put it another way, the people in your real lives probably find you both just as annoying and vapid as the people here do.

Night Owl on June 17, 2012 at 7:09 AM

Or to put it another way, the people in your real lives probably find you both just as annoying and vapid as the people here do.

Night Owl on June 17, 2012

Sigh. Is this third grade? Night Owl, can you try taking a break from your personal squabbling for once, and stick to the issues? Sorry that it bothers you so much to hear opposing views. Lighten up.

bluegill on June 17, 2012 at 7:39 AM

Sigh. Is this third grade? Night Owl, can you try taking a break from your personal squabbling for once, and stick to the issues? Sorry that it bothers you so much to hear opposing views. Lighten up.

bluegill on June 17, 2012 at 7:39 AM

I rest my case. It isn’t that your views are opposing, it is your snotty, childish, self-righteous, boring, obnoxious delivery of them. I am not the one commiserating with the other vapid idiot who comes to this site about how everyone but you has a problem. Normal people, when confronted with the reality that no one seems to like them would maybe think, hmm, I wonder if I am doing something wrong? Not you two, you blame the rest of the world. Trust me honey, I am not the one who needs to lighten up.

As to the topic, Romney responded pretty much as I expected he would.

Night Owl on June 17, 2012 at 7:48 AM

Hey y’all.

Does the WaPo think 800,000 illegals have been living off their parents, chilling at home for the last ten years or so?

I guarandamntee ya they have been “fully” employed, doing the jobs Americans won’t do. (Well, Americans won’t do it for the chump change the illegals get for doing the same work.)

BigAlSouth on June 17, 2012 at 8:21 AM

Why do you let so many threads die after you present your data and/or open ended argument?

rogerb on June 14, 2012 at 11:37 PM

 
Which threads are those?

libfreeordie on June 14, 2012 at 11:44 PM

rogerb on June 17, 2012 at 8:36 AM

Obama has a complete disregard for the law and the Constitution. He should remind himself that train runs in both directions on the same track.

rplat on June 17, 2012 at 8:40 AM

Adding more people to a job force when there are not enough jobs necessarily adds more people on the dole. The left’s thinking is that people permanently on government support is a great thing since it gives them more reliable votes. So you see, trashing the economy is in line with the Democratic party’s interests.

BryanS on June 17, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Joana and Bluegill against the world.

Simply precious.

kingsjester on June 17, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Who cares what the permits do to the economy. It’s free lunch time for everyone. Get it while it last.

bgibbs1000 on June 17, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Also, let’s not forget that the illegal immigrants who this will affect can’t legally vote.

Dollayo on June 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

They also couldn’t legally take up residence in the U.S. — but they did it anyway, didn’t they?

What makes you think they’ll let the law stand in their way when it comes to voting?

AZCoyote on June 17, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Why does this President care about jobs for foreigners? Let Mexico take care of Mexicans. Obama is facilitating the colonization of this country by Mexicans.

Nozzle on June 17, 2012 at 9:33 AM

A chilling article:
http://nationaljournal.com/columns/political-connections/just-like-the-gipper-20120614

Romney needs to win by Reagan margins with whites to have a chance of winning the election. Considering Obama’s advantage with college educated women, he needs to over-perform Reagan with the rest of the whites.

Gingrich and Perry were right on this: sooner or later, probably sooner rather than later, the GOP needs to start getting a larger share of the minority vote. There are too many left-leaning whites to win national elections based on the strength amongst them.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Within a generation (if not sooner) we will see the GOP lose the ability to ever compete again in a national election.

God help us.

JFS61 on June 17, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Wait, am I to understand;
- The Obama Administration is saying this affects 800,000 illegal immigrants

- The WaPo article says 1.4 million and notes it is “amnesty”

- Today I am hearing it could be 3 times the 800,000 if past amnesty programs are any measure. That is due to people who will cross the border to apply and will try to fraudulently fulfill the so-called requirements.

Where is all this money for the program coming from? What is the total cost to the American people?

Why should people who are not citizens jump the line for college and jobs and take those opportunities from American citizens?

Marcus Traianus on June 17, 2012 at 9:51 AM

A move like this might have made sense in 2005-6, when the civilian participation rate in the workforce was near its all-time high (around 66.2% at that time), with unemployment in the 5% range, and labor so tight that hourly wages on entry level positions were constantly rising.

Ed Morrissey

Granting privileges to illegals NEVER makes sense.

Unbelievable.

This is what you get when a conservative tries to look compassionate and ‘accommodating.’

You get a squish.

fossten on June 17, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Black, Latino and other minority citizens hardest hit.

petefrt on June 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

A chilling article:
http://nationaljournal.com/columns/political-connections/just-like-the-gipper-20120614

Romney needs to win by Reagan margins with whites to have a chance of winning the election. Considering Obama’s advantage with college educated women, he needs to over-perform Reagan with the rest of the whites.

Gingrich and Perry were right on this: sooner or later, probably sooner rather than later, the GOP needs to start getting a larger share of the minority vote. There are too many left-leaning whites to win national elections based on the strength amongst them.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Within a generation (if not sooner) we will see the GOP lose the ability to ever compete again in a national elections.
God help us.

JFS61 on June 17, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Nah. The GOP will start getting a larger percentage of the minorities vote – we don’t even need to change policies, just to do to these freaks like MadisonConservative, INC, Lourdes et al what Goldwater, Buckley and Russell Kirk did to the Birchers back in the 60s.

joana on June 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

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