WaPo wonders: What will hundreds of thousands of job permits do to the economy?

posted at 11:01 am on June 16, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I asked the same question in an update to Erika’s post on Barack Obama’s unilateral move to accommodate young illegal immigrants by refusing to deport them and issue them temporary work permits instead.  With potentially as many as 800,000 new workers flooding into the system, what happens to the millions of Americans who can’t find work now?  The Washington Post wonders the same thing, and more:

President Obama has just opened a floodgate of opportunity for young illegal immigrants in the United States, but could it squeeze the aspirations of legal Americans in the process? …

Under the new policy, as many as 1.4 million undocumented immigrants under age 30 will be able to apply for the amnesty, allowing them to work and attend college legally. To be eligible, they must have been in the United States for five years, have no criminal record, and attend high school or college or be a military veteran.

The policy does not provide permanent legal residency, but it protects those who qualify from being deported and gives them a chance to renew their new status every two years. It also does not grant any public benefits, such as Medicare and Medicaid. Federal law already grants all undocumented immigrants the right to a public-school education and emergency hospital care.

The new policy could entail additional costs for administration and enforcement, however, and put pressure on state systems of higher education to meet growing demand for slots.

A move like this might have made sense in 2005-6, when the civilian participation rate in the workforce was near its all-time high (around 66.2% at that time), with unemployment in the 5% range, and labor so tight that hourly wages on entry level positions were constantly rising. American businesses would have welcomed a larger pool of legal workers and the competition wouldn’t have put others out of work or forced them to work for significantly less money.  People would have opposed it for other reasons, but economically speaking, it wouldn’t have had a tremendously negative impact, at least not in the short term.

But now?  We’re not creating enough jobs to keep up with population growth as it is.  With this new policy in place, Obama will introduce hundreds of thousands of suddenly-eligible workers into an economy with an 8.2% nominal unemployment rate, a 14.8% U-6 un/underemployed rate, with a civilian participation rate that has plummeted from 65.7% at the start of the Obama recovery in June 2009 (the same as it was when he took office, too) to 63.8%, lower than it was when Reagan faced his first midterm election.  Those who are already struggling to find jobs are not only going to face more competition for those slots, the glut of labor will depress entry-level wages even further.

Don’t make the mistake of dismissing the short-term benefits of this move for Barack Obama.  When a chief executive “takes the bull by the horns” and acts in a strong manner, he will usually get rewarded with a bump upward in approval and support.  Americans like to see leaders lead, which is the reason incumbent Presidents have such an advantage in re-election efforts.  It’s also no secret that the Latino community had grown angry with the increased rate of deportations in the Obama administration, and this will heal a breach that Obama can’t afford in November.  But this has a large potential for backfire — and if jobs reports this summer continue the downward trend we’ve been seeing this year, those 23 million Americans who already feel locked out of the economy will be asking the same question the Post does this morning.


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ernesto!

Where have you been? We have some new trolls for you to bond with, although they really aren’t in the same class as you and crr6.

And I see you are making even less sense than usual. So I presume all is well with you.

novaculus on June 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM

1. This group = Dreamers. Not young Hispanics. As I said, the unemployment rate among this group is lower than among their counterparts (young Hispanics).

Come off it. The vast majority of the DREAMERS would be young Hispanics.

2. You’re aware what this does is to allow illegal immigrants to obtain legal residence status if they join the army, right? That it’s one of the basic features of the entire DREAM thingie? How it is now is irrelevant: this will allow them to enlist for the Army and obtain legal residence as they do so. They won’t be serving as illegals because once they start serving, they’ll already have the permit.

Basic features of DREAM would be that path of military service would lead to citizenship. Again, how does this relate to having a lower unemployment for this group?

Your entire premise was that the group affected had a lower unemployment rate, which again, is not true.

sentinelrules on June 16, 2012 at 1:32 PM

let’s say these young people come put, demonstrate they have been brought in ilegally by fheir parens, when they were children, and while proving this, they put their gamily at risk of being deported….

jimver on June 16, 2012 at 1:14 PM

But, of course we can’t deport the mother/father, etc. of one of these people.

So this effectively means that millions of illegals will be covered by Obama’s lawbreaking.

faraway on June 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Yes, we ca,n, given that most of these ‘dreamers’ are of age and not in their parent’s care …the only way you can’t deport fhe parents is if the children are minor and in their care….at least this is my understanding…it is also true that most likely a lot of these illegal oldies have a few other anchor children (minor) apart from the young adult ones…

jimver on June 16, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Come off it. The vast majority of the DREAMERS would be young Hispanics.

Yeps. A sub-group of young Hispanics though. One that has a very low unemployment rate due to their specific characteristics.

Basic features of DREAM would be that path of military service would lead to citizenship. Again, how does this relate to having a lower unemployment for this group?

Your entire premise was that the group affected had a lower unemployment rate, which again, is not true.

sentinelrules on June 16, 2012 at 1:32 PM

You’re wrong. The path to citizenship was from the original DREAM act. This EO follows Rubio’s bill, in which there is no path to citizenship.

What it gives is legal resident status to young illegal immigrants (brought here as kids, no criminal record, etc.) who pledge to serve in the military. Obviously, any unemployed illegal immigrant – and even the employed ones – will jump on this.

So, almost all of those benefiting from this will either be a) still in school (don’t count as unemployed) b) enrolled in college (don’t count as unemployed) c) enlisted in the military (don’t count as unemployed).

joana on June 16, 2012 at 1:37 PM

But, of course we can’t deport the mother/father, etc. of one of these people.

So this effectively means that millions of illegals will be covered by Obama’s lawbreaking.

faraway on June 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Why not?

joana on June 16, 2012 at 1:38 PM

But, of course we can’t deport the mother/father, etc. of one of these people.

So this effectively means that millions of illegals will be covered by Obama’s lawbreaking.

faraway on June 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Why not?

joana on June 16, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Close your eyes and imagine with me…. you are watching CBS News (wait, bear with me)… they are showing the screaming mother and aunts being dragged by the hair (not actually shown on screen) by Sheriff Joe…

faraway on June 16, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Theoretically, though odds are they already have those jobs.

Steve Eggleston on June 16, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Literally speaking, they don’t. I have been elated to see Americans on the job here in FL. All the Mexicans left after they poisoned our homes with Chinese drywall and faulty construction.

Urkel just opened the door again.

Key West Reader on June 16, 2012 at 1:49 PM

So, almost all of those benefiting from this will either be a) still in school (don’t count as unemployed) b) enrolled in college (don’t count as unemployed) c) enlisted in the military (don’t count as unemployed).

joana on June 16, 2012 at 1:37 PM

the Military takes illegals?

Key West Reader on June 16, 2012 at 1:51 PM

You’re wrong. The path to citizenship was from the original DREAM act. This EO follows Rubio’s bill, in which there is no path to citizenship.

Obama didn’t sign an EO. It was a policy directive issued by Janet Napolitano, issued at Obama’s behest, obviously.

The change was not imposed by executive order. Instead, it effectively extends an existing policy of “prosecutorial discretion,” in which immigration officials last year were instructed to prioritize the removal of felons, repeat border crossers and others considered to be security risks.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/us-will-stop-deporting-some-illegal-immigrants-who-came-here-as-children/2012/06/15/gJQANBbseV_story_1.html

And, it only covers illegals who were brought to the country prior to the age of 16 — not 30. The person must have come to the US before the age of 16 through no fault of his own, stayed for 5 consecutive years, finished high school or obtained an equivalent diploma and/or served in the military, and have a clean criminal record.

Resist We Much on June 16, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Why not?

joana on June 16, 2012 at 1:38 PM

You can take them in. Or do you thik that teenagers can live under a bridge.

katy the mean old lady on June 16, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2012 at 1:17 PM

I agree but when do we say no more? Impeachment will surely fail as did Clinton’s. I just can’t believe this is happening w/o any major blowback, yet. Selective law enforcement is bad now and will be worse tomorrow.

I’m off to a graduation party and will be praying for the next generation.

Kstag on June 16, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Yeps. A sub-group of young Hispanics though. One that has a very low unemployment rate due to their specific characteristics.

Nope, since they are both Hispanic and Age 16-30, the unemployment rate would be higher than 8.2%.

What it gives is legal resident status to young illegal immigrants (brought here as kids, no criminal record, etc.) who pledge to serve in the military. Obviously, any unemployed illegal immigrant – and even the employed ones – will jump on this.

Rubio hasn’t even presented a bill yet, so that’s another fallacy.

And how can you say in one post that this is a basic feature of the DREAM act and then say it’s not?

I mean, really?

sentinelrules on June 16, 2012 at 1:59 PM

So, almost all of those benefiting from this will either be a) still in school (don’t count as unemployed) b) enrolled in college (don’t count as unemployed) c) enlisted in the military (don’t count as unemployed).

joana on June 16, 2012 at 1:37 PM

the Military takes illegals?

Key West Reader on June 16, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Nope, you have to be at least a permanent resident and then after serving a certain numbers of years (not sure now many), they are eligible for citizenship, often times through an expedited process…there is a particular USCIS office located in Nebraska that deals exclusively with this particular category, military and military dependents of foreign origin that are permanent residents and on their way to acquire citizenship….

jimver on June 16, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Just checked the Santa Fe NM paper . Gov Martinez isn’t all that thrilled with this amnesty .
What really surprised me were the comments . Most folks pretty peed off at odumbo !
Santa Fe is a very , very , very liberal area ( as is all of northern NM ) so colour me shocked !
I still think there’s another sock to drop or it’s another shiny squrell !

Lucano on June 16, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Why not?

joana on June 16, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Close your eyes and imagine with me…. you are watching CBS News (wait, bear with me)… they are showing the screaming mother and aunts being dragged by the hair (not actually shown on screen) by Sheriff Joe…

faraway on June 16, 2012 at 1:42 PM

That’s just liberal talking points.

Enforcement by attrition.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Squirrel that is .

Lucano on June 16, 2012 at 2:03 PM

President Obama has just opened a floodgate AT THE BORDER of opportunity for young illegal immigrants in the United States, but could and it WILL squeeze the aspirations of legal Americans in the process. …

Fixed.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 2:04 PM

That’s just liberal talking points.

Enforcement by attrition.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Dadgum, you’re crazy.

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 2:04 PM

So, almost all of those benefiting from this will either be a) still in school (don’t count as unemployed) b) enrolled in college (don’t count as unemployed) c) enlisted in the military (don’t count as unemployed).

joana on June 16, 2012 at 1:37 PM

the Military takes illegals?

Key West Reader on June 16, 2012 at 1:51 PM

As I’ve explained multiple times, no. Not now. They will take illegal immigrants that become legalized through this. It’s amazing you need to ask that. Did you read the post?

joana on June 16, 2012 at 2:05 PM

doesn’t a work permit allow them to vote in city/county elections in places?
thought there were laws passed in some localities over that last year.

dmacleo on June 16, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Nope, since they are both Hispanic and Age 16-30, the unemployment rate would be higher than 8.2%.

But that includes citizens and legal immigrants.

What you can’t understand is that Nyoung illegal immigrants have higher employment rates than their counterparts. It makes sense though: 99% illegal immigrants have that status for economic reasons. That’s why the immigration rate has gone downhill since the recession started and currently there are more Latinos leaving the country than coming in. Why are you going to be an illegal immigrant if you don’t even have a job? Why do people want harsher penalties to employers and E-Verify? Because without jobs, they go back to their countries. This seems pretty easy to understand, no?

Rubio hasn’t even presented a bill yet, so that’s another fallacy.

And how can you say in one post that this is a basic feature of the DREAM act and then say it’s not?

I mean, really?

sentinelrules on June 16, 2012 at 1:59 PM

It’s been announced and explained multiple times that Rubio’s bill includes no path to citizenship. I’m not going to insult you by suggesting you aren’t aware of this.

You seem very confused. The basic feature I mentioned is giving legal resident status to immigrants who commit to serve in the military.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM

As soon as they get a driver’s license at the DMV, they can vote.

ProudPalinFan on June 16, 2012 at 2:13 PM

What you can’t understand is that Nyoung illegal immigrants have higher employment rates than their counterparts. It makes sense though: 99% illegal immigrants have that status for economic reasons. That’s why the immigration rate has gone downhill since the recession started and currently there are more Latinos leaving the country than coming in. Why are you going to be an illegal immigrant if you don’t even have a job? Why do people want harsher penalties to employers and E-Verify? Because without jobs, they go back to their countries. This seems pretty easy to understand, no?

Copy and pasting your prior posts doesn’t change the fact that this group affected by the EO does have a higher unemployment rate than the general population.

It’s been announced and explained multiple times that Rubio’s bill includes no path to citizenship. I’m not going to insult you by suggesting you aren’t aware of this.

Why should I be insulted? You said this EO was a basic tenent of the DREAM ACT and then say it’s not, but part of Rubio’s bill, which a pre-formal version hasn’t been even written.

So, either you’re confused or just trying to change the argument to fit your narrative.

sentinelrules on June 16, 2012 at 2:14 PM

In fact, I strongly suspect that no work permit will be warrant to those who are unemployed or don’t have a high employability rate (degrees from good colleges, military).

joana on June 16, 2012 at 12:19 PM

!. You wouldn’t know a fact if it slapped you across the face.
2. Who deems which illegal alien has a high employability rate?
3. Who deems which colleges are ‘good’ colleges?

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 2:14 PM

i’m sorry, but i don’t quite get this question. The DoL conducts a monthly household survey where they ask various questions about the members of the household (working, retired, looking for work, tired of looking for work…etc.)

and they then tabulate the results. So…these people are already here…so statistically they are in the data somewhere. Where?

well, my quess is that some work, some live with friends, parents, spouse…etc.)

Now, the only effect would be at the margins…i.e. small effect either way

r keller on June 16, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Close your eyes and imagine with me…. you are watching CBS News (wait, bear with me)… they are showing the screaming mother and aunts being dragged by the hair (not actually shown on screen) by Sheriff Joe…

faraway on June 16, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Close your eyes and imagine with me…an out of work father having to tell their kiddo, sorry, we cannot afford to send you to college because I now have to compete with a million more people that are not even supposed to be here for the scarce jobs that are available under this president’s reign. Imagine a mom and dad staying up late, a pile of bills on their table, trying to make ends meet because they were laid off or cannot find work, but they are still trying to stay out of foreclosure, now having to compete with a million people that are not even supposed to be here for the scarce jobs that are available under this idiot’s reign. Imagine a mom, who lost her husband in Iraq, working two jobs, needing a third, to put food on her table for her kids that are already hurting from losing their dad, not able to get that third job because she has to compete with the million more people that are not supposed to be here for the scarce jobs that are available under this pandering fool’s reign.
I care about American citizens first. Let the million people that shouldn’t be here blame their parents for breaking the law when they are ALL sent packing back to their home countires.
We are the most generous country in the world when it comes to immigration. Get in line, wait your turn, and get the heck out of our country.
Btw, way to fall for the liberal agenda. They are told to scream and freak out for the cameras by La Raza, idiot.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 2:23 PM

How can they go into the military when Oblamo has cut the defense budget? He’s not creating jobs for the almost legals or openings in the services. Is the bureau of labor statistics going to count these new unemployed almost legals or will the percentage unexpectedly go down a notch next week.

Kissmygrits on June 16, 2012 at 2:26 PM

It’s been announced and explained multiple times that Rubio’s bill includes no path to citizenship. I’m not going to insult you by suggesting you aren’t aware of this.

You seem very confused. The basic feature I mentioned is giving legal resident status to immigrants who commit to serve in the military.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM

From the Tampa Bay Times:

Sen. Marco Rubio’s plan for alternate Dream Act lacks details

By Alex Leary, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Thursday, June 14, 2012

WASHINGTON — It’s one of the most hyped bills on Capitol Hill, and it doesn’t even exist.

Three months after U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio revealed he was working on an alternative to the Dream Act, triggering a gusher of positive news coverage, he has yet to produce a written proposal.

The delay is raising expectations but also underscores the political challenge facing the Florida Republican and could elevate cynicism that it is an election-year effort to win Hispanic votes. What is certain is time is running out to do something this year, a reality Rubio acknowledged Wednesday.

“He gets all this sweet press and we haven’t seen word one. It is getting a little frustrating,” said Frank Sharry, executive director of America’s Voice, an immigration reform group that has been receptive to the idea, which would grant legal status to some children of illegal immigrants.

“I don’t doubt his sincerity,” said Ali Noorani of the National Immigration Forum, “but the benchmark here is legislation. It would be good to see what kind of support he has.”

Rubio said in an interview that he understands the anxiety and hopes to have something soon, but he did not offer a time line or reveal the depth of support he has been able to muster.

“What we want to make sure is we have answers to all the questions, that when we propose this, it’s not something that immediately people can start attacking,” he said. “This is important legislation; it has to be done the right way.”

The broad proposal calls for creating nonimmigrant visas for some children of illegal immigrants who have completed high school and are in college. A primary difference with the Dream Act is that it does not create a special pathway to citizenship, which critics view as amnesty.

But many specifics are unknown. It seems plausible the unnamed proposal would cover students brought to the United States when they were young kids, but what about those who were of legal adult age? Rubio said he’s trying to determine if it will cost any money and how long a visa would last.

More significantly, he has to contend with the contentious push and pull of immigration policy. Some say the plan does not go far enough; some say it goes too far and have been trying to undercut Rubio’s effort. Numbers USA, a group that says illegal immigrants take jobs from citizens, has been faxing and calling Republican senators to dissuade them.

You keep blabbering on and on about this Rubio bill, which has not even been put to paper. There ARE NO SPECIFICS!!!!! There is now a report from a source close to Senator Rubio, that he may not introduce the bill.

And, your lies about Numbers USA seem to be like everything else you post. Lies.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Just checked the Santa Fe NM paper . Gov Martinez isn’t all that thrilled with this amnesty .

Lucano on June 16, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Susana Martinez would make a much better VP candidate than Marco Rubio.

bw222 on June 16, 2012 at 2:34 PM

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 2:32 PM

I see it’s back with the same misquotes, misinformation and untruths. Now where did you put that duct tape?

TxAnn56 on June 16, 2012 at 2:39 PM

joana on June 16, 2012 at 12:19 PM

!. You wouldn’t know a fact if it slapped you across the face.
2. Who deems which illegal alien has a high employability rate?
3. Who deems which colleges are ‘good’ colleges?

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Her reply?

“O’bama went to a Good College. Sarah Palin didn’t!”

Del Dolemonte on June 16, 2012 at 2:41 PM

So, Joana, you’ve been filibustering for 24 hours on this website about a bill by Rubio that doesn’t even exist?

The word delusional doesn’t even begin to cover it.

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Just checked the Santa Fe NM paper . Gov Martinez isn’t all that thrilled with this amnesty .

Lucano on June 16, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Susana Martinez would make a much better VP candidate than Marco Rubio.

bw222 on June 16, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Susana Martinez has been working to repeal the law that allows NM to issue driver’s licenses to illegal aliens. It has been known for years that northern NM has had a problem with illegal aliens voting in elections, since there is a motor voter law here.
Many of the licenses issued to suspected illegal aliens were found to have false addresses or addresses for businesses, but nothing can be done with a liberal state congress.
Now, there are reports that her grandparents came to the country illegally, so she probably wouldn’t be the best choice this year.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 2:45 PM

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 2:32 PM

I see it’s back with the same misquotes, misinformation and untruths. Now where did you put that duct tape?

TxAnn56 on June 16, 2012 at 2:39 PM

It’s next to the watermelon bazil brought in last night. :)

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Lifelong California Democrat Victor Davis Hanson checks in:

Legally, President Obama has reiterated the principle that he can pick and choose which U.S. laws he wishes to enforce (see his decision to reverse the order of the Chrysler creditors, his decision not to enforce the Defense of Marriage Act, and his administration’s contempt for national-security confidentiality and Senate and House subpoenas to the attorney general). If one individual can decide to exempt nearly a million residents from the law — when he most certainly could not get the law amended or repealed through proper legislative or judicial action — then what can he not do? Obama is turning out to be the most subversive chief executive in terms of eroding U.S. law since Richard Nixon.

-snip-

Economically, why would we formalize nearly a million new legally authorized workers when unemployment is approaching its 41st consecutive month over 8 percent — especially when Democrats used to label 5.4 percent unemployment as a “jobless recovery”? Here in California, the slowing of illegal immigration, due mostly to the fence and tough times, has led to steep wage hikes for entry-level and farm labor, and given a little more clout to Americans in so-called unskilled-labor fields. In other words, it really is true that the real beneficiaries of border enforcement are low-paid Hispanic-Americans and African-Americans who become more valued when they are not competing with virtually unlimited numbers of illegal-alien workers.

-snip-

Obama most certainly did not like the way the United States operated for the last 30 or so years, and has tried his best, through hook or crook, to change America in ways that simply were not possible through legislative or even judicial action. Give the president credit. He has thrown down the gauntlet and essentially boasted: This is my vision of the way the new America should work — and if you don’t like it, try stopping me in November, if you dare.

Read the whole thing here

Del Dolemonte on June 16, 2012 at 2:46 PM

How can they go into the military when Oblamo has cut the defense budget?

Kissmygrits on June 16, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Good point. In fact, with the economy and lack of jobs the military has had no problem meeting in manpower requirements. Again, this is adding 800k to 1.4 million candidates that are unnecessary.

bw222 on June 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Obama just played his last card, too early. He’s not the political genius concocted by the media. In fact, you can bet that his media are scratching their collective heads and wondering WTF.

We don’t need anymore illegal aliens taking jobs. As a matter of fact, there has been reverse immigration by Mexicans to Mexico.

Key West Reader on June 16, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Even RINO Scott Brown made a stronger statement than Mitt Romney. This will only create more illegal immigration which is what the left wants.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20220616brown_slams_prezs_immigration_shift/srvc=home&position=5

Wigglesworth on June 16, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Illegal Immigration Film. They Come To America (Trailer)

Just sayin’…

Seven Percent Solution on June 16, 2012 at 2:57 PM

bw222 ,
We need Gov Martinez in NM for a little while longer .
She’s still cleaning up the mess that the crook / thief
Richardson left us ( part time NM resident ) in .
One time he asked a friend if he could ” borrow ”
a very valuable painting for the UN . I warned him ,
but alas he didn’t listen . Needless to say he never saw
the piece again . Then he came back to NM to screw
up the state !

Lucano on June 16, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Hmmmm. I’m thinking this is another unconstitutional move to be considered and struck down by the SCOTUS.

Strike two.

fogw on June 16, 2012 at 2:59 PM

And, don’t forget how inhuman it is to separate families and therefore we give the parents amnesty and work permits and further add to the unemployment rate.

polarglen on June 16, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Now, there are reports that her grandparents came to the country illegally, so she probably wouldn’t be the best choice this year.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 2:45 PM

So, my great grandfather robbed banks for the IRA to buy German weapons to fight for Irish Independence.

She would still be a far better choice than Rubio. She’s a solid conservative; he’s an opportunist.

bw222 on June 16, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Now, there are reports that her grandparents came to the country illegally, so she probably wouldn’t be the best choice this year.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 2:45 PM

So, my great grandfather robbed banks for the IRA to buy German weapons to fight for Irish Independence.

She would still be a far better choice than Rubio. She’s a solid conservative; he’s an opportunist.

bw222 on June 16, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Agreed. She’s trying to right a wrong. Just pointing out the obvious path of the media to ignore all else except that she admitted that her paternal grandparents were illegal.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 3:14 PM

And as AZ gov asked : Who will pay for health care ?
Oh , silly me , I forgot it’s free .

Lucano on June 16, 2012 at 3:16 PM

“Let’s be clear,
This is not amnesty.
This is not immunity.
This is not a path to citizenship.
It’s not a permanent fix.”

This is a pattern that I have invoked since my days in the choom game, in the socialist groups I joined in college, in the living room of a terrorist where I started my career as a politician, in the state senate, where the only subject I showed any amount of interest was the bill that would not allow doctors to save the life of a baby during a botched abortion, otherwise voting present, where I went around the world and apologized to every enemy for America and her greatness, where I have destroyed the economy, destroyed the private sector, where I have destroyed the USA’s standing in the world and bowed to many a dictator, where I have now put a final FU to the American citizens by allowing illegal aliens that broke the law to compete with you for jobs that are scarce because of my ineptitude.
It is the right thing to do.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Close your eyes and imagine with me…. you are watching CBS News (wait, bear with me)… they are showing the screaming mother and aunts being dragged by the hair (not actually shown on screen) by Sheriff Joe…

faraway on June 16, 2012 at 1:42 PM

It should be put up on pay perview all the money- proceeds “only” going to paying down the U.S. national debt. It would get watched globally. It would be a win- win situation. Not only do they get deported to their country of origin, but we pay down the National debt covering their deportation. 1.4 million, we are talking sequels $$$$. Lemons into Lemonade etc…

Dr Evil on June 16, 2012 at 3:29 PM

How many new jobs have we seen per month? Adjusted for the number needed to just stay even we’ve been going backwards, now we’re 800 thousand further in hole, even if we were breaking even.

What will undoubtedly be many more than a million (my guess is 2.5) who take advantage of this program, we can add years onto any job recovery this President offers.

Speakup on June 16, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Susana Martinez would make a much better VP candidate than Marco Rubio.

bw222 on June 16, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Joe Biden’s real name is Jose Bidendez. I bet you didn’t know that. It was shortened for convenience as many names have been.

slickwillie2001 on June 16, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Remember this?

I do. I remember how people in Greeley CO lined up to apply for the jobs the illegals left vacant when they were deported.

Badger40 on June 16, 2012 at 3:59 PM

“I thank God for this day. It has changed my whole life,” Jorge Acuna, 19, a college student in Silver Spring who came to the United States with his family as a child, told a cheering crowd outside the White House on Friday afternoon, minutes after Obama announced the new policy. Last spring, the community college student was nearly deported to his native Colombia. Now, under the amnesty, he will be able to pursue his degree in engineering.

So Jorge Acuna almost got deported last Spring, but “now, under the amnesty, he will be able to pursue his degree in engineering (from a community college).”

How long does Jorge need to finish a 2-year associates degree that’s not actually a “degree in engineering?”

McNinja on June 16, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Copy and pasting your prior posts doesn’t change the fact that this group affected by the EO does have a higher unemployment rate than the general population.

sentinelrules on June 16, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Again, that’s false. You seem oblivious to the fact that they’re mostly kids, college graduate and illegals – and illegals don’t stick around without jobs.

Plus, you seem to be ignore the fact that Obama simply won’t warrant work permits to those unemployed, in order to not inflate the unemployment rate.

Here’s our problem: some people in our side are well-intentioned but they’re just, well, kind of slow and very naive. Obama and guys like Axelrod plays them like a fiddle.

For example, this good folk here seems to have his heart in the right place but he’s completely unable to understand that Obama is dangerous because he has no scruples so he can simply instruct Sec. Napolitano to warrant work permits only to those who are still studying or have a job. So, no new unemployed in the labor force and a few new employed!

This is incredibly simple to understand but some folks, regardless of how patiently this is explained to them, simply can’t get it. They believe Obama plays by the same rules and will be stupid enough to add lots of unemployed to the labor force before the Election Day. Nah, not a single one. Now, if he wins, he’ll add all of them, old and young – and by giving them and their families citizenship/right to vote, not merely a temporary work permit.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 4:09 PM

I do. I remember how people in Greeley CO lined up to apply for the jobs the illegals left vacant when they were deported.

Badger40 on June 16, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Exactly. Most illegals only stay here because there are jobs available for them. There are plenty of underemployed illegals but unemployed illegals are a rarity, especially among the younger ones.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 4:11 PM

As soon as they get a driver’s license at the DMV, they can vote.

ProudPalinFan on June 16, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Which is the point of all of this.

Rational Thought on June 16, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Now, there are reports that her grandparents came to the country illegally, so she probably wouldn’t be the best choice this year.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 2:45 PM

The crazy is strong with this one.

New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez Says She Has Proof That Grandparents Weren’t Undocumented

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2011/11/14/new-mexico-gov-susana-martinez-says-has-proof-that-grandparents-werent/#ixzz1xzOXzjWR

Also, who would care if her grandparents entered the country illegally or not besides total nutjobs like you?

joana on June 16, 2012 at 4:16 PM

As soon as they get a driver’s license at the DMV, they can vote.

ProudPalinFan on June 16, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Which is the point of all of this.

Rational Thought on June 16, 2012 at 4:13 PM

I would add, too, that the GOP could put some heat on Barack with a bill requiring states to include citizenship status on driver’s licenses/state ID’s if those ID’s will be used to vote in national elections.

Rational Thought on June 16, 2012 at 4:16 PM

the glut of labor will depress entry-level wages even further.

Not if JJJr. has any say: http://newsone.com/2019993/jesse-jackson-jr-leads-the-charge-on-increasing-the-minimum-wage-to-10hour/

davidk on June 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Exactly. Most illegals only stay here because there are jobs available for them. There are plenty of underemployed illegals but illegallyunemployed illegals are a rarity, especially among the younger ones.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Redaction.

davidk on June 16, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Supposed to be:

Exactly. Most illegals only stay here because there are jobs available for them. There are plenty of illegallyunderemployed illegals but unemployed illegals are a rarity, especially among the younger ones.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Redaction.

davidk on June 16, 2012 at 4:22 PM

This EO follows Rubio’s bill, in which there is no path to citizenship.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 1:37 PM

You fool, he cleverly didn’t make it an EO.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2012 at 4:25 PM

The supreme court has already set the precedent that congress has plenary power in immigration matters. Rep. Steve King should be able to get an immediate stay to Obama’s amnesty on the strength of that alone. Obama has no power to make new law, and especially to issue visas and work permits, against the law. He may decide not to enforce the current law, which is also unconstitutional but the court would probably not issue an order trying to force him to enforce the law without lengthy proceedings. An injunction at the request of congress should be issued pretty much for the asking in regard to legalizing illegal immigrants by executive fiat.

jaime on June 16, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Obama’s 100th Golf Round

Obama Putters As Economy Sputters

The story of a Presidential First Term in Golf Outtings

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/14/obamas-100th-golf-round/

mountainaires on June 16, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Almost exactly 5 years ago (June 19, 2007) this very same Washington Compost sniffed that Bush going around Congress in this very same way was evidence that, and I quote, the “Administration has ignored laws.”

Of course they will hold O’bama to the same high standard.

/

Del Dolemonte on June 16, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Again, that’s false. You seem oblivious to the fact that they’re mostly kids, college graduate and illegals – and illegals don’t stick around without jobs.

I know it’s false, but yet you made the claim that those affected by the EO have a lower unemployment rate than the general population. So, you acknowledge you made a falsehood with that statement.

As for the rest of your post, it’s so off-tangent, I can only say

“what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

sentinelrules on June 16, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Now, there are reports that her grandparents came to the country illegally, so she probably wouldn’t be the best choice this year.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 2:45 PM

The crazy is strong with this one.

New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez Says She Has Proof That Grandparents Weren’t Undocumented

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2011/11/14/new-mexico-gov-susana-martinez-says-has-proof-that-grandparents-werent/#ixzz1xzOXzjWR

Also, who would care if her grandparents entered the country illegally or not besides total nutjobs like you?

joana on June 16, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Crazy always trumps ignorant and delusional. Besides, what does it matter. If they were under 16 when they broke the law, still children at age 30, by all means, come on in and take the scarce jobs that are available.
You make Meghan McCain look like a Mensa candidate, ignorance. So, have you found that Rubio Dream bill yet? I think it might be next to your toilet paper.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 4:37 PM

This EO follows Rubio’s bill, in which there is no path to citizenship.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 1:37 PM

You fool, he cleverly didn’t make it an EO.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Shhh. She’ll call you crazy as you make her final two braincells explode.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Makes you wonder just how much strong-arming La Raza, et al were doing.

Remember, Obama is not getting the same financial support for his campaign this time around. And, the pro-illegal alien groups (i.e. troublemakers) have not kept silent about not getting what they want.

Threats were not good enough. I bet you that huge sums of monetary support were being held back, and blackmail was on the table.

Are all of those legal immigrants, who waited patiently, spent thousands of dollars and filled out endless miles of paperwork going to get any recompense, reimbursements, or compensation?

Should the rest of those non-illegal aliens just stop the immigration process?

This is all so pathetic. What a disgrace this potus is.

so-notbuyingit on June 16, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Obama’s 100th Golf Round

Obama Putters As Economy Sputters

The story of a Presidential First Term in Golf Outtings

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/14/obamas-100th-golf-round/

mountainaires on June 16, 2012 at 4:30 PM

“The next time President Obama hits the links, it will be his 100th round of golf since coming to the White House. That’s quite a milestone in just 3 1/2 years. As it takes him about six hours to drive to the greens and complete 18 holes, Mr. Obama has spent the equivalent of four months’ worth of work time golfing. Meanwhile, the U.S. economy has been stuck in a sand trap.”

Comedy Gold. Maybe I should be calling him ‘President Jackass Subpar McDowngrade.’

slickwillie2001 on June 16, 2012 at 4:43 PM

http://www.therightscoop.com/10pm-est-watch-right-online-2012-live-feed/

Just sayin’…

Seven Percent Solution on June 16, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Kstag on June 16, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Congratulations to your special graduate. I know that the stuff this man gets away with is astounding and should cause more uproar. My original remark was directed at a commenter of long standing who just visits now to complain about Hot Air and the hosts for not being outrageously outraged enough on any given subject.

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Just checked the Santa Fe NM paper. Gov Martinez isn’t all that thrilled with this amnesty .
What really surprised me were the comments . Most folks pretty peed off at odumbo !
Santa Fe is a very , very , very liberal area ( as is all of northern NM ) so colour me shocked !
I still think there’s another sock to drop or it’s another shiny squrell !

Lucano on June 16, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Not going down well in Los Angeles, either, to judge from self-proclaimed Latino call-ins to the radio talk shows (I know, I know, the plural of anecdote isn’t data). Most of them regard with skepticism or cynicism. The euphoria of the young (ah, to be 30 and “young” again) will wear off pretty quickly when they have to prove:

• they are the persons making the application
• they came to the US before the age of 16 through no fault of their own
• they haven’t left the country in the past 5 consecutive years
• they finished high school or obtained an equivalent diploma or served in the military
• they have a clean criminal record

AND THEY ARE ABLE TO PROVE IT. Birth certificates, proof of identity, proof of residency, education transcripts. Sus papeles, indocumentados, por favor. Gracias. Ya les conocemos. Estan en la lista. (Now we know who you are. You’re on the list. Your parents, too!)

Oh, and in 2 years you have to do it again. As someone pointed out on one of these threads, no one’s going to get one of these cool new work permits before November. For that matter, who knows how many will have registered under this directive before the results of the November election are known? Illegals survive by evading the law. Now they’ll comply with an easily-undone directive?

de rigueur on June 16, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Yah , and now he’ll be looking for a mulligan !

Lucano on June 16, 2012 at 5:03 PM

0bama’s Cloward-Piven Strategy by any means necessary, I’m guessing.

ProfShadow on June 16, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Exactly. Most illegals only stay here because there are jobs available for them. There are plenty of underemployed illegals but illegallyunemployed illegals are a rarity, especially among the younger ones.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Redaction.

davidk on June 16, 2012 at 4:20 PM

What?

If they’re illegal, of course they’re illegally employed.

Yet, they still have jobs.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Now, there are reports that her grandparents came to the country illegally, so she probably wouldn’t be the best choice this year.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 2:45 PM

The crazy is strong with this one.

New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez Says She Has Proof That Grandparents Weren’t Undocumented

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2011/11/14/new-mexico-gov-susana-martinez-says-has-proof-that-grandparents-werent/#ixzz1xzOXzjWR

Also, who would care if her grandparents entered the country illegally or not besides total nutjobs like you?

joana on June 16, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Crazy always trumps ignorant and delusional. Besides, what does it matter. If they were under 16 when they broke the law, still children at age 30, by all means, come on in and take the scarce jobs that are available.
You make Meghan McCain look like a Mensa candidate, ignorance. So, have you found that Rubio Dream bill yet? I think it might be next to your toilet paper.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Number of words acknowledging she was making false claims about Martinez: 0

Number of words insulting the poster that exposed her lies: the entire post

Quelle surprise!

joana on June 16, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Obozo is pandering like mad and screwing us all in the process. He must be really worried that America is gonna hand him his walking papers.

theflyonthewall on June 16, 2012 at 5:14 PM

June 15, 2012

A Bloody Taste

In “The (Ever-Expanding) War Next Door,” I highlighted an article detailing the expanding presence of Mexican drug cartels in cities throughout the U.S., and suggested that it was only a matter of time before the increasing bloodshed south of our border flowed northward.

While that sort of carnage and mayhem in our country is probably some ways off, an ABC News report, “Travel Warning for Mexico: Possible Violent ‘Retaliation’ Against Americans,” suggests that some of us may nonetheless get a taste of it very soon:

American travelers to Mexico should beware of possible violent retaliation for this week’s arrest of alleged Zetas drug cartel associates and family members inside the U.S., the U.S. State Department has warned.

Though the warning does not specify which “Transnational Criminal Organization” might engage in “anti-American” violence, on Tuesday federal authorities arrested seven alleged associates of the powerful Zetas drug cartel in New Mexico and Oklahoma for allegedly laundering millions in drug profits through breeding and racing quarterhorses in the U.S. Those arrested included Jose Trevino Morales, the brother of Zetas leaders Miguel Angel and Oscar Omar Trevino Morales, who were also indicted but remain at large in Mexico.

According to the indictment, the Zetas cartel steered drug money to Jose Trevino Morales and his wife to purchase, train and race quarterhorses. Horses owned by the Zetas’ alleged front companies competed at Ruidoso Downs in New Mexico and won lucrative races, including the $1 million All American Futurity in 2010. Some of the horses, like Morning Cartel and Coronita Cartel, had the word “cartel” in their names.

The travel warning issued Tuesday, the day of the arrests and the unsealing of the indictment, urges U.S. citizens in Mexico to be on guard. “Given the history and resources of this violent TCO, the U.S. Embassy urges U.S. citizens to maintain a low profile and a heightened sense of awareness.”

Michael Panzner at Financial Armageddon blog

mountainaires on June 16, 2012 at 5:15 PM

I don’t think this is not a valid point, but don’t you think that most of these people are working now?

I suppose it might get some people to enroll in school, or stay in school, or even join the military, but do we really think there are hundreds of thousands of 25 year old illegals just lolling about not working?

Jocon307 on June 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Yes, it’s quite possible. Why wouldn’t it NOT be? There are millions of citizens doing it so why not extrapolate that to illegals?

Or they could be engaged in illegal activities, etc, to occupy their time.

You and every other liberal/enabler seem to forget the word “illegal” and that there are channels to go through to removed that word “illegal”. Many people do it yearly. Why not these people and what makes them more special than the people in the queue who respect the law and actually do it through the appropriate channel?

You do realize that you are rewarding people who are law-breakers? Why don’t you respect the law?

kim roy on June 16, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Quelle surprise!

joana on June 16, 2012 at 5:13 PM

joana, vous êtes un imbécile arrogant.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Now, there are reports that her grandparents came to the country illegally, so she probably wouldn’t be the best choice this year.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 2:45 PM

The crazy is strong with this one.

New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez Says She Has Proof That Grandparents Weren’t Undocumented

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2011/11/14/new-mexico-gov-susana-martinez-says-has-proof-that-grandparents-werent/#ixzz1xzOXzjWR

Also, who would care if her grandparents entered the country illegally or not besides total nutjobs like you?

joana on June 16, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Crazy always trumps ignorant and delusional. Besides, what does it matter. If they were under 16 when they broke the law, still children at age 30, by all means, come on in and take the scarce jobs that are available.
You make Meghan McCain look like a Mensa candidate, ignorance. So, have you found that Rubio Dream bill yet? I think it might be next to your toilet paper.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Number of words acknowledging she was making false claims about Martinez: 0

Number of words insulting the poster that exposed her lies: the entire post

Quelle surprise!

joana on June 16, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Three days before your posted article, there was a report, based on question/answer from Gov. Martinez, that her paternal grandparents may have been indeed illegal aliens. Your article refutes that. Bravo, like you would give a damn if they were illegal or not, as long as their under 30, you say, let them stay and have been posting such drivel for the past 24 hours.
If you made sense, I would think you were a computer, but you don’t, so I know you are just a lonely, deranged idiot that likes her nanny or her gardener a little too much.
Now, about that Rubio bill, idiot. Did you find it or are you just going by the limited amount of information that Rubio has floated out there like a fart in a car?
Hmmmmmm?
Now, everyone is aware that you are an idiot, a prolific one, but still and idiot. So, my insults just join the chorus.
You’re on the wrong side of the law, no matter how you want to spin your idiocy.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Said it before. Just about all those “shovel ready” jobs were filled by illegals. They make real, home born Americans too expensive. This is just another ploy to enlarge the Democrat beholden underclass with underpaid illegals and unemployed Americans.

ironked on June 16, 2012 at 5:24 PM

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Number of words acknowledging she was making false claims about Martinez: 0

Number of words blaming someone else to excuse her lies: two sentences

Number of words insulting the poster that exposed her lies: the rest of the post

She’s really mad she got caught again.

And again: there are 15 people (guesstimating here) in this nation who wouldn’t vote for Martinez because of her grandparents or whatever. This still isn’t North Korea, Mao’s China or some mediaeval absolutist monarchy. We appreciate individuals for who they are, not for who their parents, granparents or family were. You are one of those 15 – and the others are your partners on the National Alliance.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 5:28 PM

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 5:21 PM

I think it must be hooked up to a catheter because it never leaves. Ever. And maybe it has one of the hamster type food pellet feeders when it gets hungry.

TxAnn56 on June 16, 2012 at 5:30 PM

I think it must be hooked up to a catheter because it never leaves. Ever. And maybe it has one of the hamster type food pellet feeders when it gets hungry.

TxAnn56 on June 16, 2012 at 5:30 PM

One reply = one pellet.

slickwillie2001 on June 16, 2012 at 5:32 PM

joana on June 16, 2012 at 5:28 PM

joana, vous êtes un imbécile.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2012 at 5:34 PM

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Number of words acknowledging she was making false claims about Martinez: 0

Number of words blaming someone else to excuse her lies: two sentences

Number of words insulting the poster that exposed her lies: the rest of the post

She’s really mad she got caught again.

And again: there are 15 people (guesstimating here) in this nation who wouldn’t vote for Martinez because of her grandparents or whatever. This still isn’t North Korea, Mao’s China or some mediaeval absolutist monarchy. We appreciate individuals for who they are, not for who their parents, granparents or family were. You are one of those 15 – and the others are your partners on the National Alliance.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Guess what, stupid. I live in NM. I voted for Susana, even worked the phones at headquarters. I posted the information because liberals and people like you would use it against her, regardless if it was proved false or not.
You caught nothing, but stupidity, which you are exposing all over this great blog.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 5:36 PM

OT, but Urkel sent US armed forces to Yemen.

Key West Reader on June 16, 2012 at 5:37 PM

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 5:21 PM

I think it must be hooked up to a catheter because it never leaves. Ever. And maybe it has one of the hamster type food pellet feeders when it gets hungry.

TxAnn56 on June 16, 2012 at 5:30 PM

I’m thinking they have to feed Joanna from the other end, where her brain resides.
As I said on QOTD, Joana is the first living brain donor.

HornetSting on June 16, 2012 at 5:38 PM

So, that would be 800,000 more people who are less willing to risk working for less than the minimum wage, right?

Count to 10 on June 16, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Oh, and the AFL-CIO just endorsed Urkel’s decision. 800k illegals should help them bolster their membership.

Key West Reader on June 16, 2012 at 5:39 PM

OT, but Urkel sent US armed forces to Yemen.

Key West Reader on June 16, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Syria is next. He needs a change of subject from the economy/job disaster he’s in. He only cares about himself.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2012 at 5:40 PM

joana, vous êtes un imbécile.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2012 at 5:34 PM

I’d probably go with this less formal “Tu es” since “vous etes” connotes a modicum of respect.

TxAnn56 on June 16, 2012 at 5:40 PM

So, that would be 800,000 more people who are less willing to risk working for less than the minimum wage, right?

Count to 10 on June 16, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Nah, just more official moochers, which is exactly what the Looter in Chief wants.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2012 at 5:41 PM

TxAnn56 on June 16, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Why lower yourself to her level?

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Urkel sends “his” troops into Africa

Key West Reader on June 16, 2012 at 5:43 PM

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