WaPo wonders: What will hundreds of thousands of job permits do to the economy?

posted at 11:01 am on June 16, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I asked the same question in an update to Erika’s post on Barack Obama’s unilateral move to accommodate young illegal immigrants by refusing to deport them and issue them temporary work permits instead.  With potentially as many as 800,000 new workers flooding into the system, what happens to the millions of Americans who can’t find work now?  The Washington Post wonders the same thing, and more:

President Obama has just opened a floodgate of opportunity for young illegal immigrants in the United States, but could it squeeze the aspirations of legal Americans in the process? …

Under the new policy, as many as 1.4 million undocumented immigrants under age 30 will be able to apply for the amnesty, allowing them to work and attend college legally. To be eligible, they must have been in the United States for five years, have no criminal record, and attend high school or college or be a military veteran.

The policy does not provide permanent legal residency, but it protects those who qualify from being deported and gives them a chance to renew their new status every two years. It also does not grant any public benefits, such as Medicare and Medicaid. Federal law already grants all undocumented immigrants the right to a public-school education and emergency hospital care.

The new policy could entail additional costs for administration and enforcement, however, and put pressure on state systems of higher education to meet growing demand for slots.

A move like this might have made sense in 2005-6, when the civilian participation rate in the workforce was near its all-time high (around 66.2% at that time), with unemployment in the 5% range, and labor so tight that hourly wages on entry level positions were constantly rising. American businesses would have welcomed a larger pool of legal workers and the competition wouldn’t have put others out of work or forced them to work for significantly less money.  People would have opposed it for other reasons, but economically speaking, it wouldn’t have had a tremendously negative impact, at least not in the short term.

But now?  We’re not creating enough jobs to keep up with population growth as it is.  With this new policy in place, Obama will introduce hundreds of thousands of suddenly-eligible workers into an economy with an 8.2% nominal unemployment rate, a 14.8% U-6 un/underemployed rate, with a civilian participation rate that has plummeted from 65.7% at the start of the Obama recovery in June 2009 (the same as it was when he took office, too) to 63.8%, lower than it was when Reagan faced his first midterm election.  Those who are already struggling to find jobs are not only going to face more competition for those slots, the glut of labor will depress entry-level wages even further.

Don’t make the mistake of dismissing the short-term benefits of this move for Barack Obama.  When a chief executive “takes the bull by the horns” and acts in a strong manner, he will usually get rewarded with a bump upward in approval and support.  Americans like to see leaders lead, which is the reason incumbent Presidents have such an advantage in re-election efforts.  It’s also no secret that the Latino community had grown angry with the increased rate of deportations in the Obama administration, and this will heal a breach that Obama can’t afford in November.  But this has a large potential for backfire — and if jobs reports this summer continue the downward trend we’ve been seeing this year, those 23 million Americans who already feel locked out of the economy will be asking the same question the Post does this morning.


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It does nothing…

When no one wants to hire, then what was the point of giving out the permits?

upinak on June 16, 2012 at 11:59 AM

To be eligible, they must have been in the United States for five years, have no criminal record, and attend high school or college or be a military veteran.

I have said this before on this blog, but it bears repeating, Illegal Aliens can’t join the military, period. If they are in this country “undocumented” they are prohibited from joining the military. Everyone who joins the US military needs a valid social security number.

This does not prevent undocumentd people from fradualenty joining the military. That can and does happen, and if/when they are caught, they are discharged for fradulent enlistment. There are quotas for “legal” immigrants in the country, however.

Johnnyreb on June 16, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Bad link earlier. Here ’tis.

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 12:00 PM

sicoit on June 16, 2012 at 11:46 AM

I think worrying about that makes you a double racist or something.

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2012 at 12:00 PM

young children brought into the country without proper documentation.

ernesto on June 16, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Read the order again. These “kids” can be twenty-four years old when they enter.

OldEnglish on June 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2012 at 12:00 PM

I thought it made her an American.

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Cubans are notoriously discriminatory against central/south Americans, not to mention Haitians. So that isn’t particularly surprising.

Watching Ricky Ricardo from ‘I Love Lucy’ doesn’t justify your bigotry.

Perhaps you’re also a pupil from Jeremiah Wright’s Church of Bigotry.

sentinelrules on June 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM

To be eligible, they must have been in the United States for five years

So, a 25 yo, would have been a healthy 20 yo when he raced across the border. I thought Obama was only saving suckling babes.

faraway on June 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM

So you 5 have a job opening and 2000 applications and 20 applications with a work permit card come in. If you do not hire a least one person with a work permit you will be sued for discrimination because you gave the jobs to one of the 2000.

tjexcite on June 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Why is Obama soooooooooo concerned with only Latinos,and
no one else,

In 2008 you all claimed Obama was only interested in black voters, three months ago you claimed he was only into women voters, last month you claimed Obama was only interested in gay voters, now he’s only into Latino voters. I can’t tell if you’re dumb or just have a short memory.

libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 12:03 PM

This is about preventing the deportation of the innocent American underclass illegal aliens: young children illegals brought into the country without proper documentation by their lawbreaking illegal parents.

ernesto on June 16, 2012 at 11:50 AM

There. That’s better.

IrishEi on June 16, 2012 at 12:04 PM

libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 11:49 AM

You.Are.A.Moron. Nuff said.

You thought? You overestimate yourself.

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 11:49 AM

BAMMMMMMM! :):):) I have no desire to play with these little libs. Thanks for taking over kj. You, once again are my hero!

sicoit on June 16, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Why are we all assuming that the illegals are all Latino?

Because the right has *always* used “illegals” as a means of spouting anti-Latino bigotry and when called on it said “I’m not talking about Mexicans, I’m talking about “illegals.” However, the anger that has been unleashed in the wake of Obama’s policy change has unmasked the intellectual dishonesty of that rhetorical elision. It is good, however, to see conservatives come to the realization about some of their fellows.

And the conversations about job competition also reveal the hypocrisy of the right who *loves* labor competition between U.S. citizens and non-citizens in every instance…except if the non-citizens live next door. Its pretty hilarious, also tragic.

libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM

As usually you are too stupid to comment here.. Ever heard of statistics, Obviously they are not your friend, jiudging by most of your inane postings….as much time as hou spend on wikipedia ‘researching ‘the european entitlement heavens, you might put it in researching the problems/issues that plague your own country, such as latino illeal immigration….or would that be too much to ask from a dimtard??

jimver on June 16, 2012 at 12:05 PM

If you do not hire a least one person with a work permit you will be sued for discrimination because you gave the jobs to one of the 2000.

tjexcite on June 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM

This will be easy because they will all have free cell phones which have the ‘Free Government Money’, ‘Sue Americans’, and ‘Multiple Voting Locations’ apps pre-installed.

faraway on June 16, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Oops!
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McConnell:
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Obama seeking to change First Amendment ‘an act of radicalism’ [VIDEO]
Published: 4:18 PM 06/15/2012
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http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/15/mcconnell-obama-seeking-to-change-first-amendment-an-act-of-radicalism-video/

canopfor on June 16, 2012 at 12:06 PM

It’s also no secret that the Latino community had grown angry with the increased rate of deportations in the Obama administration, and this will heal a breach that Obama can’t afford in November.

The conventional wisdom seems to be that all Latinos/Hispanics want illegal aliens to be forgiven & furthermore to be granted all the rights of legal immigrants. Is that true? Don’t any of them consider themselves Americans and want to see our laws abided by? If, say, Polish people committed a proportionally high rate of the nation’s burglaries, this would be like assuming all Polish people must want everyone to be able to burgle without punishment.

KS Rex on June 16, 2012 at 12:06 PM

I know 2 Cubans, my son-in-law and his brother, who are pizzed off, considering the years of government red-tape they’ve had to go through to gain legal status.

Flora Duh on June 16, 2012 at 11:51 AM

I have some Hispanic friends that I know are not happy.

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM

I work with an Indian guy (professional, CPA) who has about 4 more years to go to be a citizen. We were both covertly spitting nails yesterday when we heard the news.

Once these “young” 30 yr olds start coming here in droves, the anchor baby population will skyrocket even more. What the cheap labor loving GOP doesn’t get is that when (not if, but when) Texas finally turns blue a la California, the electoral math will never put another R in the WH.

TxAnn56 on June 16, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Read the order again. These “kids” can be twenty-four years old when they enter.

OldEnglish on June 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM

how do they get car seats and strollers that big across the river?…

/things peeps want to know

ted c on June 16, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Cubans are notoriously discriminatory against central/south Americans, not to mention Haitians. So that isn’t particularly surprising.

Among hispanics including but not limited to illegals, there is a hierarchy of discrimination, intra-hispanic discrimination. Hispanic comedians have made some hilarious routines about this.

At the top of the hierarchy as I recall would be real South Americans like Colombians, Mexicans in the middle, Haitians at the bottom. Don’t recall where Cubans fall.

I’ve known Mexican-Americans in business that simply deny Mexican heritage, and claim something else higher on ‘the list’. Other hispanics told me the truth when they were not around.

slickwillie2001 on June 16, 2012 at 12:07 PM

canopfor on June 16, 2012 at 11:57 AM

:)

sicoit on June 16, 2012 at 12:07 PM

WaPo wonders: What will hundreds of thousands of job permits do to the economy?

Are you kidding? It’s obvious: Obama’s Illegal Job Permits will boost the GDP and vastly decrease unemployment rates.

Oh. Wait…. Do they mean OUR economy?

logis on June 16, 2012 at 12:08 PM

But this has a large potential for backfire — and if jobs reports this summer continue the downward trend we’ve been seeing this year, those 23 million Americans who already feel locked out of the economy will be asking the same question the Post does this morning.

Great. The question is, will Romney?

HB3 on June 16, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2012 at 12:00 PM

LOL! Then let it be written…..let it be done! :)

sicoit on June 16, 2012 at 12:08 PM

The conventional wisdom seems to be that all Latinos/Hispanics want illegal aliens to be forgiven & furthermore to be granted all the rights of legal immigrants. Is that true?

Many Latino voters, particularly in the southwest swing states are related to undocumented workers, and so its about how they feel about their family member. Perhaps if you were in a similar position your political position would be different.

libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Cubans are notoriously discriminatory against central/south Americans, not to mention Haitians. So that isn’t particularly surprising.

libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Yeah, that’s why my Cuban son-in-law and my Ecuadorian son-in-law are best friends. LOL

“The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; its just that they no so much that isn’t so.”

Flora Duh on June 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM

shall be very interested in next week’s poll numbers. A big uptick, and it’s all over.

OldEnglish on June 16, 2012 at 11:39 AM

To paraphrase Churchill, this is not the end. It is not the beginning of the end. It is not even the end of the beginning. Hell, it’s hardly even the beginning of the beginning.

bobs1196 on June 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM

How about wondering what impeachment of the Traitor-in-Chief would do for the economy, Ed?

Or does pooping all over the Constitution not mean anything to you any longer?

MrScribbler on June 16, 2012 at 11:06 AM

No got to fall in line with Romney.

See this is just Democrat Party 2.

Steveangell on June 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM

sicoit on June 16, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Thank you, ma’am.

Children should stay in the kiddie pool.

This idiot and the filibustering female are simply here to disrupt adult conversation, like a child leaving the kiddie table on Thanksgiving to interrupt the grown-ups, yelling

“Look at me! Look at me!”

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 12:10 PM

I watched Bill O’Reily last night. He called this a smart political move. Just Oy.

Oil Can on June 16, 2012 at 11:23 AM

And Lou Dobbs agreed with him. Just Oy indeed.

Only reason I was watching O’Really last night was because he did an interview with Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys. Brian was accompanied by his douchebag cousin Mike Love, who thankfully behaved himself during the interview.

Only thing Bill forgot was to ask Brian about was the other Brian Wilson (the Fox News Washington correspondent). I sent him an angry e-mail /

Del Dolemonte on June 16, 2012 at 12:11 PM

How about wondering what impeachment of the Traitor-in-Chief would do for the economy, Ed?

Or does pooping all over the Constitution not mean anything to you any longer?

MrScribbler on June 16, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Maybe you should scribble less, and think more.

faraway on June 16, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Why are we all assuming that the illegals are all Latino?

libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Because the majority are. I live in a border state and I have yet to see an illegal red haired Irishman mowing a yard or working at a car wash. Nor have I seen any illegal Swedes working at McDonald’s who can’t speak English. Let’s not foget TXDOT either. No illegal Italians pouring asphalt on the roads.

TxAnn56 on June 16, 2012 at 12:12 PM

What will this do to the unemployment rate in the coming months? Sounds like to me that adding 800,000 people to the figures would push that rate beyond 9% just before the election. Talk about a backlash.

mustng66 on June 16, 2012 at 12:13 PM

This is an immigration policy, not a labor policy. This is about preventing the deportation of the innocent American underclass: young children brought into the country without proper documentation.

ernesto on June 16, 2012 at 11:50 AM

They arrived here illegally, so your calling them “innocent” is a joke.

FAIL-

Del Dolemonte on June 16, 2012 at 12:13 PM

This is about preventing the deportation of the innocent American underclass

ernesto on June 16, 2012 at 11:50 AM

LOL. Amusing.

Paul-Cincy on June 16, 2012 at 12:15 PM

I can’t tell if you’re dumb or just have a short memory.

libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 12:03 PM

libfreeodie:

Lol,you mean,`Distraction`s`,for Obama Failures!

I can`t wait for the next one!!

canopfor on June 16, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Once again Obama reinforces he is the most incompetent president since Jimmy Carter. With the young adult (under 30) unemployment spiraling over 16%, this “genius” floods that market with 800,000+ illegal immigrants of that age group to compete in an already decimated labor group because “its the right thing to do”. Any American under 30 who votes for this insanity, by Obama, deserves what they will be getting.

volsense on June 16, 2012 at 12:17 PM

I question the timing.

If polls were showing Obama losing the Latino vote why not wait until October for poll-boosting “October Surprise”?

Most Latinos would vote for him anyway.

I am thinking he got word that Romney is going to choose Rubio and the first thing Rubio would talk about is immigraton.

This early strike by Obama takes away a lot of Rubio impact on Latino voters.

albill on June 16, 2012 at 12:17 PM

The unemployment rate will actually be lower because most of these illegal immigrants – especially the Dreamers – have jobs, aren’t in the work-force yet (most are college students or minors) or will join the military to be eligible.

That’s another reason why Obama is doing this. The unemployment rate within this group is way lower than the unemployment rate of the general population.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 12:17 PM

So,like,um,

do these Immunity Immigrants get a free pass on a Citizen Test!

Jus say`n!!

canopfor on June 16, 2012 at 12:17 PM

As I posted last night I had about 6 children of illegals that I would suggest they be given hardship considerations. What I didn’t say is that most of my classes, non AP, were about 40% Hispanic. Mostly children of illegals. That would average about 15 students per class. Of those 15 students about 12 of them were the type to try and ditch on Cinco de Mayo and march in front of the school waving Mexican flags. Most of these graduated based on the lowest of low graduation standards. IMHO students of this nature should not be rewarded with work permits even though they graduated from high school and were brought here as young kids. They were proud of Mexico and distainful of the US. They should be rewarded with a trip to Mexico where they can show their pride by working and paying taxes there. If they then decide that the US was better then they can get in line and do it legally.

The three I didn’t account for in my regular classes were all 3rd or 4th generation and did just fine.

chemman on June 16, 2012 at 12:17 PM

It’s true that when we think ‘illegal alien’ we think hispanics, perhaps because about 90% of illegal aliens are hispanics, duh.

It’s also true that hispanic illegal aliens are by far the most politically radical of any ‘nationality’, or whatever ‘hispanic’ is. I don’t see Chinese illegal aliens filling the streets with Chinese flags, and I don’t see Eastern European illegal aliens claiming that part of the USA really belongs to another country because someone with a teepee camped there three-hundred years ago. I don’t see Irish illegal aliens beating up high school kids for wearing an American flag on their shirt.

This is only a problem with hispanic illegals, so it should not be a surprise to anyone if it’s the hispanic illegals that bring out the worst in American citizens. Little Bammie just stokes this when he makes the ridiculous claim that the ILLEGAL Mexicans are saluting our flag and ‘just want to be good Americans’.

If they wanted to be good Americans they would put away the Mexican flags.

slickwillie2001 on June 16, 2012 at 12:18 PM

In fact, I strongly suspect that no work permit will be warrant to those who are unemployed or don’t have a high employability rate (degrees from good colleges, military).

joana on June 16, 2012 at 12:19 PM

canopfor on June 16, 2012 at 11:57 AM

:)

sicoit on June 16, 2012 at 12:07 PM

siciot:—–:)

canopfor on June 16, 2012 at 12:19 PM

That’s another reason why Obama is doing this. The unemployment rate within this group is way lower than the unemployment rate of the general population.

That’s just plain stupid.

This move relates to a group which are Hispanic and below the age of 30, both of which have unemployment reates greater than the overall population.

sentinelrules on June 16, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Why are we all assuming that the illegals are all Latino?

Because the right has *always* used “illegals” as a means of spouting anti-Latino bigotry and when called on it said “I’m not talking about Mexicans, I’m talking about “illegals.”

libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Most illegal immigrants in the US are Hispanic (77%, according to DHS).

Of that number, 62% come from Mexico. That’s a 42% increase in less than 10 years. No other country even comes close.

Please try again.

Del Dolemonte on June 16, 2012 at 12:20 PM

In 2008 you all claimed Obama was only interested in black voters, three months ago you claimed he was only into women voters, last month you claimed Obama was only interested in gay voters, now he’s only into Latino voters. I can’t tell if you’re dumb or just have a short memory.

libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Sweetie, Obama times these edicts before he has a campaign event before the select grievance group. He attended the Hollywood LGBT group to drum up support. He inserted himself at a women’s college graduation ceremony. He has Holder drumming up support at Black churches. Obama will be speaking to LaRaza this coming week.

The cynicism of the Obama perpetual campaign of divide and conquer special interest groups is all of a piece.

onlineanalyst on June 16, 2012 at 12:20 PM

libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM

What part of:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.

and Article II, Section 3 of the very Constitution they boy king swore to uphold, don’t you understand?

Oh, that’s right, you think its just peachy king that he’s broken another oath, don’t you?

Obama on Presidential Signing Statements

Flora Duh on June 16, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Cubans are notoriously discriminatory against central/south Americans, not to mention Haitians. So that isn’t particularly surprising.

libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM

How would you know?

Stop, just stop it! This is a no-facts zone

libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Del Dolemonte on June 16, 2012 at 12:22 PM

I question the timing.

If polls were showing Obama losing the Latino vote why not wait until October for poll-boosting “October Surprise”?

Most Latinos would vote for him anyway.

I am thinking he got word that Romney is going to choose Rubio and the first thing Rubio would talk about is immigraton.

This early strike by Obama takes away a lot of Rubio impact on Latino voters.

albill on June 16, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Good question. He did it early because they need to have time to do paperwork, like getting motor voter driver’s licenses, checking the ‘citizen’ box, so ACORN can get them registered in time for November. This is about procuring the illegal alien votes.

slickwillie2001 on June 16, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Many Latino voters, particularly in the southwest swing states are related to undocumented workers, and so its about how they feel about their family member. Perhaps if you were in a similar position your political position would be different.
libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Perhaps. More likely, though, if one of my relatives committed a serious crime, I would do everything possible to defend & support them, but I wouldn’t argue that everyone should be able to commit the same crime without punishment.

KS Rex on June 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM

bobs1196 on June 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Perhaps – if you were to fight on the beaches borders.

OldEnglish on June 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM

The reason illegals are here is… wait for it… jobs. Our jobs.

We have 30 million unemployed friends, neighbors and relatives out of work.

faraway on June 16, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Oblamer is just doing what any other lib does:

He governs by emotion rather than common sense.

Nothing new here.

NapaConservative on June 16, 2012 at 12:26 PM

This is just crazy. Those of us born in this country are loosing the ability to work and live here.
Illegals and those here with foreign sir names get preference in hiring, college entry, food stamps, W.I.C.,Sec 8 housing, unemployment….etcetera.
These folks have not been in line as others attempting to get work permits. They are jumping the line of those doing things legally.
Who pays for their education? Legal taxpayers. Not their parents who are illegal and don’t pay taxes.
This S O B president needs to be impeached!
Watch, he will think up a reason why we can’t hold elections this November as well.
We need to get rid of this guy fast.
What happened to obeying the law, working hard, and making your own way?
America is lost!

Delsa on June 16, 2012 at 12:27 PM

The legal Mexicans hate the invaders…this will only help if he can get the illegals to vote..

Hojczyk on June 16, 2012 at 12:27 PM

To be eligible, they must have been in the United States for five years, have no criminal record, and attend high school or college or be a military veteran.

I have said this before on this blog, but it bears repeating, Illegal Aliens can’t join the military, period. If they are in this country “undocumented” they are prohibited from joining the military. Everyone who joins the US military needs a valid social security number.

This does not prevent undocumentd people from fradualenty joining the military. That can and does happen, and if/when they are caught, they are discharged for fradulent enlistment. There are quotas for “legal” immigrants in the country, however.

Johnnyreb on June 16, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Yep, the nonsense about military service is just thrown in because it’s good for a few point in public opinion polls about bills or rogue orders like this one. On closer inspection it all falls apart, like most of what President Jackass says.

slickwillie2001 on June 16, 2012 at 12:28 PM

o/t, but interesting…:

The Rain Of Greek Pain May Have Ended On A Plain In Spain…But, Only Temporary Will Be The Gain

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/06/rain-of-greek-pain-may-have-ended-on.html

M2RB: The GoGo’s

Resist We Much on June 16, 2012 at 12:29 PM

As usual, the WaPo comments are hilarious. Over 5,000 of them already.

I am more upset that the president’s speech was interrupted than I am with the policy. The policy seems reasonable. The interrupting of a speech from a reporter is just simply rude. There are proper times to ask questions and during the middle of a speech is not one of them.

Wasn’t a speech, kid. It was a statement.

Del Dolemonte on June 16, 2012 at 12:29 PM

libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Do you believe in lawlessness? You might here with what he did but you can possibly agree with how he did it can you?

Or are you a petty tyrant like your Chicago Jesus?

jawkneemusic on June 16, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Agree*

jawkneemusic on June 16, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Sooooooooo,I`m thinking,

does this mean,that the Border Fence,will have a gizmo,
like a Debit card thingy,ya just zip it,and bingo,your
off to the destination,of State of choice!!
(sarc).

canopfor on June 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Let me try again(need coffee)

Libfree, you CAN’T possibly agree with how he excuted this? He’s President NOT king.

jawkneemusic on June 16, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Since Ed can’t instigate impeachment proceedings, I guess we are stuck talking about things that are actually happening.
Cindy Munford on June 16, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Gee, Cindy, I forgot that Ed can only publish a principled stand on something when he can link it to someone else.
MrScribbler on June 16, 2012 at 11:16 AM

If we don’t discuss and stop this lawless sh!t then we are all screwed. The Constitution can’t be used as tp w/o recourse regardless of an upcoming election. Impeachment is the word!!!

Kstag on June 16, 2012 at 12:31 PM

The WaPo: doing the job the Republican candidate won’t.

HB3 on June 16, 2012 at 12:32 PM

I can’t wait till America is a crappy as Mexico!

tom daschle concerned on June 16, 2012 at 12:34 PM

As

tom daschle concerned on June 16, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Don’t forget about the FOREIGN STUDENT JOB PlAN that gives our tax dollars to businesses for hiring them. WaPo story and featured on Fox Greta about a month ago. Americans getting screwed from every direction.

suziejoh on June 16, 2012 at 12:34 PM

That’s another reason why Obama is doing this. The unemployment rate within this group is way lower than the unemployment rate of the general population.

That’s just plain stupid.

This move relates to a group which are Hispanic and below the age of 30, both of which have unemployment reates greater than the overall population.

sentinelrules on June 16, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Nope. Counter-intuitively maybe, young illegal immigrants have higher employment rates than their counterparts. It makes sense though: 99% of them immigrate for economic reasons. That’s why the immigration rate has gone downhill since the recession started and currently there are more Latinos leaving the country than coming in. Why are you going to be an illegal immigrant if you don’t even have a job? Why do people want harsher penalties to employers and E-Verify? Because without jobs, they go back to their countries. This seems pretty easy to understand, no?

Plus, as I said, Dreamers will either be a) very young, aka out of the workforce b) college students, who have higher rates of employment c) voluntaries to join the military. None of these groups have high unemployment rates.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Most illegal immigrants in the US are Hispanic (77%, according to DHS).

Of that number, 62% come from Mexico. That’s a 42% increase in less than 10 years. No other country even comes close.

Please try again.

Del Dolemonte on June 16, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Statistics are racist.

HB3 on June 16, 2012 at 12:36 PM

From now on we should add 800K to the weekly unemployment numbers.

RMR on June 16, 2012 at 12:37 PM

joana on June 16, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Are you going to filibuster this site all day, again?

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Kstag on June 16, 2012 at 12:31 PM

This is the presidential term proudly boasting of the highest rate of deportation. I don’t like when any president decides they are going to pick and chose which laws they are going to enforce but I’d rather work on making Obama a one term wonder than an impeached victim, which is exactly how it would be played. Besides there isn’t enough time considering Congress is getting ready to recess to go blow smoke up the azzes of their constituents.

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2012 at 12:40 PM

This was last year:
Obama Administration Lets More Foreign Students Stay in U.S. for Jobs, Raising Competition Concerns May 2011

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/17/dhs-allows-foreign-students-extended-stay/#ixzz1xyWXxpHP
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/17/dhs-allows-foreign-students-extended-stay/

suziejoh on June 16, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Nope. Counter-intuitively maybe, young illegal immigrants have higher employment rates than their counterparts.

Again, that’s just silly when they are composed of two groups (Hispanics and Age 16-30)which have a higher unemployment rate than the general population. And that includes college students/graduates.

sentinelrules on June 16, 2012 at 12:40 PM

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Now, now it’s called increasing the comment count.

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2012 at 12:41 PM

I stand corrected, ma’am. I thought that it was just childish Moby b.s.

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Doesnt the House have oversight over departments that dont enforce the law?

Why doesnt Issa have Janet testify over this?

faraway on June 16, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Why is the House funding these departments en masse? The House is becoming the new Senate, ceding their responsibilities and duties to the departments so they can hob-nob with the rich and “beautiful” people.

marinetbryant on June 16, 2012 at 12:42 PM

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 12:42 PM

LOL! It’s both!

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2012 at 12:45 PM

You’re right. LOL.

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Are you going to filibuster this site all day, again?

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Just scroll down to see who posted the response before reading it. Saves a lot of time and spares any risk of damage to brain cells that reading the drivel might create.

Betenoire on June 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM

“Americans like to see leaders lead.” Yeah, that’s true. But this is NOT leadership. It’s pandering, of the lowest order.

Mean Granny on June 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM

joana on June 16, 2012 at 12:35 PM

I’m going to ask you I asked what I asked your DNC comrade – what part of Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution the boy king swore to uphold, don’t you understand?

Because despite your and libfreeordie’s mission to divert it, the real issue here is that the little dictator once again went around Congress with an unlawful power grab.

And don’t give me your BS about “Bush doing it too,” unless you want to sound as irrelevant as an 8 yr. old who uses the “but, Johnny did it first” argument when they get caught doing something they know they shouldn’t have.

Flora Duh on June 16, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Nope. Counter-intuitively maybe, young illegal immigrants have higher employment rates than their counterparts.

Again, that’s just silly when they are composed of two groups (Hispanics and Age 16-30)which have a higher unemployment rate than the general population. And that includes college students/graduates.

sentinelrules on June 16, 2012 at 12:40 PM

College students (or other students) aren’t part of the workforce. They don’t count as unemployed.

I’ve explained why illegal immigrants have higher employment rates. I mean, why exactly do you think that their numbers lower with recessions or with harsher penalties to employers of illegal aliens? Because there’s no reason for them to stay if they have no access to jobs. You keep ignoring this.

And you keep ignoring that lots of them will enlist in the military in order to become eligible to this program.

In fact, I’d bet that Obama Administration won’t legalize a single unemployed. A single one. They’ll just refuse applications from those. Which will make the numbers look better by November.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Well, that answers my question.

kingsjester on June 16, 2012 at 12:56 PM

If we don’t discuss and stop this lawless sh!t then we are all screwed. The Constitution can’t be used as tp w/o recourse regardless of an upcoming election. Impeachment is the word!!!
This is the presidential term proudly boasting of the highest rate of deportation. I don’t like when any president decides they are going to pick and chose which laws they are going to enforce but I’d rather work on making Obama a one term wonder than an impeached victim, which is exactly how it would be played. Besides there isn’t enough time considering Congress is getting ready to recess to go blow smoke up the azzes of their constituents.
Cindy Munford on June 16, 2012 at 12:40 PM

I don’t care how it’s played. The law must be enforced. The One is a one term disaster worse than Carter but the precedent has been set. If we continue to let this stuff slide then we are doomed. What happens when an R president does something like this??

Kstag on June 16, 2012 at 1:03 PM

But this has a large potential for backfire — and if jobs reports this summer continue the downward trend we’ve been seeing this year, those 23 million Americans who already feel locked out of the economy will be asking the same question the Post does this morning.

Not to mention the other little problems with this move by King Barack I. You know, like refusing to fulfill his duty to enforce the law. Like taking upon himself the powers reserved to the legislature. The whole idea that Obama is above the law and can do anything he wants.

novaculus on June 16, 2012 at 1:04 PM

I’ve explained why illegal immigrants have higher employment rates. I mean, why exactly do you think that their numbers lower with recessions or with harsher penalties to employers of illegal aliens? Because there’s no reason for them to stay if they have no access to jobs. You keep ignoring this.

And you keep ignoring that lots of them will enlist in the military in order to become eligible to this program.

I’m sorry, but you are wrong. As pointed out in the thread they can’t join the military without a valid #SS number, so that’s forfeit.

You said that this group (Hispanics, Age 16-30) have a lower unemployment rate than the general population rate of 8.2%.

That’s just a fallacy on your part.

sentinelrules on June 16, 2012 at 1:04 PM

I’m sorry, but you are wrong. As pointed out in the thread they can’t join the military without a valid #SS number, so that’s forfeit.

You said that this group (Hispanics, Age 16-30) have a lower unemployment rate than the general population rate of 8.2%.

That’s just a fallacy on your part.

sentinelrules on June 16, 2012 at 1:04 PM

1. This group = Dreamers. Not young Hispanics. As I said, the unemployment rate among this group is lower than among their counterparts (young Hispanics).

2. You’re aware what this does is to allow illegal immigrants to obtain legal residence status if they join the army, right? That it’s one of the basic features of the entire DREAM thingie? How it is now is irrelevant: this will allow them to enlist for the Army and obtain legal residence as they do so. They won’t be serving as illegals because once they start serving, they’ll already have the permit.

3. Worth repeating: In fact, I’d bet that Obama Administration won’t legalize a single unemployed. A single one. They’ll just refuse applications from those. Which will make the numbers look better by November.

joana on June 16, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Now if only Obama can get these 800,000,s who shouldn’t even be here to vote for him. Isn’t that the idea. It’s not that the man is Scum, no, it’s that the man is Scum of an unimaginably low order. I am assuming for the purposes of argument that there are various orders of Scum. In which case Obama perforce must be at the bottom of that squirming mass of filth.

arand on June 16, 2012 at 1:12 PM

At least Hank gets it….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDvBmWOf8m0

Kstag on June 16, 2012 at 1:13 PM

To be eligible, they must have been in the United States for five years

So, a 25 yo, would have been a healthy 20 yo when he raced across the border. I thought Obama was only saving suckling babes.

faraway on June 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM

They have to prove that they were brought here ilegallyn by fheir parents at some point in time, which means
they will have to out their whole family that is here here ilegally.. Obviously they will put said family at risk of deportation ( i mean their parents who ae here ilegally) since they are not eligible for this new category of ‘immigrants’ (parents who are here ilegally that is )…lbamais a total cretine, he and his imbeile team obviously didn’t think this out properly…let’s say these young people come put, demonstrate they have been brought in ilegally by fheir parens, when they were children, and while proving this, they put their gamily at risk of being deported….

jimver on June 16, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Many Latino voters, particularly in the southwest swing states are related to undocumented workers, and so its about how they feel about their family member. Perhaps if you were in a similar position your political position would be different.

libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Maybe, if you were a naturalised American or a LEGAL immigrant waiting to become an American, you would understand how we feel about Obama’s flagrant abuse of power and lawlessness.

If Romney is elected, will you mind it terribly if he instructs DOJ to use its prosecutorial discretion and stop prosecuting those that block access to abortion clinics? How about hate crimes – “don’t prosecute them because we have better things to do with the money”?

The President does NOT make laws. He does NOT get to decide which laws to enforce and which to ignore.

I find Obama’s refusal to enforce “duly constituted and passed law(s)…passed by a majority of the House and Senate” to be an “unprecedented, extraordinary step.”

“Legal experts across the ideological spectrum” agree with me, including numerous liberal and progressive judges and justices, who “even if they’re not particularly sympathetic” to my political positions, believe that the President does not make or interpret law. We all understand that the role of making law is for the legislative branch, alone, and the role of interpreting law is for the judicial branch, alone.

While many of us are for comprehensive immigration reform, we also believe that the rule of law trumps empathy and fairness requires that legal immigrants be given more favourable treatment than those that are illegal regardless of how they came to be so.

Resist We Much on June 16, 2012 at 1:16 PM

young children brought into the country without proper documentation.

ernesto on June 16, 2012 at 11:50 AM
Read the order again. These “kids” can be twenty-four years old when they enter.

OldEnglish on June 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM

I just can’t wait for all those guys from Yemen to come out in the open.

/Obama + Urkel = Jackazz

Key West Reader on June 16, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Kstag on June 16, 2012 at 1:03 PM

All presidents have issued “signing statements” to laws that they think have portions that are unconstitutional but more accurately inconvenient to them. The fact that this man just changes laws outright or chooses not to enforce them is something to behold, DOMA being an example of something he both agreed with (at the time) and decided not to enforce. Medical marijuana comes to mind also. If bloggers could get the outrage of the country to focus on this, great! But Republicans will hardly try to impeach him after the Clinton fiasco. This is still very new, lawsuits have already been purposed, I will be interested in how this plays out, keeping in mind that The Won has a huge free apologist mechanism available.

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2012 at 1:17 PM

It’ll be very tough for the Obama administration to only issue work permits to those who already have jobs. What are the illegals going to do?…tell immigration who hired them illegally?

The main reason this was done was to take away the opportunity of Romney and Rubio with their Dream Act Lite and to pander to votes.

It’ll be interesting to see if this bumps the unemployment rate higher. Could be an unintended consequence.

FreeManOtis on June 16, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Wouldn’t it be enough if the 800K are counted in the labor rolls, whether or not they get the jobs? Probably BLS will figure out a way to keep them off the rolls to make the unemployment number look good.

toby11 on June 16, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Theoretically, though odds are they already have those jobs.

Steve Eggleston on June 16, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Why are we all assuming that the illegals are all Latino?

Because the right has *always* used “illegals” as a means of spouting anti-Latino bigotry and when called on it said “I’m not talking about Mexicans, I’m talking about “illegals.”

libfreeordie on June 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Most illegal immigrants in the US are Hispanic (77%, according to DHS).

Of that number, 62% come from Mexico. That’s a 42% increase in less than 10 years. No other country even comes close.

Please try again.

Del Dolemonte on June 16, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Don’t hit it too hard with fhe numbers, you might confuse the hedk out of an already confused one…he never heard statistics apparently…..most of his posts are based on anecdotal evidence as in I’ve been to Europe on a cheap student holiday package and stayed at a youth hostel in London, therefore I am an expert in all things European’, they are the most advanced democrIes on earth and their welfare system an example of fiscal sanity and sustainability worthy of emulation ober here ‘ lol :)…

jimver on June 16, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Wow. A real racist in our midst. Take a look folks, this is what it looks like.

faraway on June 16, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Haiti is the poorest nation in the Western hemisphere. Cubans despise them as utter dirt-poor trash, and at least the ‘dirt’ and ‘poor’ parts are dead-on.

MelonCollie on June 16, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Hmmmmm………..let’s ask the 8.2% currently UNEMPLOYED how they feel about the competition.

GarandFan on June 16, 2012 at 1:27 PM

let’s say these young people come put, demonstrate they have been brought in ilegally by fheir parens, when they were children, and while proving this, they put their gamily at risk of being deported….

jimver on June 16, 2012 at 1:14 PM

But, of course we can’t deport the mother/father, etc. of one of these people.

So this effectively means that millions of illegals will be covered by Obama’s lawbreaking.

faraway on June 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM

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