Breaking: Obama administration to loosen deportation rules

posted at 10:44 am on June 15, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

So, the “framing” economic speech yesterday was a bust — yeah, they’re going to need us to move away from that ol’ chestnut pretty quickly — so here comes the next big talking point in the Obama-campaign wheelhouse.

President Obama has decided that the Homeland Security Department will no longer deport younger illegal immigrants who haven’t broken the law, and will instead issue them work permits.

 The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of an influential Latino electorate that has been vocal in its opposition to administration deportation policies.

The policy change, described to The Associated Press by two senior administration officials, will affect as many as 800,000 immigrants who have lived in fear of deportation. It also bypasses Congress and partially achieves the goals of the so-called DREAM Act, a long-sought but never enacted plan to establish a path toward citizenship for young people who came to the United States illegally but who have attended college or served in the military.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano was to announce the new policy Friday, one week before President Barack Obama plans to address the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials’ annual conference in Orlando, Fla. Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney is scheduled to speak to the group on Thursday.

Updates to follow…

Update: At least as far as the Latino community is concerned (and opinion abounds on the electoral significance of Latinos as a voting group, and whether they really vote so monolithically), this is going to present a stiff challenge for Romney’s campaign. As ABC points out:

The Obama administration is likely to deny that politics played a role in the announcement, but the timing is ideal for the president’s reelection campaign. In the GOP primary, Mitt Romney adopted strictly conservative positions against illegal immigration in his effort to woo right-wing voters. He backs a strong fence along the border with Mexico, opposes most amnesty and boasts of his move as Massachusetts governor to deny in-state tuition for illegal immigrants. …

Obama’s announcement today is likely to curry favor with Hispanics, a key growing voting bloc who could determine the winner in November in important states like Florida, Colorado and Nevada. The president currently beats Romney among Hispanics in polls, but most Latinos say they disapprove of his deportation policy.

Deportation rates under President Obama have actually been relatively high — a point about which many Latino voters and immigration advocates have been displeased. This could be a crucial appeasement-move that will inspire Latinos to get to polls in November.

Can President Obama even do this without Congressional approval? I’m not sure, but then again, it hardly matters. If he can, great; if he can’t, great: It’s just another jab he can aim at an “obstructionist,” “do-nothing” Congress.

Update (Ed): So …. he’s going to hand out hundreds of thousands of work permits when unemployment is at 8.2% nominal, 14.8% U-6, and the civilian participation rate is near the 30-year low Obama set last month (now 63.8%)?  The only thing this accomplishes is driving the labor rate further downward and the unemployment rate further upward.  Work permits make sense when you’re creating jobs, but not when jobs are scarce.  I’m not sure that’s going to endear Obama to unions and blue-collar voters struggling to find work already.

Update (back to Erika): A calculated move to steal some of Sen. Marco Rubio’s alternative-DREAM-Act thunder? It’s widely known that Sen. Rubio has been crafting legislation that would give visas to undocumented immigrants who were brought here as children if they attend college or join the military, though it would not provide legal permanent residency — and President Obama’s plan sounds pretty darn similar. Plenty of Republicans aren’t exactly thanking Rubio for his upcoming proposal, but as a tea-party rockstar with Hispanic roots, Rubio is a major threat to Democrats’ claim that they’re the best political party for Latinos’ interests. Team Obama definitely needed to get out in front on this one.

Update: Here are some immediate reactions from our Congresspeople concerning the Obama campaign’s — er, sorry, I mean, the White House’s — newest immigration policy.

Rep. Allen West, R-Florida

“This is yet another example of executive branch overreach. We have a legislative process that ensures representative governance by the consent of the American people. This action should be crafted into legislation, debated in committee and brought before the House and Senate for vote, with accordance of our Constitutional Republic way. Secretary Napolitano is an unelected administrative bureaucrat who does not have the right to make governing decisions for this country. It is apparent that the goal of the Obama administration is not to govern, but rule by edict. This again is a reflection of the desperation of President Obama and his liberal progressive disciples as November draws nearer. …

Sen. Robert Menendez, D-New Jersey

“For all the young people who call this country their home but have been unable to fulfill their dreams, I am profoundly grateful to the President and the Administration for suspending the deportation of Dreamers. For these young men and women who want to become doctors, teachers, police officers and soldiers, this announcement will change their lives forever.”

Update: Let Homeland Security Secretary Napolitano be clear: This is not to be confused with amnesty.

“A grant of deferred action is not immunity, it is not amnesty,” Napolitano told reporters. “It is an exercise of discretion.”

Update: Sen. Rubio responded by saying that the content of Obama’s proposal is “welcome news,” but was quick to decry the manner of it:

“Today’s announcement will be welcome news for many of these kids desperate for an answer, but it is a short term answer to a long term problem,” the Cuban American Rubio said in a statement. “And by once again ignoring the Constitution and going around Congress, this short term policy will make it harder to find a balanced and responsible long term one.”


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HEY CONGRESS — JUST GO ON HOME !!

OBAMA’S GOT IT, WE DON’T NEED YOU ANYMORE!!

Congress lacks the nads to stand up to the President and the President knows it, so we don’t need Congress anymore. Bye!

Axion on June 15, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Romney should say…

Obama is confused. You add foreign workers when you have worker shortages, not when you have job shortages.

faraway on June 15, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Democrats hate America.

tetriskid on June 15, 2012 at 12:03 PM

I’m not convinced that this regime will even comply with what SCOTUS says if they don’t like it.

TarheelBen on June 15, 2012 at 11:36 AM

You will hear the phrase “unelected” a million times over the next 5 months.

VegasRick on June 15, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Yep. We could dig up Barky’s old arguments attempting to help the coup of his buddy Zelaya, the tin-foil hatter in Honduras to see exactly how the Indonesian Dog-Eating Retard is going to “defend” his sh!tting all over the Constitution and American sovereignty.

Barky needs to be impeached and prosecuted. He must be removed from office, while there’s still some semblance of an office of the Presidency left.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 15, 2012 at 12:04 PM

What other little goodies will be tossed out on upcoming Fridays between now and the election, whether to secure his re-anointment or to set things into cement before vacating his White House?
diogenes on June 15, 2012 at 11:37 AM

+1

People don’t realize that FDR wasn’t all that popular. He got elected again and again by tossing out massive amounts of goodies before elections.

PopsRacer on June 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

-TFHP

Bishop on June 15, 2012 at 11:54 AM

What is TFHP? I went online at acronymgeek.com and the closest I got was:
Tin Foil Hat Party

topdog on June 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

So labor comptetition is good when it busts unions, but bad in every other instance? How is that pro-free market again?

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Labor competition is supposed to be between US Citizens.

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

On one hand, you show a glimmer of hope.

If we funded secondary education through the sales tax, rather than through property taxes that would solve that problem and how.
libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 11:30 AM

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Then, on the other hand………..

You do know that even if you don’t say “white Democrats” everyone still knows that you’re hoping for this to turn off white voters, taking advantage of racial antipathy towards Latinos. No one is fooled.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 11:44 AM

And, then comes the mind-numbingly stupid…………

But marxism has informed very succesful governments and been merged effectively with capitalism in western Europe and Canada.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 11:37 AM

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How’s that European Union thingy working out? And that Canadian taxation and healthcare system? Lucky for Canada, they at least have the natural resources – you know, the ones your lord refuses to enter into a contract with **Keystonecough*****

Idiot.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on June 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

What? Come on! The ring suburbs of Paris are models of integration, inclusion, and economic success which is why there are so many areas in them where only the most heavily-armed of police dare to venture.

Bishop on June 15, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Armoured Humvee sales are way up in those areas.

VegasRick on June 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

4. Adding 800,000 latino workers who may depress wages = bad?

How can all 4 of those be true?

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 11:59 AM

What part of “here illegally” doesn’t make sense to you? People should not be rewarded for breaking the law.

I wonder how all of the people who have applied for U.S. Citizenship the right way, and are still held up in the process, feel about all of these young illegals jumping to the front of the line.

We should make it easier to enter the U.S. legally. But we should also send people back if they don’t follow the rules.

hawksruleva on June 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Buy Danish on June 15, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Ah, then you clearly oppose “Right to Work” legislation right?

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

You all do realize that some of us have things to do outside of debating on this blog right?
 
libfreeordie on June 14, 2012 at 7:33 PM

rogerb on June 15, 2012 at 12:06 PM

So, let me get this straight:

1. Labor competition to bust unions = free market and liberty.

2. Exporting jobs to cheaper labor sources over seas = justified if American labor is too expensive.

3. Ending the minimum wage = good for the overall economy.

4. Adding 800,000 latino workers who may depress wages = bad?

How can all 4 of those be true?

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 11:59 AM

You’re missing the legal part.
Citizens of any free society should expect it’s government to protect it’s borders and control immigration into the country. All the Western European countries you love have much tighter control over their immigration than we do. Mexico has a very aggressive stance against immigration from countries that border it that aren’t America.

I – as well as most – conservatives are for what can be termed a “high wall, wide gate” mentality to immigration. We want immigrants to come here and add to and partake of the American dream and become part of and contribute to the melting plot (e pluribus unum). The question is what to do with the immigrants that are already here illegally in the face of Democrats who don’t want to secure the border.

gwelf on June 15, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Labor competition is supposed to be between US Citizens.

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

…And people who have gone through the legitimate steps to get a green card.

It’s not for people who just show up here illegally.

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Isn’t unemployment among citizens in this age group very high?

And this age demographic–black, white, Hispanic–will think this is a good idea?

BuckeyeSam on June 15, 2012 at 12:06 PM

The people are once again disrespected by Barack Hussein Kardashian. Nevermind the rule of law and voting on critical legal issues by our elected officials. Barry would make a better president of Cuba. He could bypass ‘congress’ all he wanted. OH wait he still does here.

TX-96 on June 15, 2012 at 12:07 PM

How’s that European Union thingy working out? And that Canadian taxation and healthcare system? Lucky for Canada, they at least have the natural resources – you know, the ones your lord refuses to enter into a contract with **Keystonecough*****

Idiot.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on June 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Canada is pretty prosperous lately. Because they’ve taken some big steps towards a free market economy, away from Marxist central planning.

hawksruleva on June 15, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Hello, Mr. Juarez. This is your green card and here is a photocopy of a utility bill complete with generic address, use it to vote for TFHP next November. NEXT!

Bishop on June 15, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Yep. We could dig up Barky’s old arguments attempting to help the coup of his buddy Zelaya, the tin-foil hatter in Honduras to see exactly how the Indonesian Dog-Eating Retard is going to “defend” his sh!tting all over the Constitution and American sovereignty.

Barky needs to be impeached and prosecuted. He must be removed from office, while there’s still some semblance of an office of the Presidency left.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 15, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Yrp. I said back when this happened that MackDaddy was setting himself a precedent.

He wants to be Absolute Ruler. He knows what’s ggod for us.

davidk on June 15, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Barky needs to be impeached and prosecuted. He must be removed from office, while there’s still some semblance of an office of the Presidency left.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 15, 2012 at 12:04 PM

There is a very long list of folks in this admin that that applies to as well.

VegasRick on June 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Indeed, cutting back on these lavish benefits frees up budgets and often makes it possible for more teachers, firemen, policemen to be hired – so if the goal is to have more of the above, you should support union reform. This happened both in Wisconsin where more teachers were hired, and Indiana where more state troopers were hired.

Buy Danish on June 15, 2012 at 12:03 PM

I can attest to this. My wife and I travel back and forth from Missouri (where we live) to Ohio (where we’re from) quite often and the ISP are everywhere now. We went back to Ohio in April for my grandmother’s funeral and I had never seen so many cops between Indy and Richmond in my entire life than I did during that trip.

MobileVideoEngineer on June 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Armoured Humvee sales are way up in those areas.

VegasRick on June 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

You have to find the silver lining in every cloud. Tear gas sales are up too.

Bishop on June 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM

I never said they were classless or even that they didn’t have systemic racism and ethnocentrism as Bishop pointed out. They do. But they also are not dictatorships. Your claim was that these ideas inevitably lead to dictatorships and serfdoms and that’s not true.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:02 PM

True – dictators was too strong a term to describe all of them. But describing their citizens as serfs was not too much of a stretch.

gwelf on June 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Ah, then you clearly oppose “Right to Work” legislation right?

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Au contraire. What’s your point if you have one?

Buy Danish on June 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Labor competition is supposed to be between US Citizens.

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

The U.S. worker competes with non-U.S. citizens every single day. Whether they live in this country or not. This is what is so childish about working and middle class conservatives on immigration. There is no closed border for labor, but you pretend like there is until a non-citizen actually moves in next door. It is ridiculous really. NAFTA, the WTO, the global economy has been in place for decades and you all are complaining about illegal migrants? It’d be hilarious if it was fricking tragic.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM

AND THIS IS WHY HE IS STOPPING FLORIDA FROM PURGING IT’S VOTER ROLLS OF “ILLEGALS” AND THE DEAD!

THROUGH THIS BUM OUT!!

HOW CAN HE MAKE OR ABRIDGE THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES?

NICE TO KNOW ILLEGAL STUDENTS ARE GETTING GOOD GRADES. NOW SEND THEM BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN AND LET THEM HELP THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES!!!!

Delsa on June 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Buy Danish on June 15, 2012 at 12:03 PM

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Ah, then you clearly oppose “Right to Work” legislation right?

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

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“Rights” are ONLY for citizens EXCLUSIVELY.

Illegal immigrants are disqualified by definition.

listens2glenn on June 15, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Isn’t unemployment among citizens in this age group very high?

And this age demographic–black, white, Hispanic–will think this is a good idea?

BuckeyeSam on June 15, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Black teen unemployment rate is at 40%.

Hispanic teen unemployment rate is at 30%.

Add 800,000.

Way to think things through.

When will the GOP gow some and put a stop to this dictator?

davidk on June 15, 2012 at 11:43 AM

davidk on June 15, 2012 at 12:13 PM

You all do realize that some of us have things to do outside of debating on this blog right?

libfreeordie on June 14, 2012 at 7:33 PM

rogerb on June 15, 2012 at 12:06 PM

No where NEAR your best work. #failedshade.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:13 PM

younger illegal immigrants

Well, good, so how young are these little tykes anyhow?

Under the administration plan, illegal immigrants will be immune from deportation if they were brought to the United States before they turned 16 and are younger than 30

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/15/obama-bypasses-congress-on-dream-act-stops-deporting-young-illegals/#ixzz1xsYhejXy

Wow, I barely recall being a child of 30. Is that before or after you had learned to ride a bicycle? Were you interested in girls at the childish age of 30? So many years ago…

I do have a proposal, perhaps these “children” should not be allowed to vote at this young age where they still can’t care for themselves or be responsible for their actions… voting seems a great weight to lay upon their 30 year old shoulders doesn’t it?

Oh, this is your 30 year old baby? He’s so cute… Cootchie-Cootchie-COO.

gekkobear on June 15, 2012 at 12:14 PM

younger illegal immigrants

Well, good, so how young are these little tykes anyhow?

Under the administration plan, illegal immigrants will be immune from deportation if they were brought to the United States before they turned 16 and are younger than 30

dailycaller.com/2012/06/15/obama-bypasses-congress-on-dream-act-stops-deporting-young-illegals/#ixzz1xsYhejXy

Wow, I barely recall being a child of 30. Is that before or after you had learned to ride a bicycle? Were you interested in girls at the childish age of 30? So many years ago…

I do have a proposal, perhaps these “children” should not be allowed to vote at this young age where they still can’t care for themselves or be responsible for their actions… voting seems a great weight to lay upon their 30 year old shoulders doesn’t it?

Oh, this is your 30 year old baby? He’s so cute… Cootchie-Cootchie-COO.

gekkobear on June 15, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Au contraire. What’s your point if you have one?

Buy Danish on June 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM

That you believe labor competition is, in and of itself, a good thing for a state economy.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM

You have to find the silver lining in every cloud. Tear gas sales are up too.

Bishop on June 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Kevlar vest sales said to be doing well.

VegasRick on June 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Look at any system based on the crap you tout and you don’t find equality, liberty or a classless society – you find dictators and oppressed serfs.

gwelf on June 15, 2012 at 11:29 AM

You have been to western Europe haven’t you? They are, of course, imperfect societies, but they aren’t run by dictators and the citizens aren’t “depressed serfs.” Capitalism is great. But, like socialism, capitalism can take many forms. And the version we’ve been engaging in from the Reagan era till now, with almost no real alterations, is proving itself unsustainable. You are forced to look at the USSR or Venezuela because they are examples of communism gone wrong. But marxism has informed very succesful governments and been merged effectively with capitalism in western Europe and Canada.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 11:37 AM

The EU is dictatorship, you dolt, albeit a mild one curretly, but things are changing/evolving there too, in case you didn’t notice, and not for the better…how many times people on this site who happen to actually have a real
connection with europe (unlike you who probably reads about europe on the wikipedia and thinks that it’s it) demonstrated to you that you are so full of it with re: your silly idealism about the wonderful european system…what planet are you from? What do you call a system with 0 political accountability to its its taxpayers (I am talking about the EU) that dictates what fruits and/pr vegetables the member countries are allowed to cultivate (or not), and what shape they shouldncome in, I might ad :), force them into a stupid monetary union (note, no common fiscal policies, only currency union, how smart is that??), dictates how much money fhey take from fhe generic European taxpayer (I repeat it for you, no accountabilit whatsoever as for how the money are spent), and where do those money go (bail out greece, for instance) without asking its citizens…case in point: England never had a referendum over joining the EU! Yet the English taxpayer contributes to that profligate monstruosity called EU, hough you have to give it to their leaderz that they were smart enough to stay out of e euro…so,shut up already about Europe, but before you shut up on this topic forever (wishful thinking, I know), care to tell us how long have you ever lived there, and where exactly…yeah, I tought so, wikipedia is your friend…

jimver on June 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM

True – dictators was too strong a term to describe all of them. But describing their citizens as serfs was not too much of a stretch.

gwelf on June 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM

And one could argue that Americans, with our two identitical political “choices” and our subservience to global capital are just as “serfed” as western Europeans. Except fatter and with more processed poisonous food.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

We are falling into a trap when our reaction to Obama’s move is to debate policy. Regardless of where one stands on immigration policy, Obama’s actions are an abuse of power and a violation of law and of his oath of office.

Romney’s reaction needs to be:

Yes, we need to continue our national debate on immigration. Yes, we need to change the laws, and we have a system for doing that. Until then, it is the president’s sworn duty to uphold the laws that congress has created. President Obama has abrogated his sworn duty and abused his power. This needs to stop.

topdog on June 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

If he is allowed to get away with this what is to stop him from issuing an executive order implementing mandates even if SCOTUS overturns them?

chemman on June 15, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Buy Danish on June 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM

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That you believe labor competition is, in and of itself, a good thing for a state economy.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM

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Irrelevant to the argument on illegal immigration.

listens2glenn on June 15, 2012 at 12:18 PM

If he is allowed to get away with this what is to stop him from issuing an executive order implementing mandates even if SCOTUS overturns them?

chemman on June 15, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Nothing.

Obama is completely lawless. He is operating like a 3rd world dictator.

tetriskid on June 15, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Every work permit comes with a complimentary absentee ballot, pre-filled out for your convenience…

cicerone on June 15, 2012 at 12:19 PM

If I were a member of the House…

… I would offer up a bill to immediately defund the Department of Homeland Security and put it up for a vote.

Seven Percent Solution on June 15, 2012 at 12:19 PM

The U.S. worker competes with non-U.S. citizens every single day. Whether they live in this country or not.

It makes a big difference if they’re living in this country or not. If it didn’t make a difference, Mexicans wouldn’t be sneaking across the border.

This is what is so childish about working and middle class conservatives on immigration. There is no closed border for labor, but you pretend like there is until a non-citizen actually moves in next door. It is ridiculous really. NAFTA, the WTO, the global economy has been in place for decades and you all are complaining about illegal migrants? It’d be hilarious if it was fricking tragic.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Illegal migrants are ILLEGAL, i.e., CRIMINALS. If the legality of getting a green card or obtaining citizenship isn’t important, then they should strike the law. If it IS important, then they should ENFORCE the law.

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 12:19 PM

How can all 4 of those be true?

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 11:59 AM

“Legal” – study it you corrupt vote-whoring fool.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 12:20 PM

And one could argue that Americans, with our two identitical political “choices” and our subservience to global capital are just as “serfed” as western Europeans. Except fatter and with more processed poisonous food.libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Said like a true blue America hating leftist troll scumbag. That’s all.

VegasRick on June 15, 2012 at 12:20 PM

The U.S. worker competes with non-U.S. citizens every single day. Whether they live in this country or not. This is what is so childish about working and middle class conservatives on immigration. There is no closed border for labor, but you pretend like there is until a non-citizen actually moves in next door. It is ridiculous really. NAFTA, the WTO, the global economy has been in place for decades and you all are complaining about illegal migrants? It’d be hilarious if it was fricking tragic.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM

That’s retarded. This is about the Rule of Law and American sovereignty, you blithering idiot and unparalleled America-hater. People who are not here legally are not allwoed to stay here and the Executive branch does not have the discretion to just rewrite American Law any time it wants. You want a dictatorship, move to one, you miserable piece of sh!t.

You people are absolutely despicable and the lowest of the low. You don’t deserve the benefits of civil society. You will be recorded in history as the most pathetic, despicable, dumbest people to have ever existed on Earth, which ain’t no mean feat.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 15, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Except fatter and with more processed poisonous food.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Your knowledge of microbiology, chemistry and food science wouldn’t even fill a thimble.

chemman on June 15, 2012 at 12:20 PM

That you believe labor competition is, in and of itself, a good thing for a state economy.
libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM

A “state economy” or a “state’s economy”? I do not believe in a “state economy” which implies central planning.

Buy Danish on June 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Obama is completely lawless. He is operating like a 3rd world dictator.

tetriskid on June 15, 2012 at 12:18 PM

^This. And everyone seems determined to let him get away with it.

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM

“The commerce secretary, a guy named John Bryson – have you heard about this? He got cited for felony hit-and-run here in California, after he crashed into a car, got out, talked to the other driver, got back in his car, crashed into the other car again, drove away, and then crashed into another car. He’s now taking a leave of absence. The good news? It’s the first new job the White House has created all year. That’s good news!” — Jay Leno

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Next up…

… Obowma will issue an Executive Order moving the elections to 2020.

What’s to stop him…?

Seven Percent Solution on June 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM

And one could argue that Americans, with our two identitical political “choices” and our subservience to global capital are just as “serfed” as western Europeans. Except fatter and with more processed poisonous food.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Yeah, you could argue that…if this was open mike night at the Improv.

cicerone on June 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM

True – dictators was too strong a term to describe all of them. But describing their citizens as serfs was not too much of a stretch.

gwelf on June 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM

And one could argue that Americans, with our two identitical political “choices” and our subservience to global capital are just as “serfed” as western Europeans. Except fatter and with more processed poisonous food.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

You arre indeed, most of fhe poison went to your head, obviously…and pls leave us out of your general stupidity, don’t call people fat when probably more half of us on this forum are in better shape and healthier eaters than you will ever be, marxist moocher…

jimver on June 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Obama is completely lawless. He is operating like a 3rd world dictator.

tetriskid on June 15, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Don’t suga-coat yer daddy.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 12:22 PM

gwelf on June 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM

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And one could argue that Americans, with our two identitical political “choices” and our subservience to global capital are just as “serfed” as western Europeans. Except fatter and with more processed poisonous food.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

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We are now.

Most of us here are trying to reverse this situation any way we can, short of civil war.

And you’re not boosting our confidence any.

listens2glenn on June 15, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Why are you trying to pretend that this is all about labor?

Because that’s how the topic was crafted in the blog post….

Are you completely unaware of the benefits that are available to non-deported residents of this country?

Does a work visa allow an adult to use medicaid or foodstamps if they don’t have a dependent? I think not. And children, regardless of citizenship, have access to the welfare state now.

Do you believe that a country has sovereign rights?

Global capital doesn’t care about sovereignty, and we’re consistently told that corporatists know best. Why should I care about national soverignty if our employers don’t?

Do you even believe in property rights at all?

Of course, what does that have to do with this topic?

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:23 PM

You do know that even if you don’t say “white Democrats” everyone still knows that you’re hoping for this to turn off white voters, taking advantage of racial antipathy towards Latinos. No one is fooled.

libfreeordie

Poll African-Americans on the question of Amnesty and see how well it does. What about LEGAL Hispanic-Americans that are against amnesty, it’s nearly 50%. And yes also white, working class Democrats usually oppose amnesty, mainly because it depresses wages until they’re out of a job.

Are all these people racists for not wanting open border policies?
If they are, most of them are in YOUR Party, not the GOP.

BradTank on June 15, 2012 at 12:23 PM

And everyone seems determined to let him get away with it.

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Nah. Nov. 6 will be a glorious night. It’s not even going to be close. People lie to the pollsters like never before. I’ll give you a tip. Count the numbers of Obama-stickers you see on cars, compared to 2008.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Next up…

… Obowma will issue an Executive Order moving the elections to 2020.

What’s to stop him…?

Seven Percent Solution on June 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM

I’m sure McConnell and Cantor will say something in front of a microphone.

But actually do something… that might take time away from insider trading.

tetriskid on June 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM

The U.S. worker competes with non-U.S. citizens every single day. Whether they live in this country or not. This is what is so childish about working and middle class conservatives on immigration. There is no closed border for labor, but you pretend like there is until a non-citizen actually moves in next door. It is ridiculous really. NAFTA, the WTO, the global economy has been in place for decades and you all are complaining about illegal migrants? It’d be hilarious if it was fricking tragic.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM

We understand the realities of a global economy and it’s implications for working men and women.

As many have pointed out, the law has requirements for foreigners who wants to enter our workforce.

Of course, that law can be changed, but the Executive Branch does not have the authority to change that law on its own.

One cannot make an illegal act legal via an illegal act. The key word here, libfreeordie, is legal. All your arguments that do not consider that are irrelevant.

davidk on June 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM

And one could argue that Americans, with our two identitical political “choices” and our subservience to global capital are just as “serfed” as western Europeans. Except fatter and with more processed poisonous food.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

We are moving towards serfdom. It has nothing to do with subservience to global capital (whatever that is – did you just get back from protesting the Bilderburg conference?) and everything to do with federal and state government stripping citizens of their liberty and promoting dependency in the citizenry.

gwelf on June 15, 2012 at 12:26 PM

You do know that even if you don’t say “white Democrats” everyone still knows that you’re hoping for this to turn off white voters, taking advantage of racial antipathy towards Latinos. No one is fooled.

libfreeordie

…and it will, and you can’t stop it you fool, and you are still the anti-Mormon bigots. You can call anyone anyting. When people are in that voting booth you have zero control over them. It will make you eat your lungs out.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Ummm… I don’t think Obama has the power to do this on his own, just another “SQUIRREL” moment from his campaign.

El_Terrible on June 15, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Next vote buying tricks…

Forgives mortgage debt

Forgives student loan debt

petefrt on June 15, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Sinclair Lewis was wrong–it can happen here. But it won’t be from the Right.

I don’t care what you believe about the merits loosening immigration laws where people were brought here as children, this is flat out illegal and un-Constitutional. Executive authority does not extend to ignoring “duly-constituted” laws.

This is doubly infuriating after Holder’s asinine comments about Issa trying to force a Constitutional crisis.

These people, not the Right, are a “Clear and Present Danger” to the republic.

ConservativeLA on June 15, 2012 at 12:27 PM

DOTUS.

Dictator of the United States?

Destroyer of the United States?

Dismantler of the United States?

Any of these fit?

Congress is the gutless, cowardly, pathetic bunch of bleeeeeeeeeps I expected them to be.

***and of course giving amnesty, and then spreading it to their parents will do what to the U.S. with a wide open border to the south?

Result in…………more illegals looking for the same freebies?

DOTUS.

PappyD61 on June 15, 2012 at 12:28 PM

When people go to vote they don’t say “Mhhh, I don’t need to be a bigot today, I need to be nice to the black president, I need to consider the well-being of all those non-white people”.

They’ll say “am I and my family better off than we were in Nov. 2008″.

Leftistforlife, guess what? The answer is a resounding “NO”. That’s the only thing that will determine how they vote.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Another day of the communists crashing the system. You ready for that global currency?

tom daschle concerned on June 15, 2012 at 12:29 PM

You do know that even if you don’t say “white Democrats” everyone still knows that you’re hoping for this to turn off white voters, taking advantage of racial antipathy towards Latinos. No one is fooled.

libfreeordie

Geez, somebody deport this idiot from HR already….

jimver on June 15, 2012 at 12:29 PM

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM

.

One cannot make an illegal act legal via an illegal act. The key word here, libfreeordie, is legal. All your arguments that do not consider that are irrelevant.

davidk on June 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM

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Thank you, I’ve been waiting for someone else to say it.

listens2glenn on June 15, 2012 at 12:29 PM

It is ridiculous really. NAFTA, the WTO, the global economy has been in place for decades and you all are complaining about illegal migrants? It’d be hilarious if it was fricking tragic.

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM

All the items you mention are “legal”, you fool.

The only thing which is tragic is that you are a crook, and so is your president.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 12:30 PM

One cannot make an illegal act legal via an illegal act. The key word here, libfreeordie, is legal. All your arguments that do not consider that are irrelevant.

davidk on June 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Leftists are illegal crooks.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 12:31 PM

OT: Rasmussen survey conducted yesterday puts Michigan at Obama 50, Romney 42. To my knowledge this is the first time Ras has polled the MI race. Should put RCP average at Obama +5.4% (had been +4.7% prior to this poll).

steebo77 on June 15, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Sen. Robert Menendez, D-New Jersey

“For all the young people (ILLEGALS) who call this country their home (AHEM, IT’S MEXICO, YA DOOFUS) but have been unable to fulfill their dreams (BECAUSE OF THE GOP), I am profoundly grateful to the President and the Administration for suspending the deportation of Dreamers (CRIMINALS).

For these young men and women (ILLEGALS) who want to become doctors, teachers, police officers and soldiers, this announcement will change their lives forever.(AND HELP TO EXPLODE OUR DEFICITS WITH ENTITLEMENTPALOOZA)”

PappyD61 on June 15, 2012 at 12:31 PM

911,000 unemployed Hispanic women welcome this announcement.

Obama’s War on Hispanic Women.

faraway on June 15, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Nah. Nov. 6 will be a glorious night. It’s not even going to be close. People lie to the pollsters like never before. I’ll give you a tip. Count the numbers of Obama-stickers you see on cars, compared to 2008.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Sorry, but when you let the Rule of Law be killed like this, an election does nothing to repair the problem. Either the Rule of Law is defended or you end up with a lawless nation that will not be long for this world.

Some things cannot be repaired on the cheap. This action demands impeachment. Nothing less. Otherwise, you can turn the lights out, no matter who gets elected into an office that is now acknowledged to have no limits on it, at all.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 15, 2012 at 12:32 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 15, 2012 at 12:32 PM

No disagreement here.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 12:33 PM

If he is allowed to get away with this what is to stop him from issuing an executive order implementing mandates even if SCOTUS overturns them cancelling the elections in November?

Right Mover on June 15, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Obama hates the U.S.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I do have a proposal, perhaps these “children” should not be allowed to vote at this young age where they still can’t care for themselves or be responsible for their actions… voting seems a great weight to lay upon their 30 year old shoulders doesn’t it?

Oh, this is your 30 year old baby? He’s so cute… Cootchie-Cootchie-COO.

gekkobear on June 15, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Not sure why people are reading this wrong.

Under the administration plan, illegal immigrants will be immune from deportation if they were brought to the United States before they turned 16 and are younger than 30

There are two requirements that have to be met.

The first requirement is that the person must have been brought to the United States before they turned 16. That’s one requirement all on it’s own. If they don’t meet that requirement, then they won’t benefit from this rule.

The second requirement is that they must currently be younger than 30. So, anyone 30 or over who was brought into the country younger than 16, would NOT be covered by this rule. It’s an attempt to not conflict with the 1986 amnesty. If they didn’t take advantage of the amnesty back then, they’re not going to get a second chance this time around.

They are not saying anyone under 30 gets amnesty.

If they don’t meet the first requirement, then the rule doesn’t apply. If they were brought over at the age of 17 then no go. They will still be subject to deportation.

ButterflyDragon on June 15, 2012 at 12:34 PM

President Obama has decided that the Homeland Security Department will no longer deport younger illegal immigrants who haven’t broken the law, and will instead issue them work permits.

timberline on June 15, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Count the numbers of Obama-stickers you see on cars, compared to 2008.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 12:24 PM

I saw one yesterday. It was the first one I have seen in a month.

faraway on June 15, 2012 at 12:34 PM

HEY CONGRESS — JUST GO ON HOME !!

Axion on June 15, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Congress IS home….they are on recess this week.

tencole on June 15, 2012 at 12:34 PM

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

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. . . . . and you are still the anti-Mormon Christianity bigots.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 12:26 PM

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That’s not a criticism, Schaden’. I just think it more accurately represents American Socialists.

listens2glenn on June 15, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Next he’ll issue them voting docs.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 12:35 PM

You all do realize that some of us have things to do outside of debating on this blog right?

libfreeordie on June 14, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Why so you spend so much effort lying?

Bmore on June 15, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Dictator of the United States?

Destroyer of the United States?

Dismantler of the United States?

DOTUS.

PappyD61 on June 15, 2012 at 12:28 PM

DDDOTUS?

davidk on June 15, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Clearly Obama is more interested in jobs for illegal immigrants than unemployed Americans in this recession.

Romney needs to point that out over and over.

Daemonocracy on June 15, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Labor competition is supposed to be between US Citizens.

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

What?

Socialist protectionists everywhere.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Obama is completely lawless. He is operating like a 3rd world dictator.

tetriskid on June 15, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Yes, he is. Worse, our spineless congress will not stop him.

On a related note did you all know that the Department of state has issued the maximum number of H1-B visas available for the year?

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-13/h1-b-visas-hit-the-cap-companies-go-to-plan-b#r=read

FTA:”For Silicon Valley, a day of ritual disappointment came on June 12: The U.S. announced that the slots for 2013 H-1B visas had all been filled.

On the first business day in April, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services opens the rounds of petitioning for these coveted visas for highly skilled foreign workers. The agency awards the 85,000 visas on a first-come, first-served basis and companies scramble to get in their applications for foreign hires as quickly as they can. (Human resources managers, knowing the cap was close to being filled, worked through the weekend, racing to file.) The cap has been the same since 2004, with 65,000 slots for foreign hires and 20,000 spaces reserved for graduates of U.S. universities.”

Why are we hiring foreigners again?

http://www.mnforsustain.org/matloff_testimony_myth_of_labor_software_shortage.htm#6.%20On%20Skills%20Requirements

FTA:” Debunking the Myth of a Desperate Software Labor Shortage

Testimony to the U.S. House Judiciary Committee
Subcommittee on Immigration”

dogsoldier on June 15, 2012 at 12:36 PM

That’s not a criticism, Schaden’. I just think it more accurately represents American Socialists.

listens2glenn on June 15, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Fine by me. I just wanted to reming the bigots calling us bigots to look in the mirror, the swine.

p.s. my sincere apologies to the good and clean critters.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 12:36 PM

President Obama has decided that the Homeland Security Department will no longer deport younger illegal immigrants who haven’t broken the law, and will instead issue them work permits.

But I thought that simply being in the country illegally is breaking the law?

How stupid of me to contradict the word of “The One”.

timberline on June 15, 2012 at 12:36 PM

You know…

… Obowma already gave some oil rich Alaska islands to Russia, what’s stopping him from giving California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and Texas to Mexico for a few votes?

He will deem it so…

… the “Press” will stand around looking at each other, and Congress will be shuffling papers, or whatever they do.

Seven Percent Solution on June 15, 2012 at 12:36 PM

I just emailed my senators. Let’s get busy, people!

chelie on June 15, 2012 at 12:37 PM

We are falling into a trap when our reaction to Obama’s move is to debate policy. Regardless of where one stands on immigration policy, Obama’s actions are an abuse of power and a violation of law and of his oath of office.

Romney’s reaction needs to be:

Yes, we need to continue our national debate on immigration. Yes, we need to change the laws, and we have a system for doing that. Until then, it is the president’s sworn duty to uphold the laws that congress has created. President Obama has abrogated his sworn duty and abused his power. This needs to stop.

topdog on June 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

True. The problem is that voters don’t really care about process issues.

The GOP should have moved Rubio’s bill much faster.

It was pure stupidity to allow Obama to play this card.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 12:38 PM

I know people don’t like to hear this term used… “illegal” but all this talk about “rules” being amended, waived or ignored, ignores the fact that people in this country unlawfully (better word) are in violation of federal law.

What I would love to see, merely for the irony involved, is the case where someone in this country illegally is ordered deported by a federal court and the President says “nuh, uh, not gonna do it.” Does the court then hold Janet and BHO in contempt and, if so, can they serve time in the same cell?

When the President of the United States announces his intention to violate the law of the nation deliberately (for purely political gain in this case), Articles of Impeachment should be flying off the presses. And, I know, that’s just soooooo extreme, we don’t talk about such things.

Since when have we become so shy about defending our (emphasis on the word OUR – not their) Constitution and our Republic?

He disgusts me. And, sometimes, we disgust me as well. Willing victims enable the crime. Atlas Shrugged 101.

IndieDogg on June 15, 2012 at 12:38 PM

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