Breaking: Obama administration to loosen deportation rules

posted at 10:44 am on June 15, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

So, the “framing” economic speech yesterday was a bust — yeah, they’re going to need us to move away from that ol’ chestnut pretty quickly — so here comes the next big talking point in the Obama-campaign wheelhouse.

President Obama has decided that the Homeland Security Department will no longer deport younger illegal immigrants who haven’t broken the law, and will instead issue them work permits.

 The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of an influential Latino electorate that has been vocal in its opposition to administration deportation policies.

The policy change, described to The Associated Press by two senior administration officials, will affect as many as 800,000 immigrants who have lived in fear of deportation. It also bypasses Congress and partially achieves the goals of the so-called DREAM Act, a long-sought but never enacted plan to establish a path toward citizenship for young people who came to the United States illegally but who have attended college or served in the military.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano was to announce the new policy Friday, one week before President Barack Obama plans to address the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials’ annual conference in Orlando, Fla. Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney is scheduled to speak to the group on Thursday.

Updates to follow…

Update: At least as far as the Latino community is concerned (and opinion abounds on the electoral significance of Latinos as a voting group, and whether they really vote so monolithically), this is going to present a stiff challenge for Romney’s campaign. As ABC points out:

The Obama administration is likely to deny that politics played a role in the announcement, but the timing is ideal for the president’s reelection campaign. In the GOP primary, Mitt Romney adopted strictly conservative positions against illegal immigration in his effort to woo right-wing voters. He backs a strong fence along the border with Mexico, opposes most amnesty and boasts of his move as Massachusetts governor to deny in-state tuition for illegal immigrants. …

Obama’s announcement today is likely to curry favor with Hispanics, a key growing voting bloc who could determine the winner in November in important states like Florida, Colorado and Nevada. The president currently beats Romney among Hispanics in polls, but most Latinos say they disapprove of his deportation policy.

Deportation rates under President Obama have actually been relatively high — a point about which many Latino voters and immigration advocates have been displeased. This could be a crucial appeasement-move that will inspire Latinos to get to polls in November.

Can President Obama even do this without Congressional approval? I’m not sure, but then again, it hardly matters. If he can, great; if he can’t, great: It’s just another jab he can aim at an “obstructionist,” “do-nothing” Congress.

Update (Ed): So …. he’s going to hand out hundreds of thousands of work permits when unemployment is at 8.2% nominal, 14.8% U-6, and the civilian participation rate is near the 30-year low Obama set last month (now 63.8%)?  The only thing this accomplishes is driving the labor rate further downward and the unemployment rate further upward.  Work permits make sense when you’re creating jobs, but not when jobs are scarce.  I’m not sure that’s going to endear Obama to unions and blue-collar voters struggling to find work already.

Update (back to Erika): A calculated move to steal some of Sen. Marco Rubio’s alternative-DREAM-Act thunder? It’s widely known that Sen. Rubio has been crafting legislation that would give visas to undocumented immigrants who were brought here as children if they attend college or join the military, though it would not provide legal permanent residency — and President Obama’s plan sounds pretty darn similar. Plenty of Republicans aren’t exactly thanking Rubio for his upcoming proposal, but as a tea-party rockstar with Hispanic roots, Rubio is a major threat to Democrats’ claim that they’re the best political party for Latinos’ interests. Team Obama definitely needed to get out in front on this one.

Update: Here are some immediate reactions from our Congresspeople concerning the Obama campaign’s — er, sorry, I mean, the White House’s — newest immigration policy.

Rep. Allen West, R-Florida

“This is yet another example of executive branch overreach. We have a legislative process that ensures representative governance by the consent of the American people. This action should be crafted into legislation, debated in committee and brought before the House and Senate for vote, with accordance of our Constitutional Republic way. Secretary Napolitano is an unelected administrative bureaucrat who does not have the right to make governing decisions for this country. It is apparent that the goal of the Obama administration is not to govern, but rule by edict. This again is a reflection of the desperation of President Obama and his liberal progressive disciples as November draws nearer. …

Sen. Robert Menendez, D-New Jersey

“For all the young people who call this country their home but have been unable to fulfill their dreams, I am profoundly grateful to the President and the Administration for suspending the deportation of Dreamers. For these young men and women who want to become doctors, teachers, police officers and soldiers, this announcement will change their lives forever.”

Update: Let Homeland Security Secretary Napolitano be clear: This is not to be confused with amnesty.

“A grant of deferred action is not immunity, it is not amnesty,” Napolitano told reporters. “It is an exercise of discretion.”

Update: Sen. Rubio responded by saying that the content of Obama’s proposal is “welcome news,” but was quick to decry the manner of it:

“Today’s announcement will be welcome news for many of these kids desperate for an answer, but it is a short term answer to a long term problem,” the Cuban American Rubio said in a statement. “And by once again ignoring the Constitution and going around Congress, this short term policy will make it harder to find a balanced and responsible long term one.”


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joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM

I had tacitly endorsed Rubio’s plan, but then I saw him widely criticized by the same putative Latino spokespersons that are praising Obama for the same plan by fiat.

I have come to realize that any immigration “reform” is just a Democrat attempt to stuff the ballot box. There is nothing virtuous about their motives. There are some illegal Latinos for whom abortion, traditional marriage and fidelity to the Constitution matter, but they are the minority of the bunch.

The Count on June 15, 2012 at 3:48 PM

It is the first baby step of a budding tyrant.

There are many more examples of this kind of lawless behavior.

The first I remember was when Obama imposed his own bankruptcy on GM, moving the secured creditors to the end of the line and elevating the UAW.

Another example – violating a Federal court order in Hornbeck v. Salazar concerning the moratorium on drilling in the East Gulf. The Obama Admin refused to obey an order to lift the moratorium and simply issued another one – and was found in contempt of court. Can you imagine the media firestorm if GWB had pulled something like that?

Another example – refusing to enforce DOMA even though it is the law of the land.

TarheelBen on June 15, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Barry outsmarted us today.

Now our folks are becoming (hopefully temporarily) deranged.

God help us.

faraway on June 15, 2012 at 3:50 PM

TarheelBen on June 15, 2012 at 3:48 PM

I agree. If the media did its job and informed people about what Obama does, he’d have about 10% of the vote by now.

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 3:51 PM

It is an illegal act, and a violation of his oath of office. It is the first baby step of a budding tyrant.

The political damage to him could be fatal if the Republicans push it to impeachment. While keeping up the full-bore economic criticism at the same time, of course.

spiritof61 on June 15, 2012 at 3:43 PM

It is not an illegal act, it is a lawless act. Obama has decided to ignore a co-equal branch of government, the ones rightfully in charge of crafting legislation. He’s decided to issue fiats from 1600 Pennsylvania.

And while on the subject his comment that these criminals are “Americans” everywhere except on paper is flat out wrong. They are not American in the eyes of the law. Obama granting them a de facto version of amnesty will not stand. This is doubling down on the same kind of arrogance that led him to attack religious freedom.

Happy Nomad on June 15, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Joana is the female angryed. Came on these boards professing to be a “conservative,” but will end up voting for Obama (whom she was, indeed, a supporter of all along) because she is a dyed-in-the-wool leftist who decries “name-calling” in one post while turning around to call someone a “moron” or an “idiot” in the next post.

Please, folks. Be done with her. She is getting orgasmic delight at having taken over this thread.

Right Mover on June 15, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Barry outsmarted us today.

Now our folks are becoming (hopefully temporarily) deranged.

God help us.

faraway on June 15, 2012 at 3:50 PM

He does this, plus 1001 more, simply because he can.

The Rs are a bunch of sissies.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Heckler was Munro, nutjob reporter from The Daily Caller. Show some f-ing respect.

lostmotherland on June 15, 2012 at 2:49 PM

*Snort* You’re funny.

Night Owl on June 15, 2012 at 3:52 PM

There’s the liberal talking point. The process doesn’t matter, just the end result. The ends justifies the means. People aren’t as stupid as liberals think.

MobileVideoEngineer on June 15, 2012 at 3:48 PM

My problem here is with the separation of powers.

I’m not going to lose time arguing with anyone who thinks that doesn’t matter or is a minor issue. To me it’s actually a much more important one than immigration reform.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 1:42 PM

I also reckon people who share my opinion are a tiny minority – this has happened multiple times under Obama, Bush and others and the very large majority of the population doesn’t care. So, it’s just naive to believe it’ll be different this time.

But as I said, good luck. You’re going to end disappointed, but I appreciate the enthusiasm.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:47 PM

joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Obama is shameless.

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Next, the Jackass is telling us how patriotic these _____’s are, they salute the flag, bla-bla.

So who are those high-school kids that nearly riot when a real American wears a US flag on a shirt? Who are those masses of people that fill the streets in our cities with huge Mexican flags? Why do our schools celebrate Mecican holidays? Where are all the ‘Mexican but US patriots’ that Jackass apparently sees?

slickwillie2001 on June 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Please stop with the ‘impeachment’ nonsense.

Please.

Stay focused. Don’t blow it.

faraway on June 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Agreed. Impeachment would probably not happen before the election, and would likely backfire politically.

So, do we make the election a referendum on Obama’s abuse of power?
Or, do we continue to focus on the economy?
Can we do both, or need we choose?

topdog on June 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Please, folks. Be done with her. She is getting orgasmic delight at having taken over this thread.

Right Mover on June 15, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Wow… I’d hate to meet her in person if this is the only way she can get an orgasm.

MobileVideoEngineer on June 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM

I had tacitly endorsed Rubio’s plan, but then I saw him widely criticized by the same putative Latino spokespersons that are praising Obama for the same plan by fiat.

I have come to realize that any immigration “reform” is just a Democrat attempt to stuff the ballot box. There is nothing virtuous about their motives. There are some illegal Latinos for whom abortion, traditional marriage and fidelity to the Constitution matter, but they are the minority of the bunch.

The Count on June 15, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Those “Latino spokespersons” are just Democrat hacks. They represent nobody except Democrats.

Rubio’s plan had wide support among Latinos (and whites), regardless of the criticism coming from those idiots.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Nobody cares. As a rule, voters don’t care about process issues. I mean, see how most people even here make this about immigration and not Separation of Powers. A few people in the right will raise that issue, like a few on the left used to do with Bush, but those voters are already locked up.

This isn’t the first unconstitutional EO Obama issued. Did all the others matter? Of course not, most people can’t point a single one.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:44 PM

There’s the liberal talking point. The process doesn’t matter, just the end result. The ends justifies the means. People aren’t as stupid as liberals think.

MobileVideoEngineer on June 15, 2012 at 3:48 PM

She has a point. People are stupid, how do you explain 52% of the population who voted for the scoamf? Or explain how nobody cares about obama’s past associations with Wright, Ayers, SNP etc? Nah people still think he’s “cool” cause he slow jams the news and smokes weed.

1984 in real life on June 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM

It is not an illegal act, it is a lawless act.

Happy Nomad on June 15, 2012 at 3:51 PM

“Hey, taking money from that bank wasn’t an illegal act. It was a lawless act of money withdrawal. I just ignored what the law says. I’m not a thief, I’m an undocumented appropriations specialist.”

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Barry outsmarted us today.

Now our folks are becoming (hopefully temporarily) deranged.

God help us.

faraway on June 15, 2012 at 3:50 PM

He does this, plus 1001 more, simply because he can.

The Rs are a bunch of sissies.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 3:52 PM

I do not understand this. What have the Republicans got to do with this obvious election year ploy on the part of Obama?

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Imagine that – a constitutional law professor lecturer who does not understand that little thing in the constitution about “All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a CONGRESS of the United States” (U.S. Constitution Article 1 Section 1).

SubmarineDoc on June 15, 2012 at 3:55 PM

She has a point. People are stupid, how do you explain 52% of the population who voted for the scoamf? Or explain how nobody cares about obama’s past associations with Wright, Ayers, SNP etc? Nah people still think he’s “cool” cause he slow jams the news and smokes weed.

1984 in real life on June 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Nah, let’s just pretend that even though this is the 434th time an unconstitutional EO is issued this decade, people do care.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Nobody cares. As a rule, voters don’t care about process issues. I mean, see how most people even here make this about immigration and not Separation of Powers. A few people in the right will raise that issue, like a few on the left used to do with Bush, but those voters are already locked up.

This isn’t the first unconstitutional EO Obama issued. Did all the others matter? Of course not, most people can’t point a single one.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:44 PM

There’s the liberal talking point. The process doesn’t matter, just the end result. The ends justifies the means. People aren’t as stupid as liberals think.

MobileVideoEngineer on June 15, 2012 at 3:48 PM

The Tea Party is nothing more than a bunch of right-wing extremist astro-turfers. Their movement will have no effect on the politics of this country. Democrats will retain the House and add more seats to the Senate.

Flora Duh on June 15, 2012 at 3:56 PM

faraway on June 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM

I agree with you that impeachment talk is ridiculous five months out from an election. The whole impeachment process would take longer than that.

However, you really are a jackass in the way you think there isn’t anything particularly off by what Obama did. Perhaps you should learn a little bit about our government and spend a little less time attacking people angry over circumventing the Constitution. I’m currently reading a book about how the Nationalist Socialist Party (the Nazis) took over Germany by incremental steps much like what Obama did today. How dare you suggest we should just ignore it and move on! Again, stop being a preachy jackass.

Happy Nomad on June 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM

joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:41 PM

I’m not angry at babies, but I don’t believe they should get a free pass, either.

I AM angry at our pathetic excuse for a “president.” He has no right to do this, according to the Constitution (which he clearly disdains).

I don’t care what a person’s age is, they should have to abide by the existing laws of our country.

And that especially goes for the Narcissist-in-Chief, Oblameo

TheClearRiver on June 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM

argg, even Ace has gone unhinged. He’s talking about ‘impeachment’.

People, this is where we have to decide if we want to vote out Obama, or just say stupid things at the computer.

faraway on June 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Barry outsmarted us today.

Now our folks are becoming (hopefully temporarily) deranged.

God help us.

faraway on June 15, 2012 at 3:50 PM

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. I think you’re giving him waaaaaaaaaay too much credit.

listens2glenn on June 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Nobody cares. As a rule, voters don’t care about process issues. I mean, see how most people even here make this about immigration and not Separation of Powers. A few people in the right will raise that issue, like a few on the left used to do with Bush, but those voters are already locked up.

This isn’t the first unconstitutional EO Obama issued. Did all the others matter? Of course not, most people can’t point a single one.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:44 PM

If what you are saying is that O’s numbers will stay the same following this announcement bruhaha (apart from a higher HIspanic turnout that might or might not make a difference in the swing states) , is it fair to say that it’s all yet another distraction and one meant as such by O’s team from the get go? I mean after all it’s an executive order that can be easily undone by the next president, and then take the legal pathway to solve this issue, congress, etc…my only problem is if this will make obama look mofe appealing as a candidate that would therefore translate in more votes for him….

jimver on June 15, 2012 at 3:58 PM

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 3:19 PM

joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Rogue Tomato is right. King is planning to sue.

Iowa Republican Rep. Steve King said Friday that he plans to sue the Obama administration to halt implementation of its newly announced selective illegal immigration law enforcement policy. He told Mike Huckabee on the former Arkansas governor’s radio program Friday that he successfully sued his own state’s governor — and won — over a similar separation-of-powers issue.

“I will tell you that — I’m not without experience on this — I’m prepared to bring a suit and seek a court order to stop implementation of this policy,” King said

I have done it once in the past successfully when then-Governor Tom Vilsack thought he could legislate by executive order — and the case of King vs. Vilsack is in the books. And that individual, by the way, is now the Secretary of Agriculture. I wonder if he’s not counseling the president on his legal proceedings.”

Huckabee followed up, asking King: “You plan to sue this administration for implementing something that you believe should have required legislative process and approval?”

INC on June 15, 2012 at 3:58 PM

…the very large majority of the population doesn’t care. So, it’s just naive to believe it’ll be different this time.

But as I said, good luck. You’re going to end disappointed, but I appreciate the enthusiasm.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:47 PM

I believe your views are in line with those of the Democratic National Committee and the White House. In fact, that’s their whole underlying premise: that nobody gives a damn whether a president breaks the law anymore, and that neither the Republican leaders in Congress nor Mitt Romney should take call out the federales on this blatant, outrageous, unconstitutional overreach.

Thanks for sharing your reasoning with us.

spiritof61 on June 15, 2012 at 3:58 PM

So, do we make the election a referendum on Obama’s abuse of power?
Or, do we continue to focus on the economy?
Can we do both, or need we choose?

topdog on June 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Sadly, too many independent voters just don’t care about abuse of power. It’s the economy for them.

Bitter Clinger on June 15, 2012 at 3:58 PM

I think everyone is missing the point in this.

America deserves it, the American people put this guy in office. The country deserves the government it elects, the American People voted for this, it’s their fault period

Conservative4ev on June 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM

If Obamacare gets shot down…and the Arizona immigration law is upheld and Obama just decides to ignore the other branches of government and play king here….will it make some Independents wonder if this guy really understands our system of government?

One would think so…

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Obama is shameless.

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Yes, yes he is….the Republicans always fall into the same trap that they think he plays by the same rules we do.

tencole on June 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM

argg, even Ace has gone unhinged. He’s talking about ‘impeachment’.

People, this is where we have to decide if we want to vote out Obama, or just say stupid things at the computer.

faraway on June 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM

How the heck would impeachment happen with a Democrat-majority Senate? They’d never vote to convict, ala Clinton.

Bitter Clinger on June 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Race card slammed upon the card table …
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/06/15/msnbc_guest_would_a_white_president_get_heckled-comments.html

Forgive, if posted earlier … This thread is LOOONG … LOL.

pambi on June 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

“Hey, taking money from that bank wasn’t an illegal act. It was a lawless act of money withdrawal. I just ignored what the law says. I’m not a thief, I’m an undocumented appropriations specialist.”

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Except that there are laws against taking money (other than your own) from banks. What Obama did today was essentially double down on his attack on religious freedom and declare that HHS should suspend the law concerning illegals. Nepoletano is about to commit an illegal act. Directing her to do that is lawless.

Happy Nomad on June 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Sadly, too many independent voters just don’t care about abuse of power. It’s the economy for them.

Bitter Clinger on June 15, 2012 at 3:58 PM

This abuse of power adversely affects the economy (employment).

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Barry outsmarted us today.

Now our folks are becoming (hopefully temporarily) deranged.

God help us.

faraway on June 15, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Nope. Barry outsmarted himself today. His Homeland Security secretary is already trying to walk this back, screaming that it’s “Not amnesty! Not amnesty!” and it’s being hailed as his “jobs program for illegals!” There simply aren’t enough Hispanic votes to mitigate the disaster this is going to be for Barry with non-Hispanic voters.

Rational Thought on June 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

“There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply, through executive order, ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.”

– President Obama, May 2011

gekkobear on June 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

I also reckon people who share my opinion are a tiny minority – this has happened multiple times under Obama, Bush and others and the very large majority of the population doesn’t care.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:47 PM

I like that your justification for Obama committing a serious crime is “Nobody cares.”

I also like how you immediately try to draw some kind of equivalency between how Obama and Bush governed as well.

Doomberg on June 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Conservative4ev on June 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Not everyone in the U.S. voted for this guy. Don’t blame every person in America.

INC on June 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Gov. Jan Brewer on Cavuto.

ProudPalinFan on June 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM

“Hey, taking money from that bank wasn’t an illegal act. It was a lawless act of money withdrawal. I just ignored what the law says. I’m not a thief, I’m an undocumented appropriations specialist.”

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 3:55 PM

I thinking if I take a Little League team into a bank & have them do the lawless act we can all walk out with the cash – go hide out in plain sight somewhere & not have anything happen to all of us. I mean I am forcing them to steal & they get an automatic pass from the law – plus they never have to turn me in.

batterup on June 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM

According to that juicy Italian man, Cavuto, Romney will be making a statement on this soon.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on June 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Yes, yes he is….the Republicans always fall into the same trap that they think he plays by the same rules we do.

tencole on June 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Trap? What could they do about this? How did they fall into anything? We all knew that hispanics were not going to vote for Romney in large numbers anyway.

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM

If what you are saying is that O’s numbers will stay the same following this announcement bruhaha (apart from a higher HIspanic turnout that might or might not make a difference in the swing states) , is it fair to say that it’s all yet another distraction and one meant as such by O’s team from the get go? I mean after all it’s an executive order that can be easily undone by the next president, and then take the legal pathway to solve this issue, congress, etc…my only problem is if this will make obama look mofe appealing as a candidate that would therefore translate in more votes for him….

jimver on June 15, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Yeah, I think it helps him on the margins. Not much because Democrats already have such a large percentage of the Hispanic vote they’re maxed out. But it will help him with some centrist, suburban whites – how much depends on the Republican response. I don’t think it will be substantial, but it will be something.

And it takes off the table a potential weapon to hit him seriously on the margins. I think that’s the most important part. This isn’t about Obama scoring a basket; it’s more about causing a Republican turnover – hence avoiding a potential game winning shot by our side.

Yeah, I agree with that view in terms of policy.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM

So if a “young illegal” is given a work permit but can’t find work, how is that counted in the unemployment numbers? Can they then file for unemployment… for the full 99 months?

Not seeing how this helps any American at all.

Oh, and I’m not feeling very represented right now, am I the only one?

UnderstandingisPower on June 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM

So, do we make the election a referendum on Obama’s abuse of power?
Or, do we continue to focus on the economy?
Can we do both, or need we choose?

topdog on June 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Well, since this abuse of power will have a detrimental effect on the economy, I don’t see why the two can’t be tied to each other.

Flora Duh on June 15, 2012 at 4:03 PM

So when does Romney plan to respond to this? At the convention?

Mark1971 on June 15, 2012 at 4:03 PM

He’s saying those kids who are in Afghanistan and such will welcome these news. And they will.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Ummm, you do realize that immigrants serving in the military already have a path to citizenship via that service, don’t you?

AZfederalist on June 15, 2012 at 4:03 PM

It’s about voters. Anyone is able to register to vote, literally. This allows them to not fear going to a polling place.

The biggest issue is the THREAT of Not re-electing Obama. “If you don’t vote for me you’ll be gone”, will be the message.

This also gives him a chance in Texas and Arizona(maybe), and ups New Mexico, ensures California doesn’t go all Apathy on his azz.

John Kettlewell on June 15, 2012 at 4:03 PM

I do not understand this. What have the Republicans got to do with this obvious election year ploy on the part of Obama?

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 3:55 PM

It’s now 2012. You are the same as you were in 2008.

Schadenfreude on June 15, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Forgive, if posted earlier … This thread is LOOONG … LOL.

pambi on June 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

That’s because people are ticked off.

And I think what is more telling than the idea that Obama got heckled because he was black is the way he became so angry that anybody would dare question if granting amnesty to all these young illegals is the right thing to do vis-a-vis Americans of the same age seeking employment and a better life. They are Americans in all respect, including in the eyes of the law. Why isn’t the jug-eared Kenyan standing up for them?

Happy Nomad on June 15, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Bitter Clinger on June 15, 2012 at 3:58 PM

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This abuse of power adversely affects the economy (employment).

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

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This abuse of power compromises National security. : (

listens2glenn on June 15, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Yes, yes he is….the Republicans always fall into the same trap that they think he plays by the same rules we do.

tencole on June 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Trap? What could they do about this? How did they fall into anything? We all knew that hispanics were not going to vote for Romney in large numbers anyway.

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM

This is all about making illegal alien Mexicans and other hispanics feel secure enough in their status that they will vote in November.

slickwillie2001 on June 15, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Gov. Jan Brewer on Cavuto.

ProudPalinFan on June 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM

The finger pointer. Can she be quiet until we hear from Romney?

faraway on June 15, 2012 at 4:05 PM

I like that your justification for Obama committing a serious crime is “Nobody cares.”

Doomberg on June 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

It’s not a justification. Read again:

My problem here is with the separation of powers.

I’m not going to lose time arguing with anyone who thinks that doesn’t matter or is a minor issue. To me it’s actually a much more important one than immigration reform.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 1:42 PM

It seems this is actually a pretty big issue for me.

On the other hand, I’m not delusional. I’m aware 90% of the voters don’t agree with me. Republicans and Democrats alike. They only agree when they don’t like the endgame.

I also like how you immediately try to draw some kind of equivalency between how Obama and Bush governed as well.

Doomberg on June 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Why wouldn’t I? Two horrible, socialist, presidents.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Those “Latino spokespersons” are just Democrat hacks. They represent nobody except Democrats.

Rubio’s plan had wide support among Latinos (and whites), regardless of the criticism coming from those idiots.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM

That’s probably true, but it’s pretty emblematic of the support he enjoyed with Latinos before this announcement.

Look, the GOP sucks at pandering. We freaking ended slavery and forced Democrats to drop their segregation plank out of principle, but LBJ signed the bill (privately saying so “those n***** will be voting Democratic for the next 200 years), had his useless War on Poverty, and now they’ve vote uniformly voted Democrat ever since. That’s right – we deliver them freedom, and they knife us in the back every time they step into the voting booth.

Again, what’s the upshot here? I’ll make concessions short of amnesty – and done through Congress. If they want citizenship, get in line.

The Count on June 15, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Nope. Barry outsmarted himself today. His Homeland Security secretary is already trying to walk this back, screaming that it’s “Not amnesty! Not amnesty!” and it’s being hailed as his “jobs program for illegals!” There simply aren’t enough Hispanic votes to mitigate the disaster this is going to be for Barry with non-Hispanic voters.

Rational Thought on June 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Yes, and a lot of the hispanics that vote Democrat live in states that are Democrat states…like California. I doubt that the Cuban American community in Florida cares about this. And there are not a lot of hispanics in places like Ohio.

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Is Obama off for the weekend now, letting his underlings handle the fallout all weekend long on the talk shows?

INC on June 15, 2012 at 4:05 PM

There’s a new thread for Joana to make an azz of herself.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on June 15, 2012 at 4:06 PM

“There are times where — until Nancy Pelosi is Speaker again — I’d like to work my way around Congress… We live in a democracy, and at the end of the day, I can’t do this all by myself under our democratic system,” he added. “If we’re going to do big things — whether it’s passing this jobs bill, or the DREAM Act, or comprehensive immigration reform — we’re going to have to get Congress to act.”

- Obama, 2011

Obama, himself, didn’t say it would be inappropriate or unnecessarily bold to do this by himself. He said he CAN’T do this by himself. So this is Obama vs. Obama — he claims he violated the constitution which he swore to uphold.

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Rogue Tomato is right. King is planning to sue.

INC on June 15, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Dear, you probably missed this:

Do you even understand what an impeachment is? The difference between suing the administration – something that happens more often than you think – and initiating an impeachment proceeding?

I think you’re a bit confused.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:22 PM

I never said nobody would sue. That’s pretty immaterial. Fruitless grandstanding. I said impeachment proceedings wouldn’t be initiated. Can you understand the difference? Please, let me know.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 4:07 PM

My problem here is with the separation of powers.

Bullsh!t. You already stated that you were ticked that Rubio didn’t get his anti-American amnesty through FIRST. Only after you took a little heat did you start to pretend that this was a separation of powers issue. You’ve been ducking, weaving, and lying all through this thread.

I’m not going to lose time arguing with anyone who thinks that doesn’t matter or is a minor issue. To me it’s actually a much more important one than immigration reform.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 1:42 PM

“Immigration reform”? Do you speak English? The issue of amnesty has nothing to do with “immigration reform”. You went apesh!t trying to claim a small victory by abusing another commenter who mistakenly wrote “US Citizens”, which everyone who read his comment understood what he meant. I told you, in my response to you that you liars are always trying to slip your idiotic arguments indisingenuously by using “immigrants” instead of “illegal aliens” and here you do exactly that – and then repost it in a later comment.

You are a disingenuous liar and should stop, already. You’re a nut. Now you claim to care about the Constitution (waiving specious claims of everyone else having violated the Supreme Law of the Land just like the Indonesian Dog-Eater is doing – LOL) more than your intentionally wrongly described anti-American desire to do away with our rule of law.

You are pathetic. Really.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 15, 2012 at 4:07 PM

They’d never vote to convict, ala Clinton.

Bitter Clinger on June 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Yes, of course there would be no conviction. But there would be a trial, and votes would be recorded. During an election campaign.

(Clinton was guilty of his charges, incidentally, although acquitted by the Senate.)

spiritof61 on June 15, 2012 at 4:07 PM

So when does Romney plan to respond to this? At the convention?

Mark1971 on June 15, 2012 at 4:03 PM

A couple points.

This really isn’t Romney’s fight. This has to be taken on by the GOP leaders in Congress because it is their turf Obama violated by this lawless act. (I know, we’ll see where that goes)

Secondly, I think Romney’s response so far was just about right. He pointed out it was a shame that Obama would have done this so close to the election when he had 3.5 years to deal with immigration reform if that was a priority.

Happy Nomad on June 15, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Note that the proggies always throw in the little bauble about “those serving in the military” because they know conservatives are generally going to approve of that tiny insignificant numbers-wise aspect of this. A few thousand in the military, and thirty-million not, and the military program has been in effect and fully legal for years anyway.

slickwillie2001 on June 15, 2012 at 4:08 PM

You’re falling on deaf ears. Whiteness is a helluva drug #RickJamesShade

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 3:02 PM

I don’t care what color you are, or what color Obama is. You and he are both a$$holes. Why don’t you go somewhere else with your crybaby race card crap? That is so 2008.

Night Owl on June 15, 2012 at 4:09 PM

This is all about making illegal alien Mexicans and other hispanics feel secure enough in their status that they will vote in November.

slickwillie2001 on June 15, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Well obviously, he is pandering…my point is that I do not see how this is a “trap” the Republicans fell into. If Obama wants to be a shameless pol who bribes people into voting for him there is not much the GOP can do about that.

Maybe we can have another court case, but I doubt if that will come to fruition before November.

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Secondly, I think Romney’s response so far was just about right. He pointed out it was a shame that Obama would have done this so close to the election when he had 3.5 years to deal with immigration reform if that was a priority.

Happy Nomad on June 15, 2012 at 4:08 PM

So Romney has responded? I haven’t seen anything anywhere about a Romney response. Did I miss it?

Mark1971 on June 15, 2012 at 4:09 PM

I dunno… this can’t be implemented tomorrow… easily rescinded by executive order… subject to judicial injunction… and any one currently under the radar has to register. Aye, there’s the rub. Sounds like a neat way to make a little list of illegal immigrants, a lot of whom are way over student-age. Who may or may not ever receive work permits.

It’s a show. A hueso for the latino community to get votes. But they may come to see it as bait.

Yes, it’s also unconstitutional.

de rigueur on June 15, 2012 at 4:10 PM

You’re falling on deaf ears. Whiteness is a helluva drug #RickJamesShade

libfreeordie on June 15, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Well…that is stupid.

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 4:10 PM

I think it’s time for another 9/12-type march on Washington – addressing this and other issues such as the unconstitutional mandate issued by HHS that violates the First Amendment.

Obama is doing these lawless acts to gin up his base; we should take some steps to gin up ours.

TarheelBen on June 15, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Romney just gave a really cr@ppy response. About as bad as he could come up with. What a jerk.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 15, 2012 at 4:11 PM

And Romney just completely blew this on the response…

DaSaintFan on June 15, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Again, what’s the upshot here? I’ll make concessions short of amnesty – and done through Congress. If they want citizenship, get in line.

The Count on June 15, 2012 at 4:05 PM

I agree. But there was no path to citizenship in Rubio’s bill.

Here are the upshot:
- take citizenship off the table. Sooner or later, immigration reform will happen. I want it to be done under our terms to avoid any path to citizenship.

- it’s just fair. I cringe at the idea that some kid who came here as a baby, never been in another country, became a good student, a good Christian, volunteered to serve in the military and fight our wars, pays his taxes and has means of subsistence shouldn’t be allowed to become a legal resident (not a citizen).

- And a large majority of the Americans agree with what I said above, so this is good politics as you’re implementing a policy almost everybody approves.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 4:11 PM

MSNBC is devoting a whole segment on the RACISM of Munro’s question to His Most Exalted Majesty, Barack Hussein Obama, Defender of the Faithless, Eater of Puppies, Wife of Michelle, Keeper of the Blame, High Priest of Liberalism, And All Around Nice Guy You Would Like to Have a Wine Cooler With.

Pathetic.

Punchenko on June 15, 2012 at 4:12 PM

I just heard Romney…he said pretty much the same thing Rubio did..he also said future presidents can reverse this.

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 4:12 PM

de rigueur on June 15, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Should have emphasized: no Federal agency currently knows who this population is. Now they’ll have a list.

de rigueur on June 15, 2012 at 4:13 PM

I dunno… this can’t be implemented tomorrow… easily rescinded by executive order… subject to judicial injunction… and any one currently under the radar has to register. Aye, there’s the rub. Sounds like a neat way to make a little list of illegal immigrants, a lot of whom are way over student-age. Who may or may not ever receive work permits.

It’s a show. A hueso for the latino community to get votes. But they may come to see it as bait.

Yes, it’s also unconstitutional.

de rigueur on June 15, 2012 at 4:10 PM

This.

22044 on June 15, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Gov. Jan Brewer on Cavuto.

ProudPalinFan on June 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM

The finger pointer. Can she be quiet until we hear from Romney?

faraway on June 15, 2012 at 4:05 PM

This directly affects AZ. There’s also a SCOTUS decision coming up.

In light of the upcoming U.S. Supreme Court’s decision on SB1070, I issued the attached Executive Order today reiterating law enforcement training to implement SB1070. I issued a similar Executive Order on April 23, 2010 when I signed SB1070 into law.

If the U.S. Supreme Court rules in favor of Arizona and against President Obama & Eric Holder, Arizona will be ready to implement and enforce the law.

Executive Order 2012-02 – Continued Law Enforcement Training for Immigration Laws
http://www.azgovernor.gov/dms/upload/EO_061212_2012-02.pdf

INC on June 15, 2012 at 4:14 PM

And Romney just completely blew this on the response…

DaSaintFan on June 15, 2012 at 4:11 PM

I don’t think so…what was he supposed to say?

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 4:14 PM

I just heard Romney…he said pretty much the same thing Rubio did..he also said future presidents can reverse this.

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 4:12 PM

What else can he do, he’s not in congress/senate, he’s not president….it’s not really his battle at this point…he can reverse it and do it right legally speaking, but only if he is president…

jimver on June 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM

volunteered to serve in the military and fight our wars, pays his taxes and has means of subsistence shouldn’t be allowed to become a legal resident (not a citizen).

joana on June 15, 2012 at 4:11 PM

So immigrants who volunteer for our military aren’t now given any path to residency and citizenship? Really?

oldroy on June 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM

I agree. But there was no path to citizenship in Rubio’s bill.

Illegals are not trying to steal citizenship. They are already citizens of other nations. They are trying to make minced meat of our law, vomit on the concept of American sovereignty, and gain the privilege of residency and working in America. They are entitled to none of of that and to give any to them is amnesty and most general lack of respect for the rule of law or understanding of the foundation of law as the bedrock of a civilized society. To offer citizenship is to give them something they didn’t pursue and never even dreamt of getting. It is beyond amnesty and beyond plain aiding and abetting.

Get a brain, dullard.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 15, 2012 at 4:17 PM

I think one of the reasons Obama did this, was the hope that the GOP would go ballistic and they could call them all racists…again..as usual.

I think they need to respond to this by saying it is a naked political move designed to get votes and that it does not change the law and offers nothing real.

It is like gay marriage…first Obama says he supports it and then he says it should be left up to the states..he does not exactly promise to make it part of the Democratic platform.

It is all a game.

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Mitt Romney has done a nice 360 from his primary talking points. I expected a stronger response but he was so RINO moderate that he didn’t even guarantee nor said that he was gonna reverse that executive order. Backed Rubio (whom I berated here whenever I had the chance) and tiptoed lighter than a fairy.

ProudPalinFan on June 15, 2012 at 4:18 PM

I think one of the reasons Obama did this, was the hope that the GOP would go ballistic and they could call them all racists…again..as usual.

I think they need to respond to this by saying it is a naked political move designed to get votes and that it does not change the law and offers nothing real.

It is like gay marriage…first Obama says he supports it and then he says it should be left up to the states..he does not exactly promise to make it part of the Democratic platform.

It is all a game.

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Yep, this was my conclusion too, a bit …divide and conquer…henis sooo good at that.

jimver on June 15, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Why wouldn’t I? Two horrible, socialist, presidents.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Uh, you are supporting Romney, remember? I’d be real careful with those socialist labels if I were you. Glass houses and all that.

AZfederalist on June 15, 2012 at 4:19 PM

are you really going to blame a 5 months old for crossing the border – but that have grown up to serve in the military.

People like you are a tiny, tiny, minority. Regardless of their ethnicity and of how long they’ve been around.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Thar she blows again!

Few to none “blame a 5 months old for crossing the border” but we do expect that illegal alien to go back home across the border from whence he or she came. With their illegal alien carrier/s.

Or are you now promoting ageism?

Noting that you’re continuing to claim anyone who supports enforcement of our immigration laws is some sort of Outlander from Way Far Away. You’re obviously unaware that the majority of citizens, both natural born and naturalized, DO NOT SUPPORT illegal immigration and want our laws enforced, which also means we don’t support any form of amnesty for illegal aliens.

On this issue as with so many others you’ve commented on and about here, it is you, “joana,” who is in the “tiny, tiny minority”.

Lourdes on June 15, 2012 at 4:20 PM

I agree. But there was no path to citizenship in Rubio’s bill.

Illegals are not trying to steal citizenship. They are already citizens of other nations. They are trying to make minced meat of our law, vomit on the concept of American sovereignty, and gain the privilege of residency and working in America. They are entitled to none of of that and to give any to them is amnesty and most general lack of respect for the rule of law or understanding of the foundation of law as the bedrock of a civilized society. To offer citizenship is to give them something they didn’t pursue and never even dreamt of getting. It is beyond amnesty and beyond plain aiding and abetting.

Get a brain, dullard.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 15, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Yes, dear, that’s a bit nutty. Most of them just want a job, others are criminal.

Plus, Rubio’s bill isn’t about those anyway. It’s about those who were brought in as kids or babies.

I’m all in favour of deporting those who crossed the borders knowingly.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 4:20 PM

volunteered to serve in the military and fight our wars, pays his taxes and has means of subsistence shouldn’t be allowed to become a legal resident (not a citizen).

joana on June 15, 2012 at 4:11 PM

We decide who we want to invite into our nation and who we want as citizens. They don’t get to decide what they want to do to force us to give them ANTOHER citizenship to add to the ones they already have.

BTW, you know that naturalizing Americans have to get rid of all their other citizenships? You probably don’t because you don’t seem to know much of anything.

Illegals that have been here have not been paying taxes because they aren’t legal workers, you blithering idiot. They violate the law every day they stay in our nation knowing that they are not welcome and not allowed to be here.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 15, 2012 at 4:20 PM

I just heard Romney…he said pretty much the same thing Rubio did..he also said future presidents can reverse this.

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 4:12 PM

What else can he do, he’s not in congress/senate, he’s not president….it’s not really his battle at this point…he can reverse it and do it right legally speaking, but only if he is president…

jimver on June 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM

You are right…there is not a lot he can say..but point out the obvious without saying anything that can be used in ad later. Really.

Terrye on June 15, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Yes, dear, that’s a bit nutty. Most of them just want a job, others are criminal.

They’re all criminals as they are here ILLEGALLY.

Plus, Rubio’s bill isn’t about those anyway. It’s about those who were brought in as kids or babies.

I’m all in favour of deporting those who crossed the borders knowingly.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Tough luck. Blame their parents. They need to go back to the nations they are citizens of. End of story.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 15, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Why wouldn’t I? Two horrible, socialist, presidents.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Uh, you are supporting Romney, remember? I’d be real careful with those socialist labels if I were you. Glass houses and all that.

AZfederalist on June 15, 2012 at 4:19 PM

What the crazies fail to understand is that I don’t idolize anyone, let alone Romney.

As I said multiple times, Romney was just the lesser evil in a sorry field. I’m hoping he isn’t as bad as Obama and Bush and fairly confident he’ll be much better, but if he ends up being like them, I’ll call him out as a socialist as well.

Understood now? Nah, I doubt it.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM

- it’s just fair. I cringe at the idea that some kid who came here as a baby, never been in another country, became a good student, a good Christian, volunteered to serve in the military and fight our wars, pays his taxes and has means of subsistence shouldn’t be allowed to become a legal resident (not a citizen).

- And a large majority of the Americans agree with what I said above, so this is good politics as you’re implementing a policy almost everybody approves.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 4:11 PM

I’m sure that they are all little angels like you want to think. They never carry Mexican flags in demonstrations, they never beat up kids in school for wearing American flags, they would never suggest that Americans stole land from Mexico, they would never join gangs like MS13, etc, etc.

A tiny, tiny minority of the people in question have served or are serving in the military. This is not about them.

slickwillie2001 on June 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM

This is ridiculous!

And our legislative branch just stands by and watches Obama
issue order after order, edict after edict, etc. Where are
their cojones or spine?

I don’t care what race or religion someone is. When their
shennanigans affect me and mine either with higher taxes or
more regulations I say NO.

My hairstylist is married to an hispanic; she is not too bright
so she has no idea that he married her in order to stay in this
country. She is working, he is going to school on the taxpayer’s
dime. His mother just had triple bypass surgery, also on the
taxpayer’s dime. My taxes keep going up. Enough already.

I despise the trailer trash
whites who live with their girlfriends and have children, while
the govt. pays for housing, food, health care, cell phones, etc.
along with the blacks who make a career of welfare abuse and the
hispanics who came here illegally, work and send their money to
Mexico without contributing anything to our taxpayer system.

I am done with giving to any of their so called charities and
want absolutely nothing to do with them (time for a new hair stylist). I have decided that charity should begin at home.

Amjean on June 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM

jimver on June 15, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Nobody cares. As a rule, voters don’t care about process issues. I mean, see how most people even here make this about immigration and not Separation of Powers. A few people in the right will raise that issue, like a few on the left used to do with Bush, but those voters are already locked up.

This isn’t the first unconstitutional EO Obama issued. Did all the others matter? Of course not, most people can’t point a single one.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Are you Muslim, “joana”?

Lourdes on June 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM

joana on June 15, 2012 at 4:07 PM

I assumed Rogue Tomato was replying to your statement that all were liberals because you assumed no one would call for impeachment. He was stating an action being taken by King that disputed the idea all were liberals. I thought he was perfectly able to distinguish between a lawsuit and impeachment.

INC on June 15, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Plus, Rubio’s bill isn’t about those anyway. It’s about those who were brought in as kids or babies.

I’m all in favour of deporting those who crossed the borders knowingly.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Tough luck. Blame their parents. They need to go back to the nations they are citizens of. End of story.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 15, 2012 at 4:21 PM

I respect your idea, dear, I really do.

But it’s just something where you disagree with the large majority of the American voters.

joana on June 15, 2012 at 4:23 PM

So immigrants who volunteer for our military aren’t now given any path to residency and citizenship? Really?

oldroy on June 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM

joanna the bithering idiot liar is trying to imply that illegals serve. She likes to confuse illegal aliens with legal aliens and then make her idiotic arguments. She’s a liar and a depraved imbecile.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 15, 2012 at 4:23 PM

I assumed Rogue Tomato was replying to your statement that all were liberals because you assumed no one would call for impeachment. He was stating an action being taken by King that disputed the idea all were liberals. I thought he was perfectly able to distinguish between a lawsuit and impeachment.

INC on June 15, 2012 at 4:23 PM

You thought correctly. joana is simply being a typical libturd.

The Rogue Tomato on June 15, 2012 at 4:24 PM

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