Romney goes on attack with new TV ad, “Doing Fine”

posted at 9:21 am on June 14, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

The Romney campaign goes negative for the first time, as Jim Geraghty points out,  in the general-election cycle — at least on television.  Team Romney has been hitting Barack Obama for his remark that “the private sector is doing fine” almost from the moment he said it last week.  Mitt Romney himself slammed Obama’s remarks at an appearance in swing-state Iowa, and the campaign has posted more than one web video featuring the remarks.  Now they’re putting their money where Obama’s mouth is:

CNN reports that this will have $3.24 million behind it and will air in seven swing states:

Political analysts predicted – rightly – that Obama’s words would soon end up in a political advertisement. The Republican National Committee and later the Romney campaign both put out web videos highlighting the words.

As CNN reported Thursday, Team Romney has bought its largest ad buy of the general election media campaign and this ad will be the featured presentation. It has purchased $3.24 million in seven battleground states for time running through next Tuesday.

It’s a straightforward spot, with no embellishments other than data that comes straight from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and from media analysis of the economy.  Here’s the script released from Team Romney, complete with links to the data:

VIDEO TEXT: “June 8, 2012”
 
VIDEO TEXT: “23.2 Million Americans Are In Need Of Work”

·         23.2 Million Americans Are Unemployed, Underemployed, Or Have Stopped Looking For Work. (Bureau Of Labor Statistics, www.bls.gov, 6/4/12)

VIDEO TEXT: “40 Straight Months Over 8% Unemployment”

·         Under President Obama, Unemployment Has Remained Above 8% For 40 Straight Months. (Bureau Of Labor Statistics, www.bls.gov, 6/4/12)

VIDEO TEXT: “Middle-Class Struggles Deepen Under Obama”

·         Since President Obama Took Office, Median Household Income Has Declined By $4,300. “Yet real median household income in March was down $4,300 since Obama took office in January 2009 and down $2,900 since the June 2009 start of the economic recovery, according to an analysis of census data by Sentier Research, an economic- consulting firm in Annapolis, Maryland.” (Mike Dorning, “Obama Fails To Stem Middle-Class Slide He Blamed On Bush,” Bloomberg, 4/30/12)

·         Median Family Net Worth Has Hit A Two-Decade Low. “The Great Recession shrank Americans’ wealth so much that in 2010 median family net worth was no more than it had been in 1992 after adjusting for inflation, the Federal Reserve reported Monday. Median net worth declined from $126,400 in 2007 to $77,300 in 2010, a Fed survey of family finances found. The median marks the point where half had more and half had less.” (Martin Crutsinger, “Fed Report: Middle Class Net Worth Tumbles,” The Associated Press, 6/12/12)

VIDEO TEXT: “Millions Of Homeowners Underwater On Mortgages”

·         Millions Of Homeowners Are Underwater On Their Mortgages. “Despite rising home prices, more than 30% of borrowers, or close to 16 million homeowners, were underwater on their mortgage during the first quarter, according to Zillow. The percentage of borrowers who owed more on their home than it was worth increased to 31.4% during the quarter, up slightly from 31.1% three months earlier, according to Zillow.” (Les Christie, “More Than 30% Of Mortgage Borrowers Still Underwater,” CNN Money, 5/24/12)

VIDEO TEXT: “The President’s Response?”
 
VIDEO TEXT: “June 8, 2012”
 
VIDEO TEXT: “11:01 am”
 
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine.”

·         PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine.” (President Barack Obama, Press Conference, Washington, DC, 6/8/12)

VIDEO TEXT: “The Private Sector Is Doing Fine?”
 
VIDEO TEXT: “June 8, 2012”
 
VIDEO TEXT: “11:01 am”
 
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine.

·         PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine.” (President Barack Obama, Press Conference, Washington, DC, 6/8/12)

VIDEO TEXT: “How Can President Obama Fix Our Economy…”
 
VIDEO TEXT: “If He Doesn’t Understand It’s Broken?”
 
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine.”

·         PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine.” (President Barack Obama, Press Conference, Washington, DC, 6/8/12)

MITT ROMNEY: “I’m Mitt Romney and I approve this message.”

It’s an effective attack, and if more bad economic data comes out, Team Romney will undoubtedly refresh the ad to include it and re-release it as often as possible. They want to define Obama as clueless on how to restart job creation and the kind of growth that should have taken place over the last three years, and they’ll use every syllable of help Obama presents to them as a gift.

Update: Just to clarify a point for commenters objecting to the “negative” appellation, that’s the term used for any ad which focuses on the record of an opponent rather than solely on the candidate publishing the ad.  That doesn’t make negative ads any less legitimate (a point I’ve made a number of times before), as long as they’re presented fairly.


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KEEP PUNCHING MITT!!

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Kicking Barry right in the fellas, good job. More please.

NoDonkey on June 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM

…take the crease out of that sissy’s pants!

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM

But, but, Candy Crowley told us this “gaffe” will never stick!! And I trust her because she is one of those REAL journalists like Juan Williams./s

waterytart on June 14, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Round 3: Barry’s got cuts over each of his eyes and Mitt comes right out swinging again, jabbing at will…

thebrokenrattle on June 14, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Good ad.

I have noted very little media coverage this morning on unemployment applications “unexpectedly” rising to 386,000 this week – and last week’s numbers “unexpectedly” revised upward yet again…

matthew8787 on June 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Oooh, that’s going to leave a mark.

The Rogue Tomato on June 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM

How is telling the truth “going negative?”

Do not 23 million Americans need employment?

Have we not had 40 months of unemployment over 8%?

Is not the middle class struggling under the Obama economy?

Did not the jug-eared Kenyan declare that the private sector was doing fine?

There is a PAC who keeps running an ad here in Virginia that makes the claim that Mitt Romney wants to ban abortions. That’s going negative.

Happy Nomad on June 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM

“One-term Proposition”

http://www.fiscalwars.wordpress.com

stout77 on June 14, 2012 at 9:30 AM

More bad news, you say?

How about unemployment applications increased again last week, while previous weeks were revised upwards.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-unemployment-aid-applications-rise-386k-123524386–finance.html

So there you go…

PetecminMd on June 14, 2012 at 9:30 AM

I don’t want to hear anymore of “in over his head”. This President is not stumbling around being stupid, everything is on the teleprompter and scripted except when he decides to wing it and get himself in trouble.

Nothing says trouble better than his actions and their consequences. This ad addresses that beautifully. People actually have to live in this “hell” that Obama has created. They aren’t used to it as Americans. Poor Obama should have thought of that. There aren’t very many of us that want to be poor.

BetseyRoss on June 14, 2012 at 9:33 AM

As long predicted, we are seeing the difference between McCain and Romney.

McCain was content to be NOMINATED for president. Romney is determined to be ELECTED president.

When the GOP nominates a senator for president (Dole, McCain, Goldwater), they LOSE. When the GOP nominates a governor (Romney, Reagan, Bush 43) or vice president (Nixon, Bush 41), they WIN.

matthew8787 on June 14, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Good ad.

I have noted very little media coverage this morning on unemployment applications “unexpectedly” rising to 386,000 this week – and last week’s numbers “unexpectedly” revised upward yet again…

matthew8787 on June 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM

I also noticed that out of 80-some-odd economists surveyed to project May job growth, not a single one erred on the low side. Not one, so I guess “unexpectedly” is to be expected.

stout77 on June 14, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Odd, I posted two links showing the same thing PetecminMd posted and the trade deficit widening, but it didn’t post. Did it really go to moderation? It was just 2 links.

MobileVideoEngineer on June 14, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Great ad! Romney is doing an excellent job with his retort and position point ads.

Lourdes on June 14, 2012 at 9:34 AM

The Sheeple won’t pay attention!
Do Not Make Them Read IT!

These advertisers are horrible. Fire them NOW Mitt!
Read it to them like Dear Reader does so they don’t have to work at it.
Americans are fat, lazy and incurious, the ones Mitt needs anyway so Sound is needed NOT Reading!

Sound bites with background music except when Dopey talks!
You are wasting resources and preaching to the choir with this pap!

ConcealedKerry on June 14, 2012 at 9:34 AM

But…but…PPP has Obama up 8 over Romney!

GOPRanknFile on June 14, 2012 at 9:34 AM

I wouldn’t call that ad negative. I would call that ad truthful.

Very good ad!

gophergirl on June 14, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Pitch perfect ad from Romney. More of this, please!

The ad has a current, fast-paced feel, and it really draws the viewer in. Unlike the RNC ad from yesterday, this ad has a simple, memorable, easy-to-follow message that is bound to leave a mark.

The subtle echoes at the end of this ad are a nice touch.

bluegill on June 14, 2012 at 9:35 AM

I am NOT Mitt Romney and I approve the message anyway.

Archivarix on June 14, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Oooh, that’s going to leave a mark.

The Rogue Tomato on June 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM

…skid marks…lately!

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Umm—this is NOT a negative ad…unless you consider the truth a negative.

dirtseller on June 14, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Go mitt go!

Jugular

cmsinaz on June 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM

You know Andrea Mitchell must be fuming

Conservative4ev on June 14, 2012 at 9:39 AM

And that closing photo of Mitt and Ann Romney (Romney with his wife) walking hand-in-hand outofdoors is endearing, and it’s wise imagery. Very nice!

Lourdes on June 14, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Oh and jobless claims rose again

Conservative4ev on June 14, 2012 at 9:40 AM

How is telling the truth “going negative?”

Do not 23 million Americans need employment?

Have we not had 40 months of unemployment over 8%?

Is not the middle class struggling under the Obama economy?

Did not the jug-eared Kenyan declare that the private sector was doing fine?

There is a PAC who keeps running an ad here in Virginia that makes the claim that Mitt Romney wants to ban abortions. That’s going negative.

Happy Nomad on June 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM

That was my take as well. I don’t find the truth to be a negative. If we go by that definition, Obama is going to be blasted with negativity for all the gifts he’s given us in the past 4 years.

BettyRuth on June 14, 2012 at 9:40 AM

So if the private sector is doing fine is that Bush’s fault too?

gwelf on June 14, 2012 at 9:40 AM

If dear leader had no problem doing this to mccain then they should expect this and deal with it. No whining

cmsinaz on June 14, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Umm—this is NOT a negative ad…unless you consider the truth a negative.

dirtseller on June 14, 2012 at 9:36 AM

I agree. I was just sitting here wondering how to address the declaration that this was indicative of Romney “going negative”…perhaps that assertion is more an indication of how irregular (out of touch with reality) the Left is, while has nothing to do with this Romney ad, per se.

Lourdes on June 14, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Okay, what in the world is going on? I just tried posting the links again and it hasn’t posted. They were to CNBC and AP, how in the world does that get flagged?

MobileVideoEngineer on June 14, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Sound is needed NOT Reading!

Sound bites with background music except when Dopey talks!

ConcealedKerry on June 14, 2012 at 9:34 AM

I mentioned yesterday that I prefer ads with data and statistics being in voice and text, so I can hear them from my kitchen.

Also, by putting out ads like this, aren’t they forgetting that segment of the population that is legally blind?

But hey, I’m not the one being paid big bucks to produce the ads, so what do I know?

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 9:44 AM

A hard hitting ad followed by a calm, moderated, almost soft voice, “I’m Mitt Romney and I approve this message”.
He doesn’t sound scary.

Like.

bluealice on June 14, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Okay, what in the world is going on? I just tried posting the links again and it hasn’t posted. They were to CNBC and AP, how in the world does that get flagged?

MobileVideoEngineer on June 14, 2012 at 9:41 AM

They screen with too many and too fast sometimes.

hawkdriver on June 14, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Rombo is putting the MMA beatdown on TFGP. This is like Brock Lesner taking on Anthony Wiener in a cage.

Bishop on June 14, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Not only is middle-class income down, remember that prices – thanks to Obama’s war on energy – are up. The actual cost of food is up, and if you pay attention to packaging sizes, many have been hit with the “shrink-ray” where the size looks the same but they contain less food. (Like how a can of tuna is 5oz now instead of 6, coffee is often sold in 12oz bags instead of 1lb, etc.) Thanks, Obama!

Laura Curtis on June 14, 2012 at 9:46 AM

The Republicans are doing a great job defining Obama IMO, and Obama is doing everything to play right into their hand. This quote was a godsend, they’ll get as much mileage out of it as they did Kerry’s “I was for the war before i was against it”.

This quote, along with Obama’s silly celebrity dinners and intolerable pandering to the elites, has helped frame him quite nicely. No wonder the Democrat leadership is looking to jump ship so early.

tflst5 on June 14, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Great ad. But I really do like them better with Impending Doom music.

hawkdriver on June 14, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 9:44 AM

I think it is fine because the FACTS are in text. The lie is spoken..several times.

bluealice on June 14, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Since we aren’t getting any ads up here, it is nice to see what everyone else is seeing.

Did the Romney campaign do a drill for oil one yet? I don’t know, and for some reason youtube is not working right.

upinak on June 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM

I also noticed that out of 80-some-odd economists surveyed to project May job growth, not a single one erred on the low side. Not one, so I guess “unexpectedly” is to be expected.

stout77 on June 14, 2012 at 9:33 AM

“Unexpectedly” is– “baked into the cake.”

de rigueur on June 14, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Concealed Kerry
Maybe Mitt can do one in Spanish, for the other 1/4 of *Americans*…….

angrymike on June 14, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Those of us unable to quickly access the video enjoy when the text is included as part of the post. Thanks!

hillsoftx on June 14, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Excellent ad.

joana on June 14, 2012 at 9:53 AM

But hey, I’m not the one being paid big bucks to produce the ads, so what do I know?

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Common sense isn’t all that common. I agree with those calling for voice-over narration. Multiple streams of information, auditory and visual, help people understand and process the message.

Fallon on June 14, 2012 at 9:55 AM

I think it is fine because the FACTS are in text. The lie is spoken..several times.

bluealice on June 14, 2012 at 9:48 AM

That’s my point. The facts are in text, but the boy king’s “the private sector is doing fine” is in voice.

Someone who is in another room, or so blind they can’t read the “facts,” have no idea that the facts actually dispute the boy king’s assurance that “the private sector is doing fine”.

What would be wrong with having a voice over actually reading the facts while they are being shown in text?

Sure, maybe the ads wouldn’t look so “slick,” but is the point of the ad to show how slick your advertising team is, or, point out that the boy king has no idea what he’s talking about?

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 9:57 AM

I’d like to hear the statistics as well as see them so it could be on radio as well. It’s very effective.

monalisa on June 14, 2012 at 9:59 AM

I mentioned yesterday that I prefer ads with data and statistics being in voice and text, so I can hear them from my kitchen.
Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Yep, I have the t.v. on constantly but I’m not actually watching the screen all that much. Definitely could use some voice-overs.

Buy Danish on June 14, 2012 at 10:00 AM

That doesn’t make negative ads any less legitimate (a point I’ve made a number of times before), as long as they’re presented fairly.

Meh, leave it to the opposition to complain an ad “isn’t fair”. They’ll complain about every ad anyway.

whatcat on June 14, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Lsm thinks this is the first negative ad how about all the negative ads from Obama huh?

cmsinaz on June 14, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Lib talking heads pushing the blame bush meme this am

cmsinaz on June 14, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Lib talking heads pushing the blame bush meme this am

cmsinaz on June 14, 2012 at 10:04 AM

When in the past 4.5 years have they not pushed that meme?

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 10:06 AM

I mentioned yesterday that I prefer ads with data and statistics being in voice and text, so I can hear them from my kitchen.

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 9:44 AM

It’s possible that there are– or there ought to be– v.o. narration versions of these ads: the “silent” version for readers seated at their computers (who aren’t likely to be wandering around the house while online); and the “voice over” version for television, when we do attend to other tasks while viewing, or use as a radio and empty-house companion.

The current ad production fashion is to do it all with images (or if you must use voice over, only the cast of Mad Men and Jeff Bridges will do). If you check movie trailers and other ads, ad creators currently prefer a “cleaner” or more visually-oriented style, with emphasis on images and graphics, including typography. Booming male voice-overs (or the alternative, calm, cool, and firmly in control Siri-style female voice) seem to be reserved for cable tv these days. I agree that that audible narrative of salient facts and figures in political ads would be helpful to a lot of people.

de rigueur on June 14, 2012 at 10:07 AM

That doesn’t make negative ads any less legitimate (a point I’ve made a number of times before), as long as they’re presented fairly.

Meh, leave it to the opposition to complain an ad “isn’t fair”. They’ll complain about every ad anyway.

whatcat on June 14, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Well, to be fair, quoting Obama in his own voice, and in proper context is after all RAAAAACIST…. /s

SWalker on June 14, 2012 at 10:07 AM

At least Obozo can take solace in the fact that Romney didn’t go cherry picking from OLD statements by The One in order to create a caricature to criticize.

Mitt’s using a Real quote, made less than 5 months ago, regarding the Current Situation.

Obama, however, didn’t do such a thing.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/distorting-mccains-remarks/

jaydee_007 on June 14, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Using Obama’s own words against him is effective.

How about an ad where we see Obama promising Vlad Putin more ‘flexibility’ in a second term?

Deafdog on June 14, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Flash! Politifact rates it ‘Mostly False’. he he

Wigglesworth on June 14, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Also, by putting out ads like this, aren’t they forgetting that segment of the population that is legally blind?

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 9:44 AM

The ads should be in braille.

Bishop on June 14, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Msdnc just said obama needs mitt to make a gaffe now

cmsinaz on June 14, 2012 at 10:11 AM

What makes this ad even more brilliant is that it is a play on an ad Obama ran against McCain in ’08.

changer1701 on June 14, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Good ad. The “The private sector is doing fine” line is in context, it attacks Obama where he is weakest, and the use of it can be defended. When the Democrats and press protest, it brings more attention to it. This ad and the multiple possible variations on it should be run again and again.

Aardvark on June 14, 2012 at 10:13 AM

The ads should be in braille.

Bishop on June 14, 2012 at 10:09 AM

In Mandarin Chinese in Braille.

SWalker on June 14, 2012 at 10:15 AM

2008
=====

“My Friends,…Fight…Fight…Fight With Me”!

—Capt’n Queeg, Mc Cains Mutiny

2012
======

Where `Fight`n and Kick`n *ss Now“`

—–MittenTroopers!

(sarc)

canopfor on June 14, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Good ad. The “The private sector is doing fine” line is in context, it attacks Obama where he is weakest, and the use of it can be defended. When the Democrats and press protest, it brings more attention to it. This ad and the multiple possible variations on it should be run again and again.

Aardvark on June 14, 2012 at 10:13 AM

How could this ad be made more effective? Well, if they flashed from Obama saying “The private sector is doing fine” to him sitting next to Anna Wintour and Sarah Jessica Parker, the back to him saying “The private sector is doing fine”…

SWalker on June 14, 2012 at 10:19 AM

It’s not a gaffe. The-Smartest-Guy-In-The-Room-In-Chief meant what he said.

WordsMatter on June 14, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Msdnc just said obama needs mitt to make a gaffe now

cmsinaz on June 14, 2012 at 10:11 AM

That’s the name of the game now, TFGP can’t talk about success so he needs Rombo to make a mistake somehow.

Bishop on June 14, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Msdnc just said obama needs mitt to make a gaffe now

cmsinaz on June 14, 2012 at 10:11 AM

That’s the name of the game now, TFGP can’t talk about success so he needs Rombo to make a mistake somehow.

Bishop on June 14, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Perhaps Mitt can come out and admit that it was a mistake to think Obama loved America and wasn’t trying to destroy it.

SWalker on June 14, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Okay, what in the world is going on? I just tried posting the links again and it hasn’t posted. They were to CNBC and AP, how in the world does that get flagged?

MobileVideoEngineer on June 14, 2012 at 9:41 AM

They screen with too many and too fast sometimes.

hawkdriver on June 14, 2012 at 9:45 AM

@ MobileVideoEngineer — also, certain words used will cause a comment to disappear (won’t pass the Word Filter). Can be harmless words, specifically — but the Filter doesn’t recognize context — so perhaps you used such.

Lourdes on June 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM

“Unexpectedly” is– “baked into the cake.”

de rigueur on June 14, 2012 at 9:51 AM

“Baked into the cake…”

THAT line by Obama is begging for parody. I’m thinking about a few things to work up in that regard.

And here I thought Obama’s thing was “pie”.

Lourdes on June 14, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Good ad. Strong finish with a question that many fence-sitters will ponder and, if they have a brain in their head, will answer correctly that Obama isn’t even trying to fix the economy.

Extrafishy on June 14, 2012 at 10:30 AM

“Going negative” is just a silly arrow in the left’s quiver (shared with their symbiotic media Komrades)

It is but one of the many words/phrases that the leftist wordsmiths either create (homophobic) or misuse (“Choice”) that are just sophisticated name calling–like intolerant, insensitive, racist, partisan, extreme, mean-spirited, gun-clingers etc.

I’d love to have Mitt put an add out warning everyone to watch for them -over and over -with a picture of Gobbles in the background.

Don L on June 14, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Wow, 9 maybe 10 of Alinsky’s 13 rules deployed in that one ad!

Nice!

roy_batty on June 14, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Yepper Bishop

cmsinaz on June 14, 2012 at 10:42 AM

What is a negative ad?

It’s one which shows a tape of a democrat speaking.

Labamigo on June 14, 2012 at 11:16 AM

I’m amazed more liberals aren’t screaming at Obama over this gaffe.

Everyone loves to praise Obama as the greatest politician to ever draw breath, but Barack pretty much handed the GOP the election with this.

The worse part is, this wasn’t a slip of the tongue or something taken out of context. Obama truly believes our only economic problem is that we need more government workers, that everyone else is doing fine. It’s actually pretty terrifying we have a President so out of touch.

BradTank on June 14, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Pound… Obowma… To… Dust…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on June 14, 2012 at 12:26 PM

That was a shot to the family jewels…

Nice one, Mitt!

bobsacramento on June 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Obama staggers to the left and Romney meets him with another hard right cross to the jugear; Obama appears dazed and confused……

dentarthurdent on June 14, 2012 at 2:11 PM

What is a negative ad?

It’s one which shows a tape of a democrat speaking lying.

Labamigo on June 14, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Fixed that for you.

Alabama Infidel on June 14, 2012 at 3:33 PM

What is a negative ad?

It’s one which shows a tape of a democrat lying.

Labamigo on June 14, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Fixed that for you.

Alabama Infidel on June 14, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Revision 3. Yours was redundant. :)

Axe on June 14, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Fixed that for you.

Alabama Infidel on June 14, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Both right. They lie whenever they speak.

Christian Conservative on June 14, 2012 at 4:40 PM