Issa to Holder: Okay, sure, let’s talk

posted at 12:01 pm on June 14, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t excited for the contempt proceedings scheduled to go down next week against Attorney General Eric Holder for, at the very least, utterly failing to rein in his wanton Justice Department; at the worst, actively pushing a deadly, illegal gunwalking program designed to subvert Americans’ gun rights (and to all of you “enough with the conspiracy theory!” folks out there, it’s foolish to trust that any government, anywhere is incapable of such nefarious deeds). Either way, why would innocent people withhold over 100,000 subpoenaed documents and persecute whistleblowers?

Of course, nobody wants to go ahead with a contempt vote if we don’t have to — it’d be wildly preferable it AG Holder would just pony up with the requested documents. When Holder was in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this week, he repeatedly claimed he was more than willing to cooperate with the investigation, and Deputy Attorney General James Cole has also asked for a private meeting with House Oversight Committee members. To that effect, Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa sent Holder a letter on Wednesday asking him to actually follow through on those bold-faced “let’s make a deal” proclamations and quit the dithering.

I write to respond to the Deputy Attorney General letter from Monday, and to comments you made yesterday, expressing a desire to meet. As our staffs have discussed, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and the Department of Justice are at an impasse over documents the Department has refused to produce. Let me be clear — if the Department of Justice submits a serious proposal for how it intents to alter its refusal to produce critical documents subpoenaed by the Committee, I am ready and willing to meet and discuss your proposal.

If the Department wishes to settle this dispute short of contempt, the Committee has offered it a clear path to do so without the need to disclose sensitive documents created during Operations Fast and Furious.

In making repeated accommodations, the Committee has made a good faith effort to allow the Department to meet its obligations to comply with the Committee’s subpoena. For the Department to argue otherwise without making a serious offer to alter its opposition to producing subpoenaed documents is highly disingenuous. If the Department is prepared to engage in discussions based upon a stated willingness to drop its opposition to providing material from after February 4, 2011, that may reflect internal deliberations, I may ask that you indicate such intention. If the Department has another proposal for altering its objections to providing subpoenaed material, I ask that you promptly submit that proposal for consideration as a basis for productive discussion.

Again, I appreciate your effort to resolve this dispute. I believe the interests of the Department, Congress and those directly affected by reckless conduct in Operation Fast and Furious are best served by an agreement that renders the process of contempt unnecessary.

Your move, Holder.

And hey, here’s another interesting tidbit: On Wednesday afternoon, the DOJ announced that Ronald Weich, an assistant attorney general for legislative affairs who once denied reports of ATF gunwalking, is leaving his job.

In an earlier (Feb. 4, 2011) letter to Sen. Charles Grassley, Weich denied that the ATF had ever allowed guns to be sold and taken across the border. Weich said that Grassley’s allegation — “that ATF ‘sanctioned’ or otherwise knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to a straw purchaser who then transported them to Mexico – is false. ATF makes every effort to interdict weapons that have been purchased illegally and prevent their transportation to Mexico.”

In an interview with CNSNews.com, Issa characterized Weich’s letter as a “lie” and said it pointed to a cover-up.

In its announcement on Wednesday, the Justice Department said Weich is leaving to become the dean of the University of Baltimore Law School.

Does anybody else get the sneaking feeling that the Justice Department really wants this to just all go away?

 

As a quick sidenote, for anybody just recently cottoning on to the Fast & Furious probe and finding its exact nature elusive (I didn’t quite understand it myself until I read Katie Pavlich’s book on the deadly operation and it’s shameless cover-up), here’s a video from the American Future Fund with a succinct summary of the situation. It ain’t pretty.


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it’d be wildly preferable it AG Holder would just pony up with the requested documents.

Which is why I think we will learn that he was active. Someone will need to take the blame for this and Holder’s only hope has been that they can get enough members of Congress to not find him in contempt.

jeffn21 on June 14, 2012 at 12:05 PM

NO! Just produce the documents!

Bambi on June 14, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Okay. Skip the contempt citation and go right to the crime of perjury, which is what really happened, anyway. Obnoxious, self-righteous perjury by the chief law enforcement officer (LOL) of the land.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 14, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Kind of like whenever the demoRats are losing or in the minority, they cling to bi-partisenship – when winning, not so much. I think he needs to learn to “know when to Holder ‘em, know when to fold ‘em”.

baseballguy on June 14, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Issa playing mr nice guy to this punk

Enough

cmsinaz on June 14, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Which is why I think we will learn that he was active. Someone will need to take the blame for this and Holder’s only hope has been that they can get enough members of Congress to not find him in contempt.

jeffn21 on June 14, 2012 at 12:05 PM

You remember the real lesson of Watergate or the Lewinsky scandal? The cover-up is worse than the actual event. If it becomes clear that Holder lied about his knowledge of FF, I don’t see how he keeps his job.

Happy Nomad on June 14, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Rumor at Sipsey Street is that two upper level DoJers are going to go whistleblower giving Issa a “go ahead and make my day” position.

marinetbryant on June 14, 2012 at 12:12 PM

I think they should meet. Don’t back down one iota though. Issa can say he did everything possible and if he doesn’t receive the requested documents by Friday, then contempt will proceed. These are the only options left.

JAM on June 14, 2012 at 12:12 PM

hypothetically, what happens if documents show that Obama was aware of the operation much earlier on than it currently suggested? Does this actually hurt him at all?

WashingtonsWake on June 14, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Stall tactic, don’t fall for it Issa. Great post Erika.

gsherin on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

…here’s a video from the American Future Fund with a succinct summary of the situation…
POSTED AT 12:01 PM ON JUNE 14, 2012 BY ERIKA JOHNSEN

Seriously?
That’s what consider to be a ‘summary of the situation’?
You’re offering a ‘Guilty! Now let’s have a trial’ political ad from the AFF. (Or was that a Fox&Friends report?)
Can anyone provide a link to something more…sober?

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

You remember the real lesson of Watergate or the Lewinsky scandal? The cover-up is worse than the actual event. If it becomes clear that Holder lied about his knowledge of FF, I don’t see how he keeps his job.

Happy Nomad on June 14, 2012 at 12:11 PM

I don’t think that is the case here though. If Holder approved F&F he should be looking at serious jail time.

In fact, his stonewalling almost certainly proved that either he or Obama ultimately signed off on the plan.

18-1 on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Issa playing mr nice guy to this punk

Enough

cmsinaz on June 14, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Actually just checking a box. If/when this makes it to the floor of the House, Issa needs to be able to show that the committee went above and beyond the reasonable to try and reach accomodation with the DoJ and that bringing contempt charges was the last thing anybody wanted. The “gesture” by the DoJ and this response are nothing but political theater.

Happy Nomad on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

if the Department of Justice submits a serious proposal for how it intents to alter its refusal to produce critical documents subpoenaed by the Committee

 

You mean tell you the story that didn’t happen that they are not reporting?
 
verbaluce on June 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM

rogerb on June 14, 2012 at 12:15 PM

hypothetically, what happens if documents show that Obama was aware of the operation much earlier on than it currently suggested? Does this actually hurt him at all?

It should lead to his impeachment for high crimes – but the Republicans are spineless and the State Media would ignore the revelation.

18-1 on June 14, 2012 at 12:16 PM

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

They don’t have Google on your school’s computer?

Happy Nomad on June 14, 2012 at 12:16 PM

It should lead to his impeachment for high crimes – but the Republicans are spineless and the State Media would ignore the revelation.

18-1 on June 14, 2012 at 12:16 PM

No way that anyone in the House is going to launch impeachment proceedings five months out from the election.

Happy Nomad on June 14, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Great video. It should be aired in a prime time slot nationwide.

ButterflyDragon on June 14, 2012 at 12:18 PM

The jerk had 18 months and way too many chances to come clean. People like him think they’re above the law because they’ve been let of the hook in the past.

Tell him to get lost.

antipc on June 14, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Can somebody explain to me how waiting for the criminal to voluntarily supply the evidence that proves his guilt is holding him accountable for his actions?

This whole exercise is not about Holder losing his job(btw, Obama will never fire him) people have been killed as a direct result of an illegal policy and those people need to be prosecuted, convicted and imprisoned.

walkingboss on June 14, 2012 at 12:19 PM

In its announcement on Wednesday, the Justice Department said Weich is leaving to become the dean of the University of Baltimore Law School

I always wondered what kind of a resume was needed to become dean of a Law School. Now I know.

a capella on June 14, 2012 at 12:19 PM

If it becomes clear that Holder lied about his knowledge of FF, I don’t see how he keeps his job doesn’t get disbarred.

Happy Nomad on June 14, 2012 at 12:11 PM

FIFY

besser tot als rot on June 14, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Gotcha HN

cmsinaz on June 14, 2012 at 12:20 PM

I did not know that subpoenas were negotiable, silly me.

slickwillie2001 on June 14, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Those people responsible for the policy, not those killed should be prosecuted.

Sorry for the mistake, a little anger effecting the fingers.

walkingboss on June 14, 2012 at 12:21 PM

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Say “Please”.

AubieJon on June 14, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Seriously?
That’s what consider to be a ‘summary of the situation’?
You’re offering a ‘Guilty! Now let’s have a trial’ political ad from the AFF. (Or was that a Fox&Friends report?)
Can anyone provide a link to something more…sober?

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

sum·ma·ry/ˈsəmərē/
Noun:
A brief statement or account of the main points of something.

It would seem that video is most definitely a summary of the situation. The basic facts were laid out without going into minute detail.

If you haven’t heard of Fast & Furious and don’t know the facts of the case, then I think the ad did exactly what it was supposed to do. Get you interested in finding out more.

It’s an indictment of the press. They have been comfortably in bed with this administration. Over 200 people murdered by guns our government knowingly allowed to cross the border and get in the hands of violent drug cartels.

Yes, someone is most definitely guilty. Issa is trying to find out who those “someones” are.

ButterflyDragon on June 14, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Wasn’t the overall plan to allow all these guns to walk so that a case could be made for more gun control. Listen to the slimy Dems that try to protect Holder in the hearings…many state their goals of more gun control.

d1carter on June 14, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Seriously?
That’s what consider to be a ‘summary of the situation’?
You’re offering a ‘Guilty! Now let’s have a trial’ political ad from the AFF. (Or was that a Fox&Friends report?)
Can anyone provide a link to something more…sober?

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

It is probably difficult to find information on this since the media doesn’t report on it, but if you put just a little effort into it, you can find everything you need to know. Why don’t you go to CSPAN.com and see if the hearings are available? Then you won’t sound so stupid.

Night Owl on June 14, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Can anyone provide a link to something more…sober?

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Heh. Fight to the last man standing. I like that. Don’t let the ridicule get you down,…stand by your man.

a capella on June 14, 2012 at 12:24 PM

No way that anyone in the House is going to launch impeachment proceedings five months out from the election.

Oh quite true.

Let’s be clear – NOTHING will come out of F&F except potentially an attack ad or two.

If Obama wins, the Republicans will back off out of pure terror. If Obama loses, they will argue that there is no need to re-open old wounds and let the case die.

Part of the reason we are in the place we are in now is that the Republican party almost always takes the easiest way out, no matter how many times it bites them later.

18-1 on June 14, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Out of all the documents Holder has refused to supply, I’d love to see an example of an email containing the phrase “Fast and Furious” that doesn’t refer to “Fast and Furious”.

The Rogue Tomato on June 14, 2012 at 12:26 PM

CSPAN.com should probably be CSPAN.org

Night Owl on June 14, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Holder brings Iranian levels of credibility to any negotiations.

Talk is cheap. When it comes from Holder or Iranian negotiators, it is worse than worthless, it is a net negative.

Unless his produces the documents subject to subpoena, he should be held in contempt.

No more talk, no more excuses.

novaculus on June 14, 2012 at 12:30 PM

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

A new troll hatched? And I missed it? Why don’t you guys text me when stuff like this happens?

Lost in Jersey on June 14, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Holder: Just give us time to go through the 100,000+ documents and redact anything incriminating, and then we’ll turn the documents over to you. Ok?

The Rogue Tomato on June 14, 2012 at 12:32 PM

(and to all of you “enough with the conspiracy theory!” folks out there, it’s foolish to trust that any government, anywhere is incapable of such nefarious deeds).

In other words, this conspiracy theory is ok because it’s true, I swear!

red_herring on June 14, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Can anyone provide a link to something more…sober?

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

This guy must be a Houston Chronicle subscriber mushroom. Like the ACORN story, our local rag will not cover this until it is over. And they still blame the internet btw.

marinetbryant on June 14, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Keep us posted on that rumor.

DanMan on June 14, 2012 at 12:32 PM

If there were 200 dead white Canadians as a result of F&F, you can bet the news media would be all over it. But it’s just a bunch of dirty Mexicans and a couple Federal agents. No big deal…. /sarc

And these are the people that claim Republicans are raaaacist…

oldroy on June 14, 2012 at 12:36 PM

OT…when do we hear from SCOTUS???…

PatriotRider on June 14, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Can anyone provide a link to something more…sober?

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

And who would you consider to be “sober” enough? CNN? MSNBC? NPR?

AubieJon on June 14, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Of course, nobody wants to go ahead with a contempt vote if we don’t have to — it’d be wildly preferable it AG Holder would just pony up with the requested documents.

I dunno. It might be funner just to have that vote, seeing it come through as a yes to contempt and have that tied to his neck like an albatross.

Do those docs even exist anymore? Can’t imagine Holder and/or his minions holding onto a smoking gun. I guess there are documents that just can’t be destroyed.

kim roy on June 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Eric Holder is really starting to sound like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad now. Stall — Stall — STALL — with trite platitudes and feigned gestures of distorted goodwill while he plots, conspires, contrives, covers up, and destroys the evidence of his and his agency’s crimes and all the while he simultaneously furthers his agenda — and their ultimate agenda is to see the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution severely hobbled now and outright eradicated eventually.

Boehner — Issa — Grassley — et al. — incompetent impotent RINO schmucks!

Boehner — Issa — Grassley — et al.lightweight squishy weaklings.

Their never ending concerted chicken-crap responses to getting sand kicked in their face at every turn every day by the big bad bully from the DOJ for months and months on end is laughable. If it’s good enough for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad — then it’s good enough for Eric Holder.

Bloviate — make empty threats — bloviate — make empty threats — bloviate — make empty threats — wash — rinse — repeat ad nauseam. Laughable to the point of exhaustion — except that murdered US Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and his family aren’t’ laughing. Neither are the the hundreds upon hundreds of dead Mexican citizens and their families.

FlatFoot on June 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM

In its announcement on Wednesday, the Justice Department said Weich is leaving to become the dean of the University of Baltimore Law School.

After you commit perjury during a hearing and submit a completely false and misleading letter to a congressional committee, your credibility is completely destroyed. That job as Assistant AG for Legislative Affairs becomes difficult. As in untenable.

And what in the Hell are they thinking in Baltimore? Nothing like putting a nationally disgraced corrupt political hack in the dean’s office.

novaculus on June 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Holder brings Iranian levels of credibility to any negotiations.

novaculus on June 14, 2012 at 12:30 PM

So Ron Paul probably trusts everything that Holder says then, right?

oldroy on June 14, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Seriously?
That’s what consider to be a ‘summary of the situation’?
You’re offering a ‘Guilty! Now let’s have a trial’ political ad from the AFF. (Or was that a Fox&Friends report?)
Can anyone provide a link to something more…sober?

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Are you new to the internet? I believe there’s this new fangled thing called… wait for it… “Google” and you can find out a whole bunch of things with it if you are unhappy with the sourcing here.

Go on. Give it a try. It won’t bite.

kim roy on June 14, 2012 at 12:40 PM

And who would you consider to be “sober” enough? CNN? MSNBC? NPR?

AubieJon on June 14, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Media Matters

The Rogue Tomato on June 14, 2012 at 12:40 PM

PatriotRider on June 14, 2012 at 12:37 PM

before the end of june (end of term)

cmsinaz on June 14, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Part of the reason we are in the place we are in now is that the Republican party almost always takes the easiest way out, no matter how many times it bites them later.

18-1 on June 14, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Yep. And I would add because the GOP tends to think that its base is “fringe” when it is usually quite the opposite (as with illegal aliens, ObamaCare, …).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 14, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Media Matters

The Rogue Tomato on June 14, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Oh, never mind. I forgot that’s where CNN, MS-NBC, and NPR get their talking points. Same diff.

The Rogue Tomato on June 14, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Lost in Jersey on June 14, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Don’t get excited. It is completely unworthy. The current crop or trolls makes me nostalgic for the days when trolls like crr6 and ernesto ran wild and free. Almost.

Time for Del to chime in with a classic crr6 quote.

novaculus on June 14, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Subpoena all relevant DoJ subordinate deputies, office directors, branch chiefs, division heads under Holder…now.

Get a federal judge to issue an injunction regarding the removal and destruction of all DoJ documents down to the branch level.

Start at the bottom of the list…no comfy chairs permitted.

Turn the screws tighter and tighter, offering leniency or even amnesty, to those who can, with copious documentation, implicate higher ups.

This circus with Holder is getting no where at all.

There are plenty of career non-political DoJ officials who will not fall on the sword for this Holder guy nor this Administration.

Proceed from there.

coldwarrior on June 14, 2012 at 12:44 PM

And what in the Hell are they thinking in Baltimore? Nothing like putting a nationally disgraced corrupt political hack in the dean’s office.

novaculus on June 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM

They are thinking, get this clown off the public stage and hide him somewhere in academia where the camera’s wont find him.

SWalker on June 14, 2012 at 12:44 PM

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

This guy must be a Houston Chronicle subscriber mushroom. Like the ACORN story, our local rag will not cover this until it is over. And they still blame the internet btw.

marinetbryant on June 14, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Keep us posted on that rumor.

DanMan on June 14, 2012 at 12:32 PM

verbaluce is probably Erick Holder’s Hot Gas sockpuppet.

SWalker on June 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM

In any federal agency, there are documents to authorize and account for the expenditure of funds.

Who signed them?

Who authorized the expense?

What fund cites were given and when?

Unless Holder and company pulled this thing off for free, or on the never-never, where the heck is the internal finance and accounting documentation from DoJ?

Or…is it habit for the current DoJ to spend money they do not have, that has not been authorized nor appropriated, and for which no official at DoJ even bothers to feign concern?

That being the case…arrest them all from the branch chiefs on up to Holder for gross misappropriation of federal funds.

coldwarrior on June 14, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Me thinks Holder is learning from Iran and No. Korea. Deny as long as possible, then when faced with consequences, offer a ‘concession’ to buy more time. His goal is the same as Dean Smith’s ‘Four Corners Offense’ before the shot clock – hold the ball and run out the clock to secure a close win.

NeoDawg on June 14, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I wonder if the document dump that is surely coming will include meeting minutes, where DOJ people say things like “this will undermine the Second Amendment so let’s do it!”. I’m no conspiracy guy but a document saying something like this wouldn’t shock me.

MTF on June 14, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Wasn’t the overall plan to allow all these guns to walk so that a case could be made for more gun control. Listen to the slimy Dems that try to protect Holder in the hearings…many state their goals of more gun control.

d1carter on June 14, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Funny how all the Dems loudly demanding tighter gun control laws scurried back behind the baseboards once F&F started getting coverage in the conservative blogosphere. Before then the MSM articles were breathless in how America’s gun culture and loose laws were culpable for thousands of deaths in Mexico. Remember 98% of guns used in execution murders in Mexico can be traced to the US? And “This must stop now! Close all the gun buying loopholes!”

When it became evident that stopping it now could only be accomplished by dropping off your demand at the DoJ and WH the Dems and MSM all clammed up.

in_awe on June 14, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Subpoena all relevant DoJ subordinate deputies, office directors, branch chiefs, division heads under Holder…now.

coldwarrior on June 14, 2012 at 12:44 PM

I could be thinking of the New Black Panther dealy, but I’m pretty sure Issa has already subpoenaed a bunch of relevant DoJ people, but Holder told them to ignore the subpoenas and has refused to let them testify.

The Rogue Tomato on June 14, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Can anyone provide a link to something more…sober?

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com

It will give you the entire story, from Day One. Go to the far right of the page, you will see a very complete compendium of F and F.

herm2416 on June 14, 2012 at 12:53 PM

O/T But it’s about the WH leaks issue. Andy McCarthy has an excellent point, and Cornyn/McCain should quit grandstanding about special prosecutors and get back to their role in defending the Constitution. Congress, whether Issa’s House committee or the Senate’s relevant committees, should exercise their checks and balances’ role.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/302826/just-once-could-we-try-following-constitution-andrew-c-mccarthy

onlineanalyst on June 14, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Wasn’t the overall plan to allow all these guns to walk so that a case could be made for more gun control. Listen to the slimy Dems that try to protect Holder in the hearings…many state their goals of more gun control.

d1carter on June 14, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Yes. And there were emails in the ATF that pointed this out.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/

That makes this one of the worst crimes possible in America – an un-Constitutional act to raise the level of violence in America in order to illegally restrict Americans’ 2nd amendment RIGHTS. It doesn’t get much worse than that.

Holder and the rest would be happy to get something so pitifully weak as a contempt citation for that horrible and deep crime against America.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 14, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Rumor at Sipsey Street is that two upper level DoJers are going to go whistleblower giving Issa a “go ahead and make my day” position.

marinetbryant on June 14, 2012 at 12:12 PM

First rule of politics: You are ALWAYS willing to talk.*

(* think about it, this is 99% of a GOOD politician’s job)

The real meat is in what you talk about

If this is starting to unravel and whistleblowers are offering themselves up …. I WANT Issa to have a closed door meeting.

H: We have reconsidered our position and are planning on providing an additional 20,000 pages you have requested but only if you agree that is all you are going to get and permanently drop the Contempt of Congress effort.
.
I: Really? Well, we have the bulk of the documents requested adn have finished an immunity from prosecution deal with the people who have provided them to us. The documents show there was a criminal conspiracy among Cabinet members and the President to use the Fast and Furious program to subvert the Second Amendment. Our legal counsel advises us we should proceed with impeachment hearings against yourself, the other Cabinet members and the President. You will answer only one question before you leave here today Mr. Attorney General that we have any interest in hearing.
.
H: What question is that?
.
I: Do you want to be one of the people up on a cross or do you want to be one of the people banging in the nails?

PolAgnostic on June 14, 2012 at 12:59 PM

herm2416 on June 14, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Thank you!
A substantive reply.
I’ll check it out.

Can you quickly tell me what is is Holder is to have done wrong here?
I’m aware of all the critiques of F&F, gun-walking, Wide Receiver,. etc. – but what precisely is the accusation against Holder?
Or Obama, for that matter.

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Seriously?
That’s what consider to be a ‘summary of the situation’?
You’re offering a ‘Guilty! Now let’s have a trial’ political ad from the AFF. (Or was that a Fox&Friends report?)
Can anyone provide a link to something more…sober?

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

My my, you are lazy, aren’t you?

*sigh*

Here ya go CBS News timeline.

Plus, here’s a link to the report by Sharyl Attkinson of CBS News. You’ll find more links to the rest of her Fast and Furious reports at the bottom of the page.

Oh, and verbaluce, you’ll notice I said CBS News, not “Fox News”

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Weich commits perjury and is appointed as dean of a law school. Unreal. Endemic corruption everywhere in the upper echelon of the DoJ and US Government. Indict him for lying to congress. Let’s see if the law school changes its mind.

jake49 on June 14, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Can anyone provide a link to something more…sober?
 
verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

 
… pay for my health insurance?
 
… pay off my student loan?
 
… pay my rent?
 
… pay for my birth control?
 
… pay for my groceries?
 
… pay my mortgage?
 
… pay for my cell phone?
 
Obama 2012!!/!

rogerb on June 14, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Issa has two people, from the DOJ no less, seeking whistle blower protection right now.

bubba on June 14, 2012 at 1:06 PM

…if only they could leak Fast and Furious material like they leak national security materlial…we’d have all the documents by now!

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Record the meeting. There is no way I would get in a room alone with this looser and expect the truth to come out about it.

Bambi on June 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Seriously?
That’s what consider to be a ‘summary of the situation’?
You’re offering a ‘Guilty! Now let’s have a trial’ political ad from the AFF. (Or was that a Fox&Friends report?)
Can anyone provide a link to something more…sober?

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Ya know, if you hadn’t mysteriously disappeared from yesterday’s NBC thread, you would have seen these.

Anderson Cooper from CNN reports on Fast and Furious.

Video: ATF gun operation under scrutiny

AC360 Follow: ATF acting director may resign over Fast and Furious program

Botched ATF gun sting

Oh, and verbaluce, you’ll notice I said CNN, not “Fox News”

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Issa has two people, from the DOJ no less, seeking whistle blower protection right now.

bubba on June 14, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Yup, and Erick Holder is investigating leaks… don’t be deceived about which leaks Erick Holder is investigating.

SWalker on June 14, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Folks verbaldouche is not really interested in a F & F timeline. You’re wasting your keystrokes.

Mike Honcho on June 14, 2012 at 1:10 PM

My my, you are lazy, aren’t you?

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 1:03 PM

verbaluce isn’t lazy, he is attempting to cast doubt, it’s obfuscation 101. He11, he’s probably Erick Holder’s Hot Gas sock-puppet.

SWalker on June 14, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Going for contempt is a dog and pony show; and completely toothless. Holder and Co. know this – it’s just a ‘scandal’ and doesn’t have any real repercussions like jail time. It could (in theory) lead to Holder losing his job but isn’t likely: team Zero have clearly illustrated they don’t care one iota about ‘scandal’ and have no intentions of removing Holder. Besides, this already is a scandal.

For eighteen months Holder and Co. have lied, delayed, ignored and redacted. Perjury would be a better pursuit, I think. Not that Holder cares about that; he has “Superior knowledge”. This whole sordid affair is simply one of numerous examples (New Black Panthers, AZ and FL lawsuits, etc. etc.) that illustrates a pattern of brazen trampling of the Constitution with ‘Zero’ concern of consequences.

ghostwalker1 on June 14, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Mike Honcho on June 14, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Yes. A complete waste of time and effort.

novaculus on June 14, 2012 at 1:14 PM

No way that anyone in the House is going to launch impeachment proceedings five months out from the election.

Nor should they!
Krauthammer had it right last night, as soon as a Special Prosecutor is appointed,EVERYONE SHUTS UP!
Impeachment won’t pass the Senate anyway.
Do you want Holder impeached or HE and OBAMA gone?

THIS has the making of a Swiftboat Veterans for Truth x 10 Obama version!

The Presstitutes in their desire to cover for their Lyin kING have handed Team Mitt the sword with which to lop the kings head off!
Mitt has the microphone,the lights,the peoples attention and unlike McCain, should use it at every opportunity to publicize this complicity in murder of Mexican citizens and Border Patrol agents of these United States by Obama, Holder, the press, BATF and others!

An alliance of Gun Owners of America, National Rifle Association,and some bundlers should be able to generate non stop ads which excoriate Obama for doing NOTHING while lawful firearms merchants are forced by the FBI, BATF, Justice Dept to sell guns to know felons and drug traffickers!
Who knew and who did nothing? The Presstitutes would be in a very bad light as this is exposed daily in every swing and border state!
What would Palin do?
Use the power of her candidacy, to put unrelenting pressure on Obama, the media, the House and Senate such that Holder would be glad to go under the bus or talk!
Trouble is FBI knew, BATF knew, CIA? Congress? there’s lots o in the knows who don’t want us to know they know!
Run with it Mitt and hammer nail after nail into the dinosaur media and Obamas coffin!

ConcealedKerry on June 14, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Folks verbaldouche is not really interested in a F & F timeline. You’re wasting your keystrokes.

Mike Honcho on June 14, 2012 at 1:10 PM

DING! DING! Winner!!!

ghostwalker1 on June 14, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Do you want Holder impeached or HE and OBAMA gone?

ConcealedKerry on June 14, 2012 at 1:14 PM

I want Holder to stand trial as an accessory to murder, pronounced guilty by a jury of his peers, and sent to prison for the rest of his life.

BUT, not until Obama is gone from the White House and can issue him a pardon on his way out the door January 20, 2013.

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 1:18 PM

It ain’t pretty.

I doubt Holder will give anything up willingly. There are too many political appointees at DOJ and ATF with their heads on the chopping block.

And when Issa goes to cut off their heads, what a story they’ll tell.

Going to a ‘law school’. He’s going to be lucky if he doesn’t go to a federal prison.

GarandFan on June 14, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Folks verbaldouche is not really interested in a F & F timeline. You’re wasting your keystrokes.

Mike Honcho on June 14, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Yes, I know this, but perhaps there are some people on the outside looking in who don’t know the facts about Fast and Furious.

Maybe by playing dumb and getting the links posted, little verbalduce will help enlighten others to the crimes committed by Holder’s DOJ.

They’ll learn a whole lot more from this thread alone, than they ever would from watching ABC and NBC.

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM

If it becomes clear that Holder lied about his knowledge of FF, I don’t see how he keeps his job from going to prison.

Happy Nomad on June 14, 2012 at 12:11 PM

FIFY

psrch on June 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM

ghostwalker1 on June 14, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Ever since this story broke, Eric Holder has had one goal in mind,
stonewall until after the election. For reasons that are very hard to understand, the Republican leadership seems to be running scared from a conflict over this scandal, and that has enabled Holder to stall as long as he has.

It is a monstrous and bloody scandal, the cover-up is another scandal, and the suppression of it in the news is yet another scandal. In years to come, folks will look back on it and wonder how it could have happened.

Hundreds of people are dead, including two US law enforcement officers. The refusal of the Flying Monkey Media to cover the story and their suppression of it is the crowning achievement of the Obama sycophants.

novaculus on June 14, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Can you quickly tell me what is is Holder is to have done wrong here?

He lied to congress about his knowledge of Fast & Furious and is refusing to comply with congressional subpoenas. Whether he did more wrong that that (potentially even criminal), can’t be determined until he complies with the subpoenas.

I’m aware of all the critiques of F&F, gun-walking, Wide Receiver,. etc. – but what precisely is the accusation against Holder?

See above.

Or Obama, for that matter.

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Right now, we don’t know what Obama knew and when he knew it. Whether Obama knew about the F&F program beforehand, or is involved in a cover-up now, still has to be determined. But his highly partisan, incompetent and unethical Justice Department is stonewalling and Obama has not stepped in, which strongly implies that Obama supports the perjury and refusal to cooperate with subpoenas.

Whether F&F was criminal or simply incredibly stupid still has to be determined. It is still unclear what the point of F&F was supposed to be. they provided thousands of guns, but what was supposed to be the end result? They never did any follow up on the guns, so it is unclear what alleged “investigation” was being conducted.

But, as always, the cover-up may prove worse than the crime.

But, ultimately, what difference does any of this make. Do you take the position that executive agency should only comply with investigation and subpoenas that they agree with? that some kind of malfeasance on Holder’s part has to be proven before he is required to comply with a congressional subpoena?

what exactly are you arguing? Even if there is ultimately nothing to F&F, why shouldn’t the DOJ and HOlder be required to comply with a congressional subpoena? I find it hard to believe that you would take this same attitude toward compliance with a congressional subpoena if it were a democrat house and republican AG.

Do you really want to be on the side saying that the law only applies when you agree with the party affiliation asserting the law?

Monkeytoe on June 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM

So, this guy is leaving the top-law enforcement agency in the county under a cloud that he may be part of a cover-up at the same agency. His next job is the Dean of Law School at the University of Baltimore?

BuckEyeBob on June 14, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Nothing is going to happen to Holder unless Obama loses the election. It will end in a stalemate by design. Republican Senators are just huffing and puffing for political expediency.

lea on June 14, 2012 at 1:32 PM

I want Holder to stand trial as an accessory to murder, pronounced guilty by a jury of his peers, and sent to prison for the rest of his life.

BUT, not until Obama is gone from the White House and can issue him a pardon on his way out the door January 20, 2013.

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Yes, except I want Holder to stand trial for TREASON, pronounced guilty and be executed as a traitor to our country for aiding and abetting enemies of America (Mexican drug cartels, who regularly invade our borders and endanger our citizens) as defined by the Constitution!

dominigan on June 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Out of all the documents Holder has refused to supply, I’d love to see an example of an email containing the phrase “Fast and Furious” that doesn’t refer to “Fast and Furious”.

The Rogue Tomato on June 14, 2012 at 12:26 PM

This! If no other statement of Holder’s shows either duplicity or arrogance or incompetence or all all three, this one surely does.

Deanna on June 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM

verbaluce isn’t lazy, he is attempting to cast doubt, it’s obfuscation 101. He11, he’s probably Erick Holder’s Hot Gas sock-puppet.

SWalker on June 14, 2012 at 1:12 PM

the answer to someone like Verbaluce isn’t to convince them about that F&F is a scandal and possibly a crime. Instead, simply ask what I asked him:

What exactly are you arguing? Even if there is ultimately nothing to F&F, why shouldn’t the DOJ and Holder be required to comply with a congressional subpoena? I find it hard to believe that you would take this same attitude toward compliance with a congressional subpoena if it were a democrat house and republican AG.

Do you really want to be on the side saying that the law only applies when you agree with the party affiliation of the person asserting the law?

by poo-pooing F&F and supporting Holder’s obstruction, lefties like Verbaluce are taking the position that Executive Agencies are not subject to the law when their preferred party is in control of the WH. That is the essence of his argument. Whether or not F&F develops into a major scandal or criminal charges is irrelevant to the issue of Holder’s perjury and his DOJ’s obstruction of the investigation and refusal to comply with subpoenas.

It’s all on a par with the left’s will-to-power attitude toward the rule of law, which is that it only applies when they want it to apply.

Monkeytoe on June 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 1:08 PM

You’re a sweetie, but you shouldn’t be doing this mutt’s homework for him. He’s got fingers, he can google.

Typical liberal wanting someone else to do the heavy lifting. Pretty soon he’ll be asking us to think for him.

kim roy on June 14, 2012 at 1:35 PM

I would really appreciate it if they could get this and Obamacare settled before I go on vacation at the end of the month.

ctmom on June 14, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Holder wants to talk because some important whistle blowers have stepped forward…and nothing stalls for time better than talking.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/06/sipsey-street-exclusive-more-doj.html

warhorse_03826 on June 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Hold the contempt vote. Follow that up with a grand jury presentment. Eric Holder is a scorpion. You cannot negotiate with a scorpion: http://www.aesopfables.com/cgi/aesop1.cgi?4&TheScorpionandtheFrog

Lammo on June 14, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Monkeytoe on June 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Put another way, even assuming that the left’s narrative were true and that this is all a “witch hunt”, it is still Congress’s prerogative to investigate and DOJ is still required to comply with a congressional subpoena. Taking the position that DOJ doesn’t have to comply b/c it doesn’t want to is setting a very, very bad precedent.

Monkeytoe on June 14, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM

You are usually above name calling…hmmm.
But you also think Holder should stand trial as an accessory to murder.
Maybe you’re overstepping a little?
But let this be exhibit A as to how and why it’s so hard to take much of the concerns expressed here.
The accusations and versions of what the wrong-doing was are all over the place…connected only by some seemingly personal animosity towards Holder and Obama.
There are exceptions…but they are few.
The sensitivity to my mocking the presenting the AFF video as some sort of ‘summary’ of the case – I mean, come on people.
I am more willing than many of you to look at actual facts.
But when I ask for them, I am told to ‘google’.
You are the ones making the accusations..but you can’t make the case?
Again, just all over the place.
But whatever. How about instead of offering anyting of merit and substance, you just come up with crass re-workings of ‘verbaluce’.
Ha.

verbaluce on June 14, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Holder wants to talk because some important whistle blowers have stepped forward…and nothing stalls for time better than talking.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/06/sipsey-street-exclusive-more-doj.html

warhorse_03826 on June 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM

The guillotine’s blade is already on its way down, and the only thing that will stop it is full disclosure from Holder, and that.Is.Not.Going.To.Happen – Holder’s not a very good poker player, and Issa knows well enough the cards he has.

Heads up, Holder! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on June 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM

It is probably difficult to find information on this since the media doesn’t report on it, but if you put just a little effort into it, you can find everything you need to know. Why don’t you go to CSPAN.com and see if the hearings are available? Then you won’t sound so stupid.

Night Owl on June 14, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Your optimism is touching.

tom on June 14, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Obama is on record telling supporters that things were being done behind the scenes, under cover or something like that on gun control.
IF recordings of such exist it sure would make a nice ad to run having him saying that and then ask:
Is this why hundreds died and Obamas Attorney General is covering up a congressionalinvestigation into the authorization of gun running into Mexico with out the knowledge of the heads of state of a soverign nation.
why does the Dept of Justice and Obama hate Hispanics in Mexico and Zimmerman in Flo a duh?

ConcealedKerry on June 14, 2012 at 1:56 PM

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