Holder to Issa: Let’s meet, face to face

posted at 5:21 pm on June 14, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

In response to Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa’s letter Wednesday — in which, in a nutshell, Issa wrote that he would also like to avoid contempt proceedings and would be willing to meet with Attorney General Eric Holder if and when Holder would actually produce some of the documents required by last year’s Congressional subpoena instead of just more useless blather — Eric Holder has requested a specific meeting-time with Chairman Issa.

“Thank you for your letter dated June 13, 2012. I appreciate that the Committee has narrowed its request for information related to its review of Operation Fast and Furious and now no longer seeks sensitive law enforcement information arising out of that investigation. We have repeatedly expressed concern that the production of such materials would undermine the integrity and independence of the Department’s core law enforcement operations. The Committee’s decision not to insist on the production of those material is an important step forward in this accommodation process.

In the last week, I have testified before both the House and Senate Judiciary Committees that the Department is prepared to compromise with the Committee in order to answer the questions set forth in the May 18, 2012, letter to me from you and House Leaders. I reiterate that offer today with a specific focus on the collection of documents to which you referred in your letter to me of June 13. More specifically, the Department is prepared to provide documents that, while outside the scope of the Committee’s interest in the inappropriate tactics used in Fast and Furious, are responsive to how the Department’s understanding of the facts regarding that matter evolved throughout 2011 and how the Department’s understanding of the facts regarding that matter evolved throughout 2011 and how the Department came to withdraw its February 4, 2011, letter to Senator Grassley. The Department is willing to accommodate the Committee’s interest in those materials.”

“The record in this matter reflects that until allegations about the inappropriate tactics used in Fast and Furious were made public, Department leadership was aware of those tactics.”

“The Department’s willingness to provide these materials is a serious, good faith effort to bring this matter to an amicable resolution.”

“I continue to believe that a meeting is required both to assure that there are no misunderstanding about this matter and to confirm that the elements of the proposal we are making will be deemed sufficient to render the process of contempt unnecessary. I seek your direct engagement for precisely that reason, and I propose that the meeting occur by Monday, June 18, 2012.

Not so fast there, Holder — Republicans are still (justifiably) skeptical that you’ll actually provide anything of substance.

A GOP committee source threw some cold water on the letter, however, saying there is “still uncertainty about what the attorney general intends to offer.” …

The GOP committee source said the wording appears to indicate that Holder will provide a “selective telling” of the period rather than “full disclosure” of the relevant communications. …

“If the Attorney General decides to produce these subpoenaed documents, I am confident we can reach agreement on other materials and render the process of contempt unnecessary,” Issa said in a Monday release announcing the scheduling of the committee’s contempt vote.

Monday it is, then. The information that Eric Holder decides to finally release to the committee will in all likelihood determine whether next Wednesday’s scheduled contempt vote will move forward or not — despite Democrats’ continued complaints that this is all just some manufactured, politicized Republican witch-hunt.

House Democrats assailed Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) on Thursday for moving forward with a contempt vote against Attorney General Eric Holder, calling the move “irresponsible, unprecedented and contrary to the rule of law.”

Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), the top Democrat on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, distributed an eight-page memo Thursday detailing the minority’s objections to the contempt vote. The memo was paired with a four-page document that claims to describe the politicization of Issa’s investigation into the failed gun-tracking operation “Fast and Furious.”

The move to place Holder in contempt, Cummings said, is an “extreme and blatant abuse of the congressional contempt power that undermines the credibility of the committee.”

You know what else qualifies as “political” and an “abuse of power”? A department of the executive branch of the United States government possibly fomenting a deadly, illegal gunwalking operation to undermine Americans’ gun rights and resulting in multiple deaths. That’s pretty political, too.

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He lies. He wants to meet face to face and talk about the documents instead of producing them.

He also wants to get cleared of charges before producing documents.

He can’t be trusted to produce documents, why waste time talking?

seven on June 14, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Axelrod told The Won he’s a liability. Soon he’ll throw Holder under the bus. This is just Holders attempt to save his skin (just a bit).

nobar on June 14, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Holders been taking lessons from the Iranians, let’s see what Issa is made of.

tim c on June 14, 2012 at 5:27 PM

In a low, raspy voice… He’s “got an offa’ you can’t refuse.”

Chicago style.

Logus on June 14, 2012 at 5:28 PM

I appreciate that the Committee has narrowed its request for information related to its review of Operation Fast and Furious military operations and now no longer seeks sensitive law enforcement national security information arising out of that investigation. We have repeatedly expressed concern that the production of such materials would undermine the integrity and independence safety and security of the Department’s core law enforcement operations our men and women in uniform.

A statement that Holder will never utter.

Bitter Clinger on June 14, 2012 at 5:28 PM

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

Chuck Schick on June 14, 2012 at 5:28 PM

HOLDER IS NEGOTIATING THE SAME WAY IRAN DOES: WITH NO INTENT TO EVER TRULY COOPERATE OR CAPITULATE, ONLY TO DELAY AND OBFUSCATE.

reliapundit on June 14, 2012 at 5:29 PM

The move to place Holder in contempt, Cummings said, is an “extreme and blatant abuse of the congressional contempt power that undermines the credibility of the committee.”

While they never moved to a contempt vote, the Dems investigation of a Republican AG, one Alberto Gonzalez, was an extreme and blatant abuse of a congressional committee over much less: the firing of a handful of attorneys.

Bitter Clinger on June 14, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Stall!

bgibbs1000 on June 14, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Beer summit, but with AK-47′s and burritos.

Rixon on June 14, 2012 at 5:33 PM

You do not make deals with snakes,,,,,especially when it is already provable that they are lying and obfuscation. How come nobody mentions the 200 + Mexicans that have been killed as well as the suing by the Mexican DOJ against the USA??? There is more than one US agent death involved[which is too many] but there is a whole lot of other stuff going on with this.

retiredeagle on June 14, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Why?

he’s had 12-16 mos to produce documents and what’s the purpose of the meeting? So he can again refuse to deliver what he’s been told to deliver? Vote on the charge of contempt and let the chips fall. If Congress votes him in contempt–punish him. If not–keep investigating. You’ve already given the guy enough wiggle room, it’s time for the shoe to drop on this guy.

ted c on June 14, 2012 at 5:34 PM

To quote Adm. Ackbar… “It’s a TRAP!!!”

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on June 14, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Holder caught lying to congress on F&F- obstructs justice in defense dept. leaks- Appoints a crony of his to investigate.. NO PROBLEM……

George Zimmermans wife forgets to disclose a paypal account initiated by someone else- an SHE goes to jail.

Even the SCUM media is going to have to bail on these corruptocrats sooner or later.

FlaMurph on June 14, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Plus, just removing him from office is the beginning. he needs to go to jail as well as half the DOJ. They are all attempting to undermine not only our 2nd Amendment Rights but also our voting credibility. Heads need to roll,, I do not care if they call me racist, big whoop. They call everybody racist.

retiredeagle on June 14, 2012 at 5:37 PM

“Look,Darrell — what can we do to make this just go away?”

affenhauer on June 14, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Eric Holder has requested a specific meeting-time with Chairman Issa.

Want to be that come Monday, the meeting will be ‘rescheduled’?

Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.)= prime example of ‘you can’t fix stupid’.

This guy can’t tie his own shoe laces, much less connect the dots. You could have a gold-plated email implicating Barry and Holder in the development and implementation of Fast and Furious and Cummings would pass it off as a distraction.

GarandFan on June 14, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Back to the wall, Holder goes on a PR offensive to portray himself as reasonable and open to compromise after over a year of outright lies followed by 100% stonewalling.

With the assistance of the Flying Monkey Media, he might make it work, too. In the meantime, he peels off Democrat support for the contempt citation.

All he wants to do is stall until after the election.

novaculus on June 14, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Could Issa water-board Holder? I mean, if they’re meeting face to face . . . . . .

listens2glenn on June 14, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Elijah Cummings was voted the ranking member because of his promise to be the ‘muscle’ that would block Issa at every step….even though Towns had more seniority

Reportedly, Towns withdrew because of a lack of support from Nancy Pelosi who feared that he would not be a sufficiently aggressive leader of Democrats in an anticipated struggle with incoming committee chair Republican Darrell Issa.[2] Reportedly, the White House also wanted Towns to be replaced.[3]

r keller on June 14, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Haven’t they already met “face to face” like a dozen times now?

Of course what Holder really wants is to meet BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, so he can get away from that irritating discovery, evidence and official records, so he can turn this whole thing into an infantile “he said, he said” contest.

The whole problem in this case — taken to a psychotic extreme by Holder — is lack of accountability. And what Holder is trying to do now is add even MORE of that to these proceedings.

logis on June 14, 2012 at 5:41 PM

issa better make sure holder isn’t armed!

after all, he said he’s gonna stick by his guns.

reliapundit on June 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM

George Zimmermans wife forgets to disclose a paypal account initiated by someone else- an SHE goes to jail.

Even the SCUM media is going to have to bail on these corruptocrats sooner or later.

FlaMurph on June 14, 2012 at 5:36 PM

actually the PayPal was disclosed…all she said was that she didn’t know how much was in it.

the rub is that she withdrew money from it…but somehow her brother-in-law was the one in charge of it.

he knew how much was in it…that was all discussed at the hearing

r keller on June 14, 2012 at 5:45 PM

holder will do what the iran worms are doing with their ‘we need to talk’ on issues. The whole blooming lying bunch is stalling stalling and hoping they make till election? Well, if Mitt gets elected, hopefully holder will have his worthless hind end on trial along with others around bho?
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letget on June 14, 2012 at 5:45 PM

The only information that would be high-enough level to require a face-to-face meeting would be something that went to the top.

Holder would try to couch it in national security terms, no doubt. But the very idea of purposely letting guns “walk” into Mexico and then not following up is so wring-headed that it can’t be defended. There are many other ways to identify the drug lords than letting them get some guns and kill Mexican and American citizens.

The problem now for Holder – and 0bama – is that the coverup is what has directly run afoul of the law. The America people cannot afford an Attorney General that thumbs his nose at Congress. If Holder needed a meeting to explain, it could have been done early on. The game of stonewalling and obstructing until Congress is forced to consider contempt is antithetical to the very principle of congressional oversight, and the Congress is the branch most directly answerable to the people.

Holder’s blatant thumbing of his nose to the governmanetal body most directly answerable to the people is egregious and intolerable.

It’s gone too far now; not only must he go, but sufficient deterrent penalties against Mr. Holder himself must be pursued, to underline the fact that this sort of high-handedness to the People’s representatives will never be tolerated.

Precedent needs to be set here.

cane_loader on June 14, 2012 at 5:47 PM

If they meet, Holder will lie about what occurred. How about they agree to record the meeting?

GaltBlvnAtty on June 14, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Be careful what you ask for Mr. Issa – Holder never goes anywhere without his Black Panther billy-club-thugs.

Pork-Chop on June 14, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Holder sounds like my kids did whenever I would ask them if they had cleaned their room….

TeresainFortWorth on June 14, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Holder has been trapped. : )

Bmore on June 14, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Back to the wall, Holder goes on a PR offensive to portray himself as reasonable and open to compromise after over a year of outright lies followed by 100% stonewalling.

With the assistance of the Flying Monkey Media, he might make it work, too. In the meantime, he peels off Democrat support for the contempt citation.

All he wants to do is stall until after the election.

novaculus on June 14, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Exactly! And why? Because this story has gotten too big for even the boy king’s boot-lickers in the media to ignore it.

Holder wants to portray himself to the public as a choir boy who is doing everything he can to get to the truth.

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Look,Darrell — what can we do to make this just go away?”

affenhauer on June 14, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Easy…Quit you son of a bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

logicman_1998 on June 14, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Why do you all have so much disdain for the judicial system your beloved founders put into place?
 
libfreeordie on June 14, 2012 at 11:45 AM

rogerb on June 14, 2012 at 5:54 PM

I have no idea, but I do know that you guys come up with really cool names for your fake scandals.

crr6 on July 10, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 14, 2012 at 5:55 PM

How does this work again? The person or agency being investigated gets to handpick the documents it will produce and simply claim all others are “too sensitive”?
Why bother?

Mimzey on June 14, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Seems Holder finally breaks a sweat. I hope Issa remembers this means he has the advantage.

DaveDief on June 14, 2012 at 5:57 PM

“Look,Darrell — what can we do to make this just go away?”

affenhauer on June 14, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Easy……Quit you son of a bitch!!!!!!!!!!

logicman_1998 on June 14, 2012 at 5:57 PM

We are a nation of cowards after all.

Scrappy on June 14, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Holder probably has some photos or dirt on Issa he would like to make Issa aware of in private….(holy J. Edgar Hoover!)…kind get this whole thing forgotten in a Chicago kind of way…..

albill on June 14, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 14, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Classic!

novaculus on June 14, 2012 at 5:59 PM

A department of the executive branch of the United States government possibly fomenting a deadly, illegal gunwalking operation to undermine Americans’ gun rights and resulting in multiple deaths.

Was Erika brought on as the resident conspiracy theorist?

red_herring on June 14, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Holder wants to portray himself to the public as a choir boy who is doing everything he can to get to the truth.

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Meh, my bet is that Holder is about to turn States evidence against Obama and doesn’t want to do it in an open session of Congress.

SWalker on June 14, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Well, when the reality is that you are up to your ears in a couple of criminal conspiracies, one to violate federal firearms laws and international treaties by arming narco-terrorists in Mexico, and the other to obstruct a congressional investigation, in the course of which you have repeated committed perjury, you can’t afford to deal in realities. Fortunately for Holder, he has a lot of experience with dealing in perceptions at odds with the realities.

novaculus on June 14, 2012 at 6:03 PM

L A D I E S and G E N T L E M E N…!!!
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R U M M M M M M M M M B L E…!!!

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Issa, Grassley and Boehner being played like game fish by Holder!

Sandybourne on June 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Why do you all have so much disdain for the judicial system your beloved founders put into place?

libfreeordie on June 14, 2012 at 11:45 AM
rogerb on June 14, 2012 at 5:54 PM

rogerb…I’m starting to love you! (no..not in teh geh way..)

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2012 at 6:07 PM

The lying skunk is trying to find a weak link in the chain. Jello-spines like McConnell had better not weaken Issa’s position. The politics of this mess is beyond annoying and it’s time for Holder to face the music. Not only is the Attorney General not above the law he should be held to a higher standard.

antipc on June 14, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Was Erika brought on as the resident conspiracy theorist?

red_herring on June 14, 2012 at 5:59 PM

She said possibly, didn’t she?

And judging from other actions this administration has taken, it’s not outside the realm of possibility.

On March 30, the 30th anniversary of the assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan, Jim Brady, who sustained a debilitating head wound in the attack, and his wife, Sarah, came to Capitol Hill to push for a ban on the controversial “large magazines.” Brady, for whom the law requiring background checks on handgun purchasers is named, then met with White House press secretary Jay Carney. During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.

“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.” Source

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 6:12 PM

The Committee’s decision not to insist on the production of those material is an important step forward in this accommodation process.

Ridiculous.

The GOP pussed out on this, as we pretty much knew they would. What azzes. And right after Holder gave the most obnoxious testimony two days ago. Unbelievable.

Well … believable, but so pathetic.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 14, 2012 at 6:17 PM

A department of the executive branch of the United States government possibly fomenting a deadly, illegal gunwalking operation to undermine Americans’ gun rights and resulting in multiple deaths.

Was Erika brought on as the resident conspiracy theorist?

red_herring on June 14, 2012 at 5:59 PM

What did she get wrong?

Del Dolemonte on June 14, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Issa, you’re being played, dude. Holder has been a lawyer for a long time, and the boss has his back. For now.

Kissmygrits on June 14, 2012 at 6:17 PM

George Zimmermans wife forgets to disclose a paypal account initiated by someone else- an SHE goes to jail.

She did disclose it and told the judge she didn’t know how much was in it but she could call her BIL to find out. Persecutor Corey edited that part out of the testimony.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 14, 2012 at 6:19 PM


Congressman Issa Sir, “WE THE PEOPLE” DEMAND to know when THAT LYING RACIST IN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE is going to be ARRESTED and put on TRIAL
for PERJURY, LYING TO CONGRESS and TREASON?

ARIZONAVETERAN on June 14, 2012 at 6:21 PM


HEY_ERIC_HOLDER_AFTER YOU ARE CONVICTED_I_HOPE_YOUR_BATON_WIELDING_VOTER_INTIMIDATING_BLACK_PANTHER_BUDDIES_A$$_RAPE_YOU_IN_PRISON_AND_MAKE_YOU_THEIR_BTCH!!!!

ARIZONAVETERAN on June 14, 2012 at 6:22 PM

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2012 at 6:07 PM

He really is quite a good guy isn’t he?

Bmore on June 14, 2012 at 6:22 PM

A department of the executive branch of the United States government possibly fomenting a deadly, illegal gunwalking operation to undermine Americans’ gun rights and resulting in multiple deaths.

Was Erika brought on as the resident conspiracy theorist?

red_herring on June 14, 2012 at 5:59 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 14, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Issa has played this perfectly. His drip, drip, drip of springing emails and information on Holder he didn’t know the committee had has basically let Holder place the noose around his own neck. He now sees that Issa is getting ready to pull the lever for the trapdoor.

I have every confidence Issa knows what he’s doing.

And if I’m wrong, I’ll be the first one to admit it.

And for the trolls, the noose and trapdoor references are intended in the figuratively sense.

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Holder Agrees to Meeting About Fast and Furious With Contempt Looming
…so OBOZO’s imbecile AG (and Black Panther Party supporter and defender) holder will have a chance to LIE DIRECTLY TO THE FACES of those trying to get all the facts about the Fast and Furious fiasco. Wow, what an “improvement.”

TeaPartyNation on June 14, 2012 at 6:35 PM

(no..not in teh geh way..)
 
KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2012 at 6:07 PM

 
Which would only be a problem for our resident (D)s:
 

You seem to have had a lot of personal experience with homosexual Republicans. Tell us more.
 
lester on May 2, 2012 at 7:46 AM

rogerb on June 14, 2012 at 6:39 PM

On a very related note:
Columbus NM Gun Smuggling Mayor

I think these guns came from Arizona and F&F origins:

Columbus ties to F&F…

oldroy on June 14, 2012 at 6:41 PM

You know what else qualifies as “political” and an “abuse of power”? A department of the executive branch of the United States government possibly fomenting a deadly, illegal gunwalking operation to undermine Americans’ gun rights and resulting in multiple deaths. That’s pretty political, too.

Yes, it is.

Holder will not produce the documents. This is nothing more than theater for the rubes. Please Congressman Issa, “Stand and be true.”

dogsoldier on June 14, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Oh come on. No chit chat, just the documents.

He’s trying to run out the clock on this one.

CorporatePiggy on June 14, 2012 at 6:53 PM

I think the summit should be held in Mexico City.

cthulhu on June 14, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Flora Duh on June 14, 2012 at 6:12 PM

At one point I thought it was very likely that there was an effort aimed at arming the Sinaloa Cartel specifically to aid it in its war with the Gulf Cartel and Los Zetas. I suspected this for several reasons. Virtually all the F&F weapons went to Sinaloa. The Gulf Cartel and Los Zetas are bigger problems, so why not set them at each other, particularly since the Mexican government isn’t doing much? And I couldn’t believe that Obama and his crew were so arrogant and so power mad that they thought they could run an operation this monstrous and get away with it, or that they were stupid enough to take such risks just to advance a gun control agenda that was a ballot box loser.

Well, it turns out that the “informant” that Newell and company were supposedly turning was a Sinaloa capo who was milking the program for all the guns he could get, and the area directly across the border was Sinaloa territory.

I also appear to have underestimated Obama and crew in the arrogance, power madness, and stupidity departments. For that, mea culpa.

novaculus on June 14, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Resist we much!
Issa needs to put the ball back in Holder’s court by saying that a meeting is OK to finalize the turnover of documents but not as another starting point for fruitless discussion. Holder’s intransigence will only bring out more votes against him.

vamoose on June 14, 2012 at 7:30 PM

rogerb on June 14, 2012 at 6:39 PM

…I wasn’t drinking anything…and just sprayed my screen!

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Meh, my bet is that Holder is about to turn States evidence against Obama and doesn’t want to do it in an open session of Congress.

SWalker on June 14, 2012 at 6:02 PM

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So far, there are some interesting parallels between this case and the Watergate hearings.

Lots of stalling, lots of partisan sniping against the Chairman of the Committee, most of the media ignoring it or mocking it, polls showing how little attention it is getting from the public …

… and then … somebody steps up and does the right thing (for whatever reason) and …

… it can all become very riveting …

PolAgnostic on June 14, 2012 at 7:43 PM

A department of the executive branch of the United States government possibly fomenting a deadly, illegal gunwalking operation to undermine Americans’ gun rights and resulting in multiple deaths.

Was Erika brought on as the resident conspiracy theorist?

red_herring on June 14, 2012 at 5:59 PM


I need a ruling from the judges …

Troll or idiot?

Has anyone mentioned Sharyl Atkisson and her team winning the Murrow Award yesterday for their work on “Fast & Furious”?

PolAgnostic on June 14, 2012 at 7:47 PM

I need a ruling from the judges …

Troll or idiot?

I don’t think those categories are mutually exclusive.

Has anyone mentioned Sharyl Atkisson and her team winning the Murrow Award yesterday for their work on “Fast & Furious”?

PolAgnostic on June 14, 2012 at 7:47 PM

I think there was a mention on the earlier thread, at least of Atkisson’s reporting. I would feel a lot better about it if she had given credit to the guys at Sipsey Street who broke the story way before she reported on it. I have no doubt some of her “research” included stuff she got from them, and she gave them no credit.

novaculus on June 14, 2012 at 8:01 PM

I continue to believe that a meeting is required both to assure that there are no misunderstanding about this matter and to confirm that the elements of the proposal we are making will be deemed sufficient to render the process of contempt unnecessary.

The real purpose of the meeting. This almost sounds like a deal a defense attorney would make with a prosecutor.

BobMbx on June 14, 2012 at 8:37 PM

A face-to-face meeting, huh? I’m thinkin’ more like a baseball bat to Issa’s kneecaps in Holder’s mind.

stukinIL4now on June 14, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Oh what an f’ing load of crap that. You don’t refuse to basically turn over ALL the documents because a certain subset would be too sensitive. You produce all of them EXCEPT those you deem too sensitive. What a lying sack of crap.

deadrody on June 14, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Meh, my bet is that Holder is about to turn States evidence against Obama and doesn’t want to do it in an open session of Congress.

SWalker on June 14, 2012 at 6:02 PM

What if…?

There is the possibility, however remote, that Holder may be looking to get immunity for testifying. Not likely, but who knows?

LooseCannon on June 14, 2012 at 9:45 PM

novaculus on June 14, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Every time I look south of the border, I see Somalia (yes, I’ve been there). I get kneecapping the 2nd Amendment; what’s to be gained by Anarchy Down Below? And by whom..?

affenhauer on June 14, 2012 at 10:13 PM

affenhauer on June 14, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Not a challenge; more of a “hmmm” question…

affenhauer on June 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM

affenhauer on June 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM

It was based as much or more on disbelief Obama and Holder would take such monstrous risks for the sole purpose of advancing the gun control agenda. After all, they were violating federal law, breaking international arms treaties, and all for a political agenda that was a stone loser at the polls? It just seemed to me there had to be a larger purpose, and virtually all the weapons were going to the Sinaloas. If they were more worried about the larger (Gulf Cartel) or more violent (los Zetas) narco-gangs than they were the Sinaloas, and the Sinaloas were providing intelligence on the GC and los Zetas, then paying off the Sinaloas in guns, while still unlawful, had a purpose more rational than domestic gun control.

But it looks like the Sinaloa “informant” was just exploiting Newell and the other tools in the Phoenix BATFE field office and Burke and Hurley in the US Attorney’s office. He provided “intelligence” on his enemies and funneled all the guns to his organization directly across the border.

And I apparently underestimated just how arrogant Obama and Holder are, and how determined they are to subvert the right to keep and bear arms. It is still hard to imagine that they thought they could get away with it, and were so callous as not to care about the lives that would certainly be lost in for such a purpose. A secondary purpose could still emerge from the tens of thousands of documents Holder is withholding. But at this pint it looks like Obama and Holder were willing to have Mexicans kill each other with guns they broke the law to provide, just to justify their gun control agenda. For that, some people need to be going to prison.

novaculus on June 15, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Why?

he’s had 12-16 mos to produce documents and what’s the purpose of the meeting? So he can again refuse to deliver what he’s been told to deliver? Vote on the charge of contempt and let the chips fall. If Congress votes him in contempt–punish him. If not–keep investigating. You’ve already given the guy enough wiggle room, it’s time for the shoe to drop on this guy.

ted c on June 14, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Oh, it’s still coming! Trey Gowdy was just on Fox News, and let me reassuredly tell you that he is not in a negotiating mood – they see right through Holder’s ploy…

Bizarro No. 1 on June 15, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Meh, my bet is that Holder is about to turn States evidence against Obama and doesn’t want to do it in an open session of Congress.

SWalker on June 14, 2012 at 6:02 PM

I wish I could join you in that bet – however, I believe 0bamessiah/Holder will defiantly go down together.

Bizarro No. 1 on June 15, 2012 at 9:45 AM

I think there was a mention on the earlier thread, at least of Atkisson’s reporting. I would feel a lot better about it if she had given credit to the guys at Sipsey Street who broke the story way before she reported on it. I have no doubt some of her “research” included stuff she got from them, and she gave them no credit.

novaculus on June 14, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Why/how are you so sure she’d be that unethical?

Bizarro No. 1 on June 15, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Cut an immunity and witness protection deal?

stillings on June 15, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Every time I look south of the border, I see Somalia (yes, I’ve been there). I get kneecapping the 2nd Amendment; what’s to be gained by Anarchy Down Below? And by whom..?

affenhauer on June 14, 2012 at 10:13 PM

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The northern mexican drug cartel gains and would be able to reward their North American gun runners (Holder et al) via accounts in the Cayman Islands.

PolAgnostic on June 15, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Bizarro No. 1 on June 15, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Sipsey Street and Farago covered the story first. Atkisson couldn’t possibly have done internet research without seeing their work. Her first stories covered the same ground, without any attribution to any sources. You do the math.

novaculus on June 15, 2012 at 12:43 PM