Quotes of the day

posted at 10:28 pm on June 12, 2012 by Allahpundit

Am reminded today why I rarely read headlines. #ContextIsImportant

The point I was making yesterday is this: The political system today is hyperpartisan. Both sides are at fault.

My dad & Reagan sacrificed political points for good public policy.

***

Jeb Bush’s definition of Reagan’s brand as one of “finding accommodation” and “common ground” is akin to summing up the Founding Fathers as rabble-rousers who really disliked taxes. He missed the essence of what Reagan provided for Americans

Reagan was more than a charismatic tax-cutter; he was an insurrectionist within the Republican Party, just as the Tea Party movement is in today’s establishment. In 1976, Reagan challenged Gerald Ford for the Republican nomination, and in 1980 he defeated the establishment candidate, George H. W. Bush, who later joined him on the ticket. His 1980 platform called for a return of the citizen activist; in doing so Reagan challenged the political establishment mentality, primarily by returning to this model of the servant-leader…

Bipartisanship for the sake of bipartisanship is what has provided unchecked power to the political establishment. And bipartisanship over principle is what has led us to runaway deficits and a fiscal mess that will take generations to fix. To suggest that Reagan would somehow embrace this insulated tyranny of the political class over grassroots activism is utterly false.

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Too little attention is paid to the basic fact that Reagan was a man of his times and the times have changed. For instance, much of the GOP’s “extreme” opposition to tax increases stems from lessons learned from Reagan’s experience. Democrats promised to cut spending if Reagan raised taxes. They didn’t cut spending. Reality-based Republicans don’t want to repeat that mistake. Likewise, Reagan agreed to amnesty for illegal immigrants in 1986. Rather than be a one-time deal, it proved to be an incentive for more illegal immigration. And so on. The upshot of so much of the “Reagan was too reasonable for today’s GOP” blather assumes that Reagan wouldn’t have learned from what turned out to be mistakes — and that today’s Republicans shouldn’t either.

If you want to freeze presidents in amber and hold them against today’s political realities, virtually no former president could win their respective party’s primaries today. FDR was adamantly opposed to public-sector unionism. How would that work for him in today’s Democratic Party? John F. Kennedy was a foreign-policy hawk who didn’t care much about civil rights and believed in cutting taxes to stimulate the economy. Would he win a Democratic primary? Times change and politicians change with them. I have few doubts that given Reagan’s principles and the political realities of today, he’d be a mainstream conservative with deep sympathies for the Tea Party. But you can’t blow up the space-time continuum, and if Reagan were alive today, he couldn’t win the GOP nomination — not because he’d be too liberal but because he’d be 101 years old.

***

President Barack Obama thinks Republicans are in the grips of a “fever.” Only if they can be coaxed back to rationality, through the calming effects of his reelection and perhaps some aromatherapy and a deep-tissue massage, will Washington ever work again.

By work, he means pass his priorities, of course. That is the operative definition, too, for all the liberal analysts rending their garments over the breakdown of our governing institutions. If only everyone could sit around a table and agree that President Obama is the personification of reasonableness, the country’s faith in government could be restored…

The deadlock on the more consequential matters is a function of the conflict of visions. The mindlessly obstructionist, heedlessly irresponsible Republicans in the House have written their vision into a comprehensive budget and passed it twice, knowing full well that Senate Democrats would reflexively say “no.” The budget embodies a partywide consensus on an affirmative agenda that will quickly be taken up should Romney win the White House, to the howls of almost everyone now complaining that nothing gets done in Washington.

By that time, partisan obstruction will no longer be an offense against good government, but the highest duty of all patriotic lawmakers.

***

That’s one problem with the current complaint about political “polarization” -– and the dominant Obama narrative, in which he comes to town seeking to transcend partisan differences only to discover the “hyper-partisan” Republicans unwilling to play ball. The truth is we were never going to get universal health care without a huge nasty partisan fight — Republicans don’t want it. And we are are never going to alter the structure of collective bargaining without a huge nasty partisan fight–for unions it’s an existential battle. Yet both are worth doing. If they could be achieved by bipartisan compromise they would have been achieved a long time ago …

The anti-polarizers’ fallacy is that progress is always achieved in the center. Sometimes that’s true (e.g., the 1983 Social Security fix). But equally often progress comes when one side convinces voters and defeats the other side. Sweeping Democratic victories in 1932 produced the New Deal. A lopsided Dem majority (plus reaction to the JFK assisination) gave us civil rights laws, Medicare, and the Great Society. None of those were compromises. They made some people really angry!…

Polarization, in this model, isn’t the byproduct of a fight over “allocating loss.” Instead, polarization is useful, in an almost evolutionary sense, because it can help resolve unresolved issues like incomplete health care coverage, or illegal immigration.**** Both are pressing problems. They need to be solved. Until they’re solved, elections will continue to be about them, at least in part. But they’re not going to get solved in the center. (Sorry, Fareed!) They’re much more likely to get solved–or at least resolved–when one side in a polarized contest wins, brutally defeating both its polarized opposition and the champions of mindless bipartisanship.

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The old adversary culture of the intellectuals has turned into a mass adversarial cynicism. The common assumption is that elites are always hiding something. Public servants are in it for themselves. Those people at the top are nowhere near as smart or as wonderful as pure and all-knowing Me.

You end up with movements like Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Parties that try to dispense with authority altogether. They reject hierarchies and leaders because they don’t believe in the concepts. The whole world should be like the Internet — a disbursed semianarchy in which authority is suspect and each individual is king…

I don’t know if America has a leadership problem; it certainly has a followership problem. Vast majorities of Americans don’t trust their institutions. That’s not mostly because our institutions perform much worse than they did in 1925 and 1955, when they were widely trusted. It’s mostly because more people are cynical and like to pretend that they are better than everything else around them. Vanity has more to do with rising distrust than anything else.

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***

It was the first “protest” vote I’ve ever cast, and it felt … well, it felt good. Suddenly I understood a bit better why the Ross Perot or the Pat Buchanan or the Ralph Nader voters did what they did.

They thought the system was so broken that they couldn’t sit out but also couldn’t stomach voting for a conventional candidate at a time of unconventional problems.

Do I think a Ron Paul presidency is ever possible? No, I don’t. But I do want some of the Pauline virtues of candor and non-poll-tested conviction to play a larger role in our politics…

What I really want, though, is a party and a politics that’s commensurate with the problems and possibilities of the country. We’ll get there one day — and then we can focus on progress, not protest.

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MSNBC is the Dunder Miflin of cable news.

What a bunch of clowns!

tom daschle concerned on June 12, 2012 at 10:30 PM

In his mind Joe Scarborough is a fierce promoter of conservative ideas and values. The fact that 95% of the guests on his show are leftists must be an anomaly.

Basilsbest on June 12, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I have been surprised at how quickly Romney has solidified his support.

faraway on June 12, 2012 at 10:33 PM

“Democrats promised to cut spending if Reagan raised taxes. They didn’t cut spending. Reality-based Republicans don’t want to repeat that mistake.”

This…!

Seven Percent Solution on June 12, 2012 at 10:33 PM

You end up with movements like Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Parties that try to dispense with authority altogether.

Is anyone else getting sick and tired of this moral equivalency? They are NOTHING alike. And so much for the premise, because the Tea Party got actively involved in finding and nominating sympathetic candidates who would work for change within the existing system.

John the Libertarian on June 12, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Token Joe is a hero in his head

golembythehudson on June 12, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Didn’t we do this yesterday? Phoning it in Allah, must be on a hot date!

ConcealedKerry on June 12, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Isn’t this last night’s KOTD?

Lanceman on June 12, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Hey Lanceman! We is us!

ConcealedKerry on June 12, 2012 at 10:37 PM

I usually agree with Bishop but this time he is wrong. Just wrong.

SparkPlug on June 12, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Scarborough is the Holly Golightly of conservatism. He’s “a phony, but a real phony.”

Robert_Paulson on June 12, 2012 at 10:37 PM

1. People should listen to Reagan’s Radio addresses between his first presidential run and his 2nd… he really was a “TEA partier” then.
2. Reagan(a living, healthy one) could not get elected in California because of Reagan’s amnesty.

ninjapirate on June 12, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Its a good thing. When you are on the winning side, right libs?

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Democrats promised to cut spending if Reagan raised taxes. They didn’t cut spending. Reality-based Republicans don’t want to repeat that mistake.

excerpt by Allahpundit

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Damn straight! : (

listens2glenn on June 12, 2012 at 10:39 PM

This space reserved for Dire.

The ____ will ____ you.

SparkPlug on June 12, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Hey Lanceman! We is us!

ConcealedKerry on June 12, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Didn’t you serve in V’yet Nam?

Lanceman on June 12, 2012 at 10:41 PM

The point I was making yesterday is this: The political system today is hyperpartisan. Both sides are at fault.

But, many would argue that the politicians are merely reflecting the positions of their constituents. I think that there are some issues where there can be no compromise. Will pro-lifers and pro-aborts ever be able to compromise? No. Will Big Gov’ers and Limited Gov’ers be able to compromise? Very doubtful. Will those that put the collective above the individual ever get those that believe in individualism to come over to their side? I don’t see how.

As To Partisanship, Washington Reflects The State Of The Country

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/06/on-partisanship-washington-reflects.html

M2RB: Everclear

Resist We Much on June 12, 2012 at 10:42 PM

ConcealedKerry on June 12, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Your username is making my head explode.

John the Libertarian on June 12, 2012 at 10:42 PM

The political system today is hyperpartisan. Both sides are at fault.

Brilliant.

minnesoter on June 12, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Here allow me to repeat. Greggers.

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 10:44 PM

“Democrats promised to cut spending if Reagan raised taxes. They didn’t cut spending. Reality-based Republicans don’t want to repeat that mistake.”

This…!

Seven Percent Solution on June 12, 2012 at 10:33 PM

…AND AGAIN!

KOOLAID2 on June 12, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Didn’t you serve in V’yet Nam?

Lanceman on June 12, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Kambodia too got shot in the azz with a rice paddy thus my purple hart, which I almost threw over the fence

ConcealedKerry on June 12, 2012 at 10:45 PM

The ____ will ____ you.

SparkPlug on June 12, 2012 at 10:41 PM

I wanta play…

I will by a GOP
and a…
Betray

*darn…Too many characters….*

Electrongod on June 12, 2012 at 10:45 PM

by = buy….

But no one noticed…
right?

Electrongod on June 12, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Here allow me to repeat. Greggers.

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Was intended to go with this quote.

Jeb Bush backtracks, then repeats criticism

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Krauthammer totally shredded Jeb on BOR. Ken’s mistake was equating his dad and Reagan as fellow conservatives. Nevermind that Reagan had to beat his dad down in order to win against the then Rockefeller establishment.

AH_C on June 12, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Electrongod on June 12, 2012 at 10:46 PM

We would have. Sure it wasn’t bye?

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Screencap looks like Chicago.
*Homesick*

annoyinglittletwerp on June 12, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Never thought I’d say this, but “Jeb, go the f*ck away!”

Jesus Christ, you’re worse than McLame.

Lanceman on June 12, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Scarborough is Bill O’Reilly :

Begin as a Conservative. Try to launch into other areas of media (both radio, and in Scarborough’s case, books) and FAIL and return and lash out at the “crazy extremist right” (that rejected you).

Mark Levin said tonight what I have said for months and months: the most JEALOUS man in media is Joe Scarborough. If you are something now he never could be (yes, YOU Sarah Palin. Yes YOU Marco Rubio. Yes YOU Florida Governor Scott) he sneers and practically spits his anger.

Marcus on June 12, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Anne Sorock

“From time to time we’ve been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. Well, if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else?”

Tea anyone?

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Never thought I’d say this, but “Jeb, go the f*ck away!”

Jesus Christ, you’re worse than McLame.

Lanceman on June 12, 2012 at 10:48 PM

+100

When was the last time we had a true conservative prez.?

Electrongod on June 12, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Scarborough is Bill O’Reilly :

Begin as a Conservative. Try to launch into other areas of media (both radio, and in Scarborough’s case, books) and FAIL and return and lash out at the “crazy extremist right” (that rejected you).

Marcus on June 12, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Yeah. But he sang the theme from Greatest American Hero unlike BOR.

Lanceman on June 12, 2012 at 10:50 PM

What I really want, though, is a party and a politics that’s commensurate with the problems and possibilities of the country. We’ll get there one day — and then we can focus on progress, not protest.

What an unmitigated hack you are…

Tim Zank on June 12, 2012 at 10:52 PM

When was the last time we had a true conservative prez.?

Electrongod on June 12, 2012 at 10:50 PM

You know me. I love W. But Jeb needs to shut his eating hole.

Lanceman on June 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM

We would have. Sure it wasn’t bye?

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 10:47 PM

A third option!!???

Curious…

Was Alex Trebek a genius…

Or did he have a flawless teleprompter..?

Electrongod on June 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Every word from the Legal Insurrection site is true. I hope Anne Soroke ends up writing the history.Her take is much truer then the Reagan revisionism I’ve seen from the left and the moderate right.

BoxHead1 on June 12, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Do I think a Ron Paul presidency is ever possible? No, I don’t. But I do want some of the Pauline virtues of candor and non-poll-tested conviction to play a larger role in our politics…

Candor? What candor? Ask Paul about his positions on 9/11, Israel, and his, uh, colorful newsletters of not so long ago, and TELL us about candor. “Pauline virtues” my fragrant Irish ass.

minnesoter on June 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM

You know me. I love W. But Jeb needs to shut his eating hole.

Lanceman on June 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM

That can’t be said enough…

Plug The Hole…

Electrongod on June 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM

“… Shut Up!” – Scarborough

Why Joe…

… How very Left of you!

Seven Percent Solution on June 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Brooksie, of course, sees himself as a member of the intellectual elites…so what we have here…is a follower problem…LOL.

d1carter on June 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM

OT, which is okay in the QotD I hope. I was just watching old election returns on YouTube for fun (political junkie), and happened to hear Dan Rather make this very, very strange election call for Governor in Vermont. At least it seemed strangely hilarious to me. Watch from 2:40 to 2:50.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha7PC5fpL7w

Ted Torgerson on June 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Today is president Bush, the elder’s, birthday. Happy Birthday Mr. President.

Today it’s also 25 years since the RR Brandenburg speech “tear down that wall…”.

Now, your dad was not Ronald Reagan, Jeb.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Every word from the Legal Insurrection site is true.

In the article above not the every article ever on legal.. whatever

BoxHead1 on June 12, 2012 at 10:56 PM

starting late. 1st cold one of the evening.

Where da composite women at?

Tim_CA on June 12, 2012 at 10:56 PM

the great intro of the tv show Branded starring Chuck Connors http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKmJPnAGUJk instead of a sword they just use a lead starbucks cup and break it over joes head as they ceremoniously kick him out of conservatism.

renalin on June 12, 2012 at 10:57 PM

The GOP will betray you!!..:)

The GOPe will betray you!!!..For the true cons!!..:)

Dire Straits on June 12, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Tea anyone?

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 10:50 PM

It isn’t Tea…

… but I’ll drink to that!

*clink*

Seven Percent Solution on June 12, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Tim_CA on June 12, 2012 at 10:56 PM

greetings!

annoyinglittletwerp on June 12, 2012 at 10:58 PM

You know me. I love W. But Jeb needs to shut his eating hole.

Lanceman on June 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM

That can’t be said enough…

Plug The Hole…

Electrongod on June 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Yeah but Jeb’s the cerebral one. So we really must listen to his calls for self-silencing.

minnesoter on June 12, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Ya’ know. I think MSNBC is starting to make some sense.

And so is Jeb Bush.

And that Scarborough guy needs more air time.

cozmo on June 12, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Jonah Goldberg

President Reagan is the greatest President in my lifetime. If he were in the running today he would win easily. About this there is no reason to doubt. He is loved. Especially today.

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 10:59 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on June 12, 2012 at 10:58 PM

;-)

Lovely as usual.

Tim_CA on June 12, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Ted Torgerson on June 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Hey Ted…

… if you can find Dan Rather’s reaction when Newt and the boys took over the House back in 1994, you’re in for a real treat.

Seven Percent Solution on June 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM

In a dream I have Mika walks up to me on the street and says, “Kiss me and make me Conservative.”

In it she’s wearing a fuzzy sweater.

I’d like to think a comment like this would be considered out of character for me. But I’ve held back on these Morning Joe threads long enough and just reached the breaking point.

Mika, why did you have to be so liberal?

hawkdriver on June 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM

*clink*

Seven Percent Solution on June 12, 2012 at 10:57 PM

*clink!*

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM

SparkPlug on June 12, 2012 at 10:41 PM

LoLz..Thanks!!..
I was born in the wagon of a travellin’ show
My mamma used to dance for the money they’d throw..:):)

Dire Straits on June 12, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Or did he have a flawless teleprompter..?

Electrongod on June 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Lol! I’m thinking good show prep and a flawless teleprompter.

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 11:01 PM

greetings!

annoyinglittletwerp on June 12, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Though your post wasn’t directed at HA generally..

I’ll say..

Greetings twerp..

Oh…

Bmore just clinked…
So did the 7% guy….

I will start with you..

*clink*…

Electrongod on June 12, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Seven Percent Solution on June 12, 2012 at 10:57 PM

*clink*..:):)

PS..Hello!!..:)

Dire Straits on June 12, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 10:59 PM

+ 100..Hear!..Hear!..:)

Dire Straits on June 12, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Lol! I’m thinking good show prep and a flawless teleprompter.

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 11:01 PM

*clink*

Electrongod on June 12, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Mika, why did you have to be so liberal?

hawkdriver on June 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM

I hear you. She’s a goddess. A really dumb goddess.

BoxHead1 on June 12, 2012 at 11:04 PM

But you can’t blow up the space-time continuum, and if Reagan were alive today, he couldn’t win the GOP nomination — not because he’d be too liberal but because he’d be 101 years old.

Heh. When Jonah’s on, he’s spot on.

Flora Duh on June 12, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Where to start with all this…. first of all, opportunists like Harry Reid sicken me but the Republicans that give people skunks like Reid make me just as sick. In a race for president, one does not go around publicly saying “Hey, we’re too partisan and everybody knows it!” That way the hyper-partisan hacks like Reid get in front of the microphone, agree with the self-criticism of dumbass Republican, and then say “It’s not me saying these things about them, it’s them!”
.
How dumb can you be to see that Democrats never, never criticize their party. They may disagree with a policy or two, like Clenis did with Bark but there is not going to be a wholesale criticism. Why Republicans love to stand up and act all guilty is beyond me. Look how bad the Democrats have done, economically and legislatively – they suck and everybody knows it. Bark sucks, and everybody knows it. Still, ‘rats will use (R)’s own criticisms to bolster their case without any hesitation or shame.
.
Let’s start a Conservative-Constitutionalist Party…

ExpressoBold on June 12, 2012 at 11:04 PM

My dad & Reagan sacrificed political points for good public policy.

Don’t even try to put your father together with Reagan for a political point. Your dad … of “voo-doo economics” infamy? Yeah, great guy, there.

Bush Sr. wasn’t in Reagan’s league. Reagan took down the Soviet Union while your dad took that great opportunity and used it to empower the UN – one of the dumbest moves in all of human history, as no one but a complete dolt would think that the existence of an empowered, peerless, competitionless entity should even be attempted.

Your dad was also about the first to turn the US against Israel (our staunch and only dependable ally in the middle east through the whole of the Cold War) after Israel had absorbed some 30 scuds without retaliating. Bush Sr’s thanks to such an ally (who wasn’t invited into the “coalition” so as not to disturb the disturbd arabs) was to turn around and stop loan guarantees (guarantees, not loans) to stop Israel from building in places that Bush Sr. decided on his own shouldn’t be built on (including normal growth in the suburbs of Jerusalem). That was after Bush Sr. screwed up Gulf War I by not finishing the job even as the fact that Hussein intentionally dumped tens of millions of barrels of oil into the gulf and lit just about every single oil well in Kuwait on fire, all as he was being allowed to retreat in one of the most humiliating military defeats in recorded history, demonstrated that such a total lunatic with a scorched earth strategy could not be allowed to stay in control of one of the most important strategic points on Earth.

Jeb Bush. Go away, already. I’ve had more than enough of the Bush family. You are a dynasty of mediocrities. Embarrassing.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Geez, Joe Scarborough is so sanctimonious. I think I’m more of the “moderate” end of the political spectrum but I don’t think I’m better than anyone because of it. Get over yourself Mr. Scarborough.

terryannonline on June 12, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Scarborough is Bill O’Reilly :

Begin as a Conservative. Try to launch into other areas of media (both radio, and in Scarborough’s case, books) and FAIL and return and lash out at the “crazy extremist right” (that rejected you).

Marcus on June 12, 2012 at 10:49 PM

While mostly true, Bill does have his moments. And, to be fair, sometimes he can be right about how hyper-partisan some conservatives are. I think a good example of that was when he recently called out the group “One Million Moms” when they started a boycott against JC Penny for the sole reason that they hired someone who was gay (Ellen Degeneres) to be their spokesperson. Sometimes you need to point out unreasonable people within your own party.

theoddmanout on June 12, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Mr I Won thinks he’s all that and a bag of chips

cmsinaz on June 12, 2012 at 11:06 PM

In it she’s wearing a fuzzy sweater.

hawkdriver on June 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM

.
??????
.
In a dream, why bother with a sweater?

ExpressoBold on June 12, 2012 at 11:07 PM

joe just needs to change his party id and be done with it…

cmsinaz on June 12, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Drizzle drazzle druzzle drome,
time for this one to come home.

John the Libertarian on June 12, 2012 at 11:10 PM

*clink*

Electrongod on June 12, 2012 at 11:04 PM

*clink!*
I think hawkdriver was actually having a nightmare. Nightmares can be enjoyable too. ; )

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 11:10 PM

jeb the new maverick that all the lsm loves

cmsinaz on June 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

The Democrat and Republican parties are only polarized on special interest issues that they use to keep the American people divided against each other to create the appearance that they are different. On the most important issues of the modern age that are destroying our economy and the American way—runaway spending, unsustainable debt, inflation and cronyism and the politics of fear that drives all of that plus the ballooning warfare/police-state—both parties are the same. Jeb Bush is just putting on a show for the masses to bolster the charade that the American people still have a choice.

FloatingRock on June 12, 2012 at 11:12 PM

While mostly true, Bill does have his moments. And, to be fair, sometimes he can be right about how hyper-partisan some conservatives are. I think a good example of that was when he recently called out the group “One Million Moms” when they started a boycott against JC Penny for the sole reason that they hired someone who was gay (Ellen Degeneres) to be their spokesperson. Sometimes you need to point out unreasonable people within your own party.

theoddmanout on June 12, 2012 at 11:06 PM

I agree. I think there is value in pointing out the radicals on your side. The thing that Scarborough does that annoys me is that he paints a broad brush that most in his party are like this and it’s not true. Not everyone in the conservative movement is a crazy birther nutjob.

terryannonline on June 12, 2012 at 11:12 PM

LoLz..Thanks!!..
I was born in the wagon of a travellin’ show
My mamma used to dance for the money they’d throw..:):)

Dire Straits on June 12, 2012 at 11:01 PM

LOL*

Papa would do whatever he could.

SparkPlug on June 12, 2012 at 11:14 PM

A lopsided Dem majority (plus reaction to the JFK assisination) gave us civil rights laws, Medicare, and the Great Society.

Liberal revisionist history. A greater percentage of Republicans than democratics in Congress voted for the civil rights legislation of the 1960′s.

slickwillie2001 on June 12, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Rich Lowry

0 will be gone soon. He leaves behind much work. Many things must be worked on because of him and his ilk. The work will be good for our souls, but hard and painful. I’m ready one more time to work. Will they be? Will Rmoney™ be able to work. Will we do the necessary work to save this great Nation?

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 11:17 PM

I think a good example of that was when he recently called out the group “One Million Moms” when they started a boycott against JC Penny for the sole reason that they hired someone who was gay (Ellen Degeneres) to be their spokesperson. Sometimes you need to point out unreasonable people within your own party.

theoddmanout on June 12, 2012 at 11:06 PM

So the blowhard BOR didn’t give ” One Million Moms ” the benefit of doubt ? Not even ” they have a right to their opinion ” cover ?
I wonder why ?

burrata on June 12, 2012 at 11:18 PM

SparkPlug on June 12, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Preach a little Gospel, sell a couple bottles of Doctor Good..:)

Dire Straits on June 12, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Heh. By the way where was Jeb Bush when the libs were tearing his brother up limb from limb with hyper-partisanship?

terryannonline on June 12, 2012 at 11:19 PM

with the gridlock and being an election year…barber won’t be doing too much anyway, no?

cmsinaz on June 12, 2012 at 11:21 PM

oopsie wrong thread

cmsinaz on June 12, 2012 at 11:22 PM

I think a good example of that was when he recently called out the group “One Million Moms” when they started a boycott against JC Penny for the sole reason that they hired someone who was gay (Ellen Degeneres) to be their spokesperson.

theoddmanout on June 12, 2012 at 11:06 PM

JC Penney didn’t hire a spokesman who happened to be gay. They hired her specifically because she was gay. JC Penney wanted to project that image and it offended traditional people.

O’Reilly is a blowhard, though I haven’t watched his show in almost two years so maybe he’s changed a little. He certainly was an idiotic blowhard back then, but your example is evidence of his idiocy.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 12, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Mickey Kaus

I would be totally comfortable to completely dominating our adversaries and giving them no quarter. No say what so ever. Silence them completely. No Quarter.

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 11:23 PM

people like Jeb Bush should think before they talk. He should ask himself….is what i want to say going to wind up in an anti-Romney ad. If the answer yes, then stfu.

better yet retire to somewhere (hint, you ain’t going to be president)

And poor davey brooks…if someone on the Titanic sees an iceberg, just be quite, let your betters deal with it…it would be vain for someone like you to speak up.

you know…we really have some sickos in our upper class

r keller on June 12, 2012 at 11:24 PM

oopsie wrong thread

cmsinaz on June 12, 2012 at 11:22 PM

*clink*

Come around again soon….:)

Electrongod on June 12, 2012 at 11:24 PM

In a dream, why bother with a sweater?

ExpressoBold on June 12, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Come on. A fuzzy sweater!

hawkdriver on June 12, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Dire Straits on June 12, 2012 at 11:19 PM

______, tramps and thieves
We’d hear it from the people of the town
They’d call us ______, tramps and thieves
But every night all the men would come around
And lay their money down.:)

SparkPlug on June 12, 2012 at 11:25 PM

In and out…

OmahaConservative on June 12, 2012 at 11:25 PM

*clink*

Come around again soon….:)

Electrongod on June 12, 2012 at 11:24 PM

*clink*

cmsinaz on June 12, 2012 at 11:25 PM

The point I was making yesterday is this: The political system today is hyperpartisan. Both sides are at fault.

So WHAT is our fault Jeb Bush ?
And I ask this as a hard working tax-paying non-criminal conservative US citizen .
What exactly is our fault? Care to elaborate idiot ??

burrata on June 12, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Silence them completely. No Quarter.

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Need to keep at least a breeding pair around, for educational purposes. Sometimes youngsters need more than just a history lesson for the thought to sink in.

But keep them safely away from contaminating the public. Like Ebola.

cozmo on June 12, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Moanin’ Joe is awfully sanctimonious, for someone who still has a cloud of suspicion surrounding him because of the female intern found dead in his office.

Flora Duh on June 12, 2012 at 11:27 PM

SparkPlug on June 12, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Picked up a boy just south of Mobile
Gave him a ride, and filled him with a hot meal..:)

Dire Straits on June 12, 2012 at 11:29 PM

I don’t want to start a food fight but NY Pizza is way better than Chicago pizza.

SparkPlug on June 12, 2012 at 11:29 PM

*clink*

cmsinaz on June 12, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Wow…

That was quick…

So what thread were you on?

This one is dying quick….

Electrongod on June 12, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Dire Straits on June 12, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Um okay, not that there’s anything wrong with that…I think.

cozmo on June 12, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Hey, kids! Coming up for air after The Middle Scot’s graduation ceremony and BBQ. Never let it be said within my earshot that homeschooled kids have no social skills. 98 people attended! Two down, one to go. Next year will be my 15th year–yikes!

M2RB: Everclear

Resist We Much on June 12, 2012 at 10:42 PM

I’ve given up, what does M2RB mean? For the life of me, I can’t figure it out! : )

Screencap looks like Chicago.
*Homesick*

annoyinglittletwerp on June 12, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Hey, Twerp! Mid 70s today, no humidity. Just beauteous!

herm2416 on June 12, 2012 at 11:30 PM

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