Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!
posted at 7:26 pm on June 12, 2012 by J.E. Dyer
Few may have joined in commemorating Ronald Reagan’s “ash heap of history” speech last week, but the infosphere is alive today with the sound of perhaps his most famous appeal, made on this day in 1987.
Peter Robinson had a wonderful piece at the Wall Street Journal over the weekend, in which he cited the opinions of former subjects of the Eastern Bloc that Reagan’s words spoken at the Brandenburg Gate had indeed made a difference. A retired German, Dieter Elz, offered this perspective:
[T]he division of the continent [into Communist East and free West] had come to seem permanent, inescapable, fixed.
“Everyone was aware of the suffering in the East,” Dieter said, “but no one could see what to do about it. Reagan made us understand that maybe things could be different. Here is a piece of wall. Why not remove it? Reagan changed—how would you say it in English? In German, Bewusstsein. Consciousness? Yes. He changed our consciousness.”
Former Soviet dissident Yuri Yarim-Agaev offered this:
In the 1975 Helsinki Accords, Yuri explained, even the West accepted the division of Europe. “Imagine how hard this made our struggle. We almost had to admit that it was hopeless. Then Reagan says, ‘Break the wall!’ Why break this wall if these borders are valid? To us, it was more than a question of Berlin or even of Germany. It was a question of the legitimacy of the Soviet empire. Reagan challenged the empire. To us, that meant everything. After that speech, everything was in play.”
The wall was erected quickly, starting the night of 13 August 1961 – to keep East Germans from fleeing to the West. More than 3 million of them already had since the end of World War II, when the Soviet occupation of eastern Germany was established, and later, when a communist government was installed. The Wall became the quintessential symbol of the Cold War: an enduring emblem of the brutality and failure of state-based Marxism.
Berlin itself was a divided city, with West Berlin a Western enclave inside East Germany, surrounded by concertina wire and armed guard posts. Throughout the Cold War, it outperformed its Eastern counterpart in every way, and became, like the Wall, a symbol – of holding on against the odds, of hope, courage, and freedom of speech and ideas. The Wall transfixed the imagination of the globe, but West Berlin represented a quiet, tenacious downpayment on the triumph of the free world. In retrospect, it was the outpost not of a long, twilight defeat but of a victory that was foreordained, if the free peoples had the courage to press for it.
In speeches like the one to the House of Commons, five years before he spoke in Berlin, Reagan articulated why the victory was foreordained. He was not lobbing snark at the Soviet Union, or merely uttering false-heroic challenges. He saw, across the landscape of his moral and political vision, the victory for freedom. He saw the lights on the Western side, and knew they had to win out over the darkness on the other. He saw West Berlin, where everyone else saw the Wall. And when he said “Tear down this wall,” he meant: “Tear down this wall!”
This is what he said in a less well-known portion of the address:
Yes, across Europe, this wall will fall, for it cannot withstand faith; it cannot withstand truth. The wall cannot withstand freedom.
He meant every word. The Wall came down, two years and five months after Reagan’s speech. Fittingly, it was torn down by the German people. So effective had been the break-out of the Eastern Bloc that by late 1989, Gorbachev was no longer the one who had to tear the Wall down.
I think Reagan would be the first to say that it was the people of Eastern Europe who seized their future. He would not take credit for what they did, and he would be right to efface himself. But the courage and ingenuity of the people do need a champion, and that’s what Reagan was. His philosophy is vindicated wherever people insist on and demonstrate their ability to outdo the limits set for them by small-minded governments and ideologues. It is hard to let others be free, but Reagan knew that the rewards are tremendous, and worth giving up the urge to exercise control.
Peter Robinson concludes his piece with this summary of a question he posed to Nancy Reagan:
Had the president ever remarked that it was the people of Berlin, not General Secretary Gorbachev, who had torn down the Berlin Wall? “Oh, yes,” Mrs. Reagan replied. “He always felt that it happened because the people made it happen, and he was happy to have helped them in any way possible.”
That’s something his critics never got about Reagan – something even many of his supporters have missed, perhaps because it’s so simple, and because it seems sentimental to our modern minds, conditioned as they are to materialist and systematic thinking. With Reagan, it was about the people.
Reagan’s speech to the people of Berlin
12 June 1987
Chancellor Kohl, Governing Mayor Diepgen, ladies and gentlemen: Twenty four years ago, President John F. Kennedy visited Berlin, and speaking to the people of this city and the world at the city hall. Well since then two other presidents have come, each in his turn to Berlin. And today, I, myself, make my second visit to your city.
We come to Berlin, we American Presidents, because it’s our duty to speak in this place of freedom. But I must confess, we’re drawn here by other things as well; by the feeling of history in this city — more than 500 years older than our own nation; by the beauty of the Grunewald and the Tiergarten; most of all, by your courage and determination. Perhaps the composer, Paul Linke, understood something about American Presidents. You see, like so many Presidents before me, I come here today because wherever I go, whatever I do: “Ich hab noch einen Koffer in Berlin” [I still have a suitcase in Berlin.]
Our gathering today is being broadcast throughout Western Europe and North America. I understand that it is being seen and heard as well in the East. To those listening throughout Eastern Europe, I extend my warmest greetings and the good will of the American people. To those listening in East Berlin, a special word: Although I cannot be with you, I address my remarks to you just as surely as to those standing here before me. For I join you, as I join your fellow countrymen in the West, in this firm, this unalterable belief: Es gibt nur ein Berlin. [There is only one Berlin.]
Behind me stands a wall that encircles the free sectors of this city, part of a vast system of barriers that divides the entire continent of Europe. From the Baltic South, those barriers cut across Germany in a gash of barbed wire, concrete, dog runs, and guard towers. Farther south, there may be no visible, no obvious wall. But there remain armed guards and checkpoints all the same — still a restriction on the right to travel, still an instrument to impose upon ordinary men and women the will of a totalitarian state.
Yet, it is here in Berlin where the wall emerges most clearly; here, cutting across your city, where the news photo and the television screen have imprinted this brutal division of a continent upon the mind of the world.
Standing before the Brandenburg Gate, every man is a German separated from his fellow men.
Every man is a Berliner, forced to look upon a scar.
President Von Weizsäcker has said, “The German question is open as long as the Brandenburg Gate is closed.” Well today — today I say: As long as this gate is closed, as long as this scar of a wall is permitted to stand, it is not the German question alone that remains open, but the question of freedom for all mankind.
Yet, I do not come here to lament. For I find in Berlin a message of hope, even in the shadow of this wall, a message of triumph.
In this season of spring in 1945, the people of Berlin emerged from their air-raid shelters to find devastation. Thousands of miles away, the people of the United States reached out to help. And in 1947 Secretary of State — as you’ve been told — George Marshall announced the creation of what would become known as the Marshall Plan. Speaking precisely 40 years ago this month, he said: “Our policy is directed not against any country or doctrine, but against hunger, poverty, desperation, and chaos.”
In the Reichstag a few moments ago, I saw a display commemorating this 40th anniversary of the Marshall Plan. I was struck by a sign — the sign on a burnt-out, gutted structure that was being rebuilt. I understand that Berliners of my own generation can remember seeing signs like it dotted throughout the western sectors of the city. The sign read simply: “The Marshall Plan is helping here to strengthen the free world.” A strong, free world in the West — that dream became real. Japan rose from ruin to become an economic giant. Italy, France, Belgium — virtually every nation in Western Europe saw political and economic rebirth; the European Community was founded.
In West Germany and here in Berlin, there took place an economic miracle, the Wirtschaftswunder. Adenauer, Erhard, Reuter, and other leaders understood the practical importance of liberty — that just as truth can flourish only when the journalist is given freedom of speech, so prosperity can come about only when the farmer and businessman enjoy economic freedom. The German leaders — the German leaders reduced tariffs, expanded free trade, lowered taxes. From 1950 to 1960 alone, the standard of living in West Germany and Berlin doubled.
Where four decades ago there was rubble, today in West Berlin there is the greatest industrial output of any city in Germany: busy office blocks, fine homes and apartments, proud avenues, and the spreading lawns of parkland. Where a city’s culture seemed to have been destroyed, today there are two great universities, orchestras and an opera, countless theaters, and museums. Where there was want, today there’s abundance — food, clothing, automobiles — the wonderful goods of the Kudamm.¹ From devastation, from utter ruin, you Berliners have, in freedom, rebuilt a city that once again ranks as one of the greatest on earth. Now the Soviets may have had other plans. But my friends, there were a few things the Soviets didn’t count on: Berliner Herz, Berliner Humor, ja, und Berliner Schnauze. [Berliner heart, Berliner humor, yes, and a Berliner Schnauze.²]
In the 1950s — In the 1950s Khrushchev predicted: “We will bury you.”
But in the West today, we see a free world that has achieved a level of prosperity and well-being unprecedented in all human history. In the Communist world, we see failure, technological backwardness, declining standards of health, even want of the most basic kind — too little food. Even today, the Soviet Union still cannot feed itself. After these four decades, then, there stands before the entire world one great and inescapable conclusion: Freedom leads to prosperity. Freedom replaces the ancient hatreds among the nations with comity and peace. Freedom is the victor.
And now — now the Soviets themselves may, in a limited way, be coming to understand the importance of freedom. We hear much from Moscow about a new policy of reform and openness. Some political prisoners have been released. Certain foreign news broadcasts are no longer being jammed. Some economic enterprises have been permitted to operate with greater freedom from state control.
Are these the beginnings of profound changes in the Soviet state? Or are they token gestures intended to raise false hopes in the West, or to strengthen the Soviet system without changing it? We welcome change and openness; for we believe that freedom and security go together, that the advance of human liberty — the advance of human liberty can only strengthen the cause of world peace.
There is one sign the Soviets can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace.
General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate.
Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate.
Mr. Gorbachev — Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!
I understand the fear of war and the pain of division that afflict this continent, and I pledge to you my country’s efforts to help overcome these burdens. To be sure, we in the West must resist Soviet expansion. So, we must maintain defenses of unassailable strength. Yet we seek peace; so we must strive to reduce arms on both sides.
Beginning 10 years ago, the Soviets challenged the Western alliance with a grave new threat, hundreds of new and more deadly SS-20 nuclear missiles capable of striking every capital in Europe. The Western alliance responded by committing itself to a counter-deployment (unless the Soviets agreed to negotiate a better solution) — namely, the elimination of such weapons on both sides. For many months, the Soviets refused to bargain in earnestness. As the alliance, in turn, prepared to go forward with its counter-deployment, there were difficult days, days of protests like those during my 1982 visit to this city; and the Soviets later walked away from the table.
But through it all, the alliance held firm. And I invite those who protested then — I invite those who protest today — to mark this fact: Because we remained strong, the Soviets came back to the table. Because we remained strong, today we have within reach the possibility, not merely of limiting the growth of arms, but of eliminating, for the first time, an entire class of nuclear weapons from the face of the earth.
As I speak, NATO ministers are meeting in Iceland to review the progress of our proposals for eliminating these weapons. At the talks in Geneva, we have also proposed deep cuts in strategic offensive weapons. And the Western allies have likewise made far-reaching proposals to reduce the danger of conventional war and to place a total ban on chemical weapons.
While we pursue these arms reductions, I pledge to you that we will maintain the capacity to deter Soviet aggression at any level at which it might occur. And in cooperation with many of our allies, the United States is pursuing the Strategic Defense Initiative — research to base deterrence not on the threat of offensive retaliation, but on defenses that truly defend; on systems, in short, that will not target populations, but shield them. By these means we seek to increase the safety of Europe and all the world. But we must remember a crucial fact: East and West do not mistrust each other because we are armed; we are armed because we mistrust each other. And our differences are not about weapons but about liberty. When President Kennedy spoke at the City Hall those 24 years ago, freedom was encircled; Berlin was under siege. And today, despite all the pressures upon this city, Berlin stands secure in its liberty. And freedom itself is transforming the globe.
In the Philippines, in South and Central America, democracy has been given a rebirth. Throughout the Pacific, free markets are working miracle after miracle of economic growth. In the industrialized nations, a technological revolution is taking place, a revolution marked by rapid, dramatic advances in computers and telecommunications.
In Europe, only one nation and those it controls refuse to join the community of freedom. Yet in this age of redoubled economic growth, of information and innovation, the Soviet Union faces a choice: It must make fundamental changes, or it will become obsolete.
Today, thus, represents a moment of hope. We in the West stand ready to cooperate with the East to promote true openness, to break down barriers that separate people, to create a safer, freer world. And surely there is no better place than Berlin, the meeting place of East and West, to make a start.
Free people of Berlin: Today, as in the past, the United States stands for the strict observance and full implementation of all parts of the Four Power Agreement of 1971. Let us use this occasion, the 750th anniversary of this city, to usher in a new era, to seek a still fuller, richer life for the Berlin of the future. Together, let us maintain and develop the ties between the Federal Republic and the Western sectors of Berlin, which is permitted by the 1971 agreement.
And I invite Mr. Gorbachev: Let us work to bring the Eastern and Western parts of the city closer together, so that all the inhabitants of all Berlin can enjoy the benefits that come with life in one of the great cities of the world.
To open Berlin still further to all Europe, East and West, let us expand the vital air access to this city, finding ways of making commercial air service to Berlin more convenient, more comfortable, and more economical. We look to the day when West Berlin can become one of the chief aviation hubs in all central Europe.
With — With our French — With our French and British partners, the United States is prepared to help bring international meetings to Berlin. It would be only fitting for Berlin to serve as the site of United Nations meetings, or world conferences on human rights and arms control, or other issues that call for international cooperation.
There is no better way to establish hope for the future than to enlighten young minds, and we would be honored to sponsor summer youth exchanges, cultural events, and other programs for young Berliners from the East. Our French and British friends, I’m certain, will do the same. And it’s my hope that an authority can be found in East Berlin to sponsor visits from young people of the Western sectors.
One final proposal, one close to my heart: Sport represents a source of enjoyment and ennoblement, and you may have noted that the Republic of Korea — South Korea — has offered to permit certain events of the 1988 Olympics to take place in the North. International sports competitions of all kinds could take place in both parts of this city. And what better way to demonstrate to the world the openness of this city than to offer in some future year to hold the Olympic games here in Berlin, East and West.
In these four decades, as I have said, you Berliners have built a great city. You’ve done so in spite of threats — the Soviet attempts to impose the East-mark, the blockade. Today the city thrives in spite of the challenges implicit in the very presence of this wall. What keeps you here? Certainly there’s a great deal to be said for your fortitude, for your defiant courage. But I believe there’s something deeper, something that involves Berlin’s whole look and feel and way of life — not mere sentiment. No one could live long in Berlin without being completely disabused of illusions. Something, instead, that has seen the difficulties of life in Berlin but chose to accept them, that continues to build this good and proud city in contrast to a surrounding totalitarian presence, that refuses to release human energies or aspirations, something that speaks with a powerful voice of affirmation, that says “yes” to this city, yes to the future, yes to freedom. In a word, I would submit that what keeps you in Berlin — is “love.”
Love both profound and abiding.
Perhaps this gets to the root of the matter, to the most fundamental distinction of all between East and West. The totalitarian world produces backwardness because it does such violence to the spirit, thwarting the human impulse to create, to enjoy, to worship. The totalitarian world finds even symbols of love and of worship an affront.
Years ago, before the East Germans began rebuilding their churches, they erected a secular structure: the television tower at Alexander Platz. Virtually ever since, the authorities have been working to correct what they view as the tower’s one major flaw: treating the glass sphere at the top with paints and chemicals of every kind. Yet even today when the sun strikes that sphere, that sphere that towers over all Berlin, the light makes the sign of the cross. There in Berlin, like the city itself, symbols of love, symbols of worship, cannot be suppressed.
As I looked out a moment ago from the Reichstag, that embodiment of German unity, I noticed words crudely spray-painted upon the wall, perhaps by a young Berliner (quote):
“This wall will fall. Beliefs become reality.”
Yes, across Europe, this wall will fall, for it cannot withstand faith; it cannot withstand truth. The wall cannot withstand freedom.
And I would like, before I close, to say one word. I have read, and I have been questioned since I’ve been here about certain demonstrations against my coming. And I would like to say just one thing, and to those who demonstrate so. I wonder if they have ever asked themselves that if they should have the kind of government they apparently seek, no one would ever be able to do what they’re doing again.
Thank you and God bless you all. Thank you.
Speech text from American Rhetoric. C-SPAN has the full video here. Just the money quote here.
J.E. Dyer’s articles have appeared at The Green Room, Commentary’s “contentions,” Patheos, The Weekly Standard online, and her own blog, The Optimistic Conservative.
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Mock at your own peril, little monkeys. Because the last time Surrendertopia mocked Germany, it ended in a funny man with a mustache marching through the Arch of ‘Triumph’ and making them sign the “we give up” papers in the same train car.
MelonCollie on April 26, 2013 at 8:02 PM
Leftists, the world over, are just plain insane.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 8:02 PM
Socialist mantra – “Ce qui est à moi est à moi, et ce qui est le vôtre est le mien.” (What’s mine is mine, and what’s yours is mine.”
Steve Eggleston on April 26, 2013 at 8:03 PM
Be our slaves or we will call you bad names.
VorDaj on April 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM
And grasshoppers blame hardworking ants for being selfish.
rbj on April 26, 2013 at 8:06 PM
There’s a spitting, shuffling, Elmer Fudd character on OReilly right now.
Boston, really?
RovesChins on April 26, 2013 at 8:09 PM
Deutschland Report
The German Greens are having their convention and Ms. Merkel is getting it from them also. The problem is the stubborn popularity of the CDU which is leading the Greens to consider an alliance with them as opposed to the usual Social Democrats.
The top rate for tax being considered is a LOT lower than the French 75% soaking and even the Greens want to stay away from that. As a matter of fact, the French have really helped many here define their political ideology and leftward limit. Sort of like the Soviets used to do.
I think the Greens and others are considering a net worth tax but everyone knows it will not pass.
The Germans are having their Oscars tonight! They get a dumber looking statute but…(drumroll).. 3 million Euros to go with it.
The top film is a moody piece with some cynical looking kid smoking cigarettes with interesting little parts of Berlin as a backdrop.
There is also that complicated film which is also big over here but nobody knows it is German.
IlikedAUH2O on April 26, 2013 at 8:14 PM
Uh, the German economy is kicking a$$. Suck it, frogs.
msupertas on April 26, 2013 at 8:19 PM
Because the last time France got into a fight with Germany, it worked out so well for the French.
Gator Country on April 26, 2013 at 8:24 PM
So Germany shells out tens of billions of dollars to the smaller EU nations and Merkel is the selfish one???
Right….
Glenn Jericho on April 26, 2013 at 8:25 PM
Merkel, the George Bush of Europe.
Sterling Holobyte on April 26, 2013 at 8:26 PM
Chancellor Merkel and Prime Minister Cameron are the only ones in Europe that have half a brain. Drown them out, and its over. Face it, Europeans, you got lazy and messed up, big time.
tommy71 on April 26, 2013 at 8:29 PM
If the paramiltary force in Boston last week was instead in Paris they would of surrendered and given over the country.
Mormontheman on April 26, 2013 at 8:33 PM
French ideologues still worship our POTUS. I think he is slipping everywhere else.
The Chinese are bedeviled with corrupt government regulation.
Remember the lead paint on Chinese toys? China has a poison issue with domestic milk, that is right, milk.
Getting milk products for your kinder is a problem in Germany and Switzerland. It is a hotter smuggler’s item than drugs!
It has NOT been in our media but the Chinese have real problem with poisoning their own dairy products that dates back five or more years and had about a half dozen deaths in the first year alone. The Chinese don’t trust their own products for their babies.
The Chinese are so loaded with US dollars that they can suck just about anything from the world market and milk is the latest example.
IlikedAUH2O on April 26, 2013 at 8:38 PM
If Germany pulled another 1939 without the genocide and steamrolled most of Europe, I’d be simultaneously laughing myself sick and cheering.
Their rule will beat Muslim colonization any day of the week and seven times on Sunday.
MelonCollie on April 26, 2013 at 8:38 PM
I have heard Merkel called Thatcher II by Euro academics.
IlikedAUH2O on April 26, 2013 at 8:41 PM
No joke? I freaking hope so.
MelonCollie on April 26, 2013 at 8:41 PM
German budget in 2010 – E325.4B
German budget in 2012 – E306.2B
Color me impressed.
Conversely, the Republicans have obviously forced austerity on Obama here in the US.
2010 $3.46T
2012 $3.54T
It seems the left doesn’t know what austerity means…though honestly I wouldn’t call Germany’s small cuts “austere” either.
18-1 on April 26, 2013 at 8:42 PM
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Monday that euro zone members must be prepared to cede control over certain policy domains to European institutions if the bloc is truly to overcome its debt crisis and win back foreign investors. Read the rest of the article here.
EnglishRogue on April 26, 2013 at 8:43 PM
*jawdrop*
Ohhhh yeah.
MelonCollie on April 26, 2013 at 8:45 PM
France & Co. has run out of other people’s, Germany’s, money and they don’t like it, not one little bit!
RJL on April 26, 2013 at 8:46 PM
Some how i don’t think it will fly with the average German voter but who is the alternative in this? Der Linke? Ha!
EnglishRogue on April 26, 2013 at 8:56 PM
Seeing Euro-socialists quarrel with each other is almost as entertaining as watching jihadists kill each other off in Syria.
paulsur on April 26, 2013 at 9:01 PM
Release the Panzerwaffen……………
dmann on April 26, 2013 at 9:07 PM
IF they go full-bore kicka$$ mode and IF they repeal some of the more odious social policies…I might just consider joining them.
Germany isn’t bankrupt, isn’t overrun by 10s of millions of Turd-Worlders, and might just have some fight left in her.
MelonCollie on April 26, 2013 at 9:09 PM
http://notmytribe.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/steve-bell-cartoon-004.jpg
Seth Halpern on April 26, 2013 at 9:10 PM
403 “Forbidden” error.
MelonCollie on April 26, 2013 at 9:12 PM
NVM, it’s working now.
MelonCollie on April 26, 2013 at 9:13 PM
Brayam approved.
Heh. Life’s tough in these United States.
CW on April 26, 2013 at 9:17 PM
Actually, in Spain, Iceland, Ireland and the UK it was the banks, not the social spending (in Greece, it was the spending). Italy’s budget was in good shape before the crisis as well. And, of course, Germany and the Scandinavian countries support a fairly high-end social welfare state and yet have strong economies and reasonable budgets.
Conservatives see things that simply don’t exist.
urban elitist on April 26, 2013 at 9:18 PM
So they considerably slowed their spending when the revenue wasn’t there?
CW on April 26, 2013 at 9:21 PM
That’s because your boy-king’s fine ‘clothes’ are as nonexistent as your IQ.
MelonCollie on April 26, 2013 at 9:22 PM
Urban, also you guys are like magic:
But you love it as the unemployment is essentially stagnate and the GDP Growth is treading water. You win!!
CW on April 26, 2013 at 9:24 PM
Verboten is aufregend!
Seth Halpern on April 26, 2013 at 9:25 PM
ist
Seth Halpern on April 26, 2013 at 9:27 PM
Maybe Francois Hollande can pretend he is Napoleon III…show those Germans a lesson or two. That little episode for France started out as a way to “humiliate” those Germans…
Berlin could use a good laugh right about now.
coldwarrior on April 26, 2013 at 9:27 PM
But my 401k looks bigger….
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CW on April 26, 2013 at 9:27 PM
And that is the sad truth.
jimver on April 26, 2013 at 9:32 PM
We have to put in somewhere given that this ride is going to come up short. I’m still stunned that we can not agree that ENGLISH is the national language of the United States……
auf Wiedersehen
dmann on April 26, 2013 at 9:33 PM
This is just socialist infighting. Merkel and Cameron make Chris Christie and Jeb Bush look like friggin Founding Fathers.
Valkyriepundit on April 26, 2013 at 9:33 PM
That chart doesn’t prove anything. It’s a joke.
And I have a good deal of money in the market (compared to most people, apparently) anyway. So if the Fed is helping my bottom line, who am I to complain?
urban elitist on April 26, 2013 at 9:35 PM
Least you forget that all politics are local…………..
dmann on April 26, 2013 at 9:39 PM
Suggestion. If the French and Germans go at it again, let the U.S. STAY THE HELL OUT OF IT!
GarandFan on April 26, 2013 at 9:43 PM
How much gas can you buy with the money you have in the market now as opposed to before the meltdown?
The market is up in dollars because dollars are worth much less.
talkingpoints on April 26, 2013 at 9:44 PM
I repeat; if neither side has the objective to wipe out a race/religious group, let the chips fall where they may.
Three bailouts is ENOUGH.
MelonCollie on April 26, 2013 at 9:45 PM
That really is the unmistakable conclusion, isn’t it?
Midas on April 26, 2013 at 9:50 PM
Liberalism can be rightfully classed with other mental disorders resulting in the “likelihood to cause harm to self and others” as the medical people put it.
MelonCollie on April 26, 2013 at 10:05 PM
This is funny to everyone who saw this coming years ago. As we see liberalism fail on a grand scale around the world I don’t think it will be long before even the sheep in this country figure it out when their Obama bucks disapear.
Ellis on April 26, 2013 at 10:06 PM
Cheese eating sacks of merde.
Mason on April 26, 2013 at 10:09 PM
Hollande to Merkel: Donnez-nous vos sous! (Give us your money!)
Merkel: Nein!!!
Steve Z on April 26, 2013 at 10:18 PM
We used to have an alignment between the national and the Executive’s political interests. Sigh.
wolfsDad on April 26, 2013 at 10:44 PM
Some 30 or 40 years ago now, the re-written versions of this fable started showing up in kids’ books. The “grasshoppers” (sometimes the actors were mice, or bulls, or other animals) were presented as musicians or artists who should be exempt from icky manual labor because they could provide joy and good cheer during the hard winter, and the “ants”, after converting from their hard-hearted miserliness, were depicted as their grateful audiences.
Cute stuff, and could even be used to show that one should appreciate the law of comparative advantage in the economic value of different talents, so long as the exchange of food-surplus for entertainment was voluntary.
(Never-mind that the original story was intended to teach the lessons “work before play if you want to survive” and “failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part”.)
In fact, the real-world analog has been a forced exchange of goods (via taxes) for benefits selected by the exchangers, not the producers.
I had a sick feeling, back then, that we were starting down the slope.
AesopFan on April 27, 2013 at 12:23 AM
you know why France planted oak trees on the main road … they knew
Germans like to march in the shade ….
conservative tarheel on April 27, 2013 at 8:13 AM
Socialists don’t like or understand Capitalism — how the free market and competition (they hate that, too) decides winners and losers. They want a point system to replace currency, where Big Government decides winners and losers, not individuals (oh, but don’t you know, everyone will be a winner with Big Government! Then we can all live in villas on Lake Como!). That oughta work out well (we’ll get it right this time; we’re the ones we’ve been waiting for!).
RobertMN on April 27, 2013 at 8:20 AM
Would make for interesting discussions at NATO HQ.
Barnestormer on April 27, 2013 at 8:28 AM
Are you familiar with the concept of a bubble?
Odysseus on April 27, 2013 at 8:35 AM
France is getting close to joining Spain and Greece…
albill on April 27, 2013 at 9:18 AM
Qualifying Statement: I’m Irish and Portuguese
(Boston and Fall River……Could it be worse?
So how did the Germans ever get the idea that all of the people from the warmer climates, who could never duplicate their work ethic, should have billions of Marks (remember those?) and then Euros lent them? And 13 years ago when Dublin said (paraphrasing here) “We’re really more Boston than Bonn,” why didn’t the Germans retreat from this mess?
The answer is the destructive path of Diversity Worship, and it will destroy the West if we do not pull back.
Shaughnessy on April 27, 2013 at 11:19 AM
When German Chancellor Angela Merkel offered no response, French President Francois Hollande added, “Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!”
Knott Buyinit on April 27, 2013 at 11:19 AM
Aren’t you the one who keeps saying that we see things that aren’t there with Socialism? You wouldn’t want to discuss the obvious uniqueness of the Nordic countrys’ demographics, population density, energy independence, high percentage of hydroelectric power, far fewer and smaller cities and sparsely populated rural interior, very high taxation, etc…etc…etc?
Yet, even they are having sustainability problems…hmmmmm. See: The Danish.
Evidently, not.
98ZJUSMC on April 27, 2013 at 11:20 AM
Dream on
F-
but you knew that…
NapaConservative on April 27, 2013 at 11:25 AM
Trying to explain basic economics to a liberal reminds me of something Mark Twain once said:
“Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.”
Which, calling Urban Idiot a pig, is an insult to pigs. Sorry, pigs.
psrch on April 27, 2013 at 12:43 PM
And if the tables were turned and it was YOUR citizens and nations currency being demanded to prop up Germany and a whole slew of other countries you’d be playing the selfish, self concerned, French a**hole act.
You can’t demand another nation bail you out with their own money you had nothing to do with making.
Absolutely deluded. Someone needs a swift kick in the nuts.
Genuine on April 27, 2013 at 2:29 PM
In other news, dad won’t buy me a new Convertible… he’s a meanie.
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What? This isn’t a comparable assessment?
One side is seeing the world through adult eyes where money borrowed and spent eventually has to be paid back by someone; and the other side wants money forever with no strings or limitations hoping the problem will simply go away with magic.. right?
I think the response is clear… Grow the hell up.
gekkobear on April 28, 2013 at 1:23 AM