James Carville’s polling firm to Obama: Nobody believes that the economy’s recovering anymore

posted at 4:46 pm on June 12, 2012 by Allahpundit

Tough stuff from Team Serpenthead. What’s a president to do when he can’t run on the idea that America’s better off now than it was four years ago? Simple. Run on the idea that America will be better off four years from now if it gives him another term. 2008: The future is now. 2012: No, wait, we mean the future is now.

Hope and change — they’re always a day away.

What is clear from this fresh look at public consciousness on the economy is how difficult this period has been for both non-college-educated and college-educated voters – and how vulnerable the prevailing narratives articulated by national Democratic leaders are. We will face an impossible headwind in November if we do not move to a new narrative, one that contextualizes the recovery but, more importantly, focuses on what we will do to make a better future for the middle class.

It is elites who are creating a conventional wisdom that an incumbent president must run on his economic performance – and therefore must convince voters that things are moving in the right direction. They are wrong, and that will fail. The voters are very sophisticated about the character of the economy; they know who is mainly responsible for what went wrong and they are hungry to hear the President talk about the future. They know we are in a new normal where life is a struggle – and convincing them that things are good enough for those who have found jobs is a fool’s errand. They want to know the plans for making things better in a serious way – not just focused on finishing up the work of the recovery…

These voters are not convinced that we are headed in the right direction. They are living in a new economy – and there is no conceivable recovery in the year ahead that will change the view of the new state of the country. They actually have a very realistic view of the long road back and the struggles of the middle class — and the current narrative about progress just misses the opportunity to connect and point forward.

Do voters really “want to know the plans for making things better in a serious way”? I thought the whole point of our national non-debate over entitlement reform is that voters don’t want to know the plans, and when someone like Paul Ryan tries to interject with a solution, Obama and the Democratic brain trust demagogue him to within an inch of his life in hopes of gaining a cynical advantage in November. Even Carville’s dumb memo notes with glee how Romney “is vulnerable on the Ryan budget.” In fact, given the results in Wisconsin and the 50 car pile-up that is the eurozone, I’m thinking that Democrats talking about the future is possibly the worst thing they could do right now. What future? The future where the blue social model suddenly becomes magically sustainable, despite all domestic and international evidence to the contrary? As Ross Douthat said after Walker’s victory:

The House Republicans have spent the past two years taking tough votes on entitlement reform, preparing themselves for an ambitious offensive should 2012 deliver the opportunity to cast those same votes and have them count. The Senate Democrats, on the other hand, have failed to even pass a budget: There is no Democratic equivalent of Paul Ryan’s fiscal blueprint, no Democratic plan to swallow hard and raise middle class taxes the way Republicans look poised to swallow hard and overhaul Medicare. Indeed, there’s no liberal agenda to speak of at the moment, beyond a resounding “No!” to whatever conservatism intends to do.

Go figure that when Carville’s firm asked its focus groups who’d do a better job on the economy, they said Romney. And go figure that the big speech on the economy that O has scheduled for Thursday is “not expected to introduce any new policy positions or prescriptions.” We had to pass ObamaCare first to find out what’s in it and, I guess, we need to reelect Obama first to find out what he has in mind for a second term. Things can only get better. Right?


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libfree you need a treat and a pat on the head?

CW on June 12, 2012 at 5:54 PM

They know we are in a new normal where life is a struggle –

Of all the completely inane, platitudinous bullshit the left spews, that the media and other real stupid people eat up…this one has always bothered me most, “The New Normal”.

This one just screams, “Hey! We’re WAAAYY too stupid and lazy to actually FIX THINGS, but let us drive for a while, and at least we’ll make you *feel* better about how bad everything SUCKS!”

What kinda sorry-assed excuse for mediocrity have we allowed here?
What a lame, pussified excuse to not even try anymore…God DAMN I hate the left some days!

a5minmajor on June 12, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Obama: “Spoons!”

faraway on June 12, 2012 at 5:58 PM

From now on, I hereby decree that any ‘REAL AMERICAN’ upon hearing the term ‘New Normal’, is fully authorized to bitch-slap anyone using said jag-off term.

*This decree and accompanying authorization are not legally binding, and in most states, ‘bitch-slapping’ is still considered assault, and will more than probably get you arrested. Follow this new decree at your own risk…unless I can get the Feds to buy off on making this law…which will never happen in my wildest, jingoistic dreams.

a5minmajor on June 12, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Obama’s made it pretty clear that he’s helpless against economic headwinds. How is voting for him again supposed to change that? It won’t, of course. You’re just re-electing a President who can only re-state the obvious without being able to do anything about it. His buddy Bill Ayres could have told him, what Carville has discovered that voters seem to know: you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

de rigueur on June 12, 2012 at 6:05 PM

So Lib, “nothing for the future”, eh?

So I guess we better judge both candidates by what they have done in the past maybe?

oops….I’m sure you don’t want to go there either.

Tell me…exactly what is your empty suit promising for the future…more of the same?

LaRepublican on June 12, 2012 at 6:07 PM

This may sound like a dumb question, having gotten to this thread late, but thought there was a recovery in the first place?

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Should read; but who thought there was a recovery in the first place?

Bmore on June 12, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Obama should return to what he does best in a campaign, charting a course for the future. He’s up against a candidate who only wants to do nothing. I don’t think that will push the dial with undecideds.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2012 at 5:54 PM

And that’s your “Living with Delusion” lesson for the day.

LaserBeam on June 12, 2012 at 6:10 PM

A drink for every “I” uttered in speech on Thursday!

BlaxPac on June 12, 2012 at 5:14 PM

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You will have a designated driver, right?

And don’t forget, there is such a thing as “alcohol poisoning”.

listens2glenn on June 12, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Obama’s made it pretty clear that he’s helpless against economic headwinds.

de rigueur on June 12, 2012 at 6:05 PM

FIFY. Sorry, I’m a born editor. :-) Carry on.

LaserBeam on June 12, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Obama should return to what he does best in a campaign, charting a course for the future. He’s up against a candidate who only wants to do nothing. I don’t think that will push the dial with undecideds.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2012 at 5:54 PM

…says the democrats who can’t even put forth a budget and have let countless jobs bills sent to their Senate sit without votes while Obama spends all of his time fund-raising.

Baxter Greene on June 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Obama should return to what he does best in a campaign, charting a course for the future.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Like he did in 2008?

F- (F for Future)

Del Dolemonte on June 12, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Obama should return to what he does best in a campaign, charting a course for the future.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2012 at 5:54 PM

The poor man can’t even read a map… and refuses to stop for directions.

LaserBeam on June 12, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Obama should return to what he does best in a campaign, charting a course for the future. He’s up against a candidate who only wants to do nothing. I don’t think that will push the dial with undecideds.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2012 at 5:54 PM

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Nonsense.
I’m sure Mitt Romney will want to play lots of golf, and go on lots of vacations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . oh, wait . . .

listens2glenn on June 12, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Obama- Back To The Future- Part Two!

If he starts campaigning in a Delorean, watch out!

profitsbeard on June 12, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Greatest line about Carville was Dennis Miller, during Cueball’s meltdown during the Gulf Oil Spill:

“Carville looks like a muppet who accidentally went through the washing machine on HOT.”

Teacher in Tejas on June 12, 2012 at 6:29 PM

From BuzzFeed article, Zeke Miller wrote:

(Pollster Mark Penn – both BillyJeff and Hillary’s inner circle, said)
“I think that the president needs a new economic plan that takes the country into the 21st century global economy, a plan with emphasis on education, infrastructure, innovation, and growing exports. A plan that creates new economy jobs for a country that wants to move forward,”

And how is this new message different from the old Obama faied econ plan for the past three years?

I want to lay bets that Obama is doubling down on “education, infrastructure and innovation (green jobs)”. And (wink) tax the rich, of course.

Sir Napsalot on June 12, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Dire Straits on June 12, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Hey Dire…great to see you.

Baxter Greene on June 12, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Nobody believes that the economy’s recovering anymore

…but that doesn’t stop Obama from lying about it in campaign ads in Ohio. Romney better get ads off the web and on tube if he wants a shot there.

HellCat on June 12, 2012 at 6:42 PM

It is elites who are creating a conventional wisdom that an incumbent president must run on his economic performance – and therefore must convince voters that things are moving in the right direction.

No, in this case, what they referred to here as a conventional wisdom, (in order to be dismissive,) is based on an actual wisdom.

We hired the President, based on promises of performance. We had no track record to look at; (he hadn’t done anything yet.) Now, it’s only fair that we look at our employees’ performance, and critique it. In this case, it’s time to decide if his contract will continue.

Shorter: This is Obamas’ employee review.

massrighty on June 12, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Obama should return to what he does best in a campaign, charting a course for the future. He’s up against a candidate who only wants to do nothing. I don’t think that will push the dial with undecideds.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2012 at 5:54 PM

1. Prove that Romney “only wants to do nothing.”
2. We turn our dials – the thing we push is often your buttons, sparky.

massrighty on June 12, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Obama should return to what he does best in a campaign, charting a course for the future. He’s up against a candidate who only wants to do nothing. I don’t think that will push the dial with undecideds.

libfreeordie on June 12, 2012 at 5:54 PM

That last chart put the ship on the reef dopey. You really are delusional. Not only does he have no real clue, as posted earlier today he plans to keep on keepin’ on with that same old tired schtick no one is buying.

Obama will ignore Carville as a Clintonista. He’s all washed up.

dogsoldier on June 12, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Nobody believes that the economy’s recovering anymore

Because it never was and it won’t be until Obama is out of office.

dogsoldier on June 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Hey Dire…great to see you.

Baxter Greene on June 12, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Good to see you!!..:)

Dire Straits on June 12, 2012 at 7:02 PM

The closest little Bammie has ever come to ‘charting a course for the future’ is planning what club to use on the next hole in his golf game. At that, he needs help from his caddy.

slickwillie2001 on June 12, 2012 at 8:27 PM

FU*

//Obama

Future Unpaid right moonbats?

Harry Reid pass a budget bud

harlekwin15 on June 12, 2012 at 8:28 PM

What exactly do democrats in general and Obama specifically stand for?

Libfree I would appreciate a real answer to that question.

Zomcon JEM on June 12, 2012 at 9:29 PM

FAT LIBERTARIAN’S ECONOMIC PLAN:

END ENTIRE GOVERNMENT DEPTS: (EDU, ENERGY, TRANSPORTATION, HOMELAND SECURITY..)
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME IN AN EFFORT TO CUT SPENDING DRAMATICALLY.
SUSPEND INCOME TAX FOR TWO YEARS, MAYBE MORE.
ELIMINATE CAPITAL GAINS TAX.
ELIMINATE THE FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE TO ENCOURAGE MORE HIRING.
ENCOURAGE OIL DRILLING/EXPLORATION IN U.S.
COMPLETE A FULL AND COMPLETE AUDIT OF THE FED.

This plan reduce federal spending, increase personal income and would spur investments world-wide. The reduction in federal spending must be enough to cover not having that tax revenue so they’d have no choice but to reduce spending. It’d also have the added benefit of getting the people used to having no income tax and they’ll NEVER WANT IT BACK.

Eventually you wanna let young people opt out of social security withholding as well as no income tax so they will keep most of their check. This is the only way to wind down this huge epic state of theft.

fatlibertarianinokc on June 12, 2012 at 9:38 PM

James Carville’s polling firm to Obama: Nobody believes that the economy’s recovering anymore

I.E., What Recovery?

ITguy on June 13, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Here’s a question… With the speculation that the Democrats are like rats abandoning the U.S.S Obama, with Hillary stepping in to save the day, how exactly does the Vice President fit into this? After all, it would be “President Biden” if something happened to Obama at this time, so why would it not be “Candidate Biden” at this late stage of the primary process?

Have fun with that…

moo on June 13, 2012 at 8:05 AM

But, but, it’s all Bush’s fault!!!!!!!!

(palm slap to forehead)

Old Fritz on June 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM

fatlibertarianinokc on June 12, 2012 at 9:38 PM

You write comedy? you just run on that plan skippy, you just do that.

Even Obama could body slam you on that one.

mark81150 on June 13, 2012 at 11:52 AM

WHAT? Things are worse now? I did not know. Thanks for the head’s up.

sdbatboy on June 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM

A narrative is a stoooory. A spin. Mostly lies. Anyway I am sick of these meaningless words. And it’s not only the left that uses them. But mostly the left of course.

Optics, for example?

Give me a break and start using real words.

Enough lies.

Enough “omissions”!!

More truth.

A rare commodity with socialists.

Sherman1864 on June 13, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Barack Hussein Kardashian will keep hitting the links and blame Bush for the economy. Oh wait, technically we were out of recession before his porkulus kicked in, so he put us back in, and worse. Wanna see a killer ad highlighting this!

insidiator on June 14, 2012 at 8:31 AM

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