Jewish support for Obama evaporating?

posted at 10:41 am on June 11, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

This can’t be right.  Barack Obama says he knows more about Judaism than any other President before him, despite all evidence to the contrary.  However, The Hill reports that a recent Gallup survey shows a double-digit erosion in his support among Jewish voters, a potential red flag for his re-election prospects:

President Obama’s support has dropped by double digits among Jewish voters from 2008, but he still earns more than double the support of challenger Mitt Romney among American Jews, according to a new survey from Gallup.

The president is the choice of 64 percent of Jewish registered voters, versus 29 percent for Romney. But that equates to a 10-point drop for Obama among Jewish voters from November 2008, and a six-point pick up for Republicans. And while some of that can be explained by Obama’s slipping numbers across all demographics, the rate at which Jewish voters are defecting from the Obama campaign — and signaling support for Romney — exceeds national averages.

Romney has put considerable pressure on Obama for the Jewish vote:

Romney has made a major play for Jewish voters this cycle, criticizing the president’s stance on Israel and playing up his relationship with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The men have known each other for nearly four decades, when they both worked at a Boston-area consulting firm together.

Still, Obama carries a 35-point lead among Jewish voters who could play an important role in November’s contest. Since April, 83 percent of Jewish voters surveyed by Gallup say they definitely will vote, exceeding the national average of 78 percent among all registered voters.

Some of this could be attributed to Obama’s demonstrations of hostility towards Netanyahu (and perhaps Netanyahu’s responses to them), as well as a perception that Obama favors the Palestinians.  Obama fumbled the American side of the negotiations early in his presidency by inexplicably making housing expansion in Jerusalem a make-or-break issue, a point that the Palestinians hadn’t made.  Once done, though, the Palestinians couldn’t retreat from Obama’s position, and the change has made further negotiations impossible.  Obama then made it worse the next year by demanding a return to pre-1967 lines, a position Israel wants to reserve for direct and serious negotiations rather than a starting point.

The incompetence in which Obama has handled the Israeli-Palestinian conflict might not be the only problem for Obama among Jewish voters.  Many religious leaders in the Jewish community have joined Catholics and other Christians in opposing the HHS mandate for contraception and sterilization, especially in its application to religious schools, charities, and health-care providers.  The Rabbinical Council of America, the largest organization of rabbis in the US, officially resolved itself against the HHS mandate a month ago and has been vocal about its opposition ever since.  That was not entirely done out of ecumenical brotherhood (although that was certainly one of the motivations), but also because the HHS mandate will force Orthodox Jewish organizations to violate their own tenets of faith:

There are many cases in which the HHS regulation would coerce a Jewish employer into violating his conscience. Perhaps the most readily apparent problem from an Orthodox Jewish perspective is the regulation’s requirement that sterilization procedures be offered by employer-provided health insurance plans. (Jewish law usually prohibits sterilization.) The regulation also mandates that employer-provided plans provide their employees with a drug called Ella. Ella can be taken several days after conception and therefore cannot honestly be called a contraceptive, which by definition prevents conception. It is actually an abortifacient, a drug which causes an abortion. While abortion is a complicated topic in Jewish law, it has been generally prohibited by Jewish authorities from the most rational to the most mystical, from Maimonides (Code of Maimonides, Laws of Kings 9:4) to the Kabbalah’s most famous work, the Zohar (Exodus 3b). Even actual contraceptives are only allowed in certain circumstances. Some contraceptive methods are simply prohibited. In these circumstances the regulation would require an Orthodox Jewish employer to break the law, violate his conscience, or shut down his business. The government should not force this choice upon any American.

The regulation intrudes on religious liberties even in situations where the underlying drugs are religiously permitted. The circumstances in which Jewish law allows these drugs are complex and dictated by specific conditions. A mandate that requires an employer to distribute these drugs in every situation, without rabbinic guidance, intrudes on the relationship between rabbi and congregant. The Free Exercise and Establishment clauses of the First Amendment were intended to protect that very relationship from governmental interference. The Orthodox Jewish position involves nuance, and the administration’s refusal to grant religious waivers sends a clear message that nuance in this area is not welcome. Refusal to amend the regulation would send a clear message that these Orthodox beliefs are illegitimate and undeserving of basic constitutional protection.

This looks like a problem for Obama that crosses all lines of faith.  In the latest one-week totals from Gallup’s tracking poll on presidential approval, approval among those who attend religious services on a weekly basis has dropped to 36%, the lowest it has been since January — before the announcement of the HHS mandate.

Obama will still win the Jewish vote, and probably handily.  However, Romney has already narrowed the gap, and if Obama doesn’t change direction on the HHS mandate and/or repair his approach to Israel, he’s not going to get the kind of enthusiasm and activism he needs to overcome his deficits in other demographic categories, or win wide victory he needs to win the overall election.

Update: Jeff Dunetz says this will matter in critical states like Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania — but not nearly as much as the damage Obama has done to his standing among Catholics.


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Oh please FL Jews, do your duty this time around…

OmahaConservative on June 11, 2012 at 10:44 AM

How can anyone vote for Obozo??
This is the most scandal strewn administration ever, and 90% of the crap that has been pulled by them isn’t even being reported.

Nevermind the economic path we’re on because of Obozo and Co., don’t people at least want a President with some accountability???

KMC1 on June 11, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Considering his treatment of Israel in general and Benjamin Netanyahu this really is a no brainer.

hawkdriver on June 11, 2012 at 10:47 AM

It’s hard for liberal Jews to keep pretending that Obama supports any aspect of Israel. In private, he probably supports Israel about as much as his old Chicago neighbors, Farrakhan and Rev. Wright.

RBMN on June 11, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Considering his treatment of Israel in general and Benjamin Netanyahu “specifically”, this really is a no brainer.

hawkdriver on June 11, 2012 at 10:48 AM

I can’t understand why he ever had any Jewish support in the first place.

Bob's Kid on June 11, 2012 at 10:49 AM

I just hope we continue to have all this good news for us that bho is doing so bad with so many groups here in the US! TOO bad the election isn’t tomorrow!
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letget on June 11, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Again, it seems at times as though Obowmao does not want to win a second term?!? What is the other hand doing?

screwauger on June 11, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Considering his treatment of Israel in general and Benjamin Netanyahu “specifically”, this really is a no brainer.

hawkdriver on June 11, 2012 at 10:48 AM

The vast majority of Jews have no real connection to Israel – no family there and they have never visited.

Jews will still break 90/10 in Bark’s favor.

CorporatePiggy on June 11, 2012 at 10:51 AM

All this damage and ineptitude, and Obama’s still leading. And no one seems to find that even a little disconcerting. Come on. Does anyone want to bet that Obama gets less than 75% of the Jewish vote in November? Put your money where your mouths are.

ddrintn on June 11, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Considering his treatment of Israel in general and Benjamin Netanyahu “specifically”, this really is a no brainer. hawkdriver on June 11, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Yup, you would think so…

indyvet on June 11, 2012 at 10:52 AM

If any group has an understanding of religious persecution, I’d say the Jews certainly do.

The 0bama birth control mandate that affects Catholics and their beliefs certainly has to remind Jews of what it was like to be persecuted for their faith.

And coming after Romney and his Mormon faith is another example of religious persecution too.

Yep…religious persecution. Definitely not a way to influence those whose faith is symbolic of religious persecution.

ProfShadow on June 11, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Again, it seems at times as though Obowmao does not want to win a second term?!? What is the other hand doing?

screwauger on June 11, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Working on election fraud?

Planning a communist revolution?

Fapping?

The Rogue Tomato on June 11, 2012 at 10:52 AM

I had posted this once on Little Green Footballs (before Charles Johnson lost his mind and became a rabid lefty) but I’ve never understood how Jewish people can be liberals. Jewish Liberal seems like such an oxymoron to me. The Judeo-Christian ethic is so geared towards a conservative way of thinking that it has always confused me. I’m glad they are realizing that they voted for a snake oil salesman. May it continue into November.

neyney on June 11, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Obama poops on Jews, and Catholics, and he wants black churches to accept gay marriage. And he wonders why his re-election chances are dwindling.

faraway on June 11, 2012 at 10:53 AM

I can’t understand why he ever had any Jewish support in the first place.

Bob’s Kid on June 11, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Liberal first, Jewish second.

Lost in Jersey on June 11, 2012 at 10:53 AM

As a Jew by Choice, I have to say that I’m disappointed that the bleed hasn’t been stronger to this point. I’m really hoping that the Jewish community continues to wake up over the next few months, and realize how hostile Obama is to Judaism in general, and Israel in particular.

Unfortunately, the Reform movement (of which I am a member) is extremely liberal, politically, and is mostly unwilling to see the damage that Obama is doing. On the other hand, Jews are extremely capable in the realm of self-correction. We pride ourselves in our ability to think through issues and find the right solution. I’m counting on this happening with the overdue changes in political allegiance.

I’ve changed my tune significantly since 9/11. And I know many other Jews who have as well. This trend needs to accelerate.

nukemhill on June 11, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Its about time!

melle1228 on June 11, 2012 at 10:53 AM

I can’t understand why he ever had any Jewish support in the first place.

Bob’s Kid on June 11, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Self loathing.

msupertas on June 11, 2012 at 10:54 AM

I can’t understand why he ever had any Jewish support in the first place.

Bob’s Kid on June 11, 2012 at 10:49 AM

FIFM

FLconservative on June 11, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Barack Obama says he knows more about Judaism than any other President before him,

He knows everything that his Indonesian madrassa and Jeremiah Wright taught him …

besser tot als rot on June 11, 2012 at 10:54 AM

CorporatePiggy on June 11, 2012 at 10:51 AM

I’m a cradle conservative Jooo. My ma ain’t voting for Zero, I’m ain’t voting for Zero(Stunner. I know. ///), and if my dad were still alive, HE wouldn’t be voting for Zero either.
Not all Jews are sheep.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 10:54 AM

I’m a cradle conservative Jooo.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 10:54 AM

As you never cease to point out. Good grief.

ddrintn on June 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Obama treating of Israel, and then his cozying up to Russia, not a good formula.

Add to that, no one likes an “outsider” saying they know more about their religion than anyone else. Jews are a proud people, with a history, long history, they don’t need some guy coming along to “help them out” with “understanding” them.

The Jews, since the beginning of time, know how sincere people are when they say “I understand the plight of the Jews”…they know the following sentence, “That’s why we need to separate them and protect them”, seems to always follow someone concern.

If Obama loses just 5 or 10% of a heavy voting block, that is enough to lose the election…and that is what will happen.

right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Barack Obama says he knows more about Judaism than any other President before him

Obama also says he could do the jobs of everyone he hires better than any one of them can, because he’s just so much smarter and better and knows more about every subject than everybody else.

He’s a narcissistic fool.

AZCoyote on June 11, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Oops,we revist Hopeys pandering!!

Obama visits Jerusalem’s Western Wall
JERUSALEM | Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:43am EDT
****************************************

JERUSALEM (Reuters) – U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama made a surprise pre-dawn visit to Jerusalem’s Western Wall on Thursday, at the end of a trip aimed at showing his strong support for Israel.

One worshipper chanted

“Obama, Jerusalem is not for sale”

and “Jerusalem is our land”

as the Illinois senator stood at the wall, a relic of the ancient Jewish temple destroyed during Roman rule nearly 2,000 years ago.

Obama assured Israel and its U.S. Jewish supporters

on Wednesday he was a friend who would not press for concessions in peace talks with Palestinians that would compromise its security.

Hailing Israel as a “miracle”, he vowed staunch support and held only a low-profile meeting with Palestinian leaders in the occupied West Bank.

Last month Obama dismayed Palestinians when he said Jerusalem must be Israel’s “undivided” capital. Israel captured Arab East Jerusalem in 1967, including the Old City where the Western Wall is situated, but Palestinians want it to be the capital of a future state.

Obama later said he had used “poor phrasing”.
=============================================

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/07/24/us-palestinians-israel-obama-wall-idUSL24101321220080724

canopfor on June 11, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Not all Jews are sheep.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Are you a Jew? I didn’t know that, next thing we will all find out Kerry fought in Vietnam…

right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 10:57 AM

That he has any support from the Jews is a mystery to me. He has stabbed them in the back, kicked them in the stomach, and yet they form the most of his advisors. They should be ashamed of themselves. I don’t think they have to be religious (which I don’t think his buddies are), but they should have some empathy for Israel and the all the Jews who were exterminated in the death camps.
Just read your post, neyney, and I absolutely agree!

Bambi on June 11, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Are you a Jew? I didn’t know that, next thing we will all find out Kerry fought in Vietnam…

right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 10:57 AM

ROFL…

ddrintn on June 11, 2012 at 10:58 AM

I sure hope we (as in US voters) have learned something about voting for anyone with a Muslim background. They have been immersed in anti-Judeo-Christian culture.

Voter from WA State on June 11, 2012 at 10:49 AM

That’s a pretty broad brush. I would think that having lived in Indonesia is a more important aspect of the formulation of Obama’s views on Israel than merely the fact he has a Muslim background.

Happy Nomad on June 11, 2012 at 10:58 AM

right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Ooooh. Tough crowd this lovely AM.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 10:58 AM

seems to always follow someone concern.
right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Well that’s a doozy of a sentence…

right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Oy vey

cmsinaz on June 11, 2012 at 10:59 AM

This can’t be right. Barack Obama says he knows more about Judaism than any other President before him

…I knew this when he lit up the Menorah like it was a birthday cake!

KOOLAID2 on June 11, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Can you imagine what would happen to the sites we call sacred (as Christians) if the palestinians took over? Does anyone remember the ancient statues that the (whoever – but arabs) blew up – centuries old, never to be replaced.

Bambi on June 11, 2012 at 11:01 AM

if my dad were still alive, HE wouldn’t be voting for Zero either.
Not all Jews are sheep.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 10:54 AM

I wouldn’t be so quick to discount your dad’s support of Obama. These are Chicago people we’re dealing with and the necro-American vote is a big part of their base.

Happy Nomad on June 11, 2012 at 11:01 AM

right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Ooooh. Tough crowd this lovely AM.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 10:58 AM

LOL…do you have any “I’m Jewish, By The Way” t-shirts?

ddrintn on June 11, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Barack Obama says he knows more about Judaism than any other President before him,

Now THIS was a gaffe. Barky the Dog-Eater meant to say that he knew more about Judaism than any Jew in history. He was then going to go into why Jews are all wrong and why dogs are kosher … but he lost his choo-choo of thought.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2012 at 11:02 AM

As much as I would love to see our Jewish friends wake up and smell the antisemitism, come election day they will still overwhelmingly vote for Obama.

Monkeytoe on June 11, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Sorry, we hear this routine all the time about how this time around Jews won’t reflexively vote for the Democrat and it never pans out. I’ll beleive it when I see it.

eyedoc on June 11, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Happy Nomad on June 11, 2012 at 11:01 AM

My dad’s first vote was for Goldwater. His last was for GWB in 2000.
I think he’d have liked Romney or Perry.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 11:03 AM

right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Ooooh. Tough crowd this lovely AM.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 10:58 AM

No, it’s just that I know very few posters religion/nationality/whatever…but yours, you were born a Jew, and yada, yada, yada…

right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 11:04 AM

בגידה-bgida

Speakup on June 11, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Oy gevalt!

Akzed on June 11, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Sorry, we hear this routine all the time about how this time around Jews won’t reflexively vote for the Democrat and it never pans out. I’ll beleive it when I see it.

eyedoc on June 11, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Yeah, the Dems can count on their reliable constituencies just as the GOPe can count on large numbers of rubes to get out there and vote for whatever squish. Both party structures take advantage and take for granted, with good reason.

ddrintn on June 11, 2012 at 11:05 AM

The problem is that Orthodox Jews are predominatly congregated in blue states (NY, NJ, CT, IL, CA), so while the erosion of support is real, the impact on the election will be miniimal.

Florida and Ohio are key exceptions, where this effect might have an impact. One state not mentioned above is Nevada, which has a sizable Jewish population and where Romney is making a strong push.

The majority of Jews (Orthodox or not) will still vote Democrat (why, deserves an essay unto itself). Enthusiasm, or lack thereof, might be the differentiator.

bigdubs on June 11, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Can you imagine what would happen to the sites we call sacred (as Christians) if the palestinians took over? Does anyone remember the ancient statues that the (whoever – but arabs) blew up – centuries old, never to be replaced.

Bambi on June 11, 2012 at 11:01 AM

It was the Taliban in Afghanistan who blew up the centuries old Buddhist statues in 2000 or 2001. The Taliban are not Arabs, whatever 0bama thinks, but otherwise your point is valid.

MidniteRambler on June 11, 2012 at 11:05 AM

This looks like a problem for Obama that crosses all lines of faith.

All faiths, non-faiths, genders, sexual preferences, races, and any other distinction they can think of to categorize people. Every day it gets harder to ignore the fact that Obama is in over his head.

Go RBNY on June 11, 2012 at 11:05 AM

ddrintn on June 11, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Hadn’t thought about that-but now that you’ve mentioned it…

annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 11:06 AM

The current situation is analogous to New York City in 1993, when David Dinkins still won a majority of the Jewish vote against Rudy Giuliani even after Crown Heights. But he lost enough of it — especially in Queens and Southwest Brooklyn — to give Giuliani the mayoralty.

It’s not that Obama’s going to lose the hardcore liberal Jews — they think Israel under Netanyahu is basically Texas anyway and deserves whatever it’s got coming from the president for voting for Likud over and over again. But if enough Jewish voters in certain states switch over to Romney, Florida’s definitely lost, and central Philadelphia may have to turn out at 125 percent of the 2010 Census numbers in order to offset Obama’s losses in the suburbs and save Pennsylvania for the Democrats.

jon1979 on June 11, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Here comes November

franksalterego on June 11, 2012 at 11:07 AM

ddrintn on June 11, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Hadn’t thought about that-but now that you’ve mentioned it…

annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Might as well. Make it your sig here as well. Save some time. Or get a new username saying something like ImJewishOriginally.

ddrintn on June 11, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Yeah, the Dems can count on their reliable constituencies just as the GOPe can count on large numbers of rubes to get out there and vote for whatever squish. Both party structures take advantage and take for granted, with good reason.
ddrintn on June 11, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Sarah Palin is expecting you to support Orrin Hatch. Mmmmm

MeatHeadinCA on June 11, 2012 at 11:08 AM

right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Just gotta be free(free)….just gotta be me(me)-
Nerd girl in ‘Revenge of the Nerds’.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 11:08 AM

I don’t think Obama has any faith. Sitting in Wright’s church for 20 years was just a charade, a way to get him street cred in Chicago. Who knows, maybe he really wasn’t listening when Wright spouting all his crap – or maybe he just didn’t care.

Ward Cleaver on June 11, 2012 at 11:08 AM

As much as I would love to see our Jewish friends wake up and smell the antisemitism, come election day they will still overwhelmingly vote for Obama.

Monkeytoe on June 11, 2012 at 11:03 AM

eyedoc on June 11, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Of course, but all we need is a few % here, a few % there, and we win.

4-5% of this voting block is huge, add to that the lack of enthusiasm from the black community, than add a few % of Hispanics (probably also 4-5%), and you have a 7-10% swing, without “winning” any of those groups of voters…just peel off a few %.

Mitt understands something that Obama will never understand…market share.

You don’t need to dominate the market, he need to infiltrate the market and take % from each of your target groups.

right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM

The Jews are doing just fine. *obligatory*

hillsoftx on June 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Sarah Palin is expecting you to support Orrin Hatch. Mmmmm

MeatHeadinCA on June 11, 2012 at 11:08 AM

I don’t vote in Utah. So? I couldn’t care less what Sarah Palin expects.

ddrintn on June 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Might as well. Make it your sig here as well. Save some time. Or get a new username saying something like ImJewishOriginally.
ddrintn on June 11, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Ouch.

MeatHeadinCA on June 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM

ddrintn on June 11, 2012 at 11:08 AM

annoyinglittlejewishtwerp.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Update: Jeff Dunetz says this will matter in critical states like Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania — but not nearly as much as the damage Obama has done to his standing among Catholics.

#doinjustfine

ted c on June 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM

MeatHeadinCA on June 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM

I’m laughing-not hurting.
Sorry to disappoint y’all-NOT!

annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM

I don’t vote in Utah. So? I couldn’t care less what Sarah Palin expects.
ddrintn on June 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM

We’ve all come a long way, I see.

MeatHeadinCA on June 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Not all Jews are sheep.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Very true, but Jews are tribal. It’s part of Judaism. While we were the first abstract nation based on ideology (anyone who accepted the Torah could become a Jew) with a passport (circumcision), we still retained some basic tribal aspects, often forced by externalities but there, nonetheless.

It would be interesting to know how the Jewish vote breaks up according to Cohan, Levi, or Israelite – the last remaining sub-tribal aspects of Judaism.

Personally, I have doubts as to the accuracy of these polls and how any of these surveys determine that someone is a Jew. Clearly it’s just self-identification, but when you do that lefties are always untrustworthy and righties tend to skip the polling alltogether.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM

I had the hots for a Jewish girl I met when I was working at a resort in Nevada.
She had reddish brown hair and a great figure.
I think we had compatibility issues as far as…

Wait…what was the question?

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on June 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM

I don’t vote in Utah. So? I couldn’t care less what Sarah Palin expects.
ddrintn on June 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM

We’ve all come a long way, I see.

MeatHeadinCA on June 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM

True, and maybe someday you’ll realize that not every Palin supporter hangs on her every friggin’ word. THEN we’ll be getting somewhere finally.

ddrintn on June 11, 2012 at 11:12 AM

MeatHeadinCA on June 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM
I’m laughing-not hurting.
Sorry to disappoint y’all-NOT!
annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Oh, I was picking. Didn’t plan on whipping you up into a profanity laced diatribe.

MeatHeadinCA on June 11, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Jew’s don’t have a Chinaman’s chance of getting a fair shake under the Obama “administration”.

NoDonkey on June 11, 2012 at 11:14 AM

The problem is that Orthodox Jews are predominatly congregated in blue states (NY, NJ, CT, IL, CA), so while the erosion of support is real, the impact on the election will be miniimal.

There are only about 6 million Jews in America. The Jewish vote has no real consequence in any national election. The only time the Jewish vote made a significant difference was with the 2000 vote when Jewish seniors in Palm Beach screwed up with the butterfly ballot and, thank G-d, gave the election to Bush. But that was a purely chaotic event (down to the specifics of the “butterfly flapping its wings in Palm Beach) and had nothing to do with numbers of votes, in the large.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Personally, I have doubts as to the accuracy of these polls and how any of these surveys determine that someone is a Jew.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Why didn’t you know? All the people with money…all the people who control the banks secretly…you can tell because they are “conniving, money hungry jooooossss”.

Anyway that is how the black leadership, college campuses, the democrat strongholds view them.

right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 11:15 AM

A lot of the most hard-core dem jewish vote is in New York, and no one expects Romney to win that state under any circumstance. But I agree that in Florida it could be crucial.

Tom Servo on June 11, 2012 at 11:15 AM

It’s an enduring GOP myth that the Jewish vote will come to their senses and vote GOP for over 30 years. Trying to please a block of voters that is against you by 35 points is a fools errand. Blacks and Jews will vote overwhelmingly for Obama. Why Romney would spend scarce campaigne dollars wooing them is a mystery.

richardb on June 11, 2012 at 11:15 AM

I wonder what an endorsement from Bibi would do for Mitt and against barack?

DuctTapeMyBrain on June 11, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Can you imagine what would happen to the sites we call sacred (as Christians) if the palestinians took over? Does anyone remember the ancient statues that the (whoever – but arabs) blew up – centuries old, never to be replaced.

Bambi on June 11, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Remember when those terrorists took over the Church of the Nativity? They trashed the place. shudder…

neyney on June 11, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Can you imagine what would happen to the sites we call sacred (as Christians) if the palestinians took over? Does anyone remember the ancient statues that the (whoever – but arabs) blew up – centuries old, never to be replaced.

Bambi on June 11, 2012 at 11:01 AM

No need to imagine. The Waqf runs bulldozers through the Temple Mount every chance they get, and they throw away any artifacts they find.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2012 at 11:17 AM

It’s not that Obama’s going to lose the hardcore liberal Jews — they think Israel under Netanyahu is basically Texas anyway and deserves whatever it’s got coming from the president for voting for Likud over and over again.

Awesome! Texas is like Israel under kick-a Netanyahu. I KNEW we were doing something right here in my Lone Star State!

neyney on June 11, 2012 at 11:20 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2012 at 11:15 AM

There is more to the Jew support than vote…they are very influential, activists, and monetarily supportive.

right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Jewish Liberal seems like such an oxymoron to me. The Judeo-Christian ethic is so geared towards a conservative way of thinking that it has always confused me. I’m glad they are realizing that they voted for a snake oil salesman. May it continue into November.

neyney on June 11, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Jewish liberalism is a natural byproduct of decay of the patriarchal Jewish community of the past, similarly to the LGBT being a natural byproduct of decay of the Christian family. Both are a fertile ground for shrinks and leftist politicians.

Archivarix on June 11, 2012 at 11:22 AM

American Jews fear fundamentalist Christians more than anything. Their support for Republicans has plummeted ever since Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell became prominent figures in the GOP. The fact that Romney is a Mormon should be very helpful to him in winning Jewish votes, but he will have to demonstrate that the “fundies” do not hold sway over him. He needs to reinforce this with his VP pick and some of his advisors. If he is really friends with Netanyahu, that willbe helpful but not dispositive, as Netanyahu is a polarizing figure within the American Jewish community.

Jews also have a very strong sense of social justice, which is why they are liberal. Unlike other liberals, they tend to give a lot of personal money and time to charity, but also believe government aid to the poor is a very important measure of the morality of the nation. In this way they are among the most principled liberals.

rockmom on June 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Let’s see: obama is a flaming anti-Semite and a sworn enemy of Israel, and he only loses 10% of the Jewish vote from 2008? This is a shocking tragedy.

Pork-Chop on June 11, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Jews make up 2.2% of the American population.

Assume that 3/4 of those are of voting age, and you’re down to 1.65% of the population.

If Obama got 74% of those people in 2008, then that constituted 1.2% of the total American vote.

If the 10-point drop from 2008 holds, that means the Jewish Obama vote will drop from 1.2% to 1.056%.

That’s a whopping 0.14% – or fourteen one-hundredths of one percent – shift in terms of the total vote.

If I’ve done my math right, it’s hard to see how this is a game-changer, even if every single bit of it is concentrated in places like FL, OH and PA.

greggriffith on June 11, 2012 at 11:27 AM

There is more to the Jew support than vote…they are very influential, activists, and monetarily supportive.

right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 11:20 AM

True, but I was just addressing the voting aspect. At the highest levels, Jews are very active on both sides. For every Krugman (who is famous and somewhat influential, though incompetent and nincompoopish) there is a Friedman (who is less famous though more influential and exceedingly competent). Okay, there’s one Friedman for every three Krugmans … but one Friedman is worth five Krugmans, so it’s all good. The big skew comes in media, but in that Jews skew left no more than any other group in those fields. In money terms, Jews still contribute more to the left (probably around the percentages in the polling) but they are also present on the right and getting larger.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2012 at 11:27 AM

I wonder what an endorsement from Bibi would do for Mitt and against barack?

DuctTapeMyBrain on June 11, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Endoresements from foreign leaders are not exactly a great thing when you’re trying to convince voters that you’re up to the challenge of leading the nation’s foreign affairs.

Happy Nomad on June 11, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Twerp: I like to tell my Jewish friends that I am 1/4 Jew – they still act annoyed and say no-one can be 1/4 Jew. You’re either Jew or not.

The obvious comeback to that is, well I guess Hitler didn’t get the memo…

CorporatePiggy on June 11, 2012 at 11:31 AM

American Jews fear fundamentalist Christians more than anything.

rockmom on June 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM

I will assume you are still under the influence from the weekend…good grief, how embarrassing…”fear” oooooohhhhhh!!!

Jewish support was around 33% for McCain, a pretty high number for a Republican. I think Falwell and Robertson were still around.

It has nothing to do with “fear of Christians”, it has to do with public policy, long time democrat support, and the close community that the Jews have with each other.

Having a Jew vote Republican is like having a Mormon vote for Obama instead of Mitt…

right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Endoresements from foreign leaders are not exactly a great thing when you’re trying to convince voters that you’re up to the challenge of leading the nation’s foreign affairs.

Happy Nomad on June 11, 2012 at 11:28 AM

I agree with you and don’t like foreign leaders sticking their noses in our elections, at all. That is infuriating (and Bibi knows this full well).

That said, Bibi went to Cheltenham High School, outside of Philly. He’s more American, culturally, than the Indonesian Imbecile. He speaks better English than Barky, too. It’s true.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2012 at 11:34 AM

All this damage and ineptitude, and Obama’s still leading. And no one seems to find that even a little disconcerting. Come on. Does anyone want to bet that Obama gets less than 75% of the Jewish vote in November? Put your money where your mouths are.

ddrintn on June 11, 2012 at 10:51 AM

What do you care? Obama and ROmney are the same according to you right??

LevinFan on June 11, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Jews still contribute more to the left (probably around the percentages in the polling) but they are also present on the right and getting larger.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Agreed…in this election, Obama needs every single vote, the momentum is not there…and the perceived shifting of groups not supporting him may be worth even more than the actual vote.

Mitt will capture some of that shifting…maybe not the votes because Jews don’t just change voting from dems to Republicans….but some money will flow to Mitt, or more importantly, not flow to Obama.

And that is where Obama will get hurt, the drying up of investor/business money. Jews won’t throw good money down the drain.

right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 11:36 AM

To paraphrase Daniel Carver from the Howard Stern show (Grand Wizard of the Klan), “Wake up, Jewish people!

UltimateBob on June 11, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Happy Nomad on June 11, 2012 at 11:01 AM

My dad’s first vote was for Goldwater. His last was for GWB in 2000.
I think he’d have liked Romney or Perry.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Heya ALT. First off, I’m on your side, don’t let them get to you. But Happy Nomad’s comment referenced above was suggesting that your dearly departed father might be voting from the grave for Obama if the Dems have anything to say about it. Hence the phrase “necro-vote”.

Freelancer on June 11, 2012 at 11:38 AM

That said, Bibi went to Cheltenham High School, outside of Philly. He’s more American, culturally, than the Indonesian Imbecile. He speaks better English than Barky, too. It’s true.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Ha ha ha…. It is true!

UltimateBob on June 11, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Endoresements from foreign leaders are not exactly a great thing when you’re trying to convince voters that you’re up to the challenge of leading the nation’s foreign affairs.

Happy Nomad on June 11, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Not in this case…Israel is important to Jews, it is also important to Christians, and the past few years the Jews are beginning to accept that fact.

How a leader that is respected views our leaders is important…Israel like Mitt, and Putin doesn’t…Israel doesn’t like Obama, and Putin does…which has more influence?

right2bright on June 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Philly. He’s more American, culturally, than the Indonesian Imbecile. He speaks better English than Barky, too. It’s true.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2012 at 11:34 AM

He also has a somewhat more impressive resume (ahem!) and a far higher IQ…

CorporatePiggy on June 11, 2012 at 11:43 AM

It’s not that Obama’s going to lose the hardcore liberal Jews — they think Israel under Netanyahu is basically Texas anyway and deserves whatever it’s got coming from the president for voting for Likud over and over again.

jon1979 on June 11, 2012 at 11:06 AM

This.

Also, it is naive to believe that Jews are a one-issue group and that what happens in Israel is more important to them than everything else put together. There are other factors to consider, such as what happens in this country, for example.

Jews have been concerned about “social justice” for some 3000 years, at least dating back to the prophets. Of the two parties, Democrats address this concern more squarely. Capitalism, particularly of the Protestant variety, is almost the exact opposite, emphasizing the individual over the group.

Burke on June 11, 2012 at 11:47 AM

These “Jewish Vote” articles/threads have no bearing on the General Election and serve no purpose, but to use this group as scapegoats and the brunt of jokes. We should have multiple articles and threads concerning the Christian Vote and how to stop them for putting Obama over the top this time as they did in 2008.

papabrody on June 11, 2012 at 11:47 AM

I am probably the only one in my entire family who ever voted for any Republican presidential candidate (except for my father who once told me he’d voted for Willkie). A lot of this sort of thing has to do with the East European versus German Jewish divide. The German Jews who immigrated after 1848 not only came from a part of Europe then experiencing modernization, they acculturated here during the Gilded Age; the much more numerous Poles, Galicians, Litvaks and other primarily shtetl Jews did so in the high progresssive/social revølutionary era. Incidentally, my mother’s father was born in Germany — and probably not coincidentally was the only one in the family of that (pre-WWI) generation of Halperns and Maislers who actually became an entrepreneur of sorts as opposed to a tradesman, teacher or civil servant. But according to my mother, her Litvak mother warned her never to make the mistake she’d made of marrying a German!

Seth Halpern on June 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Jews make up 2.2% of the American population.

Assume that 3/4 of those are of voting age, and you’re down to 1.65% of the population.

If Obama got 74% of those people in 2008, then that constituted 1.2% of the total American vote.

If the 10-point drop from 2008 holds, that means the Jewish Obama vote will drop from 1.2% to 1.056%.

That’s a whopping 0.14% – or fourteen one-hundredths of one percent – shift in terms of the total vote.

If I’ve done my math right, it’s hard to see how this is a game-changer, even if every single bit of it is concentrated in places like FL, OH and PA.

greggriffith on June 11, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Sigh…

Its not the size that matters. Ever hear of Bill Maher? Leibowitz? George Soros? Hollywood? New York City? Los Angeles? Chicago? Maher and Leibowitz (aka Stewart) by talking to zillions of morons on TV. Soros by supporting all the liberal web outlets, liberal ideas, etc. via huge money trains. NYC and LA by keeping liberals in offices and thus keeping 2 huge electoral blocks on the liberal side each and every election. Hollywood making liberal propaganda movies, etc, etc, etc. And of course, huge money infusions to liberal political causes and campaigns. Sarah Jessica Parker upcoming one. And Streisand hasn’t had hers yet, there will be many others between now and General.

You know why Hillary was a Senator? Hassidic Jews in NY (most are not fans of Israel, of course).

riddick on June 11, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Freelancer on June 11, 2012 at 11:38 AM

I can’t believe I missed that. LoL
I’ll tell ask Ma to keep an eye on Dad’s urn on election day. *grin*

annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2012 at 11:52 AM

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