Video: Axelrod dodges CNN question on “private sector doing fine” … three times; Update: “Fine?”

posted at 10:16 am on June 10, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

It’s going to be a long day for Team Obama. David Axelrod appeared on CNN’s State of the Union a few minutes ago to attempt to spin the disastrous press conference on Friday, and Candy Crowley asked him directly no less than three times if he agreed with President Obama that “the private sector is doing fine.” Axelrod refuses to give a direct answer on all three occasions, the first two of which are captured in this clip from the GOP:

Axelrod tried to turn the question around to the same point Obama wanted to make, which was that the big problem in the economy is in the public sector, where 500,000 jobs have been lost.  The Wall Street Journal addressed that point on Friday evening:

It’s true that government spending is part of GDP, and spending more can boost reported GDP for a time. But the lesson of the stimulus—which spent hundreds of billions of dollars in aid to the states—is that this boost is temporary and fades when the spending ends.

Mr. Obama also misdiagnoses state and local government layoffs. They aren’t the result of falling state and local revenues, which have increased by 6% over the last two years, according to the Census Bureau. The problem is that the cost of worker benefits is growing faster than revenues. Governments are having to lay off workers to pay for their rising pension and health bills. …

The fair if depressing takeaway from Mr. Obama’s press conference is that he continues to believe, despite three and a half years of failure, that more government spending is the key to faster growth and that government really doesn’t need to reform. This is how you get a jobless rate above 8% for 40 months and the weakest economic recovery in 60 years.

It’s also how one comes away thinking that “the private sector is doing fine” when its only adding jobs at an 86,300-per-month pace over the recovery, with its latest report a +69,000, numbers well under the 125K-150K pace needed to keep up with population growth.

Update: Team Romney hit Obama with a new web ad today on this same point, titled “Fine?”

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine. Where we’re seeing weaknesses in our economy have to do with state and local government.”

·         PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine. Where we’re seeing weaknesses in our economy have to do with state and local government.”(President Barack Obama, Press Conference, Washington, DC, 6/8/12)

WOMAN: “We’ve seen layoffs, cutbacks.”
MAN: “When it’s all said and done I’m making $200 a month.”
WOMAN: “I’ve been looking for a job for two years haven’t found any.”
MAN: “I had to file my own personal bankruptcy and had to close my business.”
WOMAN: “Here I am. No healthcare and a slashed pension.”

WOMAN: “I just lost my job recently.”

WOMAN: “I have to work part-time in order to make ends meet.”
MAN: “Sometimes I feel like I’m a failure.”
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine.” (President Barack Obama, Press Conference, Washington, DC, 6/8/12)

·         PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine.” (President Barack Obama, Press Conference, Washington, DC, 6/8/12)

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine.” (President Barack Obama, Press Conference, Washington, DC, 6/8/12)

·         PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine.” (President Barack Obama, Press Conference, Washington, DC, 6/8/12)

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine.” (President Barack Obama, Press Conference, Washington, DC, 6/8/12)

James Carville once said, “They can’t punch back if you keep your fist in their face.”  Looks like the Romney campaign learned that lesson well.  Note too that this could easily be worked into a 30- or 60-second TV spot … and probably will.


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That’s an Obama quote. Seriously.

“Why can’t I just eat my waffle?”

Whhaaaaaaaa! Whhaaaaaaaa! Whhaaaaaaaa!

Resist We Much on June 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Yep, it’s from the 2008 primary.

TarheelBen on June 10, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Since the Public Sector cannot, by definition, create wealth, it is always a net negative on an economy.

OldEnglish on June 10, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Exactly. Government has always been and always will be a wealth destroyer, not a wealth creator.

ButterflyDragon on June 10, 2012 at 10:53 AM

According to leftist economics wealth is neither created nor destroyed, but is a static quantity that is made to flow from one place to another.
That’s why they don’t understand that government spending is wealth destruction and they think that profits take money from the lower economic classes. To them, government is not only the source of rights, it is also the source of wealth and prosperity.

single stack on June 10, 2012 at 11:40 AM

I was a kid when Reagan was around, but if I remember correctly didn’t the left and the media (I repeat myself) try to spin the economic recovery..

Media….have you no shame?

Meat Fighter on June 10, 2012 at 10:29 AM

..to fill you in (and it is a glorious memory for us old codgers) that the media in those days was EVERYTHING. There was no interweb thingamajig and the conservative media voice was a tiny one back then. We were all more of less isolated and disconnected. But we all privately seethed at the ineptitude of Jimmy Carter.

Carter’s tipping point was his “Malaise Speech” and what sealed the deal was Reagan’s “..well, there you go again” in the debates. It galvanized all of us We all came off our couches and the blowout of ’80 occurred.

This gaffe WILL STICK and it will be driven home by Romney and his team many times — and in the debate.

The War Planner on June 10, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Government jobs that are lost is the answer to economic freedom. A bureaucrat anoynomously creating regs, or an aide to a Czar’s shadow government will not be missed, no matter how many times the left tries to convert them into firemen.

Don L on June 10, 2012 at 11:46 AM

After watching the Sunday morning lib anchors stumbling all over themselves trying their best to prop up what is a failed presidency, I’m having a Hitchcock moment.

I can sense what’s coming and I couldn’t be more thrilled.

fogw on June 10, 2012 at 11:34 AM

These lapdogs give me a Maalox moment. I agree with you; I think a change is coming. Don’t screw it up, Mitt.

Philly on June 10, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Took me six years to hate Clinton. Took 2 1/2 for this POS.

Lanceman on June 10, 2012 at 11:21 AM

What took you so long?

I pegged both of them before they had even been nominated.

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Since the Public Sector cannot, by definition, create wealth, it is always a net negative on an economy.

OldEnglish on June 10, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Exactly. Government has always been and always will be a wealth destroyer, not a wealth creator.

ButterflyDragon on June 10, 2012 at 10:53 AM

According to leftist economics wealth is neither created nor destroyed, but is a static quantity that is made to flow from one place to another.

That’s why they don’t understand that government spending is wealth destruction and they think that profits take money from the lower economic classes. To them, government is not only the source of rights, it is also the source of wealth and prosperity.

single stack on June 10, 2012 at 11:40 AM

“You Idiots don’t know what you’re talking about!”

~ Paul “call me bayam” Krugman

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Yes, but what about Seamus surfing on the roof of that SUV?

CorporatePiggy on June 10, 2012 at 10:40 AM

If I ever have another male dog, I’m naming him Seamus.

stvnscott on June 10, 2012 at 11:51 AM

“Why can’t I just eat my waffle?”

Resist We Much on June 10, 2012 at 11:08 AM

..another historical footnote, RWM. Apparently the SCOAMF did not get to finish his waffle and the unfinished plate was auctioned off on eBay. I remember seeing that but do not remember the amount. If you are in the mood to Google it, go ahead. I am not inclined to look at the picture of a 4-year-old plate of dessicated food — especially since it’s breakfast time out here on the Coast.

The War Planner on June 10, 2012 at 11:55 AM

A tad over 2% (2.08) of the un/under employed had state and local government jobs and this constitutes a crisis. While 97.92% of the un/under employed are from the private sector and the private sector is doing fine.

Liberal Theme song: Math is hard, science is harder and research is hardest of all.

chemman on June 10, 2012 at 11:56 AM

and in the debate.

The War Planner on June 10, 2012 at 11:43 AM

If the “one we were waiting for” continues to stumble I wouldn’t count on a debate(s) happening.

chemman on June 10, 2012 at 11:59 AM

OMG, Axelrod says we have storm clouds coming in from Europe. Would that be in addition to the strong headwinds that are killing off the green shoots.

Well you see, we’ve got the green shoots sprouting up, but then the headwinds from Europe are blowing in the stormclouds, which cause lighting to strike some swamp gas which reflects off saturns rings, all the while combined with a typhoon coming from east Asia, and a Sandstrom in Iran. Putting it together you can clearly see why we don’t have any jobs.

Swerve22 on June 10, 2012 at 11:59 AM

This gaffe WILL STICK and it will be driven home by Romney and his team many times — and in the debate.

The War Planner on June 10, 2012 at 11:43 AM

I forget that there are many folks these days that don’t remember the Reagan administration.

When I heard the gaff, I too realized that this would stick.

cozmo on June 10, 2012 at 12:00 PM

The only ‘truth’ is Socialist Truth! Time for more taxes on the filthy rich! That way we can spend more on unemployment and ‘stimulate’ the economy!

GarandFan on June 10, 2012 at 12:00 PM

The Adolph look-alike is in desperado mode.

The Friday before last was the beginning of the end.

Tuesday was the raising of the 2012 barricade.

Last Friday was The (slow) End in front of your eyes.

Obama held a conferece with nothing to say and made two final blunders. It is over, but don’t celebrate.

Cornered rats/snakes are very dangerous.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Quotes like these from Axelrod convince me that his daughter is much smarter than he will ever be.

DevilsPrinciple on June 10, 2012 at 12:01 PM

This is what passes for a kingmaker?

Cleombrotus on June 10, 2012 at 12:03 PM

When Michael Tomasky knows it’s over, it’s over.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Keynesianism, dead

Union bosses, ‘dead’

Gov’t unions, dying and dead

Lavish union critters’ lives and retirement, dying

Obama, the pipedream, ‘dead’

Michelle spitting snakes

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2012 at 12:09 PM

This is what passes for a kingmaker?

Cleombrotus on June 10, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Biggest divider and destroyer the land ever knew.

He has destroyed all he touched, above all there never will be a charlatan like him in a loooong time, hopefully never again.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2012 at 12:10 PM

These immediate attacks by Romney to everything that Obama does and says, is a page out of the Newt Gingrich anti-Obama strategy playbook.

Sparky5253 on June 10, 2012 at 12:17 PM

In a choice between more jobs in the private sector vs. more jobs creating a bigger government; Obama would choose government jobs.

We finally have more clarity about Obama – big government über alles!
Private business is to be strictly regulated and controlled by big government and provide taxes to run a bigger government.

albill on June 10, 2012 at 12:22 PM

This might be the day that Obama lost the election.

WisCon on June 10, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Quotes like these from Axelrod convince me that his daughter is much smarter than he will ever be.

DevilsPrinciple on June 10, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Tread lightly with that angle; his only daughter was diagnosed with epilepsy at the age of 7 months.

http://www.parade.com/health/2009/02/susan-axelrod-CURE-epilepsy.html

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Quotes like these from Axelrod convince me that his daughter is much smarter than he will ever be.

DevilsPrinciple on June 10, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Not cool.

Philly on June 10, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Obama’s class warfare, which he casts as “rich” versus “poor,” is actually the “private sector” versus the “public sector,” with the latter group including all the rent seekers who support growth of the “public sector.” That is one lesson from Obama’s Friday “fine” statement, Obama’s attempts at clarification, and Axelrod’s statement today.
I believe Romney is correct in that Obama’s team did not learn anything from Wisconsin, which is good.
The American people will not exalt “public servants”, their “servants,” over the private sector.

GaltBlvnAtty on June 10, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Mr. Obama is correct about the fact that what is going on in Europe affects us. What he fails to mention is that the reason Europe is in the swamps is not because of austerity — which he is fighting mightily — but the lack of same. The countries which are being austere — such as Germany and Estonia — are doing far better than those who borrowed on their childrens’ futures — Spain and Greece.

As Ms. Merkel, the German Chancellor, said,

I will not let anyone tell me we must spend more money. This crisis did not come about because we issued too little money but because we created economic growth with too much money and it was not sustainable growth.

And there’s this:

But when you are the president of a small country that gets no press, aren’t afraid of the unconventional, and have a fiscal record that, if duplicated, would save the West from ruin, then maybe a smackdown of Krugman was the right thing to do.

Ilves got panned at home for flaming Krugman with sarcasms such as: “Let’s write about something we know nothing about & be smug, overbearing & patronizing: after all, they’re just wogs.”

And: “But yes, what do we know? We’re just dumb & silly East Europeans. Unenlightened. Someday we too will understand. Nostra culpa.”

In reality, what Ilves’ tart tweets did was draw attention to a country whose every move in a recession should be studied and imitated. Estonia’s story can no longer be ignored after those eye-catching tweets.

Krugman was a good target because he’s been peddling the common wisdom, heard all over the European Union and in the White House, that massive deficit spending brings economic recovery – never mind the failure of the $830 billion U.S. stimulus or the big spending that brought southern Europe to its knees.

To Krugman and his power-elite pals, the only reason big government spending doesn’t bring recovery is it’s not big enough.

unclesmrgol on June 10, 2012 at 12:44 PM

It seems simple to me. Private sector jobs go on the income side of the ledger and government sector jobs go on the expense side of the ledger. What do people looking at their household budgets want more of, income or expense? D’uh.

txmomof6 on June 10, 2012 at 12:44 PM

LMAO.

Crowley, helpfully: “…that’s the public sector…”

Jaibones on June 10, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Marxists ALWAYS think the rich(private sector) is doing well while the government(The State)needs more. Thus, it is perfectly normal for the MIC to say what he did.

they lie on June 10, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Point taken, Del, but my niece is epileptic, and to my understanding this has nothing whatsoever to do with intelligence or cognitive function. She’s as bright and functional as can be…but she has to medicate to prevent serious seizures.

No harm here, I think.

Jaibones on June 10, 2012 at 12:54 PM

I think azzelrod is shooting for the deaf vote. “What, what?”

VegasRick on June 10, 2012 at 12:55 PM

If you’re looking for some tasty dessert, this is delicious.

Buy Danish on June 10, 2012 at 1:00 PM

~ Paul “call me bayam” Krugman

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Brayam sure has been MIA lately.

CW on June 10, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Major fail by Axlegrease and Ogabe. That Ogabe statement should be pounded from now til NOvember so we can finally throw the Marxists out!

Ogabe on June 10, 2012 at 1:03 PM

That new Romney ad is just brutal. It must be painful to be a Lib and have to watch that. haha

1984 in real life on June 10, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Waffle white house. bad
Waffle House is good

Axelrod is doing fine.

seven on June 10, 2012 at 1:08 PM

What’s really scary to me is, Obama believes the private sector is just fine. He really thinks that. He’s so out of touch how could he not? After all, Sarah Jessica Parker’s apartment is lovely. She’s the private sector Obama knows.

MAC1000 on June 10, 2012 at 1:24 PM

I pegged both of them before they had even been nominated.

Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2012 at 11:47 AM

No, Del. I said hate. I’m from Arkansas. I knew what Clinton was. It took six years for me to hate him. Only 2+ for obama.

Lanceman on June 10, 2012 at 1:31 PM

I’m glad Team Romney learned something from the disaster that was Team McCain.

Bob's Kid on June 10, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Didn’t Obama backtrack late Friday afternoon and say the private sector wasn’t doing fine after all? So why is it so difficult for Axelgrease to follow suit?

And what the hell do teachers, firefighters, and cops have to do with A) the private sector and B) the federal government? I know the Obama Administration isn’t seriously considering making another stimulus bill the centerpiece of their economic platform for their reelection campaign, right?

Doughboy on June 10, 2012 at 1:55 PM

· PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine.” (President Barack Obama, Press Conference, Washington, DC, 6/8/09)

· PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine.” (President Barack Obama, Press Conference, Washington, DC, 6/8/10)

· PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine.” (President Barack Obama, Press Conference, Washington, DC, 6/8/11)

· PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “The private sector is doing fine.” (President Barack Obama, Press Conference, Washington, DC, 6/8/12)

“The fair if depressing takeaway from Mr. Obama’s press conference is that he continues to believe, despite three and a half years of failure, that more government spending is the key to faster growth and that government really doesn’t need to reform. This is how you get a jobless rate above 8% for 40 months and the weakest economic recovery in 60 years.”

THAT is going to leave a mark…

Seven Percent Solution on June 10, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Doughboy on June 10, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Obama fudged his backtrack by saying that the “economy” is not doing fine. He specifically did not retract his statement that the “private sector” is doing fine. That is part of today’s point: Obama thinks that the “private sector” is doing well but that the economy is being driven down because the “public sector,” which he defines as teachers, policemen, and fireman, is not doing well because it is not receiving enough federal aid.

GaltBlvnAtty on June 10, 2012 at 2:00 PM

This is a LONG pattern of comments by Obama. I haven’t seen this one mentioned yet, in this latest discussion:

Aug. 18 (Bloomberg) — “UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. It’s the Post Office that’s always having problems.” — Barack Obama, Aug. 11, 2009

DaveS on June 10, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Didn’t Obama backtrack late Friday afternoon and say the private sector wasn’t doing fine after all? So why is it so difficult for Axelgrease to follow suit?

Obama never actually backtracked, or even claimed that he misspoke – the media rushed to put that spin on it for him. On Friday afternoon he came closer to doubling-down on it than anything.

drunyan8315 on June 10, 2012 at 2:10 PM

If you’re looking for some tasty dessert, this is delicious.

Buy Danish on June 10, 2012 at 1:00 PM

“Romney Presidential campaign, please pick up the white courtesy phone…

… Romney Presidential campaign, white courtesy phone, please!”

:)

Seven Percent Solution on June 10, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Keep talking Axelnod.

Keep talking Plouffie.

Keep talking President Whistle-all-the-Time.

The independents are listening.

and message to Mitt Campaign…

..Carville is right, keep your fist in their face.

PappyD61 on June 10, 2012 at 2:13 PM

On Saturday morning, NPR News reported as a fact that he misspoke. Wow, the media panic is starting.

drunyan8315 on June 10, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Duh. Perfect storm. Nothing more. Black worship. Media. Popular culture. Worst candidate in history. 8 years Bush bashing.

Lanceman on June 10, 2012 at 10:51 AM

…the MSM until recently was constantly pontificating about that it was a crackpot team of geniuses ran JugEars campaign that won him the election…when it was in fact everything else you just mentioned…these people are buffoons! The media covered everything with a diaper.

KOOLAID2 on June 10, 2012 at 2:18 PM

My wife put it in a simple sentence why Obozo has to go.

“Obama doesn’t believe in America and that’s why I don’t believe in him”

God I love my wife.

banzaibob on June 10, 2012 at 2:18 PM

From the Klein “dessert” article linked above:

There’s no doubt that Obama has turned out to be a major enigma and disappointment,” the historian told me.

Am I the only one surprised that a writer of Klein’s stature doesn’t know how to spell “enema“?

drunyan8315 on June 10, 2012 at 2:27 PM

If you’re looking for some tasty dessert, this is delicious.

Buy Danish on June 10, 2012 at 1:00 PM

“Romney Presidential campaign, please pick up the white courtesy phone…

… Romney Presidential campaign, white courtesy phone, please!”

:)

Seven Percent Solution on June 10, 2012 at 2:10 PM

…geeez! …why can’t the historian’s diaper come off and be named?

KOOLAID2 on June 10, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Obama fudged his backtrack by saying that the “economy” is not doing fine. He specifically did not retract his statement that the “private sector” is doing fine. That is part of today’s point: Obama thinks that the “private sector” is doing well but that the economy is being driven down because the “public sector,” which he defines as teachers, policemen, and fireman, is not doing well because it is not receiving enough federal aid.

GaltBlvnAtty on June 10, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Yep. His original comment was private sector. His supposed walkback was economy. Big diff.

a capella on June 10, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Axelrod is a terrible spokesman. He’s like a bumble-mouthed snake oil salesman who is drunk.

KS Rex on June 10, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Being an Obungler damage-control talking head host of the Old Media morning shows must have felt an awful lot like Supreme Court hacks not-so-wise Sotomayor and perjurer Kagan trying to coach Verrilli during the O’Commiecare case.

viking01 on June 10, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Mmmm… love the expression on her at 2:05. Delicious!

Gravel Gertie on June 10, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Boy… Axle comes off like a real p***y when he’s backed into a corner. More of that please.
-

RalphyBoy on June 10, 2012 at 2:37 PM

crackpot team of geniuses

KOOLAID2 on June 10, 2012 at 2:18 PM

I’ll go with that slip.

Genius being relative.

Lanceman on June 10, 2012 at 2:44 PM

i know it is no surprise when leftists lie…after all what else can they do?

but here’s the data on aggregate state and local spending…a graph from the st louis Fed

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/SLEXPND?cid=107

actually, they seem to be doing fine…humming along at roughly 14 percent of gdp.

now barry is spending at about 23 or 24 percent…so the total is just shy of 40 percent of gdp

r keller on June 10, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Axelrod dodges CNN question on “private sector doing fine” … three times;

Is that weasel Axelrod so stupid that he thinks the American people don’t see the slime he just splattered all over the their TV screens??

Is the Obama Campaign coffers going to pay for cleaning that spooge off my TV??

BigSven on June 10, 2012 at 2:47 PM

“They can’t punch back if you keep your fist in their face.”

Tim_CA on June 10, 2012 at 2:50 PM

To Resist We Much on June 10, 2012 at 11:21 AM

A few days ago you commented on the corporations/people issue, indicating what can happen to unincorporated sole owners’ personal property and liberals becoming dumbstruck. Will you please provide the post under which you made those comments? They were the best. I need the reference. I want to have your children. Thx.

texacalirose on June 10, 2012 at 2:50 PM

According to Obama the private sector is “punching above it weight” and the public sector is “wee weed up” a bit.

Sticky Wicket on June 10, 2012 at 2:52 PM

They were the best. I need the reference. I want to have your children. Thx.

texacalirose on June 10, 2012 at 2:50 PM

..with the greatest of respect and fear that I might be in error, but that might be biologically impossible. But we take your point. RWM is meteorically awesome.

The War Planner on June 10, 2012 at 2:55 PM

crackpot team of geniuses

KOOLAID2 on June 10, 2012 at 2:18 PM

“We have top men working on it now.”

“Who?”

“Top. Men.”

-Raiders of the Lost Ark

Chuck Schick on June 10, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Axelrod is a terrible spokesman. He’s like a bumble-mouthed snake oil salesman who is drunk.

KS Rex on June 10, 2012 at 2:36 PM

..bumble-mouothed snake oil salesmen all across the nation take grave exception to that remark, sir or madam as the case may be.

:-D

The War Planner on June 10, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Sort of off topic..but was reading an article the other nite and it mentioned that Clinton has a chocolate Lab named Seamus…..popular name it seems…!!!!!

Xango Annie on June 10, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Keep talking President Whistle-all-the-Time.

The independents are listening.

and message to Mitt Campaign…

..Carville is right, keep your fist in their face.

PappyD61 on June 10, 2012 at 2:13 PM

For PappyD and all of you who need an extra reason to revile this SCOAMF:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uJDfNjywB8&feature=player_embedded

(God! I love to hate that clip!)

The War Planner on June 10, 2012 at 3:03 PM

I know this is OT, but I’ve been really wanting to ask. I use to lurk at LGF all the time and finally “got in”. I quit reading for a long stretch then went back. What the heck happened? Where’d all the sane folk go?

Gravel Gertie on June 10, 2012 at 3:11 PM

For PappyD and all of you who need an extra reason to revile this SCOAMF:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uJDfNjywB8&feature=player_embedded

(God! I love to hate that clip!)

The War Planner on June 10, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Reminder: Automatic 45% re-elect number for the DOTUS.

95% of the Black vote, automatic.

75% of the Jewish vote, automatic.

90% of the media vote, automatic.

80% of the Union vote, automatic.

Romney better keep the fist in the Whistler’s face, it’s going to be a long 5 months/7 months.

PappyD61 on June 10, 2012 at 3:11 PM

80% of the Union vote, automatic.

Romney better keep the fist in the Whistler’s face, it’s going to be a long 5 months/7 months.

PappyD61 on June 10, 2012 at 3:11 PM

If union membership is going down in Wisconsin due to the repeal of automatic public union membership, won’t that number be affected? I’ve seen pull-quotes posted on several threads that show union membership, both public and ,going down nation-wide.

Gravel Gertie on June 10, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Let’s remind ourselves to use THEIR WEAPON back on them (AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY).

1. Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.

2. Never go outside the experience of your people.

3. Whenever possible, go outside of the experience of the enemy.

4. Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.

5. Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.

6. A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.

7. A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.

8. Keep the pressure on with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.

9. The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.

10. The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.

11. If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside.

12. The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

Whether it’s responding to Axelnod or other Sunday talk show guest comments at Politico in the comments section, or sending email links to their videos, or posting on Facebook or Tweeting/hashtagging on Twitter.

Make them eat the Alinsky rules.

PappyD61 on June 10, 2012 at 3:17 PM

“Where my vision believes in the ingenuity of the American people, his vision trusts the wisdom of political appointees and boards, commissions and czars.
It’s one in which ordinary Americans must get permission from people in Washington before they can buy, build, invest or hire.
It’s a world of federal mandates and waivers, tax credits and subsidies, federal grants and loan guarantees.
It’s an economy where a company’s lobbyists will be more important than its engineers, and federal compliance lawyers will outnumber patent lawyers.
Business models based on building a better mousetrap will give way to those that seek the right mix of government subsidies, waivers and loan guarantees.
And Chief Government Officers will join the ranks of Chief Financial Officers and Chief Operating Officers in corporate America’s executive ranks.

President Obama trusts in the wisdom of government. I put my trust in the ingenuity and creativity and commitment to hard work of the American people.”

… Mitt Romney

Seeing this speech I couldn’t help remembering another Candidate responding to a sitting president who was telling us that “Everything was just fine.”

“Eight million out of work. Inflation running at 18 percent in the first quarter of 1980. Black unemployment at about 14 percent, higher than any single year since the government began keeping separate statistics. Four straight major deficits run up by Carter and his friends in Congress. The highest interest rates since the Civil War–reaching at times close to 20 percent–lately down to more than 11 percent but now going up again–productivity falling for six straight quarters among the most productive people in history.

Through his inflation he has raised taxes on the American people by 30 percent–while their real income has risen only 20 percent. He promised he would not increase taxes for the low and middle-income people–the workers of America. Then he imposed on American families the largest single tax increase in history.

His answer to all of this misery? He tries to tell us that we are “only” in a recession, not a depression, as if definitions—words–relieve our suffering.

Let it show on the record that when the American people cried out for economic help, Jimmy Carter took refuge behind a dictionary.

Well if it’s a definition he wants, I’ll give him one.
A recession is when your neighbor loses his job.
A depression is when you lose yours.
Recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his.”

… Ronald Reagan.

jaydee_007 on June 10, 2012 at 3:17 PM

The TRULY AMAZING THING is that since Obama committed the “gaffe heard round the world”, his approval ratings on Gallup have GONE UP 3 POINTS!

What this tells me is that about half the country isn’t even paying attention at this point – you know, the half that can tell you what brand of shoes Kim Kardashian wears but doesn’t know who the Vice President of the Unites States is? Yeah, that half.

If Obama is below 50% when people aren’t paying attention, he is finished when they are.

mitchellvii on June 10, 2012 at 3:18 PM

I’ve seen pull-quotes posted on several threads that show union membership, both public and ,going down nation-wide.

Gravel Gertie on June 10, 2012 at 3:15 PM

I don’t know how its going in yankee states, but people I’ve talked to are thinking this just may be their chance to throw off the union (CWA)chains.

cozmo on June 10, 2012 at 3:19 PM

I thought the reason the public sector had more jobs and no recession losses in 2009 was “the public sector lags the private sector”; and that they’d feel the pinch later not sooner.

So they won’t get their jobs back until the private sector picks up, to fund the taxes to rehire them.

But instead we’ll just hike taxes and borrow money and slow the economy to hire them back first… and this will help things along?

Ok, so putting more “headwinds” against the private sector will help it? “Headwinds” are a good thing?

Not buying it.

gekkobear on June 10, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Uhhh…. yes, hiring more police and firefighters will help the private sector, which is doing fine, because when people break into private businesses and set them on fire, the police can arrest the arsonist, and the firefighters can put out the fire, which is fine!

morganfrost on June 10, 2012 at 3:21 PM

cozmo on June 10, 2012 at 3:19 PM

I would think it would take quite a conversation with oneself for many of the former union members to pull their memberships. It can’t be easy knowing the climate they will find themselves in after “betraying the family” like that. I can’t help but imagine it would encourage deeper soul searching concerning other beliefs that stand hand-in-hand with the union culture.

Gravel Gertie on June 10, 2012 at 3:23 PM

You wanna know how much trouble Democrats are in?

A dorky Conservative Governor with a bad haircut and no charisma just beat the leftwing-union GOTV machine by 7 points in a state OWNED by Obama in 2008. The Left had EVERYTHING riding on this and got beat bad. So bad that the DNC even saw it coming and held back resources.

Yes, when a non-personality like Walker can beat the Union Machine in Wisconsin, Democrats are SCREWED.

mitchellvii on June 10, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Government workers are overhead. They don’t “make” anything. Never in the history of business has overhead ever contributed to the bottom line, unless of course you are reducing it. Overhead is the “cost of doing business”.

We need a government that focuses on the profit centers – the private sector.

mitchellvii on June 10, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Uhhh…. yes, hiring more police and firefighters will help the private sector, which is doing fine, because when people break into private businesses and set them on fire, the police can arrest the arsonist, and the firefighters can put out the fire, which is fine!

morganfrost on June 10, 2012 at 3:21 PM

sounds a little creepy. you think that people are planning to break into businesses and burn them down? you think it will be an ‘epidemic’? Like…that’s a nice business you got there

r keller on June 10, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Reminder: Automatic 45% re-elect number for the DOTUS.

75% of the Jewish vote, automatic.

PappyD61 on June 10, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Obama in 10-Point Drop among Jews
Among U.S. Jews, 64% support Obama, down from 74% in 2008 and similar to what Dukakis got in 1988.

Flora Duh on June 10, 2012 at 3:31 PM

The Axe ain’t looking so sharp nowdays is he? Sorry Axe but when your Baby O is in office these things called positive results are expected. It’s not all Hope and Crap.

arand on June 10, 2012 at 3:43 PM

A few days ago you commented on the corporations/people issue, indicating what can happen to unincorporated sole owners’ personal property and liberals becoming dumbstruck. Will you please provide the post under which you made those comments? They were the best. I need the reference. texacalirose on June 10, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Is this it? It was the only one that I could find in a search:

“Fine. Just remember that corporations can be one person (although LLC would be a better organisational structure for them). Without corporate personhood, there will be lawyers like me, who will sue your small business owner arse and take your business, your home, your wife’s engagement ring, your kids’ college funds, their piggy banks, and their Buzz Lightyear underwear.

You don’t want corporate personhood. Great. We can go back to sole proprietorships and I’ll go back to work and be the biggest shyster of an ambulance chaser you’ve ever encountered…especially if you are a Progressive and were stupid enough to support this insanity.”

Needless to say, I don’t even hear crickets afterward because they are stunned into silence.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2012 at 6:39 PM

I want to have your children. Thx.

That’s gonna be a little difficult, Rose. We are both playing on the same team, if you know what I mean. hehehe :-)

Resist We Much on June 10, 2012 at 3:55 PM

I want to have your children. Thx.

But thanks for the sentiment anyway!

Resist We Much on June 10, 2012 at 3:55 PM

I quit reading for a long stretch then went back. What the heck happened? Where’d all the sane folk go?

Gravel Gertie on June 10, 2012 at 3:11 PM

..Gertie, Charlie Johnson went off the reservation several years ago. According to it’s Wiki entry:

Little Green Footballs (LGF) is an American political blog run by web designer Charles Johnson.

Media observers in the United States long described the site as “right wing”,[2] but since 2007, the site’s emphasis has changed, such that “LGF has become better known for the various fights it picks with many on the right.”[3]

Johnson stated in 2006:

I’m not pretending I’m giving equal time to both sides. But I do think what I’m advocating, and what I believe in, is the right side.[4]

More recently, in 2009, he has claimed that:

I don’t think there is an anti-jihadist movement anymore… It’s all a bunch of kooks. I’ve watched some people who I thought were reputable, and who I trusted, hook up with racists and Nazis. I see a lot of them promoting stories and causes that I think are completely nuts.[3]

Earlier, after the September 11, 2001 attacks, Johnson—who has described himself as “pretty much center-left before 9/11″[5]— transformed his blog’s discussion of bicycle racing, programming, web design, and the occasional humorous news item into a very active discussion of the War on Terror, Islam and Islamism, Eurabia, and the Arab-Israeli conflict.

..in this sojourn back to the left, Johnson employs a vigorous and zealous programme of eliminating all non-belivers and naysayers quite unlike Ed and the crew here at HG who tolerate blatantly foolish trolls in the interest of spirited debate.

The War Planner on June 10, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Woodward/Bernstein on Deface the Nation: the Nixon White House became a “criminal enterprise.” Don’t these guys see it? Everything they say can be applied to this gang of thugs in the Obama White House.

TarheelBen on June 10, 2012 at 10:51 AM


Two thoughts …

This is THEIR gang of thugs. Nothing to see here, move along ..

How is it that Bob Woodward – the man with access to everybody and the willingness to write insider books on every administration – has suddenly become deaf, dumb and mute with Obama in the White House?

PolAgnostic on June 10, 2012 at 3:56 PM

That’s gonna be a little difficult, Rose. We are both playing on the same team, if you know what I mean. hehehe :-)

Resist We Much on June 10, 2012 at 3:55 PM


Nonetheless … a nice complement

Rose, you can Google ‘Hot Air Resist We Much (and whatever you can remember}’ … it works pretty well

PolAgnostic on June 10, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Since the Public Sector cannot, by definition, create wealth, it is always a net negative on an economy.

OldEnglish on June 10, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Exactly. Government has always been and always will be a wealth destroyer, not a wealth creator.

ButterflyDragon on June 10, 2012 at 10:53 AM
According to leftist economics wealth is neither created nor destroyed, but is a static quantity that is made to flow from one place to another.
That’s why they don’t understand that government spending is wealth destruction and they think that profits take money from the lower economic classes. To them, government is not only the source of rights, it is also the source of wealth and prosperity.

single stack on June 10, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Unemployment creates jobs and stimulates the economy. Problem solved. Nancy Pelosi

redridinghood on June 10, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Nonetheless … a nice complement

PolAgnostic on June 10, 2012 at 3:59 PM

It certainly was. :-)

Resist We Much on June 10, 2012 at 4:08 PM

*******URGENT NEWS FLASH***********

Today at noon a senior White House aide was quoted as saying “That Candy Crowley is dead to us!” Senior strategist David Axelrod was seen just earlier barging into this White House Aide’s office. Glass could be heard breaking through the closed door.

NOMOBO on June 10, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Obama thinks the private IS doing fine. He said the “ECONOMY” is not fine, not the private sector. So he is doubling down on what he said earlier. He just came back to TELL US that we misunderstood him. That the “private sector” is not the full “economy”. But Obama truly believes that the private sector is fine.

About Romney and the RNC, I’m actually impressed at how fast they are coming back with responses and nailing Obama for his gaffes. In 2008, we’d wait and wait and wait… and nothing. There is one thing about Romney that I may not have taken into account earlier. People who are successful do not like to lose. Especially people in business. Romney has the advantage of having experience on both sides and has knowledge about running in a blue state. I am fully confident this will help him and his response so far has been amazing compared to what we saw last time around.

Hoping to see some TV ads in battleground states that take Obama to task.

MrX on June 10, 2012 at 4:30 PM

To: Resist

That’s gonna be a little difficult, Rose. We are both playing on the same team, if you know what I mean. hehehe :-)

Resist We Much on June 10, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Oops & HaHaHa!! However, my comment is still applicable, Resist. It is just my way of saying you’re the cat’s pajamas, and I say that to all my men (and women now it seems) :o).

Thx ten million for the reference. I had tried what PolAgnostic recommended with negative results but appreciate the suggestion. Now, can either PolAgnostic or you tell me how to reply to comments in the proper format and then make me a sandwich (needy & demanding today, ain’t I?)

texacalirose on June 10, 2012 at 4:36 PM

The War Planner on June 10, 2012 at 3:56 PM

RE: LGF

Thanks for the background. I hadn’t considered that Wikipedia would have an entry for it, but it stands to reason it would. So, where’d all those really humorous, snarky posters go if the got banned? I really miss some of them.

It all makes you ask, was the LGF host genuine in his views between 9/11 and 2007, or just an attention whore?

Gravel Gertie on June 10, 2012 at 4:41 PM

It all makes you ask, was the LGF host genuine in his views between 9/11 and 2007, or just an attention whore?

Gravel Gertie on June 10, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Does it matter?

LGF served a purpose and during a pretty bad time it was a neat place.

It goes to show what happens what a little bit of fame does to a small mind.

As for where did they go…mostly here. Its about the only place on the web I wasn’t cozmo.

cozmo on June 10, 2012 at 4:48 PM

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