Romney: “Is he really that out of touch?”

posted at 2:01 pm on June 8, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

It didn’t take long for Mitt Romney to hit the hanging curve Barack Obama threw earlier today in his press conference.  Speaking in Iowa, a key swing state in the election, Romney asked whether any American President has been more out of touch with economic reality:

Now this morning, the President had a press conference. I don’t know if you heard it, but he called a press conference and pulled people in and said a number of things, and one of the most interesting things he said was this: he said the private sector is doing fine. He said the private sector is doing fine. Is he really that out of touch? I think he’s defining what it means to be detached and out of touch with the American people. Has there ever been an American president who is so far from reality as to believe in an America where 23 million Americans are out of work, or stopped looking for work, or can only find part-time jobs and need full-time jobs, where the economy grew in the first quarter of the year at only 1.9 percent, where the median income in America has dropped by 10% over the last four years, where there have been record number of home foreclosures, for the President of the United States to stand up and say the private sector is doing fine is going to go down in history. It’s an extraordinary miscalculation and misunderstanding by a President who is out of touch, and we’re going to take back this country and get America working again.

The LA Times picks up on the story:

Mitt Romney hit back at President Obama‘s comments Friday morning that the private sector was “doing fine,” with the GOP nominee saying it was evidence that the president does not understand the economy or the financial struggles facing Americans.

“Is he really that out of touch? I think he’s defining what it means to be detached and out of touch with the American people,” Romney told supporters gathered in a park in Council Bluffs, Iowa. “Has there ever been an American president who is so far from reality?”

Romney countered by reeling off a litany of statistics about the nation’s economic plight — 23 million Americans unemployed, underemployed or dropped out of the labor force; the economy growing at a meager 1.9% in the first quarter; the median income dropping by 10% over the last four years; and record home foreclosures.

“For the president of the United States to stand up and say that the private sector is doing fine is going to go down in history as an extraordinary miscalculation and misunderstanding by a president who is out of touch and we’re going to take back this country and get America working again,” Romney said.

“Extraordinary miscalculation” sounds about right.  This could very well be a tipping point for Obama, who was going to have a tough time defending his economic record in any case.  The only saving grace for the President might be that it happened this early in the cycle, and that subsequent events might allow his laughable remark to fade from memory.  However, I’d bet that the Romney campaign will be making that statement the centerpiece of every ad about economic policy they run from now until November.  They certainly won’t let Obama forget he said it.

Update: It didn’t take long for the RNC to cut this ad:

That won’t be the last one, either.


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Speaking of the private sector, there is a growing awareness of the unique badness of public unions, regardless of whether you are otherwise more or less pro-Union. My wsj comment:

In private industry, labor unions are fine, if the business climate can support it. But bloated public unions become little more than a means for a select few to milk the taxpayer. There is no reason to have public unions. Pay public employees what the market will bear, no more. Most of these unionized public jobs garner a substantial salary for sitting around doing nothing useful. Seriously.
[and among those that do do something useful, they often get HUGE$ salaries, like as much as $150k for police, like Harvard MBAs] Indeed, they [police] would work for much much less, but we keep paying these public union employees huge amounts when the market doesn’t call for it. Insane.

A awesome reply to my comment, by Larry Cline:
The point is, there is a fundamental difference between unions in private industry and public sector unions.
Whatever you think of a union in the private sector, when it sits down to negotiate, there is opposition, in the person of management, on the other side of the table. And even though they are in some opposition, both sides understand that there is a limited amount of funds to be spread around, and that if that cuts too deeply into profits, the business will fail, drying up the source of the funds.
Public sector unions are negotiating for shares of what is seen as an essentially unlimited source of funds, one that can never “dry up”: the taxpayers. Worse yet, the “opposition” against which they usually negotiate are Democrat politicians who usually have no real reason to limit the unions’ raid of the taxpayers’ pockets. Rather, they have a positive interest in helping the unions, since a large part of the funds the union collects from its taxpayer-paid members will be funneled back to their re-election coffers. The “negotiation” amounts to little more than a discussion of how much the accomplices can get away with.
Until Scott Walker emerged as a politician who would negotiate in opposition to the public unions (rather than in concert with them) there was little limit to “how much they could get away with.” While not as eloquent as Ms. Noonan would like, hopefully the example of his political courage (a much more valuable asset) will inspire others in government.

anotherJoe on June 8, 2012 at 4:36 PM

And when Scott Walker runs for President, we’ll support him. At this time he’s not so all you’re really doing is dirtying up another thread with your usual bs.

Flora Duh on June 8, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Boy every one here follows rules for radicals.

This was a valid answer to a valid question.

That is why Mitt is losing this election.

He has no clear message. Even Nixon had a very clear message when he ran and politically was much like Mitt.

There is plenty of time for Mitt to develop a clear message. But unless he does it is most likely that a majority of people will vote for the crook they know instead of Mitt they do not know.

Beating an incumbent is never easy.

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 4:36 PM

PolAgnostic on June 8, 2012 at 3:05 PM said:

Breaking news!!!!!!

Mayan archeologists announced a breakthrough in their translation of a new and entirely complete Mayan calendar and related carvings. “The Mayans took great pains to define this species as a cult of humans who would come into existence for a brief period in a society of great wealth. This cult was predicted to devote itself to the destruction of their own society, its wealth and its morals….
They even used a specific name for the cult: Liberas…”

LMAOF!! I think I’m going to convert to “Mayanism”. Hah, too funny!!

Thanks for a good laugh in a sea of doom and incredulity!

redgypsy on June 8, 2012 at 4:38 PM

totherightofthem on June 8, 2012 at 4:28 PM<
+++++

GaltBlvnAtty on June 8, 2012 at 4:39 PM

I wonder if he stands in front of a mirror and practices his best Captain Morgan pose, imagining his raised foot on some businessman’s body.

totherightofthem on June 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Have you seen the RNC’s new ad “Headwinds” ???
(wait for it.. hehe)

pambi on June 8, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Oh, bless your heart. Now go back outside and play with the other children.

Gunlock Bill on June 8, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Have you seen the RNC’s new ad “Headwinds” ???
(wait for it.. hehe)

pambi on June 8, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Great ad. I hadn’t seen it until now. All it’s missing is the Captain Morgan pose. ;) Seriously, I doubt this man ever sailed in his entire life. What did he do? Hold a seance and ask Ted Kennedy for some neat-o boating terms to use?

totherightofthem on June 8, 2012 at 4:42 PM

“The private sector is fine.”

That could be an epitaph.

Governor Romney might remember the “I was brainwashed.” remark by his father and how the right sunk him with it. And that remark was not in the same zip code of idiocy as we heard today from President Obama.

I am not young but I don’t remember Governor George Romney’s gaffe which happened in 1967 or so.

IlikedAUH2O on June 8, 2012 at 4:43 PM

LMAOF!! I think I’m going to convert to “Mayanism”. Hah, too funny!!

Thanks for a good laugh in a sea of doom and incredulity!

redgypsy on June 8, 2012 at 4:38 PM

PolAgnostic on June 8, 2012 at 3:05 PM
Yes this was quite funny.

But in the end it would have been more likely the liberals would have done what ever necessary to make sure no one ever saw the report. They generally use “peer reviews” where only people that agree with them are considered “Peers”. No objectivity allowed.

5% of Climatologist agree with Global Warming. But the 95% that dis-agreed with it have mostly been fired or never hired.

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 4:43 PM

totherightofthem on June 8, 2012 at 4:42 PM

I believe that Mitt’s team has ALOT of these in reserve, atm, since ‘Headwinds’ came out back-to-back with the ‘out of touch’ one…. JUST TODAY ! TWO !!
GO RNC !! :-)

pambi on June 8, 2012 at 4:48 PM

That is why Mitt is losing this election.

FD: You don’t get around much, do you?

He has no clear message. Even Nixon had a very clear message when he ran and politically was much like Mitt.

FD: His message is being made more clear everyday. To those who choose to hear it.

There is plenty of time for Mitt to develop a clear message.

FD: If you believe that, then why are you on here everyday wringing your hands like some old nursemaid?

But unless he does it is most likely that a majority of people will vote for the crook they know instead of Mitt they do not know.

FD: The election is still 5 months away. Most people won’t be that interested during June, July and August anyway. Besides, we have at least one debate to look forward to between Romney and the boy king.

Beating an incumbent is never easy.

FD: Tell that to GHW Bush and Jimmy Carter.

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Flora Duh on June 8, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Governor Romney might remember the “I was brainwashed.” remark by his father and how the right sunk him with it. And that remark was not in the same zip code of idiocy as we heard today from President Obama.

I am not young but I don’t remember Governor George Romney’s gaffe which happened in 1967 or so.

IlikedAUH2O on June 8, 2012 at 4:43 PM

I listend to Sean Hannity last night interviewing Rand Paul. Sean said that his dad was like Mitts in that both worked for their opponent after they lost. Well that was not at all true with Mitts dad George.

George Romney became friends with Saul Alinsky. He heard how wonderful North Vietnam was. So he went to France to meet the officials of North Vietnam Mitt Romney spoke fluent french then so they met him there and he interpreted. George became even more impressed and decided to Go to North Vietnam (do not know if Mitt went). He came home to Michigan and praised North Vietnam. He was running for President on this platform. Every one started calling him brainwashed George. He only took his home State. He never ever helped Goldwater or released his delegates to Goldwater the nominee. He later said he had indeed been brainwashed but it was too late to even think of 1968.

Now eventually Nixon did indeed leave Vietnam. This led to millions and millions or murders by North Vietnam and it’s friends. North Vietnam put Pol Pott into power. This was the biggest loss of face to America ever.

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 4:54 PM

The only saving grace for the President might be that it happened this early in the cycle, and that subsequent events might allow his laughable remark to fade from memory.

Subsequent events like . . . Barry saying something even more stupid than this?

Can’t wait!

AZCoyote on June 8, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Flora Duh on June 8, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Show me his clear message on Obama Care.

I will get rid of it on Day One.

Right every American is smart enough to know that is GARBAGE. What will he replace it with is the real question. If he needs this new adviser that wants to implement Obama Care Health Exchanges. How is that getting rid of it. That is Obama Care. That is what makes Obama Care Obama Care the most costly part of it the part that insures 30 million Americans with new taxes on the middle class (mandate).

The rest is almost as unclear. A bunch or rhetoric that could mean most anything.

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Lucky Pierre, are you sure you want to play the polygamy card?

Neither Mitt nor his father were polygamists.

Can you say the same about Obama’s father, grandfather, and great-grandfather?

“The line of polygamists in Obama’s family can be traced back generations in western Kenya, where it was an accepted practice within the Luo (pronounced LOO-oh) tribe. His great-grandfather, Obama Opiyo, had five wives, including two who were sisters. His grandfather, Hussein Onyango, had at least four wives, one of whom, Akumu, gave birth to the president’s father, Barack Obama, before fleeing her abusive husband. Obama Sr. was already married when he left Kenya to study at the University of Hawaii, where he married again. His American wife-to-be, Stanley Ann Dunham, was not yet 18 and unaware of his marital situation when she became pregnant with his namesake son in 1961.”

And, Barack, Sr., married another woman while he was still married to Stanley Ann & the wife before her.

Resist We Much on June 8, 2012 at 2:38 PM

This was a good, smart post, as usual for you, but I feel I should share what I believe is a fun, helpful tip: please don’t be so polite when correcting nitwits who lack the self-awareness to be able to recognize their own reflections when they are looking at mirrors, ok! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on June 8, 2012 at 5:00 PM

This was a good, smart post, as usual for you, but I feel I should share what I believe is a fun, helpful tip: please don’t be so polite when correcting nitwits who lack the self-awareness to be able to recognize their own reflections when they are looking at mirrors, ok! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on June 8, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Except.

Any attack on Obama’s “black” relatives will be considered racist. The press will pile on like crazy.

They press will at the same time talk about legitimate the attacks on Mormonism is. Especially as the Mormons discriminated against blacks until 1978.

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 5:05 PM

I’m glad Obama made what amounted to a political gaffe since it will help conservatives in this case. His comment, though, doesn’t have great significance to me personally. If it had been Slick Willy rather than Obumbler making the comment, his lower lip would have trembled and he would have said with a slight sob in his voice, “I feel your pain.” Squishes like to hear that better, but to me, Marxism is Marxism however it might be dressed up.

Burke on June 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Obama really stuck his foot in it this time..for a smooth guy, he sure is screwing up a lot.

Terrye on June 8, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 4:59 PM

I believe that we’ll hear clear and concise details as time goes on.
Methinks it’s only a matter of time… for the moment, don’t stop the enemy while he’s tying his own noose.
It’ll come.

pambi on June 8, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 4:59 PM

I’m not going to do the work for you. I discovered that children never learn that way, plus it makes them lazy and too dependent on other people to do the heavy lifting for them.

Ya know, it’s a shame you haven’t taken totherightofthem’s very sage advice.

Hey, Steve? Why do you persist in this? Not everyone who supports Romney now supported him in the primaries. We had to think about switching to Romney and those of us who did, are taking our lumps and doing it because we want Obama gone. Those who supported Romney from the get-go did aren’t going to change their minds now. Romney is the nominee. Either support and vote for him or not, but why don’t you save the preaching for after Romney gets in and after he disappoints you. I promise, you can say “I told you so” as many times as you want and I won’t chastise you for it. In the meantime, this former Gingrich supporter will vote for Romney and see how he does. Win or lose.

totherightofthem on June 8, 2012 at 4:28 PM

You might save yourself from appearing to be a liberal troll trying to instigate trouble.

Flora Duh on June 8, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Not only him, but it is Jarrett too. The way Axeljob spins the truth on it’s head I have to believe it was he who instructed obummer to say this.

jake49 on June 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM

You might save yourself from appearing to be a liberal troll trying to instigate trouble.

Flora Duh on June 8, 2012 at 5:14 PM

On this thread I attacked Obama.

This was not a walkback by Obama tonight.

He just said exactly the same thing in a slightly different way. The economy is not good (because of the public sector). He did not say the Private Sector was hurting as well.

Obama is the worst President ever in America. But even so. Mitt Romney has given me no reason to make me think he would be better. Everything he does seem to say I will proceed with the Obama Agenda but do it in a far better way. I am a manager and will know how to do it right. Obama is just in over his head. I will not be in over my head.

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Except.

Any attack on Obama’s “black” relatives will be considered racist. The press will pile on like crazy.

They press will at the same time talk about legitimate the attacks on Mormonism is. Especially as the Mormons discriminated against blacks until 1978.

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 5:05 PM

That was out of left field! lol

You’re so negative, it’s fair to say you are warped to the point that you’re demented, like angryed, HondaV65, and ddrintn (right2bright and FloatingRock, while not quite as bad, do deserve (dis)honorable mention here…) You’re divisive and annoying!

Have you ever soberly asked yourself why those who are as negative/pessimistic as you almost always self-righteously see that the problem others have with you lies with them, who aren’t negative/pessimistic like you, instead of with yourselves?

Bizarro No. 1 on June 8, 2012 at 5:27 PM

You might save yourself from appearing to be a liberal troll trying to instigate trouble.

Flora Duh on June 8, 2012 at 5:14 PM

.
He couldn’t help himself if he tried … besides where else could he go to get himself all Queequeg’d up?

He’s a Moby ;)

PolAgnostic on June 8, 2012 at 5:27 PM

“The private sector is fine.”

That could be an epitaph.

IlikedAUH2O on June 8, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Yes, but I like this one better…

Pic of the Day: Obama & The Dead Man’s Claw

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/06/pic-of-day-obama-dead-mans-claw.html

M2RB: Lenny Breau plays Jerry Reed’s “The Claw”

Resist We Much on June 8, 2012 at 5:31 PM

He couldn’t help himself if he tried … besides where else could he go to get himself all Queequeg’d up?

He’s a Moby ;)

PolAgnostic on June 8, 2012 at 5:27 PM

He’s definitely a buzz-kill, I’ll say that much. ;)

totherightofthem on June 8, 2012 at 5:38 PM

YUPS !

The adults know PRECISELY what he was saying !!

pambi on June 8, 2012 at 5:39 PM

If this ‘press conference in front of Solyndra’, ‘creaming Obama for saying that the private sector is doing fine” stuff keeps up, I might actually be excited to vote for Romney.

Roxeanne de Luca on June 8, 2012 at 5:43 PM

YUPS !

The adults know PRECISELY what he was saying !!

pambi on June 8, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Thank you.

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Everytime I see “inthemiddle” I think of this:-)

“Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides.”
Margaret Thatcher

bluefox on June 8, 2012 at 7:18 PM

I’ve got to hand it to Mitt and his people for their quick response to everything Obama throws out. I have to admit I never thought he would be a fighter. Don’t know where this comes from, but I’m at least hopeful now that he has a lot fight in him.
silvernana on June 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM

And you think Romney made his billions by being, what, a spineless shrinking violet? Use some common sense.

Kim Priestap on June 8, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Says the billionaire who buys Nascar teams in his spare time. Sorry, Willard…America has already bought into the meme that you’re the out of touch one. Nice try.
inthemiddle on June 8, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Whatever he has done, he’s used his own money or investor money to do it. The fact that you somehow have a problem with normal business operations disqualifies you from ever being taken seriously.
AubieJon on June 8, 2012 at 2:16 PM

This.

Kim Priestap on June 8, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Your post above is one of two things:

1) It is the most intellectually dishonest pile I can ever recall reading on HotAir, i.e. you just plain made it up,

or,

2) you are so intellectually challenged that someone has successfully fed you a complete crock of nonsense, and you have foolishly chosen to believe it — i.e., you are the one who has truly been brainwashed!

Trochilus on June 8, 2012 at 7:45 PM

You might save yourself from appearing to be a liberal troll trying to instigate trouble.

Flora Duh on June 8, 2012 at 5:14 PM

If you could actually tell us Romney’s clear message instead of telling people to figure it out themselves you might save yourself from appearing to be a dumbass.

Spliff Menendez on June 8, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Spliff Menendez on June 8, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Patience is a virtue.
It’s coming.

pambi on June 8, 2012 at 7:59 PM

This was a good, smart post, as usual for you, but I feel I should share what I believe is a fun, helpful tip: please don’t be so polite when correcting nitwits who lack the self-awareness to be able to recognize their own reflections when they are looking at mirrors, ok! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on June 8, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Thank you. Will do. :-)

Resist We Much on June 8, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Your post above is one of two things:

1) It is the most intellectually dishonest pile I can ever recall reading on HotAir, i.e. you just plain made it up,

or,

2) you are so intellectually challenged that someone has successfully fed you a complete crock of nonsense, and you have foolishly chosen to believe it — i.e., you are the one who has truly been brainwashed!

Trochilus on June 8, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Projection?

Perhaps you should consider actually researching Romney. Not just read his web page. His web page is more distortion than fact. Looks like something Clinton might right where is has different meanings.

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 8:22 PM

write right

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Steveangell

Pro tip: no one buys your BS.

tom daschle concerned on June 8, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 4:54 PM

OK. For the sake of argument I’m going to just assume that everything you said is true. All I can say then is Whew! It’s a good thing Mitt Romney is the one running for president and not George. You’re not suggesting we hold the son accountable for the sins of the father, are you?

alchemist19 on June 8, 2012 at 9:02 PM

PolAgnostic on June 8, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Anyone that quotes Heinlein is awesome in my book. He’s got a million of ‘em.

Who is John Galt on June 8, 2012 at 9:40 PM

OK. For the sake of argument I’m going to just assume that everything you said is true. All I can say then is Whew! It’s a good thing Mitt Romney is the one running for president and not George. You’re not suggesting we hold the son accountable for the sins of the father, are you?

alchemist19 on June 8, 2012 at 9:02 PM

No of course not.

But many people have no idea that Romney is tied to Communism and he loved it at age 22.

It is a bit better known that he was always for the furtherst left candidate in each election Tsongas for example and he actually ran to the left of Teddy Kennedy who was too far Right for Romney. His actions as Governor were eerily similar to Obamas first year except Romney got Gay Marriage and Cap and Trade into law.

He is also a self proclaimed Progressive. If you do not know that is what label the Communist started using after McCarthy made it well known what the USSR and China actually did to the people (genocide).

There is nothing in his record as Governor that did anything but help the Communist Progressive movement.

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 9:40 PM

I should also note that Mormons believe that Christ will install the United Order when he comes. Many believe we can help by installing it here first including the founder Joseph Smith. This is Communism.

That said this is not Official Church Doctrine. But a large number of the most elite in the church hold to it.

Romney could falsely think if he gets Communism he will be helping GOD.

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 8:22 PM

There is absolutely no credible basis to your story about George Romney and North Viet-Nam. Absolutely none. It was and is a complete fabrication. Previously I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt by suggesting that you had either made your the story up, or you had been a victim of gullibility, and stupidly believed a lie that someone else cooked up.

But now it is becoming clear that YOU were the one who just made that story up, likely as a childish way to continue attacking Mitt Romney. You even managed to hint that, who knows, Mitt “may” have been with his father in “secret” talks during his trip to North Viet-Nam!

The truth, of course, is quite different.

In 1965, around the time of the large build-up of troops in the South, Governor George Romney went with a large delegation of elected officials to South Viet-Nam, where they were briefed by American military and diplomatic officials of the Johnson Administration, including the commander, Gen’l Westmoreland. Romney had publicly supported the war effort, and continued to do so for a period of time thereafter.

By 1967, however, the significant escalation of our involvement there had resulted in a huge build-up to an ultimate high of around 567,000 troops stationed there, American casualties were mounting at alarming levels, there was heavy bombing of populated areas and ports in the North, and the war was becoming more and more unpopular with the American people.

During the summer of 1967, Governor Romney was the front runner in polls for the Republican nomination, but he did a television interview in which he said that he had been subjected to “the greatest brainwashing anyone could get” by those diplomatic and military officials in Saigon during that ’65 trip, that he had lost faith in the American war effort, and no longer believed it was necessary for us to have become involved there in the first place.

The “brainwashing” comment was obviously a very unwise characterization. Romney dropped rather dramatically in the polls soon thereafter, and he dropped out of the race before his campaign ever really got started. Richard Nixon got the nomination, Johnson withdrew after New Hampshire, and left the “spoils” to eventually fall to Vice-President Humphrey. Nixon eventually won a very narrow victory, promising to end the war with honor.

Of course, we now also know with the perspective of history (and his admission years later in his book, “In Retrospect”) that Johnson’s Sec’y of Defense, Robert McNamara, had concluded by the ’67 time frame that there indeed was no chance of us militarily “winning” in Viet-Nam — that the war of attrition the North and the Viet-Cong were waging against us in the south would prevent a victory, and would continue to cost us dearly in lives. McNamara also wrote that Westmoreland had been wrong in his earlier assessments.

So, while George Romney may well have been correct in many ways in his assessment about the prospects of that highly divisive war, his comments in that ’67 interview constituted a political blunder that probably cost him the nomination.

For a few years afterward, thousands of young Americans were drafted, and sent into that conflict that McNamara knew could not eventually be won at the time he was escalating it! I know. I was one of them. I spent December of ’69 and all of 1970 in Viet-Nam.

Your fanciful story in your comment above, however, is complete garbage, and an insult to anyone who cares even the slightest bit about the truth.

Trochilus on June 8, 2012 at 10:42 PM

No of course not.

But many people have no idea that Romney is tied to Communism and he loved it at age 22.

How is he tied to communism? Again, if we assume your story is true then the tie is serving as a translator for his father one time decades ago. That is literally nothing so I’m hoping there’s something else that I’ve missed.

It is a bit better known that he was always for the furtherst left candidate in each election Tsongas for example

That is not better known because it is patently false. Romney supported Bush over Kerry in 2004. There, you’re wrong. Demonstrably so. Or is it your contention Bush is to the left of Kerry.

and he actually ran to the left of Teddy Kennedy who was too far Right for Romney.

You’re going to need to back that up with contextual quotations. On which issues was Romney the same as Kennedy and on which ones was Kennedy more to the right?

His actions as Governor were eerily similar to Obamas first year except Romney got Gay Marriage and Cap and Trade into law.

Again you’re rewriting history and lying. Romney didn’t “get” gay marriage; the Massachusetts Supreme Court ruled the state had to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples and Romney, his hands tied, complied with the court order. Were you trying to mislead everyone on purpose or did you just not know any better?

He is also a self proclaimed Progressive.

Finally something true. I for one welcome people who’ve seen the light and abandoned progressivism.

If you do not know that is what label the Communist started using after McCarthy made it well known what the USSR and China actually did to the people (genocide).

And you follow up your stumbling backwards into the truth by dragging out a red herring argument and expecting it to carry weight. The term progressive was used in politics in this country long before McCarthy. Mitt wasn’t trying to copy the communists.

There is nothing in his record as Governor that did anything but help the Communist Progressive movement.

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Aside from balancing the budget, he managed to sneak a couple Republicans on the bench, he vetoed in-state tuition for illegals, supported merit-based pay for teachers and vetoed a bill to jack up the minimum wage that would have hurt business. Pure communism right there.

alchemist19 on June 8, 2012 at 11:28 PM

I should also note that Mormons believe that Christ will install the United Order when he comes. Many believe we can help by installing it here first including the founder Joseph Smith. This is Communism.

That said this is not Official Church Doctrine. But a large number of the most elite in the church hold to it.

Romney could falsely think if he gets Communism he will be helping GOD.

Steveangell on June 8, 2012 at 9:45 PM

“Romney could”? Could? Freaking COULD?

So translated into English, you have no clue about that so you’re just going to treat it like it’s a realistic possibility because it jives with your preconceived notions.

Are you just all butthurt over the primaries not going your way or something?

alchemist19 on June 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM

alchemist19 on June 8, 2012 at 11:28 PM

alchemist19 on June 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Though I hesitate to put myself in the position of speaking for what I believe are the general sentiments of the community of this thread, I do feel that I would be somewhat remiss if I did not take this moment and extend to you my hearty congratulations for actually taking the time to wade through his several piles of rubbish, and respond to each of them accordingly.

And, not only did you do so in a precise manner, but you did it with all alacrity!

Well done sir! Well done!

Trochilus on June 9, 2012 at 12:19 AM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/photo-exclusive-when-george-romney-met-saul-alins
This
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romneys-new-hispanic-leadership-chair-we-ne
I will find more tomarrrow

Steveangell on June 9, 2012 at 1:42 AM

So you lied before when you said Romney always supports the furthest left candidate and you lied again when you said we shouldn’t hold the son accountable for the sins of the father and came back and posted photographs of George Romney (i.e.: NOT Mitt Romney) meeting with Saul Alinsky.

Well, at least you’re consistent about something.

alchemist19 on June 9, 2012 at 2:15 AM

Trochilus on June 9, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Thanks. It’s not difficult to logically deconstruct and poke holes in what he thinks but there’s enough wrong there that it does take time to hit it all so it’s nice to know it’s not all for naught.

alchemist19 on June 9, 2012 at 2:19 AM

They should start referring to Barry as a “Space Cadet“.

Back in the 70′s that’s what you called the buzzed out Choomskys wandering around the oil rigs without a fricken clue. And so mindlessly clueless that they were just walking accidents, and always looking for their next toke.

Ogabe on June 9, 2012 at 2:19 AM

Thank you. Will do. :-)

Resist We Much on June 8, 2012 at 8:21 PM

A perfect reaction, as I expected from you, a person who is smart, funny, fun, not wimpy nor passive, who likes Jerry Reed and the Sex Pistols – women sexier than you do not and cannot exist! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on June 9, 2012 at 5:16 AM

Steveangell on June 9, 2012 at 1:42 AM

You really are pathetic, aren’t you?

I confronted you for having posted absolutely disingenuous and unsupported garbage here about former Governor George Romney having had a supposed fascination with North Viet-Nam; having secretly met with officials of that country in France; and then further alleging that George Romney then secretly traveled to North Viet-Nam, while the United States was at war during the mid-’60s. And for good measure, you even hinted that Mitt may have gone with him on that trip to North Vietnam — though you admitted you were not sure about that!

There was more rubbish in your post, but it really isn’t worth going into at any length. You posted that garbage here, and I responded to you accordingly.

Your latest response to me was to post a link to old photographs purporting to show that George Romney ONCE met with Saul Alinsky in Rochester, NY. And, you added another link to a post on Buzz-Feed having nothing at all to do with Viet-Nam, but instead related exclusively to Carlos Gutierrez.

In the meantime, alchemist19 on June 8, 2012 at 11:28 PM and alchemist19 on June 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM, very accurately and thoroughly performed a complete take-down on another series of your dishonest and fanciful comments on this thread.

So, even though you have promised that you would “find more tomarrow [sic]“, it is very clear to me and to others that you are motivated by a desire to continue mindlessly and quite dishonestly attacking Mitt Romney — even to the point of making up allegations about his father.

Well, congratulations! You’ve proven that you are perfectly willing to make irrelevant and conspiratorial-sounding “connections” between persons in the past and murky events, many of which never took place!

All you really seem to really have going for you is a nasty imagination.

Gee, I guess if I were you, I’d go over and try to peddle that crap to the Obama campaign. They’re always looking for your brand of garbage to fling around, hoping that someone out there is too stupid to get the difference between fact and fantasy.

Trochilus on June 9, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Steveangell on June 9, 2012 at 1:42 AM

The time has arrived for you to make a choice. There is no arguing this point. Choose.

Bmore on June 9, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Bmore on June 9, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Hmmmm . . . looks like the research session and promised “report back” — Steveangell on June 9, 2012 at 1:42 AM — came up empty.

No surprise there. His “tomarrow” was yesterday.

“It isn’t what we don’t know that gives us trouble, it’s what we know that ain’t so.”

— Will Rodgers

Trochilus on June 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM

All you really seem to really have going for you is a nasty imagination.

Gee, I guess if I were you, I’d go over and try to peddle that crap to the Obama campaign. They’re always looking for your brand of garbage to fling around, hoping that someone out there is too stupid to get the difference between fact and fantasy.

Trochilus on June 9, 2012 at 10:16 AM

You gentlemen are doing a man’s work today, refuting what is an absolute lie, and not even a good one.. George went to North Vietnam on a secret mission,.. and maybve, (can’t be sure.. snuck this in so the complete lie wasn’t toooo obvious) took Mitt with him and Mitt just wuuved communism… because I just like know it and sh*t..

You can’t read this stuff and not roll your eyes.. nearly every link comes from the progressive shill Ben Smith’s Buzzfeed…. A left wing site out to stir up dissent within the rank and file right by printing rumors and half truths.. his link showing George meeting Alinski (once) and playing it up into a supposed relationship which has never been proven..

He plays the concern troll then jumps straight into Mitt is worser than Satan rants.. worse even than Obama… shudder.. so,.. sigh,.. maybe we ought ta stick with.. ya know..

oh.. but I attacked Obama too, so don’t you dare question my good intentions..

yeah.. you lead everyone with a huge pile of make believe to an obvious implication that maybe ujust maybe… Obama ain’t as bad as that MITT..(LIGHTNING FLASH.. CRASH OF THUNDER..) ROMNEY..

You are not convincing anyone Steve.. no one is buying this.. a few disgruntled diehard Paul fans.. a couple from the other camps listen because they want to believe Mitt is Satan..

But this is nothing but trash, Mitt is going to be the nominee,.. either vote yea or nay.. but it’s not going to change.. piling this pile of lies and distortions on is just doing the work of the Obama campaign.

mark81150 on June 11, 2012 at 2:31 PM

mark81150 on June 11, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Appreciate it . . . we’ll bookmark the link.

Steveangell will show up on more current threads here at HotAir and elsewhere, and he’ll keep trying to peddle more of these steamers from his rancid sack of lies.

We’ll just link back here to prove his M.O.

Trochilus on June 12, 2012 at 12:04 PM

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