Issa to Holder on F&F: “You are not a good witness”

posted at 4:01 pm on June 7, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Earlier this week, House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa revealed that he had acquired new evidence supporting his claim that senior DOJ officials were well aware of the gunwalking occuring as part of the (not-”botched”) operation known as Fast & Furious. This morning, the House Judiciary Committee brought Attorney General Eric Holder in to testify regarding the new evidence.

Chairman Lamar Smith opened his remarks with Fast and Furious, saying the Department of Justice has not provided enough information about the operation that has left hundreds dead in Mexico and at least one U.S. federal agent, Brian Terry, dead. Smith berated the Justice Department for its failure to comply with Congressional subpoenas that “may shed light on why this program was authorized and who had knowledge of the inappropriate tactics.” …

“Fast and Furious was a mid-level, regional investigation,” Holder said. “Mr. Weinstein and Mr. Breuer did not know about the tactics being used in Fast and Furious until the beginning of last year.”

When asked about whether his senior officials in the Justice Department had simply read the wiretap applications, Holder responded by saying his top officials did not read the affidavits and the details of what was in the Fast and Furious wiretaps while trying to talk his way around the questions asked.

“Mr. Attorney General, you are not a good witness. Good witnesses answer the question,” Issa said. …

“A reasonable person would only come to the conclusion that senior members of the department of Justice knew about gunwalking tactics in Fast and Furious,” Rep. Jason Chaffetz said.

Lanny Breuer, by the way, is the Assistant Attorney General of the DOJ’s criminal division — a.k.a., one of Holder’s lieutenants. Chairman Issa said wiretap applications were signed by Mr. Breuer.

Chairman Issa was visibly frustrated; for just a taste of how contentious things got, here’s a clip (h/t Right Scoop) of Issa trying to grill holder while being continually interrupted by his scolding colleagues (and you can quit it with the smarm, Holder):

Besides the entertainment value, the real gist of that clip is that the DOJ has at least 140,000 documents relating to Fast & Furious, but have decided to only produce 7,600. What is it, sirs, that you’re so keen on hiding, exactly?

Among other run-arounds, Holder tried to use the tactical precedent set by the “previous administration” (really?) and insisted that all of the gunwalking programs were merely “flawed in concept and execution.” Here’s a particularly damning exchange with Rep. Chaffetz:

In summary, Eric Holder is still trying to deny that senior DOJ officials had any hand in Operation Fast & Furious, while he continues to stonewall, alter his story, and ignore the Congressional subpoena. As Rep. Gosar tweeted,

 

Woops: I initially only wrote the Lanny Breuer was the Assistant Attorney General, rather than the Assistant Attorney General of the criminal division; clarification added above!


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He’d make a good inmate though.

wildcat72 on June 7, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Hopefully he will be in prison after 0 loses…

OmahaConservative on June 7, 2012 at 4:05 PM

File the contempt charge and impeach his sorry ass. NOW.

dogsoldier on June 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Hopefully he will be in prison after 0 loses…

OmahaConservative on June 7, 2012 at 4:05 PM

There is no question that Holder will get a pardon from Hussein on his way out the door. The only way this scumbag will be brought to justice is if a state or states bring charges against him for conspiracy to commit murder.

wildcat72 on June 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM

In response to 2nd clip:

Ruh-ROh Shaggy!

cajun carrot on June 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM

If he were convicted before Obama loses the election… I wonder if he’d get a pardon.

Ukiah on June 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Clearly, Issa is a racist.

/

UltimateBob on June 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Eric Holder’s lawyer should be fired.

logis on June 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM

I have to give Issa and bunch credit of keeping on this issue. It seems they might not get anyplace, but it is now before the public again?

I don’t think holder will be going anyplace, he has way too much krap on bho/mo/jarrett/etc?
L

letget on June 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM

..that said, I am kinda with Greta Van Sustern on this one. This has been going on for over two years now. Maybe start slapping contempt charges on some of the lower echelon clowns, have them start serving some slam times, and maybe Holder and the big cheeses will come around.

Wants me some blood on the arena sand, me does.

The War Planner on June 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM

GAWD DAMBIT ISSA, IMPEACH HIM!!

nobar on June 7, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Coward

CTSherman on June 7, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Chaffetz was on Greta last night and she really laid the wood to him about the failure of the committee to force Holder’s compliance. She kept emphasizing that after a year and a half, Issa et al are still getting rolled by Holder and are not forcing him to comply via contempt of Congress.

a capella on June 7, 2012 at 4:12 PM

We can cover half the federal deficit by auctioning the rights to Holder’s ass in prison.

Archivarix on June 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Arrogance is understandable in someone who is very good at his job.
Holder isn’t good at his.

TimBuk3 on June 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM

The real point is what all this contempt of congress by Holder says about Obama. Holder is his man and he has allowed this stonewalling, this non- accountability and this outrageous contempt of Congress. Congress should go after Obama and impeach this miscreant.

Chessplayer on June 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM

enough pu$$y footing around with this guy. He is a waste of time, he needs to be removed from office. He is stonewalling you guys and merely daring you to fire him and hold him in contempt. The tactic he is using is similar to what the Taliban do in Afghanistan—they wait you out. He knows that Issa is impatient, and he doesn’t care. Either Issa will move on, or eventually this’ll blow over. All Eric has to do is to just keep tap dancing and turning the record on the turntable simultaneously.

ted c on June 7, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Quit screwing around and nail these bastards. They are going to call you racist no matter what you do or not do. Take a lesson from Walker, do the correct thing. I am really beginning to get pissed off

retiredeagle on June 7, 2012 at 4:16 PM

So what are they going to do about it…?

NeoKong on June 7, 2012 at 4:16 PM

wildcat72 on June 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM

I’m not an attorney, but, it is my understanding that a pardon eliminates the witness’s ability to hide behind the 5th, because immunity has been granted, thus forcing true testimony under threat of perjury. I might be wrong on this. Would welcome comment from someone with legal training.

a capella on June 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM

There is no question that Holder will get a pardon from Hussein on his way out the door. The only way this scumbag will be brought to justice is if a state or states bring charges against him for conspiracy to commit murder.

wildcat72 on June 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Disbarment would help as well, at least to keep him from doing more damage.

slickwillie2001 on June 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM

..that said, I am kinda with Greta Van Sustern on this one. This has been going on for over two years now. Maybe start slapping contempt charges on some of the lower echelon clowns, have them start serving some slam times…

The War Planner on June 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM

…THERE YOU GO! DO IT!

KOOLAID2 on June 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM

File the contempt charge and impeach his sorry ass. NOW.

dogsoldier on June 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM

F**kin’ A.

The Rogue Tomato on June 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM

The Hill is reporting Issa has a mole at the DOJ. Hopefully the reason this is being drug out is to his protecting his informant.

antipc on June 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Like trying to nail jello to a wall. The whole d*mn administration.

LetsBfrank on June 7, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Issa to Holder on F&F: “You are not a good witness”

…should have said…YOU LIE…!!!…P O S!

KOOLAID2 on June 7, 2012 at 4:19 PM

There is no question that Holder will get a pardon from Hussein on his way out the door. The only way this scumbag will be brought to justice is if a state or states bring charges against him for conspiracy to commit murder.

wildcat72 on June 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM

One cannot be pardoned for a crime that one has not been charged with (Richard Nixon notwithstanding).

If Issa is smart, and he is, he will not seek any indictments against Holder until after the election is over.

There are most definitely very serious crimes here and Holder is running interference for someone.

(We all know who, too)

turfmann on June 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Chaffetz was on Greta last night and she really laid the wood to him about the failure of the committee to force Holder’s compliance. She kept emphasizing that after a year and a half, Issa et al are still getting rolled by Holder and are not forcing him to comply via contempt of Congress.

a capella on June 7, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Yeah, I’m not understanding that either. Is the GOP afraid of being accused of an election year stunt? Either @#$% or get off the pot! If they’re not gonna do anything about this now, when the hell are they going to? When Holder’s no longer the attorney general next January?

Doughboy on June 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM

I believe the Republicans should tell Holder he doesn’t have to testify but he does need to not destroy any of the evidence. When January rolls around, Romney needs to clean house at the Justice Department and get rid of the crooks that ran this operation and accumulate all the evidence.

bflat879 on June 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM

With the mountain of support we have seen against Obama and his puppets (WI. results, Romney polling in blue states, etc), the time is now to grind the axe —tired of the posturing and lying— how much more evidence do we need!! CHOP TIME.

hillsoftx on June 7, 2012 at 4:22 PM

There is no question that Holder will get a pardon from Hussein on his way out the door. The only way this scumbag will be brought to justice is if a state or states bring charges against him for conspiracy to commit murder.

wildcat72 on June 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM

You can’t pardon a dead man.

Look, its real easy to connect the really big dots here.

Arming Mexicans Illegally is Treason, as in arming, aiding and abetting the enemies of the United States.

Treason is a hangable offense.

Hang him.

The NEXT witness will be much more ameniable to talking.

orbitalair on June 7, 2012 at 4:22 PM

There is no question that Holder will get a pardon from Hussein on his way out the door. The only way this scumbag will be brought to justice is if a state or states bring charges against him for conspiracy to commit murder.

wildcat72 on June 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM


Maybe the Mexicans can come through…

affenhauer on June 7, 2012 at 4:22 PM

One cannot be pardoned for a crime that one has not been charged with (Richard Nixon notwithstanding).

If Issa is smart, and he is, he will not seek any indictments against Holder until after the election is over.

There are most definitely very serious crimes here and Holder is running interference for someone.

(We all know who, too)

turfmann on June 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM

What if little Bammie provides numbnuts Holder (and many others) with blank Oval Office stationery with his signature on it to write his own pardon?

You know he would.

slickwillie2001 on June 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM

At least they’re finally doing their jobs up there.

Should be even more contentious and aggressive.

What they did with Fast and Stupid should end with them in prison.

fatlibertarianinokc on June 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Chaffetz was on Greta last night and she really laid the wood to him about the failure of the committee to force Holder’s compliance. She kept emphasizing that after a year and a half, Issa et al are still getting rolled by Holder and are not forcing him to comply via contempt of Congress.

a capella on June 7, 2012 at 4:12 PM

And there’s the problem. Issa loves to moan and wail about how Holder isn’t complying but does nothing to induce him to. Holder gives him the finger every chance he gets because he knows Issa won’t do anything. And let’s face it, he hasn’t.

This whole episode will go nowhere until charges are filed and people are threatened with jail. Until then Issa is just pissing in the wind, and criminals go unpunished.

2lbsTest on June 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Wow!

Erika’s not wasting any time establishing her conservative pit bull bona fides.

I mean that in the nicest possible way, of course.

Akzed on June 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM

There is no question that Holder will get a pardon from Hussein on his way out the door. The only way this scumbag will be brought to justice is if a state or states bring charges against him for conspiracy to commit murder.

wildcat72 on June 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM

How will he get a pardon from The Won if he’s indicted after The Won gets evicted? Don’t think he can be pardoned for some crime that he’s not been convicted of yet.

Oldnuke on June 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM

The Hill is reporting Issa has a mole at the DOJ. Hopefully the reason this is being drug out is to his protecting his informant.

antipc on June 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Anyone with any integrity and a conscience should be reporting this to Congress and the media (if there was an unbiased one).

kim roy on June 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM

I would say to Mr. Issa and Mr. Gosar, when are you guys going to quit playing footsies with Holder and get after the Contempt citation?

TulsAmerican on June 7, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Try this on for spin…

Holder Claims Emails Using Words ‘Fast and Furious’ Don’t Refer to Operation Fast and Furious…

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/holder-claims-emails-using-words-fast-and-furious-don-t-refer-operation-fast-and

**eyeroll*

Resist We Much on June 7, 2012 at 4:28 PM

“I have superior knowledge”

Then, please, by all means share it, Mr. Attorney General.

juanito on June 7, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Wow!

Erika’s not wasting any time establishing her conservative pit bull bona fides.

I mean that in the nicest possible way, of course.

Akzed on June 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Agreed. She is a great addition to HA…

OmahaConservative on June 7, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Anyone with any integrity and a conscience should be reporting this to Congress and the media (if there was an unbiased one).

kim roy on June 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Anyone with integrity would not be a part of this administration.

Oldnuke on June 7, 2012 at 4:29 PM

At the end of that second video, did Holder really say, “I have superior knowledge”?

AubieJon on June 7, 2012 at 4:30 PM

At the end of that second video, did Holder really say, “I have superior knowledge”?

AubieJon on June 7, 2012 at 4:30 PM

KHAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!

Doughboy on June 7, 2012 at 4:32 PM

At the end of that second video, did Holder really say, “I have superior knowledge”?

AubieJon on June 7, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Yes, he did. With all the arrogance he could muster.

Joe Mama on June 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM

If he were convicted before Obama loses the election… I wonder if he’d get a pardon.

Ukiah on June 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM

There is no way that anyone could get a conviction of Holder in 5 months.

Someone said something about state or states going after Holder for conspiracy. Another potential avenue is Mexico. While Holder has diplomatic immunity now, I am not sure if that immunity would carry over after he leaves office.

From what I’ve heard, Holder is suffering from clinical depression and has wanted to leave, but Obama will not let him because of the appearance it would have going into the election. How stupid is that? If Holder wanted to gracefully leave, Obama would be a damn fool not to let him. He is nothing but a huge negative….except for ginning up voter fraud in November….so, maybe, that explains it.

Resist We Much on June 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM

From what I’ve heard, Holder is suffering from clinical depression and has wanted to leave, but Obama will not let him because of the appearance it would have going into the election. How stupid is that? If Holder wanted to gracefully leave, Obama would be a damn fool not to let him. He is nothing but a huge negative….except for ginning up voter fraud in November….so, maybe, that explains it.

Resist We Much on June 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM

It’s more likely Obama is tied to F&F and Holder is covering for Obama.

The Rogue Tomato on June 7, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Pretty powerful when Issa slams down all the wiretaps from BEFORE BRIAN TERRY WAS GUNNED DOWN, repeating those words with each thud of the documents. Holder is a national embarrassment and needs to be removed BEFORE the election, not after.

stout77 on June 7, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Impeach the S.O.B.

That will keep him busy investigating SOMETHING for the next five months, since he doesn’t seem to be busy doing anything else.

Sort of like Obama…too busy fundraising to actually pay attention to the US.

ProfShadow on June 7, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Even if Dear Liar pardons him, it doesn’t work for the 200 murdered Mexicans Holder is an accessory to. Extradite to Mexico, let him spend time in a Mexican prison.

rbj on June 7, 2012 at 4:40 PM

wildcat72 on June 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM
I’m not an attorney, but, it is my understanding that a pardon eliminates the witness’s ability to hide behind the 5th, because immunity has been granted, thus forcing true testimony under threat of perjury. I might be wrong on this. Would welcome comment from someone with legal training.

a capella on June 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM

True. (although it’s been a few decades since I was a student law clerk at DOJ).

Immunity would not cover any subsequent perjury, so Holder would have to tell the truth when questioned. If he refused to testify, he could be held in contempt and jailed until he did.

If Obama pardoned him, then Holder could implicate Obama. If Obama doesn’t pardon him, Holder might (though I think it unlikely) that he’d cut a deal to implicate Obama. Obama comes out of the Chicago machine, where people don’t talk. (Heard much from Rezko or Blago? They know what might happen to them if they did.)

So Holder is between a rock and a hard place, hoping that Obama gets re-elected, and this is all history (or the statute of limitations has run) by 1/20/17.

This week has just been full of schadenfreude. Heh.

Wethal on June 7, 2012 at 4:41 PM

I think the issue should be elevated for the campaign but I don’t think I want to see a contempt citation. It might back for and people might sympathize with Obama and Holder. The best way to be rid of them both comes in November.

echosyst on June 7, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Impeach the S.O.B…

ProfShadow on June 7, 2012 at 4:38 PM

You know what the first words out of numbnuts trap will be, right?

Lynching!

Can the Republicans withstand that kind of full assault from the liberal media? What will that do to Governor Romney’s numbers, which is what really matters?

slickwillie2001 on June 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Per the US Constitution, convictions arriving from impeachment cannot be pardoned.

Ergo, if Holder is impeached by the House, Obama cannot pardon him until it becomes immaterial.

Issa may be delaying on this because if an impeachment case went to the Senate right now, Holder would most likely walk.

Scott H on June 7, 2012 at 4:43 PM

I hope they don’t bring charges until Jan 21,2013 so bo can,t pardon him and he does hard time for being a lying coward.

tim c on June 7, 2012 at 4:43 PM

How will he get a pardon from The Won if he’s indicted after The Won gets evicted? Don’t think he can be pardoned for some crime that he’s not been convicted of yet.

Oldnuke on June 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Yes, he can. See Ford’s pardon of Nixon.

Wethal on June 7, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Coward
CTSherman on June 7, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Cloward, too,

(as in Cloward-Piven)

LegendHasIt on June 7, 2012 at 4:44 PM

We are either a nation of laws…

… or we are not.

Seven Percent Solution on June 7, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Issa and Pubs. are cowards. All talk all the time. They never do a damn thing except put on dog and pont shows. Either put some folks in jail NOW or quit this charade. It ain’t rocket science.

they lie on June 7, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Per the US Constitution, convictions arriving from impeachment cannot be pardoned.

Ergo, if Holder is impeached by the House, Obama cannot pardon him until it becomes immaterial.

Issa may be delaying on this because if an impeachment case went to the Senate right now, Holder would most likely walk.

Scott H on June 7, 2012 at 4:43 PM

That’s very interesting. The pardon Holder needs then would be for any subsequent criminal prosecution by a GOP administration.

Wethal on June 7, 2012 at 4:48 PM

It’s more likely Obama is tied to F&F and Holder is covering for Obama.

The Rogue Tomato on June 7, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Quite possibly, but my sources on the clinical depression are pretty good. Of course, it could be both. He’s never struck me as a particularly happy person. In fact, I’ve always felt that he was quite bitter and morose. I’ve no doubt that he wishes this would go away so that he could get back to suing Texas, Arizona, and Florida and looking at ways of helping the NBPP and indicting George Zimmerman. He just doesn’t have time for silly things like hearings concerning F&F. /s

Resist We Much on June 7, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Find Holder in contempt and see how he does then! The witness seems to get the better of exchanges because he is a wise ass! Like Conyers!

tomshup on June 7, 2012 at 4:49 PM

I’m in the ‘hang ‘em now’ camp, too .. But … Perhaps the pu$$y-footing is precisely aimed at having NOTHING for Zero to pardon when he leaves ? Get him/them later ???
I can actually imagine that as wisdom, as frustrating as this is.

pambi on June 7, 2012 at 4:53 PM

I’m not an attorney, but, it is my understanding that a pardon eliminates the witness’s ability to hide behind the 5th, because immunity has been granted, thus forcing true testimony under threat of perjury. I might be wrong on this. Would welcome comment from someone with legal training.

a capella on June 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM

A presidential pardon would preclude the witness from taking the 5th as to testimony regarding the elements of the federal offense he was charged or convicted of. However, if that same testimony could also be used to establish a completely separate offense, as in accessory to murder or some other state crime, the witness would be entitled to assert the 5th and refuse to testify accordingly.

TXUS on June 7, 2012 at 4:54 PM

It’s more likely Obama is tied to F&F and Holder is covering for Obama.

The Rogue Tomato on June 7, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Perhaps someone is tied to it that little Bammie can’t give up, like Valerie Jarrett.

slickwillie2001 on June 7, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Per the US Constitution, convictions arriving from impeachment cannot be pardoned.

Ergo, if Holder is impeached by the House, Obama cannot pardon him until it becomes immaterial.

Issa may be delaying on this because if an impeachment case went to the Senate right now, Holder would most likely walk.

Scott H on June 7, 2012 at 4:43 PM

It would be interesting to see which Repubes would actually vote to convict in the Senate if the House did impeach.

rotorjoe on June 7, 2012 at 5:00 PM

A good idea, but flawed in concept and execution?

Well, what else is there to a plan? You think it, then you do it. If you thought it bad, and did it bad, IT’S A BAD IDEA.

The Schaef on June 7, 2012 at 5:00 PM

A presidential pardon would preclude the witness from taking the 5th as to testimony regarding the elements of the federal offense he was charged or convicted of. However, if that same testimony could also be used to establish a completely separate offense, as in accessory to murder or some other state crime, the witness would be entitled to assert the 5th and refuse to testify accordingly.

TXUS on June 7, 2012 at 4:54 PM

That makes sense; would it cover a civil proceeding against Holder as well?

slickwillie2001 on June 7, 2012 at 5:01 PM

If enough Republicans in the Congress had spines they would stop screwing around and find this corrupt clown in contempt of Congress. These documents will never be produced as long as they continue to allow Holder to play this game. At some point soon Issa has to call for a vote on contempt. If there are Republicans who vote against it, they need primary challenges. If it is too late for primary challengers to enter the elections, then people should vote for their DEMOCRATIC opponents. It would at least serve as a lesson to future Republicans that you had better be faithful to your duty to protect the Congress or you will be kicked out by any means possible.

Reggie1971 on June 7, 2012 at 5:02 PM

I think the Terry family should file a wrongful death lawsuit against Holder on 1/21/13, the day after Romney is sworn in. It would be easier to get a verdict, no pardons possible, and if they win, they will have moral vindication, and Holder will have the distinction of joining the OJ Simpson club of un-convicted murders.

smellthecoffee on June 7, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Wethal: Perhaps. However, even if Obama does pardon him, I think an impeachment would overturn it.

Article II, Section 2: “… and [the President] shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”

IOW, even if Obama grants Holder a blanket pardon for anything done during his tenure, that cannot stop an Impeachment hearing. Otherwise, Pardons can be given for Cases of Impeachment before they happen, which does not appear to be in line with Article II, Section 2.

OTOH, Article II, Section 4 implies that only serving civil officers of the US Government can be Impeached. (Unfortunately, it does not state who cannot be Impeached, but only those that can.)

So, in effect, someone convicted by the Power of Impeachment is barred from holding any US Office (and by this I assume federal office), but no other penalty can be assigned to the conviction (Article I, Section 3). It does not prevent other prosecution in the justice system, but those prosecutions would be liable to pardons.

Scott H on June 7, 2012 at 5:02 PM

If enough Republicans in the Congress had spines they would stop screwing around and find this corrupt clown in contempt of Congress. These documents will never be produced as long as they continue to allow Holder to play this game. At some point soon Issa has to call for a vote on contempt. If there are Republicans who vote against it, they need primary challenges. If it is too late for primary challengers to enter the elections, then people should vote for their DEMOCRATIC opponents. It would at least serve as a lesson to future Republicans that you had better be faithful to your duty to protect the Congress or you will be kicked out by any means possible.

Correction: protect the Constitution.

Reggie1971 on June 7, 2012 at 5:03 PM

I have it here in black and white..

Holder..”I have superior knowledge”… which in a nutshell sums up the arrogance of Holder and the Obama crew of miscreants.

He really thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room.

and that dried up a**wipe Conyers should have been shipped off to Cuba with his communist loving colleagues years ago. He continuely interrupts and whines about the proper “respect” be shown to Holder… WHERE THE HELL WAS CONYERS RESPECT WHEN ASHCROFT WAS AG?………….. OR ANY REPUBLICAN ATTORNEY GENERAL?

These slimeball democrats have taken actual criminal activity by democrats and claimed it was just “business as usual, same as Bush did it”… without a shred of proof this was so.. in fact if they could have proven criminal activity, they would have had every republican involved indicted.

But when the other party is in the White House.. Conyers screechings for impeachment and his shrill insults, smears and false accusations are nonstop. Where is his desire for “respect” then?

He’s like Holder, both pure party ideologues without a shred of common sense or decency. Both hold weapons grade level amounts of ignorance coupled with blind arrogance. Holder is just a hireling,.. a waterboy for Obama… but Conyers?.. he’s been the lowest grade level of hardcore socialist,… working tirelessly to smear republicans and enrich his democrat cronies. The stack of charges that could be leveled against Conyers just for sheer malfeasance would crush the table they are sitting on.

If Holder ever gets his well deserved cell… if there is justice in this universe, Conyers would have the adjoining one.. with Maxine (Reagan sold crack in the inner city) Waters just across the Hall.

mark81150 on June 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM

File the contempt charge and impeach his sorry ass. NOW.

dogsoldier on June 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM

This. Even longtime democrat, Greta VanSusteren lambasted these guys for p*ssy-footing around with Holder. In essence she told Representative Chaffetz that Issa’s committee has dropped the ball on this and the American people, not to mention dead border agents’ families, deserve action on this travesty. I don’t know if she’d take the same tone with a dem, but, she wasn’t wrong in what she said.

totherightofthem on June 7, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Scott H on June 7, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Small self-correction. The Pardon would not apply to the Power of Impeachment. The Impeachment would not overturn the Pardon otherwise.

Scott H on June 7, 2012 at 5:08 PM

The gall this guy has. Claiming that documentation containing the words, in correct order and all together, “fast and furious” doesn’t refer to operation “Fast and Furious”. Does he think we’re all stupid? Arrogant pr!ck.

totherightofthem on June 7, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Conyers ain’t just an ideologue. He’s a racist, through and through. Period. Believe me, I’ve been listening to his crap for years in the Detroit area.

totherightofthem on June 7, 2012 at 5:11 PM

I believe the Republicans should tell Holder he doesn’t have to testify but he does need to not destroy any of the evidence. When January rolls around, Romney needs to clean house at the Justice Department and get rid of the crooks that ran this operation and accumulate all the evidence.

bflat879 on June 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Yer dreamin’.

“Evidence? What evidence?”
–Holder on his way out the door, Jan. 21 2013

iurockhead on June 7, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Akzed on June 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Erika is doing good work. I don’t understand why this story wasn’t in the headlines this morning though, with an intro and a link to a live stream. Then a follow-up to the hearing like this one to wrap.

The pace of the investigation has been slow, but Issa is being careful to touch all the bases and make no errors while building support for the inevitable confrontation. Holder can’t afford to comply. The evidence would result in immediate action to impeach and remove him. So this one goes to the courts, and Issa must have exhausted every possible means to obtain compliance and built unshakeable support in Congress first.

novaculus on June 7, 2012 at 5:14 PM

HOLD. HIM. IN. CONTEMPT. If you don’t, Issa then you are just a lily livered coward.

neyney on June 7, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Issa and Pubs. are cowards. All talk all the time. They never do a damn thing except put on dog and pont shows. Either put some folks in jail NOW or quit this charade. It ain’t rocket science.

they lie on June 7, 2012 at 4:48 PM

I might be entirely wrong about this… and it’s not to defend their lack of action.. but what if there is another ball in play here?

If Issa does have high level mole/moles in the Holder DOJ..

Could it be, they are putting together a bombshell package of subpenas Something powerful enough that the MSM cannot simply ignore or bury it any longer?, contempt charges and new evidence just in time for the summer?

And also… with the hundreds of Mexicans killed and their blood on Holders hands..

Why hasn’t Mexico charged him for mureder of Mexican nationals?

If a Canadian PM had done something similar.. ran guns to American street gangs resulting in hundreds of deaths.. we’d do that at least, if not actually send a spec ops team to bag and tag him for trail in the US. Where his status can’t save him from legal action…

Where is Mexico on this?

and why no comment?

mark81150 on June 7, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Hey Issa, time to cut the crap–contempt and cuffs, now!

stukinIL4now on June 7, 2012 at 5:18 PM

A related and interesting article on Drudge today discussing a possible mole within the D of J that is passing info to Issa. I would love to see Issa drop the hammer on Holder big time but I see this as a cat and mouse game. The average guy on the street still probably has not heard of Fast and Furious and that serves Holder well at this point. The Drudge article suggests that the mole passing sealed info to Issa is breaking the law. If Justice goes after this individual that puts Fast and Furious into a more public light. How does Holder prosecute a whistleblower publicly who is passing documents that Issa has already supoenaed? And if Holder chooses to do so how many Americans will suddenly ask ‘what is this Fast and Furious thing all about’? I would like to see Issa ride this out some more.

DaveDief on June 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM

The forms of Kanli must be obeyed.

J_Crater on June 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM

It’s becoming more and more apparent that Holder is incompetent, a liar, or both (the most likely choice).

sadatoni on June 7, 2012 at 5:35 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/07/holder-admits-axelrod-white-house-helped-justice-dept-craft-fast-and-furious-public-relations-strategy/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

D’OH!! Ruh Roh!!!

ted c on June 7, 2012 at 5:19 PM

What’s the motivation for doing that if Fast and Furious doesn’t trace back to Obama?

The Rogue Tomato on June 7, 2012 at 5:36 PM

How much longer is this farce going to continue before Holder is cited for contempt of Congress?

GarandFan on June 7, 2012 at 5:36 PM

The second clip is everything that is wrong in this country right now. He is being shown a picture of a dog, and he says “I have superior knowledge that it is a cat.” And NOBODY holds him to account for it. It is absolutely incredible that people can watch that and say “so what?”

CycloneCDB on June 7, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Obligatory F & F Post from The Unknown Comic:

I have no idea, but I do know that you guys come up with really cool names for your fake scandals.

crr6 on July 10, 2011 at 1:24 PM

No idea, indeed.

Del Dolemonte on June 7, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Okay, here’s a question for ya’ll. What would or could happen to regular citizens of the USA if we began a letter writing campaign to the powers that be in Mexico and encourage them to prosecute Eric Holder because we’re frustrated with our own goverments lack of follow thru other than threats? Who do we write to? And, would those letters be intercepted by our goverment and read? For my part, I’d be more than happy to supply copies to all the news outlets and the White House and Congress too. If we can’t prod them into doing their jobs then lets go around them and at least try to handle it ourselves. Could be worth a try???? What do you all think?? Maybe alittle shame is in order.

MONACO1121 on June 7, 2012 at 5:43 PM

…then you are just a lily livered coward.

neyney on June 7, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Yosemite Sam? Is that you?

CycloneCDB on June 7, 2012 at 5:44 PM

HOLD. HIM. IN. CONTEMPT. If you don’t, Issa then you are just a lily livered coward.

neyney on June 7, 2012 at 5:15 PM

They can’t.

That would be racist.

tetriskid on June 7, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Where is Mexico on this?

and why no comment?

mark81150 on June 7, 2012 at 5:15 PM

There have been some strongly worded statements re: F&F from Mexico, including the president himself, I believe….

visions on June 7, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Where is Mexico on this?

and why no comment?

mark81150 on June 7, 2012 at 5:15 PM

I don’t get that either. Why isn’t Mexico on the warpath? Why aren’t they camping in the UN Headquarters? Why aren’t they in the International Court? Doesn’t this come close to an internationally recognized act of war against Mexico?

slickwillie2001 on June 7, 2012 at 5:55 PM

The real point is what all this contempt of congress by Holder says about Obama. Holder is his man and he has allowed this stonewalling, this non- accountability and this outrageous contempt of Congress. Congress should go after Obama and impeach this miscreant.

Chessplayer on June 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM

It says the both a couple of liars, this thing goes past Holder right to Obama. The purpose of the whole thing was to kill the 2ed Amendment

Kat_man on June 7, 2012 at 5:55 PM

I don’t get that either. Why isn’t Mexico on the warpath? Why aren’t they camping in the UN Headquarters? Why aren’t they in the International Court? Doesn’t this come close to an internationally recognized act of war against Mexico?

slickwillie2001 on June 7, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Because if they scream, Obama deports all of the illegals back tomorrow and they have mass chaos on their hands. Their system cannot support the population they have – let alone another 11 million people.

CycloneCDB on June 7, 2012 at 5:56 PM

book’em dano

Pronto

cmsinaz on June 7, 2012 at 5:58 PM

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