Walker: If you make the tough choices, voters will stick with you

posted at 9:21 am on June 6, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Last night, Barack Obama asserted that Democrats and unions had sent “a strong message to Scott Walker,” but this morning the victorious Governor of Wisconsin sent a message right back.  After winning more votes in a recall election than he did in his original 2010 victory, Walker tells Fox and Friends that voters have proven that when an officeholder delivers on his promises and “takes on the tough challenges,” voters will reward him:


He said, “They [the voters] said loudly, not just in Wisconsin, but across the country, ‘If you do the right thing, if you make the tough choices, voters will stand with you.’”

He addressed the impact of his win on November’s presidential election, reiterating that voters have sent a distinct message that they mean it “when they say, ‘We want you to take on these tough challenges and not just play for what’s maybe temporarily popular in the polls.’”

Walker says that Wisconsin voters are tired of the recall efforts and want to get back to a normal life — which for him includes a Leinenkugel Honey Weiss or two, some brats on the grill, and perhaps a Harley ride around the state this summer.  But Walker also encourages Mitt Romney and his team to pick up where he and the state GOP have left off, because Wisconsin is in play in November — even if Barack Obama continues to immerse himself in fantasy about what really happened yesterday in the state.


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Leinenkugel – good beer, especially their berry weiss.

Anyhow, Ed, don’t know if you came across this piece of drek:

From Walter Shapiro via Yahoo News, who happens to also write for the New Republic – which speaks volumes…

What Scott Walker can teach Barack Obama

The Wisconsin governor survived the recall, but he could have avoided it altogether by trusting voters with the truth.

Basically Shapiro is still whining about Walker’s effort to reduce union control through his collective bargaining reform. Shapiro’s argument is that Walker lied to the populace to get elected in the first place by not telling them of his plans vis-a-vis public sector unions.

…For all Walker’s glib talk about leadership, a politician is doing things wrong when he becomes so polarizing a figure that he has to spend nearly $50 million to avoid being booted out of office after just 17 months. …

Of course, he ignores the money and effort that the unions and Dems spent – in far excess of Walker – to try and unseat him. The Hill claims that unions spent only around 10 million in the recall. It’d be interesting to find out exactly how much money the unions, DNC, liberals, etc. spent in that recall race.

Logus on June 6, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Can the tweets be tracked?

OmahaConservative on June 6, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Yes, they can. The question is, will they be tracked? I’m guessing, no.

Flora Duh on June 6, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Nonsense. Eric Holder and the DOJ will be on the case immediately…just as soon as they find out who authorized Fast and Furious, and as soon as they help OJ Simpson find “the real killer”.

SubmarineDoc on June 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Poor Walker will need protection every day of the rest of his life. Be a shame if something happened to him.

JoseQuinones on June 6, 2012 at 10:55 AM

[Governor Walker] said, “They [the voters] said loudly, not just in Wisconsin, but across the country, ‘If you do the right thing, if you make the tough choices, voters will stand with you.’”

Walker is 100% right here–he tackled a tough issue which was important for his state’s finances, which angered some people (the public employee unions), but achieved enough positive results in a year and a half that 1.33 million voters approved.

Wisconsin voters did send a message to Walker…for a job well done.
But this should also be a message to Romney, that HE needs to make tough choices on a national level. Walker knew what his state needed, campaigned on it in 2010, pushed it through in 2011 despite oopposition in Madison (but broad support elsewhere), and was rewarded in 2012.

The exit polls might have been skewed, but why did they predict a tie for Walker but a 9-point lead for Obama? Since Walker won by 7%, wouldn’t the same exit poll predict a 2-point win for Obama in Wisconsin? Shouldn’t Romney LEARN from Walker about what Wisconsin voters really want, then campaign on those issues to flip the 3% of voters Romney might need to win Wisconsin?

Steve Z on June 6, 2012 at 10:55 AM

I’m not sure how I feel about Walker appropriating the Forward message, literally on the podium and in his language. Maybe better to leave it to the Maoists and Obama.
bobs1196 on June 6, 2012 at 10:35 AM

FORWARD is our State Motto. Check our State Flag – you’ll see it. It’s been there since 1848. Walker is using Forward in its correct context for Wisconsin.

the_schmoo on June 6, 2012 at 10:55 AM

O/T but this is too funny not to share.

A Wisconsin man has “Vote For Anyone But Obama” engraved on his headstone and asks that memorials in his name be in the form of support for “whoever is running against Barack Obama.”

Source:

Flora Duh on June 6, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Archivarix: While I must admit to warming to Romney in the last few weeks, I do believe whether or not Romney receives a second term should depend on what he does with his first term, no?

No elected official in this country ‘deserves’ a second term in office before he has his first term in office.

Scott H on June 6, 2012 at 9:48 AM

You’ll have no argument from me on that, especially after the 2nd Bush term. But, by default, I would presume – hope, rather – that Romney won’t be so bad as to primary his ass outta WH.

Archivarix on June 6, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Governor Walker has to much class to gloat and rub the lib/Donk/unions face in their humiliating defeat.

Fortunately, I am no so constrained.

GLOAT.

Grab hair and smoosh faces in pile of moldy cheese.

Heh.

Bruno Strozek on June 6, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Hubby’s been talking about fleeing the People’s Republic of Illinois for Indiana. I’m not so thrilled about that but last night he said, “How about Wisconsin?”

Thank you, Scott Walker.

Fallon on June 6, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Nonsense. Eric Holder and the DOJ will be on the case immediately…just as soon as they find out who authorized Fast and Furious, and as soon as they help OJ Simpson find “the real killer”.

SubmarineDoc on June 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Dang, I was wrong.

The Milwaukee Police Department said that they and the Wisconsin Department of Justice are looking into death threats made against Governor Scott Walker the morning after he won a gubernatorial recall election. Source

Flora Duh on June 6, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Dang, I was wrong.

The Milwaukee Police Department said that they and the Wisconsin Department of Justice are looking into death threats made against Governor Scott Walker the morning after he won a gubernatorial recall election. Source

Flora Duh on June 6, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Thank God you were wrong. I feel a little better now…

OmahaConservative on June 6, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Thank God you were wrong. I feel a little better now…

OmahaConservative on June 6, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Yep, this is one time I’m very glad to have been proven wrrr, uh, wrrrr, er, wrrrroooonnnggg.

Flora Duh on June 6, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Scott Walker used ‘Forward’ slogan before Obama

Flora Duh on June 6, 2012 at 10:47 AM

I still wish he wouldn’t. The word has deep associations with Communism, Fascism, and Socialism.

Forward, March! – Marching Through Avanti, Vorwärts, вперед, 进, Adelante, Forward, Voorwaarts

Resist We Much on June 6, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Flora Duh on June 6, 2012 at 11:08 AM

I learned to take death threats seriously long, long ago after someone I was close to was killed…

OmahaConservative on June 6, 2012 at 11:21 AM

“Kill Scott Walker”: Angry libs flood Twitter with death threats after Wisconsin recall defeat

OmahaConservative on June 6, 2012 at 9:48 AM

State police guard the Governor, and I believe they are not greedy-union cops. I’m grateful for that.

slickwillie2001 on June 6, 2012 at 11:26 AM

I learned to take death threats seriously long, long ago after someone I was close to was killed…

OmahaConservative on June 6, 2012 at 11:21 AM

I’m sorry to hear that OC. Have you seen the new headline thread?

Flora Duh on June 6, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Enjoy!

Del Dolemonte on June 6, 2012 at 10:13 AM

That was funny, thanks.

Night Owl on June 6, 2012 at 11:28 AM

A cross-eyed geek? Pass.

inthemiddle on June 6, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Insults Sarah Jessica Parker.

ziggyville on June 6, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Yes, they can. The question is, will they be tracked? I’m guessing, no.

Flora Duh on June 6, 2012 at 10:16 AM

I’m hoping JB Van Hollen will look into them…

OmahaConservative on June 6, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Thank God you were wrong. I feel a little better now…

OmahaConservative on June 6, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Yep, this is one time I’m very glad to have been proven wrrr, uh, wrrrr, er, wrrrroooonnnggg.

Flora Duh on June 6, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Wrong? maybe so.. or simply misled because of the pattern of past behavior? If you have the same result 9 out of ten times.. it’s not wrong to believe the pattern will continue.

It’s refreshing to see the pattern broken.

Maybe this time.. the big mouths will feel the boot of the public.. and knock their gangsta wannabe crap off. College age punks with a big mouth.. and no clue about how a democratic Republic works. They loose and can’t be a man about it.

mark81150 on June 6, 2012 at 11:43 AM

What a fantastic morning. There is truly hope for this country.

Chuck Schick on June 6, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Somebody knock on Boehner’s tanning booth and mention this.

viking01 on June 6, 2012 at 12:06 PM

O/T but this is too funny not to share.

A Wisconsin man has “Vote For Anyone But Obama” engraved on his headstone and asks that memorials in his name be in the form of support for “whoever is running against Barack Obama.”

Source:

Flora Duh on June 6, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Flora Duh:Thanks for the linky,too funny!:)

canopfor on June 6, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Gov. Walker, when you have a 119% turnout in a voting district, something is deeply wrong. When you have people voting with only out of State drivers licenses, something is wrong. When in excess of 10,000 university students vote in two States and are registered as out of State students, something is wrong. I strongly suggest you put an immediate stop to this. Demand that the Lieutenant audit the vote and pass the results on the AG for immediate criminalization.

pat on June 6, 2012 at 12:12 PM

There is hope.

newportmike on June 6, 2012 at 12:14 PM

State police guard the Governor, and I believe they are not greedy-union cops. I’m grateful for that.

slickwillie2001 on June 6, 2012 at 11:26 AM

.
Maybe – just maybe – by removing the mandatory nature of union dues collection with the Public unions in this country, these employees will have the opportunity to realize that they really work for the taxpayers …. and not the power hungry union bosses.

There’s a concept.

FlaMurph on June 6, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Now Scott Walker is a politician I can look up to and admire. And his Lt. Gov. ain’t no slouch either. Congratulations to him. Why the h&!! isn’t he our republican candidate for President?!?. He’s what a true leader looks like and Romney could learn from him.

mozalf on June 6, 2012 at 12:21 PM

When you’re in the midst of a hysterical sobbing fit, you may want to refrain from posting until you can gather your thoughts.

antipc on June 6, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Pee’ing my pants laughing! Thanks!

katy the mean old lady on June 6, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Democrats and union thugs everywhere are consoling themselves with what they believe is The Only Poll That Counts: namely, that exit poll of exiting Democrats that showed Obama 11% ahead of Romney. Well, any port in a storm, I guess.

Scriptor on June 6, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Walker: If you make the tough choices, voters will stick with you

Very funny. Obama made tough choices in 2010 and the electorate kicked his party out of the house.

You did not make any touch choices you cheap puppet. You excused your corporate bundlers and laid off hard working public employees in order to redistrubtute wealth back to those bundlers. You lied to your constituents and turned them against each other. People are moving out of your state because they can no longet find work.

Unfortunately most Wisconsinites believed your lies and are willing to let you continue making their lives a living hell. It’s only a matter of time before people see through you.

Uppereastside on June 6, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Pres Obama hasn’t had a good election night since he himself was elected. You have Virginia and New Jersey governorships going to Republicans in 2009. Then Massachusetts Senate seat in 2010. Then the house in 2010. Then the 3 recalls in Wisconsin all republican victories. The momentum certainly favors republicans.

steel guy on June 6, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Are you listening Mitt? You’d better be.

neyney on June 6, 2012 at 12:50 PM

PJ Gladnick waded into the DU gene pool and checks in:

Normally the one DUmmie who tries to maintain a sense of equilibrium in the midst of bad news is Head DUmmie Skinner. But not this time. The CRUSHING defeat last night in the Wisconsin recall election was too much even for him as you can tell by the profane primal scream title of his THREAD, “F*CK.” Yes, as you can see Head DUmmie Skinner DUmmie loses it and, most entertainingly, so do the rest of the DUmmmies. So let us now watch0 the DUmmies go Primal Scream over the Wisconsin recall election results in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, harvesting the comedy gold DUFU nuggets generated by the recall, is in the [brackets]:

Enjoy!

Del Dolemonte on June 6, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Mmmm mmmm mmmm. The taste of liberal tears in the morning. Can’t beat it. Goes so well with the stench of flop sweat, desperation and failure.

Thank you so much, Wisconsin.

kim roy on June 6, 2012 at 12:53 PM

funny, the exit polls were really lousy, but the lsm will continue to use them showing dear leader with a big lead against mitt…why go there.

cmsinaz on June 6, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Now that Walker has led the way, Romney is piling on. Too bad he wouldn’t go near Wisconsin beforehand. When Romney takes the WH in November, we’re still going to have our work cut out for us – and I’m talking about the administration.

paul1149 on June 6, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Unfortunately most Wisconsinites believed your lies and are willing to let you continue making their lives a living hell.

Uppereastside on June 6, 2012 at 12:30 PM

18% of those Wisconsinites are Obama supporters.

Ain’t ya proud?

Flora Duh on June 6, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Very funny. Obama made tough choices in 2010 and the electorate kicked his party out of the house.

You did not make any touch choices you cheap puppet. You excused your corporate bundlers and laid off hard working public employees in order to redistrubtute wealth back to those bundlers. You lied to your constituents and turned them against each other. People are moving out of your state because they can no longet find work.

Unfortunately most Wisconsinites believed your lies and are willing to let you continue making their lives a living hell. It’s only a matter of time before people see through you.

Uppereastside on June 6, 2012 at 12:30 PM

What tough choices? Where to golf? Where to go on vacation? He had control of the WH, senate AND congress for TWO f’n years.

Let’s think about that. TWO YEARS OF FULL CONTROL.

And what did he do? He squandered all his affirmative action goodwill on a monstrosity called “Obamacare”.

So go take your whining elsewhere. Like most idiot liberals, you think people are too stupid/lazy to figure out what works for them and to vote appropriately. I guess that’s why you losers need unions and politicians to wipe your butts – because collectively liberals can’t do it and just assume that the rest of the population are the same.

You lost. Walker won. Live with it.

kim roy on June 6, 2012 at 1:01 PM

damn I am loving the collective meltdown of the lefties today.

tom daschle concerned on June 6, 2012 at 1:03 PM

You did not make any touch choices you cheap puppet. You excused your corporate bundlers and laid off hard working public employees in order to redistrubtute wealth back to those bundlers.
Uppereastside on June 6, 2012 at 12:30 PM

So a tough choice to a leftist pig like yourself is using the power of the police state to redistribute citizens hard earned tax money to your lazy-ass union thugs? Hard working my ass? The only time they work hard is when they are threatening the children of some GOP politician.

You realize that there are Americans still alive today that went to war against neocomms like you.

ClassicCon on June 6, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Walker would be an outcast in D.C. in the gop “leadership”.

THAT is a scary thought.

ROMNEY / WALKER 2012.

PappyD61 on June 6, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Uppereastside on June 6, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Public employees such as Teachers , City or county employees may have been laid off but for State employees (directly under SCott Walker control) not a one was laid off. Previously under Diamond Jim Doyle State employees had to take 30 days a year in Furlough days (unpaid days and unable to use vacation days a year). That stopped with Scott Walker.
So please get some more talking points from you dear leader that at least can be contrived as true. Right know you look like a cipher just like Tom Barrett who throws anythng out of his mouth w/o any resemblence to truth. In other word you look like an idiot.

Gracelynn on June 6, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Democracy in action –
though not the result I was hoping for.
Fair cause for elation for conservatives…and fair cause for disappointment and reflection for progressives.
If nothing else, Walker’s victory does save us having to hear non-stop whining about failed democracy, a rigged election, illegal voting, polling trickery, etc.
Conservatives/Right forget all that quickly when they win.
(Gawd knows what conspiracy theories we’d have to suffer today had Walker lost.)

verbaluce on June 6, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Gracelynn on June 6, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Excellent post again, darlin’
Glad you decided to stop lurking…

OmahaConservative on June 6, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Gov. Walker, when you have a 119% turnout in a voting district, something is deeply wrong. When you have people voting with only out of State drivers licenses, something is wrong. When in excess of 10,000 university students vote in two States and are registered as out of State students, something is wrong. I strongly suggest you put an immediate stop to this. Demand that the Lieutenant audit the vote and pass the results on the AG for immediate criminalization.

pat on June 6, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Tell you what, pat. Call Holder. He’ll get right on it along with the voter fraud he’s investigating in Chicago.

Oh wait..

….. never mind.

itsspideyman on June 6, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Speaking of tough choices, France reverted to the retirement-at-60.

Hey Germany, show them all a big finger.

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Conservatives/Right forget all that quickly when they win.
(Gawd knows what conspiracy theories we’d have to suffer today had Walker lost.)

verbaluce on June 6, 2012 at 1:12 PM

You mean those crazy theories that are backed up with factual events? Yeah, we are definitely the definition of the tinfoil hat crowd?

Next time find bigger trunks to fill up mystery ballots with…

ClassicCon on June 6, 2012 at 1:19 PM

pat on June 6, 2012 at 12:12 PM

itsspideyman on June 6, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Ha, guess I spoke too soon above.
Sore winners?
This might be where the thread starts veering into Breitbart.com territory…

verbaluce on June 6, 2012 at 1:20 PM

You did not make any touch choices you cheap puppet. You excused your corporate bundlers and laid off hard working public employees in order to redistrubtute wealth back to those bundlers.
Uppereastside on June 6, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Stop being delusional and making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Have a reality check.

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Jose@10:55 AM. Those cowardly threats were used to keep conservatives from the polls and didn’t work. What makes you think because you still threaten if you can’t get your way, it will work now? You talk like a bully who just got his butt stomped. “You may have whipped my butt, but I’ll get you back when you’re not looking. Same garbage, over and over.

volsense on June 6, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Walker: If you make the tough choices, voters will stick with you

Very funny. Obama made tough choices in 2010 and the electorate kicked his party out of the house.

You did not make any touch choices you cheap puppet. You excused your corporate bundlers and laid off hard working public employees in order to redistrubtute wealth back to those bundlers. You lied to your constituents and turned them against each other. People are moving out of your state because they can no longet find work.

Unfortunately most Wisconsinites believed your lies and are willing to let you continue making their lives a living hell. It’s only a matter of time before people see through you.

Uppereastside on June 6, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Buy a cup and man up.. the only lying in your post is your own. Working class people have see through your sides depth of deciet and distortion. Have seen the hypocrisy of your money men praised as the peoples champions while you sneer at the Koch brothers as evil for openly doing what your side does.. support the people they believe in..

only in lefty dreamland.. if you do the right thing and are a republican.. it’s a criminal act.

I hope you whine and cry yourself sick in your delusional hysteria. I hope you end up puking and have snot running out of your nose like a tap.. it just reinforces our view of the crybaby left.

Now when you’re done being a crybaby, maybe you’ll see the truth. That working class Wisconsin rejects the left’s lies and distorted twisted warped illusions.. they can see the results, see the economy rebounding, see the vile nasty things the left will do when it faces defeat. See the falsehoods hurled at Walker, see the death threats.. see the democrats who got their payoffs from the unions be exposed for the scum they are.

The lefts sins are laid out for everyone to see..

the people of our Republic have given you the boot as is their RIGHT to do so.

You can’t tantrum your way out of that.

mark81150 on June 6, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Walker: If you make the tough choices, voters will stick with you

Very funny. Obama made tough choices in 2010 and the electorate kicked his party out of the house.

You did not make any touch choices you cheap puppet. You excused your corporate bundlers and laid off hard working public employees in order to redistrubtute wealth back to those bundlers. You lied to your constituents and turned them against each other. People are moving out of your state because they can no longet find work.

Unfortunately most Wisconsinites believed your lies and are willing to let you continue making their lives a living hell. It’s only a matter of time before people see through you.

Uppereastside on June 6, 2012 at 12:30 PM

hmmm, let’s see what some of Kos Kiddies are saying today, shall we?

Public Employees got a whipping yesterday.. (2+ / 0-)

I support unions. I support collective bargaining. I do not support pensions for people retiring at age 50 with 70 to 90% of their last few years income for life. The contracts awarded to public employees over the years have become so lucrative that most of us in our late 50s that chose the private sector now look back and wish we had taken that low paying job as a fireman or cop way back in the late 70s. I have friends who retired at 52 from the probation department who made more money from his pension in the first three years after he retired than the total worth of my 401k after 30 years. I pay upwards of 15-20 grand a year in state and local taxes, this is not going down anytime soon. And I have friends who are making 60,70,80 and 100 grand or more a year for life because someone thought a fireman was a hero or that a cop’s job is really dangerous. Sorry folks, Walker addressed something deep down that the left needs to tap or this is going to be a national issue in 2012. Unions are great but they sometimes go too far. We better get on the renegotiation track as a platform or we will end up supporting the back end of a horse that is running away.

Do facts matter anymore?

by Sinan on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 06:39:35 AM PDT

The chances that the private sector (0+ / 0-)

are going to adopt the benefits of the public sector are remote, improbable at best. You tell me why a retired County Sheriff is worth 200 grand for life after spending 30 years on the job. That job in the private sector does not include a gaurantee for life of 200 grand plus health benefits. You say I am envious. You are right. While I have to keep working until I reach 67 to get a measly 2-3 grand a month for SS, many of my friends are padding their income with overtime, getting idiotic certificates to get more pay as firemen and looking at retiring with 80 to 120 grand a year for friggin life! All the time, I pay upwards of 20-30 grand a year minimum in state and local taxes so my neighbor can become the world’s best bondfisherman by age 57. Sorry, I am as liberal as you get but these contracts are a joke. Public sector jobs were not supposed to be this lucrative, that is why most of us boomers did not take them. But somewhere in the 90s, they got really good and the shit is hitting the fan about these contracts. I realize some of the workers in WI gave some dough back but the state is hurting and when that happens, its hard to sympathize with folks that have such sweet deals.

Do facts matter anymore?

by Sinan on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:10:21 AM PDT

Yup (0+ / 0-)

I also am as liberal as they come and I am outraged by the guaranteed and overly generous packages that some public employees are currently receiving.

The packages promised to public employees in CA is one of the principal fiscal problems and needs to be addressed before it bankrupts the state permanently.

by According to Fish on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:52:48 AM PDT

Exactly (0+ / 0-)

In live in Santa Barbara area and believe me, the retirement packages are insane. Jim Thomas retired as County Sheriff with 200 grand a year for life. Then he went back and got another pension doing some other job to get another pension plus the county hires him as a consultant. Its insane.

Most city and county firemen make close to 100 grand a year. Upon retirement, we are talking 70-90 grand a year for life! This is insane. That job is not that important. At most we get one or two house fires a month in Santa Barbara and Goleta. The forest fires are national lands, they are handled by the hot shots and Forest Services. Why exactly do we need this many stations and this many firemen? To chase ambulances? Wheel old people out of retirement homes on gurneys? Don’t get me started…

Do facts matter anymore?

by Sinan on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 08:15:31 AM PDT

Same is true in San Jose (0+ / 0-)

there is a retired police office serving in a political position and “double-dipping” as they say.

When confronted, he just says “it’s legal”.

Yeah, well let’s do something to make it illegal and reform the pension system.

Democrats who don’t understand that this is an issue that desperately needs to be resolved are missing the big picture.

by According to Fish on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 08:22:32 AM PDT

This is where the RW gets you. (2+ / 0-)

It’s easier to complain about how good the public sector workers have it instead of asking your boss why you don’t have it so good, I guess.

28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

by TDDVandy on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:12:15 AM PDT

Sorry this is just spin (0+ / 0-)

There is no reason why the public should be on the hook for providing some public sector workers 80 or 90% of their highest salary for life after only 20 or 30 years of service.

I highly doubt that every employee could be given this guarantee because the economics of it just don’t add up.

by According to Fish on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:57:16 AM PDT

You are exactly right. It is what people are (0+ / 0-)

angry about and it should never happen. If we keep defending this situation we will kill all unions. No one should be retiring at 50 unless they are injured or independently wealthy, no one should be allowed to double dip and a pension should not be calculated on the last 3 years salary(it encourages cheating).

by lakehillsliberal on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:46:44 AM PDT

So, what’s your response to these, your fellow liberal brethern, Uppereastside?

Flora Duh on June 6, 2012 at 2:18 PM

pat on June 6, 2012 at 12:12 PM

itsspideyman on June 6, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Ha, guess I spoke too soon above.
Sore winners?
This might be where the thread starts veering into Breitbart.com territory…

verbaluce on June 6, 2012 at 1:20 PM

So election fraud only matters to you if the democrats win and get exposed? It’s being a bunch of sore winners to point out obvious attempted fraud?

The democrats have always, always engaged in petty fraud.. it matters only when the election is close.. Thank God this one..

was not.

But pointing out the obvious irregularities in the election, the blatant attempts to defraud the process, is somehow crazytalk to you?

I’m about to turn 53 and in those years have never heard of an important election where the democrats DIDN’T play fast and loose with election fraud. It’s become an urban legend that dead people always vote in democrat precincts..

and you really don’t care.. because why?

you hate free and fair elections?

or just that 9 out of 10 caught defrauding the process are democrats?

Try Google.. and Democrats convicted of election fraud.

Search
About 8,550,000 results (0.45 seconds)

8 and a half million hits..

but you think it’s a non issue…..

right.. keep telling yourself that. Only democrats say that democrats aren’t crooked, the GOP and independents know better.

mark81150 on June 6, 2012 at 2:21 PM

So, what’s your response to these, your fellow liberal brethern, Uppereastside?

Flora Duh on June 6, 2012 at 2:18 PM

I’m gobsmacked they were posted and not nuked by the mods.

kim roy on June 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM

I’m gobsmacked they were posted and not nuked by the mods.

kim roy on June 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM

I’m even more gobsmacked that I didn’t have to do any editing to transport them IYKWIMAITYD.

Flora Duh on June 6, 2012 at 2:55 PM

you hate free and fair elections?
mark81150 on June 6, 2012 at 2:21 PM

You love absurd and ridiculous rhetorical questions?

I like the free and fair election that just took place.
I like the high level of participation…something the GOP ain’t exactly famous for encouraging.
I don’t like the result, but I accept it.
I also know how not that far apart 53 and 46 are.

And, I find stuff like this informative and relevant:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/06/05/us/politics/wisconsin-recall-exit-polls.html

verbaluce on June 6, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Try Google.. and Democrats convicted of election fraud.
Search
About 8,550,000 results (0.45 seconds)
8 and a half million hits..
but you think it’s a non issue…..
mark81150 on June 6, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Well, you know…I did. You’re right…about 8 millions results.
But then…I tried ‘republicans convicted of election fraud’…
“About 99,900,000 results (0.12 seconds)”.
Just shy of 100 million!
(Now, I don’t think Google search results mean anything at all.
But as I know you do…I thought I’d share that.)

verbaluce on June 6, 2012 at 3:10 PM

mark81150 on June 6, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Sorry, I Just gotta share…

‘dogs convicted of election fraud’ – About 4,390,000 results (0.13 seconds)

‘hamburgers convicted of election fraud’ –
About 5,510,000 results (0.34 seconds)

‘weather convicted of election fraud’ – About 3,980,000 results (0.31 seconds)

verbaluce on June 6, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Try Google.. and Democrats convicted of election fraud.

mark81150 on June 6, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Well, you know…I did. You’re right…about 8 millions results.
But then…I tried ‘republicans convicted of election fraud’…
“About 99,900,000 results (0.12 seconds)”.

Just shy of 100 million!

verbaluce on June 6, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Not surprising; after all, Google is a Leftist search engine. This is easily proven by the fact that they were O’bama’s 5th biggest Donor in 2008 and are currently his 5th biggest Donor in this election cycle.

Once you get the results for “Democrats convicted of election fraud”, Google will cleverly make you do a lot of work to find the credible examples. On the other hand, you will most likely find the Republican results on the first or second page.

The reason that Google wants you to work to find the Democrat examples is because they make the Republican results look like chump change. Starting with legendary Democrat Lyndon Johnson stealing elections in Texas to Democrat 1%er Old Joe Kennedy buying the 1960 Presidential election for his son.

In that latter case, a Federal investigation found hundreds of complicit Democrats in the state of Illinois alone, but thanks to Activist Democrat Judges they never spent a day in jail.

If you can find any comparable election/vote/voter fraud examples by Republicans, feel free to share!

Del Dolemonte on June 6, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Not surprising; after all, Google is a Leftist search engine.
Del Dolemonte on June 6, 2012 at 3:24 PM

This is meant to be satirical…right?

verbaluce on June 6, 2012 at 3:46 PM

I’m gobsmacked they were posted and not nuked by the mods.

kim roy on June 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM

I’m even more gobsmacked that I didn’t have to do any editing to transport them IYKWIMAITYD.

Flora Duh on June 6, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Glad they made the trip. It’s nice to see someone trying to speak some sense to those fools.

kim roy on June 6, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Poor Walker will need protection every day of the rest of his life. Be a shame if something happened to him.

JoseQuinones on June 6, 2012 at 10:55 AM

I think it would REALLY be a bigger shame for anybody caught doing anything to Walker…but please send your “next of kin” information so we can explain that you got lost in the woods and the turkey vultures got to you before we could.

teejk on June 6, 2012 at 4:08 PM

We know what Scott Walker is made of. My question today is what have the RINOs and Republican elites learned from this Dem-union exercise in futility and are they ready now to change not only their campaigning ways but how they spend our money?

stukinIL4now on June 6, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Very funny. Obama made tough choices in 2010 and the electorate kicked his party out of the house.

You did not make any touch choices you cheap puppet. You excused your corporate bundlers and laid off hard working public employees in order to redistrubtute wealth back to those bundlers. You lied to your constituents and turned them against each other. People are moving out of your state because they can no longet find work.

Uppereastside on June 6, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Hi Chester

You post lies all the time…do you want the facts one at a time or all together? I know you can only handle about 10 words per post but we can cut the following into bite size pieces later…

#1 obama made tough choices (that be the sole thing that he has done but is about to be over-turned by the SCOTUS?).

#2 laid off hard working public employees (I think the vast majority of the lay-offs happened in a few school districts that tried to outsmart Act 10…the rest were due to expiration of federal “porkulus” money where the jobs would have been gone anyway).

#3 turned people against each other…HTF do you think he got elected in the first place??? Walker isn’t the “cause”, he’s the “result” of a sharply divided population comprised of people that make money and those that want to share it for doing nothing.

teejk on June 6, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Thank you so much, Wisconsin.

kim roy on June 6, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Amen!

As an ex-pat Wisconsinite living for the past 30 years in a slightly less controversial State, Arizona (/s); I would like to thank all you guys at ground Zero for the coverage for the past few days. Brat4Life, WisCon, Mad Con, Steve Egg, and others I’m forgetting, you gave me a better sense of what was going on than any of the media ever could. I forget who actually posted it, but the entry about the Fox River Valley voters going to the polls with the quiet determination to “finally get this over with” gave me “tingles” (Sorry, Chrissy). Wisconsin has a tradition of producing such individuals, just check out the the histories of the 2nd and 6th Wisconsin at Gettysburg. Once again, the Nation is in your debt. Homies! You did us Cheeseheads proud!!!

PS. Sorry about McCain.

rotorjoe on June 6, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Really, I don’t know why anybody would waste time trying to speak sense to loons like uppereastside.

I work with a bunch of dems here in the Chicago area (pity me), and they are not interested in hearing an opposing PVO. I have long since given up trying to reason with them, and limit my discussions to the weather and boy-the-Cubs-really-suck-don’t-they.

I have a disturbing image of moonbats like upper hunched over a monitor and pleasuring himself while reading the responses to his postings…

brushman on June 6, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Uppereastside on June 6, 2012 at 12:30 PM

So delusional.

I see the left is behaving like their usual selves.. death threats and all.

Uppereastside .. do you condone this??

vamp57mw on June 6, 2012 at 7:54 PM

OmahaConservative on June 6, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Thank you so much. I am getting my feet wet on Scott win. He is such a decent guy, very midwest. He deserves someone to back him. We need to protect treasures and Scott Walker really is one. His upfront I say what I willl do and say what I mean has earned him alot of respect.
It kinda funny a radio host today talked about how the left screw ups have made this man who he is. Take a look at his political history . It is interesting.

Gracelynn on June 6, 2012 at 8:42 PM

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