Venezuela bans civilians from private gun ownership

posted at 9:41 am on June 4, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Venezuela has major crime problems — we hear a lot about the systemic violence in Mexico, but by at least one count, Venezuela’s murder rate is four times higher than that of Mexico’s and the highest in all of South America. As such, violent crime is one of the most dominant political issues in the socialist nation, and will factor hugely in their upcoming October elections.

And so, in a typically misguided move to cut down on crime, the government has decided to ban the commercial sale of firearms and ammunition. How and why making it illegal for lawful citizens to own firearms is supposed to make anyone feel more “secure,” I’ll never comprehend.

Until now, anyone with a gun permit could buy arms from a private company.

Under the new law, only the army, police and certain groups like security companies will be able to buy arms from the state-owned weapons manufacturer and importer. …

Besides the health of President Chavez, security is the main concern for voters ahead of presidential elections in October.

While voters don’t seem to hold Mr Chavez responsible for the insecurity, the situation has worsened throughout his 13 years in office. …

Hugo Chavez’s government says the ultimate aim is to disarm all civilians, but his opponents say the police and government may not have the capacity or the will to enforce the new law.

Huh. A corruption-riddled dictatorial regime wants to deprive its citizens of the means of popular resistance. (Where, oh where in history have we seen this type of thing before?) I happen to believe that a government should always fear its people, but I can maybe understand why communist totalitarians might not be so into that idea.

And besides, you know — effectually cementing the indomitable power of the national government — this is just another classic case of thoughtless bureaucrats using cheap band-aids to attack the symptoms instead of the disease. More guns means less crime — when will they learn?


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Jimmy Carter approves

WryTrvllr on June 4, 2012 at 9:42 AM

What could go wrong?

50sGuy on June 4, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Hugo will find a way. After the Chemo that is.

upinak on June 4, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Reminds me of that old slogan … if you outlaw thingamajigs, then only outlaws will have thingamajigs.

Paul-Cincy on June 4, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Hey, it worked out great for Germany, the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, etc…

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2012 at 9:45 AM

For tyrants, always the first step after the last election.

Joe Mama on June 4, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Erika, you really started off with a bang. :)

jwolf on June 4, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Molon Labe!

annoyinglittletwerp on June 4, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Supposedly he’s about to drop dead of cancer(crocodile tears from me) so maybe this is their way of keeping order in case anyone gets any ideas after that happens. Probably most of the murders are done by people work for Chavez anyway.

gsherin on June 4, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Venezuela has major crime problems — we hear a lot about the systemic violence in Mexico, but by at least one count, Venezuela’s murder rate is four times higher than that of Mexico’s and the highest in all of South America.

I’ve got an idea! Let’s ship the Venezuelans some guns, hand grenades and ammunition. We can recruit some fellers to buy the stuff in AZ, NM or even TX. Then, once the murders occur, we can finger the salesmen here in the US as bad bad BADD I say, and restrict gun sales here in the US to all these right wing teabagerrzzzz!/

ted c on June 4, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Supposedly he’s about to drop dead of cancer(crocodile tears from me) so maybe this is their way of keeping order in case anyone gets any ideas after that happens. Probably most of the murders are done by people work for Chavez anyway.

gsherin on June 4, 2012 at 9:47 AM

I think you’ve hit it square in the black.

TKindred on June 4, 2012 at 9:50 AM

How long before mass jailings and slaughter?

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2012 at 9:50 AM

How and why making it illegal for lawful citizens to own firearms is supposed to make anyone feel more “secure,” I’ll never comprehend.

Because its an emotionally based argument completely divorced from the facts. If there are fewer guns “out there” where I walk around I should subsequently “feel safer.”
/libs

ted c on June 4, 2012 at 9:51 AM

It’s about time to starting walking guns their way. What say you Holder?

molding_perception on June 4, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Gun control is never about guns and always about control.

It happens this way every single time. History tells us it was just a matter of time before hugo made this move. What does this tell us about ourselves?

runawayyyy on June 4, 2012 at 9:53 AM

I have a feeling that if re-elected, doing the same here will be part of the “flexibility” Obama referred to.

Can you say Executive Order boys and girls?

Flora Duh on June 4, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Could someone remind me how Obungler and Holder feel about gun control?

NOMOBO on June 4, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Well, crossing Venezuela off my list of possible retirement locales…

WhatSlushfund on June 4, 2012 at 9:57 AM

In November, President Hugo Chavez announced the creation of a new armed force – the People’s Guard – to improve public security.

But they have green shirts, not brown, so it’s all cool. No need to worry, citizen, this is all for your own good.

Bishop on June 4, 2012 at 9:57 AM

“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future.”

Adolf Hitler – 1935

oldfiveanddimer on June 4, 2012 at 9:57 AM

I am sure that The One and His (as He views it) minions want to do the same thing.

They will only get mine, if I have any, from my cold, dead hands.

Kevin K. on June 4, 2012 at 9:59 AM

…wait until JugEars has more ‘flexibility’…

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2012 at 10:00 AM

“Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA – ordinary citizens don’t need guns, as their having guns doesn’t serve the State”

Heinrich Himmler

Skwor on June 4, 2012 at 10:00 AM

They will only get mine, if I have any, from my cold, dead hands.

Kevin K. on June 4, 2012 at 9:59 AM

I see what you did there. *wink*

upinak on June 4, 2012 at 10:00 AM

First, they ban the Big Gulp…

faraway on June 4, 2012 at 10:00 AM

The Venezuelans might need those guns when Uncle Hugo kicks the bucket… I read that he has a couple of months and then, no more Uncle Hugo. I’m tracking Sean Penn to record the reaction when that happens. Could be sweet if Uncle dies of rectal cancer, like Sean wishes on others.

ExpressoBold on June 4, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Why should the peasant have guns? We, the ruling class know whats good for them.

/Venezuela Gov Press Release

BlaxPac on June 4, 2012 at 10:01 AM

In November, President Hugo Chavez announced the creation of a new armed force – the People’s Guard – to improve public security

…didn’t JugEars mention he wanted a “people’s army”?

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Welcome aboard, Erika.

Red Cloud on June 4, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Hugo will find a way. After the Chemo that is.

upinak on June 4, 2012 at 9:43 AM

I’m thinking that the only thing Hugo will find following all his treatments is a pineapple being shoved where the sun don’t shine.

Oldnuke on June 4, 2012 at 10:04 AM

…Mayor Bloomberg soiled himself at the news he was so estatic!

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2012 at 10:04 AM

And so, in a typically misguided move to cut down on crime, the government has decided to ban the commercial sale of firearms and ammunition. How and why making it illegal for lawful citizens to own firearms is supposed to make anyone feel more “secure,” I’ll never comprehend.

Erika Johnsen

Never let a crisis go to waste.

DFCtomm on June 4, 2012 at 10:04 AM

As such, violent crime is one of the most dominant political issues in the socialist nation, and will factor hugely in their upcoming October elections.

The main crime issue in the Venezuela election will be voter fraud.

zmdavid on June 4, 2012 at 10:04 AM

WhatSlushfund on June 4, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Might want to do that for most of South America.

If i had the means, Costa Rica is always a pretty place to..ahem…relocate. Ecuador was also on the list.

But i would also consider Australia …plenty of room, and one hell of a backyard acreage…lol

BlaxPac on June 4, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Well, shoot, what can I say?

The Rogue Tomato on June 4, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Just covering their bases in anticipation of the demise of Uncle Hugo.

NavyMustang on June 4, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Letting livestock (or communist peasants) have guns interferes with the meat processing.

RBMN on June 4, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Welcome aboard, Erika.

Red Cloud on June 4, 2012 at 10:03 AM

…you can tell by her picture… she’s not a liberal…*sigh*

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2012 at 10:06 AM

The crime angle is a pretext. It always is.

dogsoldier on June 4, 2012 at 10:06 AM

…didn’t JugEars mention he wanted a “people’s army”?

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Why yes, yes he did.

Flora Duh on June 4, 2012 at 10:07 AM

I fused my guns to my adamantium exoskeleton for just this circumstance here in America.

Slade73 on June 4, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. ~ Ben Franklin

Like lambs to the slaughter…

Fallon on June 4, 2012 at 10:08 AM

“This is something we think we have the legal authority to do. We¹re not taking away anybody’s right to do something; we’re simply making it different for them in how they do it.”

faraway on June 4, 2012 at 10:10 AM

The “Venezuela bans civilians from private gun ownership” headline is wrong. It bans the SALE of guns to citizens. And yes, it is a move towards outlawing weapons being possessed by citizens. GB and another non-dictatorial country’s have actually banned possessing guns. The problem is not the gun, but who has them.

In Chicago it is still difficult to purchase a weapon by good citizens even after the SCOTUS decision, but the bad guys seemly carry weapons with little concern. My Florida CCW permit is not honored in my state nor can I obtain one since I live in a restrictive MAY state, but we still have major gun crime here.

amr on June 4, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Rumor has it they can get some F&F guns at a discount.

hillsoftx on June 4, 2012 at 10:11 AM

I could have been “BISHOP!” on this thread but I went over and made a welcome comment for the noobs first.

Looks like some of the Chavez crew intend to maintain power after he is gone. This gun grab can be added to the list of reasons why Obama likes Chavez better than Walesa.

novaculus on June 4, 2012 at 10:12 AM

And so, in a typically misguided move to cut down on crime, the government has decided to ban the commercial sale of firearms and ammunition.

The greatest crime you can commit in a totalitarian regime is to foment dissent and rebellion.

warden on June 4, 2012 at 10:13 AM

I happen to believe that a government should always fear its people,

Erika, you and I are going to get along just fine.

SomeCallMeJohn on June 4, 2012 at 10:13 AM

What really bothers me about this story is, while I’m concerned about this blatant round up of personal arms (for a few other reasons too really), is we seem to really just ignore the large scale military weapons Venezuela been buying since he took office, let alone last 4-5 years.

As a aside, who takes over if Chavez snuffs it? Are we looking at another Syria/Lebanon scale or just South American 1980′s style civil war?

BlaxPac on June 4, 2012 at 10:13 AM

As of about two years ago, the murder rate in Venezuela was insanely high, and I’m pretty sure it’s not improved.

flipflop on June 4, 2012 at 10:13 AM

And so, in a typically misguided move to cut down on crime, the government has decided to ban the commercial sale of firearms and ammunition.

I might suggest that, just as with our fast and furious action, this has nothing to do with crime, and everything to do with unchecked raw power on the part of the totalitarian government.

People with free speech cannot be tolerated by dictators, people with free consciences cannot be tolerated by dictators, people with guns cannot be tolerated by dictators.

You do no real service to truth and freedom by using their transparent faux reasons for pure tyrannical gun confiscation. They might have just claimed it is to save the children or stop global warming.
File this under “Know your enemy” #2472

Don L on June 4, 2012 at 10:15 AM

In November, President Hugo Chavez announced the creation of a new armed force – the People’s Guard – to improve public security

…didn’t JugEars mention he wanted a “people’s army”?

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Why yes, yes he did.

Flora Duh on June 4, 2012 at 10:07 AM

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” ~ JugEars

Fallon on June 4, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Well luckily for Venezuelans we have a justice dept that has experience at gun running schemes, oh wait, the citizenry would be the wrong team.

antipc on June 4, 2012 at 10:22 AM

So I clicked over. Normally don’t like to give the BBC any clicks, but…

The ban is the latest attempt by the government to improve security and cut crime ahead of elections in October.

Good thing for them they aren’t allowing any comments over there. Effing morons.

The only “crimes” this ban is supposed to prevent are “crimes” challenging the authority of the regime.

Blindered BS peddlers at BBC are all in on the “evil guns” meme though. If anyone at BBC saw this act of oppression for what it is they would be fired for apostasy on the spot.

novaculus on June 4, 2012 at 10:22 AM

As of about two years ago, the murder rate in Venezuela was insanely high, and I’m pretty sure it’s not improved.

flipflop on June 4, 2012 at 10:13 AM

After reading that article I now know why obambi is so in awe of chavez.

VegasRick on June 4, 2012 at 10:23 AM

If only liberals understood why the 2nd Amendment protects all including liberals from a tyranny.

Nice article Erika!

Conservative4Ever on June 4, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Gee, Chavez and Obama have more and more in common all the time. Both want gun bans!

TX-96 on June 4, 2012 at 10:27 AM

0bama rant on the “flaws” of our Constitution, especially those pesky Second and Tenth Amendments, in 3…2…1…

MidniteRambler on June 4, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Well talk about render people naked to their enemies. Venezuela as always been a rough place.

The reason for such laws is to hector peaceful opposition. The Sullivan Law in NYC had just such a goal.

I am sure the Obama patrol will praise him to the skies.

Denver Bob on June 4, 2012 at 10:38 AM

And so, in a typically misguided move to cut down on crime, the government has decided to ban the commercial sale of firearms and ammunition. How and why making it illegal for lawful citizens to own firearms is supposed to make anyone feel more “secure,” I’ll never comprehend.


It makes those in power feel more secure.
Since many of them, especially south of the Rio Grande, shot their way into the Presidential Palace, they want to make sure that nobody can do it to them.

Fun fact; back when the bolt-action rifle was the standard weapon of most armies, and DWM (Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsosfabriken, Berlin), aka Mauserwerke, was the major exporter of infantry small arms to countries that didn’t make their own, the most common weapons around were the Mauser model 1896 and 1898. (The latter was the standard rifle of the German army in both World Wars.) The Mauser bolt is easily removable to facilitate cleaning the barrel; just pull a spring-loaded lever at the left rear of the boltway out to the side, and pull the bolt right out the back.

It was customary in most South American countries to remove the bolts from the rifles, and store the rifles in one armory, and the bolts in a different one, both under lock and key. The senior officers had the keys, to endure that nobody they didn’t trust could bring the bits together and engage in using the President, Generalissimo, or whatever for target practice.

To this day, most “South American” Mausers available on the collector market have bolts with serial numbers that do not match the rifles they are in for this exact reason. (Checking the headspace on them before you try firing them isn’t a bad idea, BTW).

Dictators do not trust their own populaces, not even the ones who achieved power by the “populist” route, like Hugo.

And a lot of them don’t even trust their own bully-boys all the way, either. With very good cause.

clear ether

eon

eon on June 4, 2012 at 10:43 AM

This is to insure that the sheep do not rise up against the oppressors. What makes you think it can’t happen here? The UN treaty to ban small arms could in fact make the second amendment irrelevant and the dump truck with a dozen armed thugs will be on your street soon to load up your rights and take them to the scrap yard.

Kuffar on June 4, 2012 at 10:50 AM

For tyrants, always the first step after the last election.

Joe Mama on June 4, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Well, they have more flexibility then, don’t you see?

Finbar on June 4, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Hey, it worked out great for Germany, the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, etc…

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2012 at 9:45 AM

….and Chicago

pablo5108 on June 4, 2012 at 10:57 AM

eon on June 4, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Nice history lesson. Good to see another old rifle fan on the board. I have a couple or three of Swedish Mausers, which I always thought were the best of the pre-’98 Mausers. The 6.5 mm Mauser is a great cartridge, accurate and flat-shooting, very comparable to the .270 Win.

Anyone who buys an old Mauser with a mismatched bolt (as in the number on the bolt doesn’t match the receiver number) shouldn’t fire the weapon until the headspace is checked. In fact, with an older rifle like that, a complete safety inspection is in order, mis-matched bolt or not.

Another problem with the older, pre-’98 Mausers is that a bunch of them were re-chambered to fire 7.62×54 NATO. That process may or may not have addressed the mismatched bolt-headspace problem, but it can’t address the much higher pressure generated by the NATO round compared to the old 6.5mm and 7mm Mauser rounds. Anyone here who might have picked up an old Mauser re-chambered to fire the NATO round, beware.

novaculus on June 4, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Hey, it worked out great for Germany, the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, etc…

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2012 at 9:45 AM
….and Chicago

pablo5108 on June 4, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Don’t forget D.C.!

Because you know the criminal element is TOTALLY going to live under the rule of law and turn their guns over, right?. That’s what the idiot libs will never understand. They’re criminals for a reason. Reactionary gun laws never benefit anyone except criminals.

RadioAngel on June 4, 2012 at 11:03 AM

The UN is trying to take us down a similar path.

Johnny Alamo on June 4, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Saw that one coming from 3900 miles away.

The Democrat’s BFF is acting just like a Democrat. Great minds think alike, I guess.

Socratease on June 4, 2012 at 11:07 AM

The UN treaty to ban small arms could in fact make the second amendment irrelevant and the dump truck with a dozen armed thugs will be on your street soon to load up your rights and take them to the scrap yard.

Kuffar on June 4, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Unless Reid v. Covert is overturned, the President and the Senate don’t have the power to nullify the Constitution.

Wendya on June 4, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Obama and the rest of the liberals must be green with jealousy. They wish they could accomplish what Venezuela has just done.

lukjuj on June 4, 2012 at 11:13 AM

At least the dictator is straight about banning guns; he did not give them to a crime syndicate in a bordering country. Bet Obama wishes the US has Chavez’s election system.

democratsarefools on June 4, 2012 at 11:14 AM

It’s about time to starting walking guns their way. What say you Holder?

molding_perception on June 4, 2012 at 9:51 AM

In the cause of freedom and liberty??!?

HOLDER?!

Surely you jest.

Solaratov on June 4, 2012 at 11:15 AM

What makes you think it can’t happen here? The UN treaty to ban small arms could in fact make the second amendment irrelevant and the dump truck with a dozen armed thugs will be on your street soon to load up your rights and take them to the scrap yard.

I don’t think they have enough armed thugs. Although personally, If I had guns (wink), I’d hope to be far away from any cities if that ever happens. Then it’s time to go guerilla…

But if caught in your house with your guns, treat the thugs just like zombies…aim for the head. (Unless you have a .50, then body armor won’t help them…

Battlecruiser-operational on June 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM

But i would also consider Australia …plenty of room, and one hell of a backyard acreage…lol

BlaxPac on June 4, 2012 at 10:05 AM

You might want to check out their gun laws (and the results of them) before you do that.

Solaratov on June 4, 2012 at 11:21 AM

novaculus on June 4, 2012 at 11:01 AM

NATO round is 7.62×51, isn’t it? I use 7.62×54 in my Mosin-Nagants. As for Mausers? I have to confess a weakness for Yugos…

affenhauer on June 4, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Hey, Venezuela has very cheap gasoline and Hugo has worked to keep the rich under control. He just takes the “fair share” they owe.

“If you want to be rich, go away!” is an interesting admonition.

If you believe that social and economic “justice” is paramount, then Hugo should be given license to take the guns. Rumor has it that right wingers tend to have them. With tha confiscation of wealt, someone may want to use them.

Was he born in Venezuela?

IlikedAUH2O on June 4, 2012 at 11:29 AM

When Obama loses here in November maybe he can migrate south and take over for Chavez. With the exception if his ‘Cinco de Quatro” Spanish, they shouldn’t notice a big difference.

kbTexan on June 4, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Noted Hollywood celebrity and admirer of the Venezualan president, Sean Penn, was asked what he thought of this action.

Penn’s response was “uh…..ggggg…….ggggg….mmmmmm.” Apparently the actor was unable to speak clearly with Chavez’s p*nis in his mouth!

Teacher in Tejas on June 4, 2012 at 11:34 AM

affenhauer on June 4, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Yes. 7.62x51 NATO. My error. Good catch. 7.62×54 is the old Nagant round. I have one of those around here too. I used to have a couple of Finn Nagants, sorry I ever sold them. But I wanted the money to buy other guns.

As long as we’re on it, the 7.62×51 NATO isn’t the same as the .308 Win, which can develop significantly higher pressures and is slightly different in dimensions. A lot of old rifles re-chambered for 7.62×51 were marketed as being chambered for .308 Win. Putting a .308 Win in an old Mauser re-chambered for the NATO round is just asking for trouble. A lot of Indian Enfields were re-chambered, and reports of receiver stretching and headspace problems started coming in as soon as they hit the surplus market.

So there are at least three of us old rifle nuts around here? Great!

novaculus on June 4, 2012 at 11:35 AM

The UN treaty to ban small arms could in fact make the second amendment irrelevant and the dump truck with a dozen armed thugs will be on your street soon to load up your rights and take them to the scrap yard.

Kuffar on June 4, 2012 at 10:50 AM
Unless Reid v. Covert is overturned, the President and the Senate don’t have the power to nullify the Constitution.

Holder and his Brownshirts pick and choose which laws they want to invoke. What makes you think they won’t just ignore the law in this case using some sham pretext of “public safety”. If you think the law wil shield you against a tyrant, you are naive. I say load em up.

Kuffar on June 4, 2012 at 11:39 AM

I have a feeling that if re-elected, doing the same here will be part of the “flexibility” Obama referred to.
Can you say Executive Order boys and girls?
Flora Duh on June 4, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Probably. The question is then : do we really have the intestinal fortitude to do what is then required? Or we, like the Australians, roll over and comply?

My money’s on the latter.

Cleombrotus on June 4, 2012 at 11:43 AM

novaculus on June 4, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Looks like! I have the full Soviet/Russian M-N family (the revolver, too) and had a shot at an old Westinghouse model a few months back. I kick myself daily for not picking it up when I had the chance…

affenhauer on June 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM

For you fellow gun nuts. Hickock45 just did a vid on the Krag-Jorgensen Model 1898

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Another civil right trampled upon by a tyrant.

Shame upon those backing this man and supporting him: you are enemies of mankind.

ajacksonian on June 4, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Murder rate…How and why making it illegal for lawful citizens to own firearms is supposed to make anyone feel more “secure,” I’ll never comprehend.

That’s not the reason for the ban. Chavez is in the final stages of his cancer. He has no apparent successor and his opponent is formidable. The Socialists, especially the Chavez allies, want to retain power after Chavez’s death. An armed populace could overthrow them or, in the very least, provoke a civil war.

Socialist, Fascist and Communist countries always ban guns. They have to do so.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Venezuela bans civilians from private gun ownership…effectually cementing the indomitable power of the national government…

Eat your heart out, Barry.

petefrt on June 4, 2012 at 11:56 AM

7.62x54R out of a M-N will take down any game you desire in North America. Got spam cans of it socked away, plus down-home cleaning solution to get rid of the salts of the corrosive ammo. The stuff is still cheap.

7.62×39 is a very handy medium cartridge from the AK and SKS platforms.

Don’t mind the clean-up of the cosmoline on the old guns coming out of storage… a bit of sunbaking in the tropical sun will get things started.

I hope the good people of Venezuela saw this coming and stocked up ahead of time. That old Soviet stuff is rugged, trustworthy in harsh conditions and really useful against thugs using similar calibers, especially the 7.62×39. Lots of thugs and tyrants use that… and Chavez reeks of cheap from top to bottom.

Guns are cheap.

Life is precious.

Luckily you can defend the latter with the former.

ajacksonian on June 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM

novaculus on June 4, 2012 at 11:01 AM

I have a Swedish Mauser, two actually, but one is original with all matching numbers. I rarely shoot it, when I first bought it many years ago I took it to the range and ran a few rounds through it. Took it home, cleaned it and stored it in my office. Every once in a while I take it out wipe it down inspect it and then put it away. My other Swede is a sporterized model modified but still 6.5×55. I mounted a scope on it. That one has had several thousand rounds run through it. Mostly rounds that I loaded but a couple of boxes of commercial stuff. At one time I had a Ljungman. I loved that thing but when I gave up shooting I gave it to my son. He keeps it right next to his Soviet SVT-40. Ljungman’s better built but the SVT’s considerably more powerful.

Oldnuke on June 4, 2012 at 12:02 PM

It’s clear that Holder, Axelrod and company are going to do everything in their power, legal or not to ensure that the new American dictator can continue driving us into socialism for 4 more years. And a few more Fast & Furious moments and they’ll just declare that the ATF can confiscate guns with or without any laws. They’ve already been coming after brass and ammo.

kirkill on June 4, 2012 at 12:04 PM

In a healthy Republic, the government fears the people. When the people fear government, there is tyranny. Yes, in many respects, the United States has become a tyranny.

wildcat72 on June 4, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Can a strong statement of approving solidarity from Eric Holder, Janet Incompetano and the Brady Campaign be far behind?

Sacramento on June 4, 2012 at 12:24 PM

I have friends both here and there from there. This has not been an enjoyable time for them shall I say. May he be gone soon. May the people of Venezuela be rid of his kind soon and forever.

Bmore on June 4, 2012 at 12:27 PM

This is setting things up for a military junta after Sean Penn’s boyfriend expires this year.

jake49 on June 4, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Luckily you can defend the latter with the former.

ajacksonian on June 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM

May the people succeed in taking back their country. By whatever means they deem necessary.

Bmore on June 4, 2012 at 12:30 PM

And besides, you know — effectually cementing the indomitable power of the national government…

“Effectually”, Erica? Does blogging mean you never have to worry about getting edited? Have you ever heard of the word, “effectively”? This isn’t your cell phone. If you want me to read what you write, please stop insulting the language.

woodNfish on June 4, 2012 at 12:33 PM

affenhauer on June 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Cool. The only Nagant rifle I have now is an M44. I do have a Russian Nagant revolver, and a Swedish one too. I even have a small stash of the original and correct gas-seal cartridges.

ajacksonian on June 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM

I don’t have an AK but I do have a Russian SKS, so that I can shoot 7.62×39 in the event it is the only ammo available. Same reason I grabbed the M44 on the cheap after I sold my Finn Nagants. I have a couple of spam cans at least of both in the ammo locker. Same deal with 9mm Para; I don’t carry a gun that shoots it but I have a couple that do (and a Spanish police carbine chambered in 9mm Para too!) and a can of 9mm Para in the locker, just in case.

Oldnuke on June 4, 2012 at 12:02 PM

I have a beautiful, matching, virtually new M38 that I have only fired a few times, including one round of NRA High Power. I also have an M96 and another M38, not as nice but with matching bolts. Those are my shooters.

The Lungmann is neat but man is it heavy. The Russian 7.62x54R is more powerful than the 6.5 Swede, but the Swede is more accurate and much flatter shooting, and the available ammo is way more consistent than milsurp Soviet bloc or Chinese ammo.

novaculus on June 4, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Venezuela is only imitating the USA. What do you think Fast & Furious is about? The US federal government has no more respect for our laws and rights than Venezuela does for their citizens. Attitude-wise, there is not a lot of difference between them.

woodNfish on June 4, 2012 at 12:36 PM

woodNfish on June 4, 2012 at 12:33 PM

English is my weak suit. Why is the use of the word http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/effectually wrong?

Bmore on June 4, 2012 at 12:37 PM

woodNfish on June 4, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Whoa there, Bronco Billy! Lighten up on the noob, willya?

If you ever read the lefty blogs, the poor spelling and bad grammar would probably make your head explode.

I agree that spelling and grammar errors reflect badly on credibility, but let’s not get carried away. Make your point, but no need to get snarky. If it continues to be an issue, that’s different.

novaculus on June 4, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Bmore on June 4, 2012 at 12:30 PM: May the people succeed in taking back their country. By whatever means they deem necessary.

Most of the Venezuelans that are left support Chavez and his commie cronies. The wealthy people who were able to leave did so years ago. The morons who are left are getting exactly what they asked for.

woodNfish on June 4, 2012 at 12:39 PM

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