A few thoughts on converts, faith, and politics
posted at 3:31 pm on June 3, 2012 by Ed Morrissey
Last week, the National Catholic Register and my friend Salena Zito wrote about Jo Ann Nardelli, a former Democratic Party official in Pennsylvania who switched to the GOP on the basis of her faith. As with most conversions, a moment of epiphany occurred in Nardelli’s political life, and her experience shows the problems that Barack Obama and Democrats will have in holding onto their 2008 coalitions in areas like the Rust Belt:
She said it started a few weeks ago, ironically as she and her husband were getting ready for Mass and watching Meet the Press when Joe Biden, a Catholic, cited his support for gay marriage.
This shocked her. She said she’d always related to Biden. She said he reminded her of her father. But this announcement shocked her. And then, shortly after, President Obama announced that he’d “evolved” into supporting gay “marriage.”
And then as a Democratic committeewoman she received her agenda from the party espousing the same position. “To stand up and agree and sign off on this I couldn’t do it,” she said. “So I talked to our priest.”
While she didn’t say what they talked about, she said Monsignor Little warned her that she would be the focus of much criticism.
His words have proved prophetic. Nardelli said she’s heard from people saying she hates gays or that she’s a bigot. It got so bad that she started screening her calls. And she didn’t know who was calling to say something terrible or something nice to her. She said that even when Republicans call her, she’s afraid to pick up simply because she doesn’t know them.
“I’ve been a Democrat for over 40 years,” she laughed. “I don’t know any of the Republicans.”
She has paid a price for her decision in her community:
The longtime Democrat from Blair County quit the party and registered as a Republican, and then boldly walked in a Memorial Day parade in support of GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney.
“A couple of people who I thought were friends turned their backs on me, literally, as I was walking in the parade,” she said on Tuesday. “I have to admit it made me sad, but that is the way it is.”
Nardelli, 59, a former borough council member in Newry, outside Altoona, registered as a Democrat after high school and rose to the party’s executive board. She was vice president of the women’s caucus and first vice president of the Pennsylvania Federation of Democratic Women when she quit last week. …
Nardelli said she quit the party not because she lost an election for county commissioner, as her critics contend, but because the party is moving away from her values.
The final straw was Obama’s support for gay marriage, she said. “That, and the tug-of-war between the Catholic Church and the administration over the (health care) mandate have pushed me over the edge.”
Nardelli will have new friends, of course, as most organizations welcome converts rather readily — and I suspect even her previous friends will rethink their hostility after the election. Converts made a lot of news this past week, with Artur Davis’ open letter describing himself as a center-right thinker drawn more to the GOP than his former Democratic Party allowing for some bragging rights among Republicans and conservatives. Converts reinforce our own belief systems, which is probably why apostates (in the political sense) make us angrier than the entrenched opposition, especially when the “apostates” (converts in the other direction) become very vocal about their views. That’s why Nardelli is seeing turned backs in her hometown parades this week, and why both sides reserve special ire for converts/apostates in general.
For today, though, I’d like to focus on a couple of issues about faith and politics. Some of our readers express surprise that faithful Catholics can ever be Democrats in the first place. Conservatives — especially pro-life conservatives — focus on Democratic Party support for abortion and declare the party anathema, and I have a lot of sympathy for that position, quite obviously. The heart of the Catholic mission is the dignity and sacredness of human life as a reflection of our creator God, a dignity and sacredness that begins at conception, a consistent teaching of the Catholic Church for two thousand years. It’s the very basis of our teachings on social justice; without that acknowledgment of dignity granted by God, social justice becomes a hobby rather than a calling, and humanity is reduced to utilitarianism. Why bother spending public and private money on the poor and infirm if they could have been discarded with no consequences at the earliest stages of their lives?
However, while Republicans and conservatives embrace the pro-life part of the equation, they tend to run away from the social-justice mission that must necessarily follow from that pro-life embrace. In fact, the very term social justice inevitably creates hostility, in part because some confuse it with liberation theology, a philosophy that the Catholic Church has rejected, including our present Pope Benedict XVI, who decried much of it as a “Marxist myth” while still Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger. Social justice is nothing more or less than the mission to which Jesus Christ called his church — the care of the poor, the infirm, the imprisoned, and the hopeless. It is a call to Christians of all denominations to ensure that we share our blessings with those less fortunate and find ways to lift them out of their misery, as brothers and sisters under God, conceived in the same dignity and sacredness as were we all.
There is a great deal of debate on how best to achieve these goals, and Catholics are given no set plan as doctrine on these matters. Each of us has a personal call to participate in the mission, as does the Church itself. That is why we (and our brothers and sisters in other Christian denominations and other faiths) open hospitals, charities, and schools in service to our mission and to the world. Incidentally, that’s why the HHS mandate is so absurd in its arrogance and ignorance; these are not just businesses, but an expression of our core religious practice and mission. The center of our religious practice is the Liturgy and Eucharist, but our mission is outside of the four walls of the church, not within it.
However, even while we do our best on a personal and institutional level within the church, our community, state, and nation have an impact on the scope and depth of the societal and human ills we hope to alleviate. Some Catholics feel that significant involvement of representative government represents the best and most direct way to achieve our mission, and support the political party that more closely aligns itself with that philosophy and agenda — Democrats. Others feel that the mission is best directed at a personal and institutional level and oppose significant government involvement as wasteful, impractical, and counterproductive, and those Catholics are more likely to be Republicans.
As such, these fellow Catholic liberals (many of whom do oppose abortion) do not deserve our scorn or a condescending attitude; they come to these positions honestly and faithfully. We may disagree on the best approach to the mission at hand, but we are at least united on the mission itself.
In fact, try reading the position papers at the USCCB website to see how some liberal Catholics might rightly ask how Catholics can be conservatives, especially on immigration policy, health care, the death penalty, economic justice and safety-net spending, and so on. However, a thorough reading of these positions offers lessons to Catholics across the political spectrum. The bishops do not make these doctrinal positions, but instead offer their considered (and very nuanced) approach to these issues that relate to the church’s social-justice mission, with plenty of acknowledgment of well-intentioned disagreement on how best to achieve success in these and many other areas. That is why bishops and pastors wisely treat these subjects with a great deal of respect for diversity of opinion in the parishes themselves, and rarely if ever lecture on these positions from the pulpit or insinuate that disagreement separates parishioners from the church or Eucharist.
Catholic conservatives sometimes feel as though we are sometimes scorned for our approach, though, because Republicans and conservatives rarely offer a coherent philosophy on how best to deal with the very real social problems in our communities, other than insisting that more government won’t solve them. I was glad to see Paul Ryan discussing subsidiarity in his defense of his budget proposal, as many conservative Catholics see the overwhelming entitlement growth as a threat to personal and institutional action — perhaps less so than the HHS mandate, but the mandate itself springs from that accumulation of power to entitlement-program bureaucracies that conservatives within and outside of the faith see as dangerous. Few conservatives in American politics offer that kind of coherent approach, though, and to Catholics who rightly see the pain and suffering of the poor and infirm as a priority, that makes the Democratic Party look legitimately like a better option.
Right now, the excesses of the Obama administration on the HHS mandate, abortion, and perhaps even gay marriage make it less urgent for conservatives to address these shortcomings. However, if Republicans and conservatives want to win more converts from Catholic ranks, they will have to find ways to address the social-justice priorities of these voters without spitting at the term or ignoring it altogether. And perhaps there is some value in having committed Catholics, firm in their opposition to abortion, remain within the Democratic Party to pull that organization away from the culture of death and back to its historical position as a representative of traditional working-class values. That would be an honorable mission indeed for Christians of all denominations, if perhaps a nearly impossible one, at least in the present time. In the meantime, we Catholics across the political spectrum need to acknowledge and respect the viewpoints of our fellow parishioners as we try to fulfill our mission in the best way we see to succeed.
In the end, the mission is the focus, at least in terms of our faith. To the extent politics enters into it, it should remain subsidiary to the faith and the fellowship, not the other way around.
Update: How important is the Catholic vote? Salena followed up yesterday:
In every modern presidential election, the Catholic voting bloc has been a harbinger of the popular vote, said Catherine Wilson, a Villanova University political scientist who specializes in religious voters.
“They are the ultimate swing vote. Where they go, so goes the election,” she said.
Though many Catholics decried Obama’s support of abortion and embryonic stem cell research in 2008, he won 54 percent among Catholic voters against Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona.
Update II: Dustin Siggins demonstrates the virtues of respectful engagement in this must-read Green Room piece.
Update III: Cleaned up a couple of grammatical issues.
Update IV: Lisa Graas advises to put not your trust in princes and parties.
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So now he’s pro life?
Rancher on May 14, 2013 at 5:24 PM
To answer your question, Gosnell and his legal team probably don’t share your skepticism.
Stoic Patriot on May 14, 2013 at 5:24 PM
Gosnell was not a one-off.
Curtiss on May 14, 2013 at 5:26 PM
He was smiling and update until just before the verdict was read. He knows the subject wore that pro-life jury down. And he was supposed to get another jury installed to decide punishment. My hunch is reality just bit him in the ass and he didn’t like the way it felt.
DanMan on May 14, 2013 at 5:26 PM
That may be technically correct, but, oh man.
cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 5:27 PM
Liberals are always pro-life when it comes to their own useless arses.
squint on May 14, 2013 at 5:27 PM
So he’s not viable?
happytobehere on May 14, 2013 at 5:28 PM
Finally, Hanover Fist has a worthy cell mate.
BobMbx on May 14, 2013 at 5:28 PM
He knew he was guilty?
Skywise on May 14, 2013 at 5:28 PM
One and done. This is how you Bishop.
John the Libertarian on May 14, 2013 at 5:28 PM
He needed to go away. He’s bad for business. An appeal phase would have meant more revelations. Can’t have that.
Mr. D on May 14, 2013 at 5:29 PM
Happens all the time.
And even if he lost all his appeals, even up through the S.Ct., it’d take, say, 18 years. And then we’d be executing a 90 year old who only had a few months to live anyway.
I’m fine with this. Spend the money, time and resources going after other scumbags.
rbj on May 14, 2013 at 5:31 PM
Oh well. At least it saves the taxpayers some cash.
kim roy on May 14, 2013 at 5:31 PM
Jeebus, AP. A little bit of a warning next time?
Holy F*ck.
nukemhill on May 14, 2013 at 5:32 PM
Swell. Nice that this POS was given the very consideration he deprived so many babies of the past 20 years.
BTW, how many other late-term abortionists are there across the country? When are they going to be arrested and brought up on charges?
Meople on May 14, 2013 at 5:32 PM
No kidding. I’m still having trouble with that headline that Ed put up about a crockpot.
happytobehere on May 14, 2013 at 5:34 PM
Yup. That’s how it works. This is where “privacy” has gotten us: gruesome murders that occur behind closed doors. Now that details of what’s involved are slowly starting to come out more, it’s generating a stir, from discomfort to outrage.
Stoic Patriot on May 14, 2013 at 5:35 PM
I don’t know, they seem a little too detached.
cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 5:35 PM
Irony, indeed.
May the prisoners serve him justice, slowly and painfully.
Schadenfreude on May 14, 2013 at 5:36 PM
There’s one right down the street from you, I’m sure. One of the many myths of the dems is that this stuff is rare.
happytobehere on May 14, 2013 at 5:36 PM
I don’t want to watch the first video, for obvious reasons. And I don’t want to watch the second video for same, but I must watch it because I know the pro-baby killers won’t. No matter how awful the descriptions of barbarism I am about to expose myself to I must continue to remind myself of the facts that pro-baby killers willfully ignore.
NotCoach on May 14, 2013 at 5:37 PM
Irony.
Hypocrite.
portlandon on May 14, 2013 at 5:38 PM
From who? I see no outrage about Gosnell, except from people that already think killing babies is wrong. The most outrage I’ve seen from the baby killers is a lack of cleanliness of the facilities. As if hiring a proper maid service would make everything dandy with abortion.
happytobehere on May 14, 2013 at 5:38 PM
Doesn’t matter. That decrepit old husk hasn’t long to live. The kind of violence he wallowed in has stolen old age from him, and his short imprisonment will sap the rest of his energy. He’ll waste away in hell. My hope is that it doesn’t take long to clear away the remains.
MadisonConservative on May 14, 2013 at 5:39 PM
I’d advise against it. It’s not comfortable to see your fellow citizens as Nazis.
happytobehere on May 14, 2013 at 5:40 PM
Or as Iowahawk put it yesterday…
dont taze me bro on May 14, 2013 at 5:41 PM
“I got an angle…”
BigGator5 on May 14, 2013 at 5:43 PM
That’s not a bad thing to know what you are up against and what’s out there. I’d rather be pleasantly surprised than unprepared and disappointed.
kim roy on May 14, 2013 at 5:46 PM
Gosnell wasn’t the only one who got into trouble in Philly. Everyone else pled out. Perhaps they are getting ahead of the criminal charges by coming clean whether they are disgusted by these activities or not.
NotCoach on May 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM
HA! It only takes being convicted of 3 counts of first-degree murder to turn the most ardent pro-abort into a pro-lifer.
Resist We Much on May 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM
Indeed.
davidk on May 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM
Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
Kraken on May 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM
But you know, privacy and stuff.
Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM
Comment of the Thread. Right out of the blocks.
Well done.
davidk on May 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM
I hope not.
davidk on May 14, 2013 at 5:49 PM
I hope not.
But we deserve it.
davidk on May 14, 2013 at 5:50 PM
I don’t know.
The interview just seems a little too practiced, or coached.
I cannot describe what it is that has me thinking there is a problem with the second video. But, I have a problem with the second video.
cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 5:51 PM
I dunno, but it wouldn’t have been carried out and his appeals would have cost the state around $2 million.
Resist We Much on May 14, 2013 at 5:52 PM
Fight the good fight.
davidk on May 14, 2013 at 5:53 PM
I just don’t know … this means the jury can pack up and go home ?
Sure hope so… they’ll likely need therapy after this one !
pambi on May 14, 2013 at 5:53 PM
There are a lot of people who would rather this case end instead of dragging on with endless appeals. What could they offer Gosnell to get him to go along? Protection. They can have him do easy time or hard time. He will be doing easy time.
Anon Y. Mous on May 14, 2013 at 5:53 PM
Wow! I just saw a statement from Day Gardner Pres. National Black Pro Life Union about Gosnell. Just wow! She is a great spokesman with a powerful message.
d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 5:55 PM
That’s Obama’s worst case scenario. Obama wants Baby killing abortionist Gosnell dropped down the memory hole, not some highly publicized dead man walking march to the death row chamber.
Gosnell getting the death needle is an acknowledgement that born alive abortions merit killing the baby killer, and abortion proponents don’t want that precedent set.
Cavalry on May 14, 2013 at 5:55 PM
Pic of the Day: The Last 11 Presidents In Uniform
Resist We Much on May 14, 2013 at 5:59 PM
winner on the first post
cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 6:01 PM
Thuja and the armpit will be along just as soon as they finish masturbating to the second video.
slickwillie2001 on May 14, 2013 at 6:02 PM
I couldn’t watch all of the second video. Horrific.
terryannonline on May 14, 2013 at 6:02 PM
He was smiling at today’s hearing. His lawyer said it was the “serenity” of knowing one’s fate.
I think the lawyer knows his clinet is just a sociopath. Who else would keep little feet in jars.
Wethal on May 14, 2013 at 6:05 PM
Best. comment. ever.
If “brevity is the soul of wit” sir/madam, you deserve a picture in the dictionary next to the definition of “wit,” I am suitably humbled, thank you.
Regardless if he’d received the death sentence or life w/o parole he would have still died in the custody of Pennsylvania’s Dept. of corrections.
If he’d received the death penalty he’d still be in the appeals process the last day of his life. There’s at least one person on Pennsylvania’s death row who still has outstanding appeals for a murder he committed in the 80′s!!
Unlike my home state where you can see the line of those on death row move, Pennsylvania would have warehoused him and allowed his appeals to continue for the rest of his life.
Now, he’ll end his days like Zacarias Moussaoui who yearned for the death penalty so he could grandstand in the appeals process for decades, now forgotten and deprived of a soap box.
Any bets on who’ll start the “Free Gosnell” movement?
Rot until your space opens up in Hell, Gosnell
E9RET on May 14, 2013 at 6:06 PM
So was I sir, so was I. ;-)
E9RET on May 14, 2013 at 6:07 PM
Evening news also said that Gosnell want to tell his “story” to the public at some time. One wonders how many in the MSM would want to do an apologetic for Gosnell.
Wethal on May 14, 2013 at 6:07 PM
hmm, another Troll free thread. I guess they don’t want to go on record defending their right to an abortion no matter what.
kirkill on May 14, 2013 at 6:09 PM
There was a story earlier about Gosnell objecting to the sheriff’s deputies calling him “Kermit.”
He said they should address him as “Dr. Gosnell.”
The sheriffs told him to stuff it because he was just another guy in shackles to them.
Wethal on May 14, 2013 at 6:10 PM
“Fetus” is an age?
LASue on May 14, 2013 at 6:12 PM
They should make sure his prison shoes have an extra-strong pair of shoelaces.
slickwillie2001 on May 14, 2013 at 6:14 PM
Just because we “time” our age by the time we are born, it is a human from the time of conception. Science should have taught you that…hmm, LA public education?
kirkill on May 14, 2013 at 6:14 PM
Bad RWM, bad
cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 6:18 PM
Gosnell probably figures that since the abortion crowd didn’t come to his assistance during the trial, he has no reason to believe he’ll be a ’cause celebre’ …. and I doubt the judge would let him out while his case is on appeal.
GarandFan on May 14, 2013 at 6:19 PM
How about seconds old since we establish age as stating at zero when born.
NotCoach on May 14, 2013 at 6:29 PM
Gosmell is just afraid to die. He knows what it is to kill and doesn’t want to suffer what he inflicted on others.
I hope they get to him in the big house but I guess that will be difficult.
Sicko!
Sherman1864 on May 14, 2013 at 6:30 PM
He won’t serve but 4 years and get pardoned by Obama when he grants 50,000 other pardons before he leaves office.
DanaSmiles on May 14, 2013 at 6:33 PM
Obama can’t pardon him. Gosnell outside of federal jurisdiction.
NotCoach on May 14, 2013 at 6:35 PM
And more evil is unearthed…
I really wish you would revisit your lack of faith, Allahpundit. And all the atheists, particularly those like Resist We Much, who I respect very much, and a few others who are not obnoxious anti-Christians. But even the obnoxious ones…
I’m quite convinced we are going to be seeing the Truth come down on this country, in fact the whole world, in a big way pretty soon and I really hope you recognize it for what it is, before it is too late. God will not let this affront to Him and His innocent creation stand much longer. I am certain we are seeing the Chastisement building before our very eyes, though it has been doing so for quite a few years. But the speed seems to be increasing at a frightening pace as seen in every headline on Drudge.
Catholic Prophecy
Look into Fatima. Pope Francis had his papacy consecrated to Our Lady of Fatima just yesterday for a reason. Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI made St. Hildegard a Doctor of the Church for a reason, as well as beatifying Sr. Elena Aiello. They are telling us something.
Just read Romans 1. It is all right in that one page of Sacred Scripture. Everything in there is us, and “those who do such things are worthy of death, and not only they that do them, but they who consent to them that do them.” We will pay for allowing this horror. Not only have we allowed it to continue, we’ve been funding it!
I don’t know how well you pay attention to comments, but I’ve posted this a number of times, but in case you haven’t had opportunity to see/ignore before, please read the comparative study of the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo and then compare to the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano, keeping in mind how old these relics are and that blood typing didn’t come into existence until less than 100 years ago. Christ was real; He died for you; and shed His precious type AB blood for you. He rose from the dead and will come again to judge… And God the Father is about to show us His wrath which comes first. Whether this is the final or minor chastisement, He is going to remove His protection in a big way. How could He not with this sort of horror so widespread?
Please believe in Him.
God have mercy.
pannw on May 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM
How about an unmentioned under the table agreement to NOT prosecute his wife?
Freddy on May 14, 2013 at 6:48 PM
didn’t watch the vid but i read the story on lifesitenews. holy s***!!! this guy really is just as bad as gosnell!! i am so glad these brave people are speaking out.
but what helps is that these are not anonymous sources. that looks better for credibility. i hope this story gets more exposure, like gosnell’s did. if americans see a second horror story after gosnell, maybe some of them will wake up and realize that gosnell isn’t a rare case.
Sachiko on May 14, 2013 at 6:57 PM
UM, did sumpin happen to this thread ?
pambi on May 14, 2013 at 7:01 PM
look at this!!!
on lifesitenews, one of the women who is in that video exposing the truth about gosnell #2, deborah edge, posted a comment!!
Sachiko on May 14, 2013 at 7:13 PM
I don’t really understands what she is trying to say. Is she still pro-abort? Has she repented, turned away from that awful life?
God will forgive, but for now:
She killed unborn, and born, babies.
May God have mercy on her soul.
davidk on May 14, 2013 at 7:23 PM
I was figuring it was pro-choice: life or death.
socalcon on May 14, 2013 at 7:30 PM
More words. Did sumpin happin to this thread, in what way? I wish to understand and cannot — and without understanding you, I can’t digest my macaroni salad properly.
Axe on May 14, 2013 at 7:31 PM
“especially vulnerable given their age”
Um, was that from Meghan McCain– who thought of things during her gestation?
socalcon on May 14, 2013 at 7:33 PM
Would love to help, but I am stymied trying to determine if I am an obnoxious athiest, anti-catholic or anti-christian.
Like 31 flavors: so many choices.
socalcon on May 14, 2013 at 7:35 PM
that is how I look at it …. if given the DP .. 15 years of appeal on the taxpayers dime …. Life w/o parole … even if he was allowed to appeal .. it is on his dime
life in prison … at least someone has a job .. making sure he stays inside.
I am good with it
conservative tarheel on May 14, 2013 at 7:36 PM
From what I understand, people like him won’t have a very nice time in prison.
Either in solitary and going crazy or in general population and dealing with convicts who have a special code regarding those that murder children.
It is nice to know that his remaining years will not be pleasant ones.
AND +2 on:
One of the best comments ever. I’m stealing it for Twitter ;)
ProfShadow on May 14, 2013 at 7:39 PM
he will spend a lot of time in Segregated Housing ….
no inmate contact
conservative tarheel on May 14, 2013 at 7:41 PM
You . . . only have one category there, if “obnoxious” implies the “anti” part . . . the remaining anti’s would be part and parcel. You needed another option: (unqualified, implying in context non-obnoxious) atheist. Then we could have looked close at the other two.
So, are you obnoxious, or what?
THIS THREAD IS MULTIPLYING QUESTIONS
Axe on May 14, 2013 at 7:44 PM
Please consider retweeting Sophie:
https://twitter.com/SophieRo3/status/334414795837149184
Axe on May 14, 2013 at 7:47 PM
How can anyone do this? I swear liberals have no regard for human life. I noticed several times these women would slip and call it a baby then correct themselves and say fetus. I pray every day for the end of abortion. I pray that those engaging in the abortion trade and those women having abortions beg for Gods forgiveness and stop. As to those involved in late term abortions I pray for their swift apprehension and the death penalty. May God have mercy on their souls but more importantly may God comfort those precious souls killed without ever having the chance to live.
neyney on May 14, 2013 at 8:46 PM
Well, well, well – look who just made the TOP of the Presidential Pardon list.
famous amos on May 14, 2013 at 9:23 PM
Just stencil “BABYKILLER” on his orange jumpsuit and let the inmates take care of him.
Doing the job that the system won’t do.
Manchuria begs to differ.
viking01 on May 14, 2013 at 9:51 PM
Detached is the only way you don’t go crazy at what you’ve seen and done in this case. They’re all conditioned to keep referring to ‘the fetus’. It’s a defense mechanism for these women as much as a way of hiding the truth (that it’s a baby) from the public. The one on the right kept slipping up though and calling it ‘the baby’.
I can understand why the talky one in the middle keeps seeing in her mind’s eye what she described about the baby’s toes spreading when it was killed. I’m not a weepy sort but that made me cry.
The Thin Man Returns on May 14, 2013 at 11:23 PM
It’s really very ironic that he gets life. The very thing he denied his patients.
Chris of Rights on May 15, 2013 at 9:11 AM
I think they should just snip his spine with a scissor.
BrunoMitchell on May 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM
This is, to quote Sheriff Joe Biden, a big f’ing deal. Normally I’d be p!ssed they took DP off the table, but now he’ll get DP’ed in a cell for the remainder of his days.
Hell, it wouldn’t even be capital punishment – we’ll call it a late, late, late, late-term post birth abortion. Whatever spin makes ya feel better.
I half-suspected he’d be set free into the open field, but the jury actually used a brain and convicted him on all the relevant charges. In Philly of all places. And there were many charges. The testimony and grand jury report was heinous.
This is SO very bad for the abortion industry, so, true to form, they are whining that this was caused by too much regulation. LOL. Actually, the feminists have it made – abortion is one health area that is woefully under-regulated, due to each regulation being legally challenged as “an undue burden” on a woman’s right to choose. Gov. Tom “Color-Code” Ridge of PA stated as much. And here’s the unintended consequence – instead of dying in back alleys, they die in unsanitary, unsupervised “protected, legal clinics”.
Planned (un)Parenthood also didn’t mention he went down for convictions on the deaths of three BABIES (they focused on the women, only), who had their spines snipped like a flower stem once out of the woman’s body, whereas it would have been legal while still in her body. No wonder Gosnell looked perplexed when he was convicted – he did that crap everyday with the feminists’, and the law’s, blessing. NOW they have a problem with it?
People only support abortion to the extent they do because they honestly don’t know what it involves, and what the law is around it. Sometimes in true medical necessity cases, and perhaps in rape cases, it could be considered justifiable homicide. But that means ya have to consider it a child and you have to justify that action (woman’s life v. baby’s life, etc.) – current law doesn’t, it classifies it as less than nothing, and let’s a woman do it for any reason up to viability. And at viability they still can, with some restriction. If people were informed, say, like, by a group that fills us in on news-worthy items, a “media” or “school”, their opinions would do a 180 real quick. Mine did when I really learned what it is and how it’s practiced/legally justified. And bear in mind, I’m no Bible-Thumper. And that’s why this story got ignored for most of it’s duration – “they” can’t have people informed, because people may then make decisions “they” don’t like.
Saltyron on May 15, 2013 at 2:59 PM