Quotes of the day
posted at 9:31 pm on June 2, 2012 by Allahpundit
Gov. Cuomo is sweet on Mayor Bloomberg’s plan to ban mega-sized sugary drinks.
Cuomo yesterday effectively endorsed Bloomberg’s push to limit the selling of sweetened drinks larger than 16 ounces, likely dooming any chances of overriding the proposal at the state level.
“Obesity is a major problem that we desperately need to address,” Cuomo said on former Gov. David Paterson’s WOR-AM radio show. “So I don’t see that this can do any harm.”
Are bacon-cheeseburgers next? As a practical matter, no. Sodas are an easy target because there is nothing, nothing, nutritionally redeeming about them. But might there come a day when the New York City Department of Health mandates that burgers be limited to, say, four ounces? Indeed there might. And why not? Eight- and ten-ounce burgers are sick things.
We have a health crisis in this country. A country with half of its adults living in a condition of obesity is a sick country, quite literally, spending probably not billions but trillions on the associated illnesses and maladies. Under such conditions, the state has every right to take action on behalf of the common good. We once had an epidemic of traffic deaths. We didn’t ban driving. But we came up with a device that is a minor inconvenience at most. And so seatbelts became mandatory, and now the epidemic has receded. A few people still foolishly oppose seatbelts. But most of us accept them and understand that whatever little dollop of our freedom is taken away as we latch up is more than countervailed by the practical upside.
One day, if the country comes to its senses, we’ll reverse the obesity trend and, just as we now chuckle at the prevalence of smoking on Mad Men, we’ll say, “Can you believe people used to peddle this treacle in 64-ounce doses?” We will not only have done something about obesity. We’ll have won an important victory over Libertarianism Gone Wild, a far bigger threat to society than even Sunkist Orange.
The proposed ban may not be the best way of dealing with the obesity problem, or the role that sugared drinks play in it. It may not work at all — actually, given the rather large loopholes it will contain, it may backfire. But at some point someone had to step in and do something, and for a number of reasons, that someone basically had to be Mike Bloomberg…
The man deserves the reputation for incorrigible nannyism that he’s gotten during his time in office. His administration has been marked by one crusade after another: against smoking, against salt, against trans fats, against soda. But those crusades have, for the most part—the one against salt is the notable exception—been remarkably successful. The trans-fat ban was a model for the nation. The anti-smoking campaign, which made cigarettes more expensive, more inconvenient, and more stigmatized, has been incredibly successful—it may be the most successful anti-drug program in history…
The federal government would never be able to do anything like this right now, not in this political climate, and not with this Congress. The state legislature tried and failed. But Bloomberg can. Worst-case scenario, it’s a miserable failure, it tarnishes his legacy, and his successor overturns it on day one in office. But the best-case scenario isn’t that difficult to achieve: the ban doesn’t have to work that well, or really at all, to be a success. Even if the ban does nothing but shift the discussion about what the government can do to protect the health of its citizens in his favor, Nanny Bloomberg will have won, and we’ll be better off for it.
Here’s what’s really going to happen…
The price of a 16 oz cup will increase to somewhere between the current 16 oz price and the gigantic size (whatever that may be at a given restaurant).
Some people who used to drink what Bloomberg considers to be an appropriate amount of soda will simply stop buying soda when the price goes up; some will consume exactly the same amount of soda as before, but pay more for that choice; and some will drink more soda, because they feel they’ve paid for it and need to derive more value from their free refill purchase. If you view increased soda consumption as “bad,” then this is a net “bad” for the population of people Bloomberg believes consume soda in appropriate amounts. It does the opposite for this group by encouraging some percentage of those making “healthy” choices to consume more soda.
Now for the population that Bloomberg is trying to affect: Those who drink massive quantities of soda will still be able to do so via free refills by making more trips to the soda fountain. It will just cost them less to do so.
In essence, what this ban will do is cause those who make “healthy” soda choices subsidize those who make “unhealthy” soda choices.
[T]his ban isn’t targeted at those responsible for government healthcare spending. It will be in place at every restaurant, deli, sporting event, and food cart. This will affect every person interested in purchasing soda who resides in — or for that matter, even visits — New York City, whether the city pays for their healthcare or not. What does a tourist from Canada or Virginia have to do with New York’s obesity costs? This law will only heighten animosity toward government’s vital role in promoting healthier lifestyle habits…
His administration was able to force eateries to put calorie counts on menus. While the measure was approved — it hasn’t proven effective. Preliminary research has been inconclusive and unable to show that consumers are making healthier choices as a result; and even worse, according to one study, consumers purchased 106 more calories when they were listed on menus…
Furthermore, Mr. Bloomberg hasn’t produced any research showing the majority of soda consumed is done so outside the home, where the ban actually is in place. There’s a reason for that — he can’t. More than half of one’s soda consumption occurs at home, according to the CDC. Soda consumed at home is more likely to be purchased from grocery stores and bodegas (corner stores), which will be exempt from the soda ban. So how much of an impact can this soda ban really have on an individual’s daily caloric intake or overall health? Not much.
But there’s an even darker side to bans. They have a socio-economic impact, by which I mean, some people are more affected by bans than others. Bans widen the divide between the rich, who can find a way around them, and the poor, who perhaps cannot. And while Bloomberg’s tactics are obviously part of what people dub a “nanny state” ideology, in which he’s telling us what to do, he’s telling some people what to do more than others. Rich people, among whom one is billionaire Bloomberg himself, are not going to be impacted by a soda ban the same way poor New Yorkers are — if the wealthy prefer huge bottles of soda, they’ll have no trouble continuing to find them. And the problem that Bloomberg’s trying to “fix” — obesity — is, according to the stats and research, a “poor” problem, not a rich one. This makes Bloomberg’s move seem ever the more paternalistic. A class of people whom he’s judged unable to make the proper decision for themselves is now being told what to do, by someone who knows better…
But none of these bans really serve to get to the point, anyway. If we’re to talk of equity, we should also ask why healthy, particularly organic, fresh food costs more than packaged, processed food, why lean turkey or chicken is priced higher than the bad, fatty cuts, or why in some cases the cost of milk is greater than the cost of soda. It seems that a better way to promote health to all would by making it easier for everyone to get healthy, good food—not by “outlawing” the bad stuff, or soda, which beverage industry folks say isn’t the cause of the problem in the first place, citing reports that say sugared drink consumption has decreased while our obesity issues keep increasing.
If you tax one sugared product, you make the targeted products less attractive — but you also make any number of other sugared products relatively more attractive. If theaters are limited on the size drinks they can sell, they can offer free refills, and throw in “free” candy bars with their large-soda purchases, or offer a buy-one-get-one-free deal. With narrowly targeted bans, people can still get their sugar fixes from a multitude of other venues and sources that are not subject to bans (grocery and convenience stores are not covered). Twinkies, anyone?…
Second, in the case of tobacco bans and taxes, the bans and taxes could be narrowly targeted and were, and are, endured solely by the offending parties—smokers. Soda (and other fat) bans and taxes will certainly hit the supposed offending parties, but they will also be paid by people who work hard–and suffer real costs—to remain trim. They can also have unintended and unanticipated consequences. Ironically, as research has shown, higher cigarette taxes have contributed to the country’s weight gain by causing reformed smokers and never-smokers to eat more than they otherwise would have.
Instead of narrowly focused or blanket bans and taxes on identified categories of sugared and fatty foods, a far more direct and effective policy course would simply be to hold heavy people fully responsible for the costs of their excess poundage. These weight-related costs show up in lost productivity and higher medical costs and in their impositions on others’ space in the tight quarters of planes and buses. Having heavy people bear the full costs of their excess poundage (for example, through lower wages and higher insurance premiums and air fares) will surely be far more freedom preserving and effective in curbing obesity than soda bans and taxes.
“Hey look, I gave up pop for Lent three years ago,” [Rep. Paul] Ryan said. “I haven’t had one since. but that’s up to you, do what you want with your life. We believe in economic freedom, we believe in individual freedom, and so we don’t want a nanny state. We don’t want a government micromanaging your life.
“And we don’t want a government micromanaging our financial services sector, our energy sector, our healthcare sector because what you end up with that is, you end up with crony capitalism, you end up with corporate welfare. You end up with having big business and big government joined in a common cause to erect barriers to entry against entrepreneurs, against businesses, against families and that doesn’t work. If you want to see how that movie ends, look at Europe and we don’t want to go down that path.”
Pointing to New Yorkers’ increased life expectancy, [Bloomberg] said, “Just before you die, remember you got three extra years.”
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Either the FBI is stupid enough to believe Jahar that he was going there to party, or Jahar was stupid enough to believe Tamerlan that they were going there to party. You don’t head to NY with a pressure cooker, home made grenades, firearms, and undisclosed other explosives in a stolen car after killing a cop to party; especially after seeing yourself in FBI photos on national television.
Who knows what they could have done. They easily could have dropped pressure cookers on a subway, gotten off, and used their grenades and guns in a rampage elsewhere in NY. The idea that they were going to go clubbing is crazy.
eski502 on April 24, 2013 at 5:33 PM
Epic fail by this administration
cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 5:34 PM
While I understand that someone who is consider a threat to the U.S. should be on every list we have, I don’t understand why we wouldn’t put him on a list to give Russia (or whatever country) a heads up if he is on the move.
Cindy Munford on April 24, 2013 at 5:36 PM
9/11 was allowed to happen because the Clinton administration built a wall between the CIA and the FBI…
… President Bush took that wall down.
With ‘Fast and Furious’, Benghazi, and all the other shenanagins Obowma has been running pretty loose with the law, I have little doubt that the wall is back up…
… and as a result, another terror attack in the U.S. and Americans are dead.
Seven Percent Solution on April 24, 2013 at 5:40 PM
Did you just ask a conservative to provide proof of their paranoid conspiracies?
lester on April 24, 2013 at 5:43 PM
I demand a Congressional investigation into the matter.
WHO was that person in CIA who went against the unspoken fatwa of the sultan of DC and insisted on profiling a potential jihady ?
WHO ?
Oh BTW, the CIA lies
/Nazi Policei
burrata on April 24, 2013 at 5:45 PM
Er, that was a memo sent out in October of 2011 ordering all FBI manuals to remove any references to the possibly of Islamists committing terrorism.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/04/20/Flashback-FBI-Training-Manual-Purged-References-To-Islamic-Terror
Del Dolemonte on April 24, 2013 at 5:48 PM
Gorelick…
Walls…
Some assembly required.
catmman on April 24, 2013 at 5:49 PM
You’re exceedingly stupid, Nessman.
F-
Del Dolemonte on April 24, 2013 at 5:50 PM
Of course the NYC Marathon isn’t until next fall. They would have plenty of time to get ready. Let’s all party.
chemman on April 24, 2013 at 5:55 PM
And some more:
I think we’re done with this subject…
Del Dolemonte on April 24, 2013 at 5:55 PM
And here is the entire 2011 FBI unclassified document, removing those Naughty Words like “Islamist”. Enjoy!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/93235898/FBI-Counterterrorism-Analytical-Lexicon
Del Dolemonte on April 24, 2013 at 5:59 PM
Nice work, Del. lester got schooled… again.
John the Libertarian on April 24, 2013 at 6:06 PM
Undo the damage the Church Committee has done to Intelligence Organizations. The DHS and the FBI flat out CAN’T DO THE JOB.
Repeal the ban on CIA activities in the U.S.
It doesn’t matter how many Databases, how many different Departments there is: Luck and MSNBC is no way to fight a war on terror.
BDU-33 on April 24, 2013 at 6:07 PM
JMO, but it seems to me he tried to act “normally” in the days right after the bombing, whatever that meant for him, trying to avoid detection. But when their pictures were released and they knew it was just a matter of time before they would be apprehended, they shot a cop, stole a car, loaded up the car with guns and explosives, and were headed for NYC. I just don’t think it’s believable they were going to party.
mbs on April 24, 2013 at 6:08 PM
Given that they had a bomb, guns and grenades it does seem unlikely that they were going to go clubbing, but they could have been intending to buy clubs en route.
YiZhangZhe on April 24, 2013 at 6:10 PM
Okay, which troll just got a new job? Is it verbaldouche or non-parmesan or Hotlips? — San Francisco Restores Taxpayer Funding for 6-Foot Tall Healthy Penis Mascot
slickwillie2001 on April 24, 2013 at 6:18 PM
C’mon fellas, pick up your report cards, take them home and have mommy and daddy sign them.
BobMbx on April 24, 2013 at 6:20 PM
Report: Tsarnaev admits that he and brother were headed to New York; Update: To … party?
…in other words, they had WAY MORE American taxpayer welfare money to fund their islamofascist jihad, so why not do like most of the rest of the freeloaders and also party on our tax money?
TeaPartyNation on April 24, 2013 at 6:33 PM
“Party in NYC” is probably just a euphemism for “safe house”. Or do we really think he’d give a lead on the group funding their little jihad? Better to to let them think you’re insane than compromise the cell.
somewhatconcerned on April 24, 2013 at 6:35 PM
You offer a Breitbart link and then a bunch of stuff that doesn’t say/prove at all what you think it does…
Sure, we can be done.
verbaluce on April 24, 2013 at 6:37 PM
Blow things up first, then party? Obviously he’s going to have to tell us where and with whom they planned to party, and where they planned to stay.
Buy Danish on April 24, 2013 at 6:39 PM
I understand killing infidels is ok under Islamic Jihad codes but isn’t partying supposed to be shunned under Islamic Jihad codes.
SparkPlug on April 24, 2013 at 6:48 PM
What an insightful post. That lester sure is a bright guy, and he’s 100% right about that topic.
rogerb on April 24, 2013 at 6:57 PM
It’s time to pass on the one brain cell already? Oh, how time flies.
kim roy on April 24, 2013 at 7:01 PM
Let me help you wipe the drool off your shirt:
Go to Breitbart link. Look at article. WOOOO! More links in article, which include:
Washington Times
and
Official looking stuff
and
wow! a third link
You’re welcome.
kim roy on April 24, 2013 at 7:06 PM
Mayor Doomberg wouldn’t let them by a large soda.
alanstern on April 24, 2013 at 7:09 PM
Now now, be nice. He’s owned up to having problems with long sentences before:
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/15/breaking-obama-to-announce-gun-control-proposals-tomorrow/comment-page-4/#comment-6649182
Who knows what to expect when you add in clickable links.
rogerb on April 24, 2013 at 7:15 PM
Sweetie, a couple of terroristic acts, randomly done here and there and thus unpredictable, are purposely designed to panic the population and divert law enforcement.
Use your head for more than a hat rack.
onlineanalyst on April 24, 2013 at 7:15 PM
Yes, but you need to understand that all sins are forgiven to those who die in the cause of Islam. This is an important factor in understanding the Muslim mind.
Party and drugs = bad
Party and drugs + suicide bombing that kills kuffar = direct route to paradise.
Its a sacrificial offering by which Islamic sins can be forgotten, and the formula works for any sin, not just parties and drugs.
YiZhangZhe on April 24, 2013 at 7:19 PM
Maybe the FBI and the CIA have different standards for assessing threats.
I’d need to see the chronology of events here, but did the Russian authorities hear back from the FBI with the neg dec on Tamerlan, so they appealed to the CIA to persuade the FBI to reverse their decision? It may not be something new that came to light. It may be that the Russians didn’t tell the FBI a reason which would clinch adding Tamerlan expecting that the FBI would find enough on theri own to add him to the list. How about a question here: Will Russian security tell the CIA things that they won’t tell the FBI?
Dusty on April 24, 2013 at 7:34 PM
Partying with women and drugs is allowed in islam as long as the moozie kills atleast onekafir.
If moozie doesn’t kill,he doesn’t get to party.
So if you ever see a moozie partying with women and drugs,know that the moozie is getting ready / planning a jihad against
kafir (s).
BTW, aren’t the Husseins partying in the WH tonite ?
burrata on April 24, 2013 at 7:38 PM
Allah
Tamerlan ran across either an informant or someone undercover.
And they didn’t tell the Feds, because they don’t tell them anything they don’t feel they shouldn’t be privy too.
budfox on April 24, 2013 at 8:03 PM
The FBI has got to get one of Big Sis’s pinging machines…
d1carter on April 24, 2013 at 8:40 PM
Given the REB administration’s slackass attitude about islamic terrorism, the Russians might be smart to develop their own network of informers in the Russian communities in the USA.
slickwillie2001 on April 24, 2013 at 8:42 PM
Funny you say that, because it does exist – to keep an eye on ex-pats who might want to finance “resistance” movements.
It does beg the question – how did the Russians know about Tamerlan’s extracurricular interests in 2011, before he went to Dagestan?
Lot of Russians in MA. Armenians, Jews, Georgians, etc…wouldn’t be hard to put a watcher in the community.
budfox on April 24, 2013 at 9:00 PM
David wood explains so much in this video about why such Islamic terror happens and how Obama and many other Muslims try to mislead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SoXs-0_rHY&bpctr=1366853747
Chessplayer on April 24, 2013 at 9:24 PM
Probably wanted to visit the WTC site, to pay their respects to the fellow jihadists who died there. And then off to find something to bomb. If a jihadi can make it in New York he can make it anywhere.
farsighted on April 24, 2013 at 10:16 PM
Pretty certain they weren’t headed over to the Stonewall Inn over on Christopher Street to party.
coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 10:23 PM
And how did they know it? The CIA does not operate within the US, where Tamerlan had been living the past 6-7 years.
And how did the Russians know enough about a guy who had been living in the US the past 6-7 years to consider him a threat to Russia?
So both the CIA and their Russian cuonterparts, agencies that do not theoretically concern themselves with what is going on within US borders, both thought in 2011 that Tamerlan was a potential threat.
And the FBI did not.
Sounds to me like Tamerlan must have had contact with foreign Islamist militants in 2011, and/or before that. The Russians say he met with some while in Dagestan/Chechnya in 2012.
Yet we are told by this admin there is no foreign connection or involvement in the Boston terrorist bombing.
This does not add up.
farsighted on April 24, 2013 at 10:32 PM
Troll is even dumber than I thought.
farsighted on April 24, 2013 at 10:41 PM
How many billions do we spend on Intelligence?
Oil Can on April 25, 2013 at 12:05 AM
HAL could take tips from libfree on occasionally making sense.
MelonCollie on April 25, 2013 at 1:44 AM
Obama has always been an ardent apologist for imperialistic Islam.
Those who voted for him supported him in part because of this lickspittle, craven stance.
Whether out of cowardice in the face of a brutal, violent religious threat, or from a world-historical naivete about the murderous tenets of Mohammad, or possibly because they approve of Islam’s depredations against a West they hate for leaving them with case of post-colonial guilt.
A morbid, unhistorical form of self-loathing which gives the suicidal a kick by witnessing the big, bad “colonial” powers reap well-deserved “blowback” for their imperialistic “crimes”.
(Coyly overlooking all of the equal and worse imperialistic, misogynistic, incalculably cruel crimes committed by Islam during the past 1350 years, with its scorched earth policies which killed and enslaved millions from Mecca to Morocco, Spain to the Seychelles, Turkey to Timbuktu).
Obama has actively sought to geld America’s ability to fight militant, expansionistic, terroristic Islam.
Being a Quisling or a madman (there are no other choices) himself.
profitsbeard on April 25, 2013 at 1:52 AM
Is it my imagination, or, didn’t the MSM roll the Tsarnaev family out as non-muslim immigrants?
kregg on April 25, 2013 at 5:43 AM
As the smoke clears on this story it is beginning to look like Bill Clinton’s Jimmy Carter moment*.
Perhaps we should have left Melosovic alone?
*Carter deposed the Shaw of Iran for a “peaceful cleric” (a point of history missing from the movie Argo).
kregg on April 25, 2013 at 6:01 AM
Insert appropriate “Modern Voter” topic here. Suggestions include:
Benghazi
Fast and Furious
Budget
Employment
Annual nationwide gun death toll of urban black children vs. rare and isolated mass-shootings of whites
etc.
rogerb on April 25, 2013 at 2:10 PM
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