Quotes of the day

posted at 9:31 pm on June 2, 2012 by Allahpundit

Gov. Cuomo is sweet on Mayor Bloomberg’s plan to ban mega-sized sugary drinks.

Cuomo yesterday effectively endorsed Bloomberg’s push to limit the selling of sweetened drinks larger than 16 ounces, likely dooming any chances of overriding the proposal at the state level.

“Obesity is a major problem that we desperately need to address,” Cuomo said on former Gov. David Paterson’s WOR-AM radio show. “So I don’t see that this can do any harm.”

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Are bacon-cheeseburgers next? As a practical matter, no. Sodas are an easy target because there is nothing, nothing, nutritionally redeeming about them. But might there come a day when the New York City Department of Health mandates that burgers be limited to, say, four ounces? Indeed there might. And why not? Eight- and ten-ounce burgers are sick things.

We have a health crisis in this country. A country with half of its adults living in a condition of obesity is a sick country, quite literally, spending probably not billions but trillions on the associated illnesses and maladies. Under such conditions, the state has every right to take action on behalf of the common good. We once had an epidemic of traffic deaths. We didn’t ban driving. But we came up with a device that is a minor inconvenience at most. And so seatbelts became mandatory, and now the epidemic has receded. A few people still foolishly oppose seatbelts. But most of us accept them and understand that whatever little dollop of our freedom is taken away as we latch up is more than countervailed by the practical upside.

One day, if the country comes to its senses, we’ll reverse the obesity trend and, just as we now chuckle at the prevalence of smoking on Mad Men, we’ll say, “Can you believe people used to peddle this treacle in 64-ounce doses?” We will not only have done something about obesity. We’ll have won an important victory over Libertarianism Gone Wild, a far bigger threat to society than even Sunkist Orange.

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The proposed ban may not be the best way of dealing with the obesity problem, or the role that sugared drinks play in it. It may not work at all — actually, given the rather large loopholes it will contain, it may backfire. But at some point someone had to step in and do something, and for a number of reasons, that someone basically had to be Mike Bloomberg…

The man deserves the reputation for incorrigible nannyism that he’s gotten during his time in office. His administration has been marked by one crusade after another: against smoking, against salt, against trans fats, against soda. But those crusades have, for the most part—the one against salt is the notable exception—been remarkably successful. The trans-fat ban was a model for the nation. The anti-smoking campaign, which made cigarettes more expensive, more inconvenient, and more stigmatized, has been incredibly successful—it may be the most successful anti-drug program in history…

The federal government would never be able to do anything like this right now, not in this political climate, and not with this Congress. The state legislature tried and failed. But Bloomberg can. Worst-case scenario, it’s a miserable failure, it tarnishes his legacy, and his successor overturns it on day one in office. But the best-case scenario isn’t that difficult to achieve: the ban doesn’t have to work that well, or really at all, to be a success. Even if the ban does nothing but shift the discussion about what the government can do to protect the health of its citizens in his favor, Nanny Bloomberg will have won, and we’ll be better off for it.

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Here’s what’s really going to happen…

The price of a 16 oz cup will increase to somewhere between the current 16 oz price and the gigantic size (whatever that may be at a given restaurant).

Some people who used to drink what Bloomberg considers to be an appropriate amount of soda will simply stop buying soda when the price goes up; some will consume exactly the same amount of soda as before, but pay more for that choice; and some will drink more soda, because they feel they’ve paid for it and need to derive more value from their free refill purchase. If you view increased soda consumption as “bad,” then this is a net “bad” for the population of people Bloomberg believes consume soda in appropriate amounts. It does the opposite for this group by encouraging some percentage of those making “healthy” choices to consume more soda.

Now for the population that Bloomberg is trying to affect: Those who drink massive quantities of soda will still be able to do so via free refills by making more trips to the soda fountain. It will just cost them less to do so.

In essence, what this ban will do is cause those who make “healthy” soda choices subsidize those who make “unhealthy” soda choices.

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[T]his ban isn’t targeted at those responsible for government healthcare spending. It will be in place at every restaurant, deli, sporting event, and food cart. This will affect every person interested in purchasing soda who resides in — or for that matter, even visits — New York City, whether the city pays for their healthcare or not. What does a tourist from Canada or Virginia have to do with New York’s obesity costs? This law will only heighten animosity toward government’s vital role in promoting healthier lifestyle habits…

His administration was able to force eateries to put calorie counts on menus. While the measure was approved — it hasn’t proven effective. Preliminary research has been inconclusive and unable to show that consumers are making healthier choices as a result; and even worse, according to one study, consumers purchased 106 more calories when they were listed on menus…

Furthermore, Mr. Bloomberg hasn’t produced any research showing the majority of soda consumed is done so outside the home, where the ban actually is in place. There’s a reason for that — he can’t. More than half of one’s soda consumption occurs at home, according to the CDC. Soda consumed at home is more likely to be purchased from grocery stores and bodegas (corner stores), which will be exempt from the soda ban. So how much of an impact can this soda ban really have on an individual’s daily caloric intake or overall health? Not much.

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But there’s an even darker side to bans. They have a socio-economic impact, by which I mean, some people are more affected by bans than others. Bans widen the divide between the rich, who can find a way around them, and the poor, who perhaps cannot. And while Bloomberg’s tactics are obviously part of what people dub a “nanny state” ideology, in which he’s telling us what to do, he’s telling some people what to do more than others. Rich people, among whom one is billionaire Bloomberg himself, are not going to be impacted by a soda ban the same way poor New Yorkers are — if the wealthy prefer huge bottles of soda, they’ll have no trouble continuing to find them. And the problem that Bloomberg’s trying to “fix” — obesity — is, according to the stats and research, a “poor” problem, not a rich one. This makes Bloomberg’s move seem ever the more paternalistic. A class of people whom he’s judged unable to make the proper decision for themselves is now being told what to do, by someone who knows better…

But none of these bans really serve to get to the point, anyway. If we’re to talk of equity, we should also ask why healthy, particularly organic, fresh food costs more than packaged, processed food, why lean turkey or chicken is priced higher than the bad, fatty cuts, or why in some cases the cost of milk is greater than the cost of soda. It seems that a better way to promote health to all would by making it easier for everyone to get healthy, good food—not by “outlawing” the bad stuff, or soda, which beverage industry folks say isn’t the cause of the problem in the first place, citing reports that say sugared drink consumption has decreased while our obesity issues keep increasing.

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If you tax one sugared product, you make the targeted products less attractive — but you also make any number of other sugared products relatively more attractive. If theaters are limited on the size drinks they can sell, they can offer free refills, and throw in “free” candy bars with their large-soda purchases, or offer a buy-one-get-one-free deal. With narrowly targeted bans, people can still get their sugar fixes from a multitude of other venues and sources that are not subject to bans (grocery and convenience stores are not covered). Twinkies, anyone?…

Second, in the case of tobacco bans and taxes, the bans and taxes could be narrowly targeted and were, and are, endured solely by the offending parties—smokers. Soda (and other fat) bans and taxes will certainly hit the supposed offending parties, but they will also be paid by people who work hard–and suffer real costs—to remain trim. They can also have unintended and unanticipated consequences. Ironically, as research has shown, higher cigarette taxes have contributed to the country’s weight gain by causing reformed smokers and never-smokers to eat more than they otherwise would have.

Instead of narrowly focused or blanket bans and taxes on identified categories of sugared and fatty foods, a far more direct and effective policy course would simply be to hold heavy people fully responsible for the costs of their excess poundage. These weight-related costs show up in lost productivity and higher medical costs and in their impositions on others’ space in the tight quarters of planes and buses. Having heavy people bear the full costs of their excess poundage (for example, through lower wages and higher insurance premiums and air fares) will surely be far more freedom preserving and effective in curbing obesity than soda bans and taxes.

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“Hey look, I gave up pop for Lent three years ago,” [Rep. Paul] Ryan said. “I haven’t had one since. but that’s up to you, do what you want with your life. We believe in economic freedom, we believe in individual freedom, and so we don’t want a nanny state. We don’t want a government micromanaging your life.

“And we don’t want a government micromanaging our financial services sector, our energy sector, our healthcare sector because what you end up with that is, you end up with crony capitalism, you end up with corporate welfare. You end up with having big business and big government joined in a common cause to erect barriers to entry against entrepreneurs, against businesses, against families and that doesn’t work. If you want to see how that movie ends, look at Europe and we don’t want to go down that path.”

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Pointing to New Yorkers’ increased life expectancy, [Bloomberg] said, “Just before you die, remember you got three extra years.”

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Never saw species. Was it good?

SparkPlug on June 2, 2012 at 10:37 PM

No, unless you like seeing mostly naked Natasha Henstridge.

cozmo on June 2, 2012 at 10:40 PM

TxAnn56 on June 2, 2012 at 10:34 PM

We don’t care Jennie O ground turkey-but we do carry ground turkey.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 2, 2012 at 10:41 PM

The Obama presidency.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 10:36 PM

.
You have “horror movie” confused with “sciFi film.”

ExpressoBold on June 2, 2012 at 10:42 PM

From the second quote:

But might there come a day when the New York City Department of Health mandates that burgers be limited to, say, four ounces? Indeed there might. And why not? Eight- and ten-ounce burgers are sick things.

and

We’ll have won an important victory over Libertarianism Gone Wild, a far bigger threat to society than even Sunkist Orange.

I didn’t read the article, but this is enough.

People like this burn me up. Maybe you should mind your own damn business, jackass. I wish I had the power to follow asshats like this around, then start outlawing/regulating the things they like to do.

And, where the hell is this “libertarianism gone wild”?? We’re less free than we’ve ever been, and getting worse each day.

This guy must be part of the Choom Gang. Can’t believe any sane person could write such nonsense.

RedCrow on June 2, 2012 at 10:42 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on June 2, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Bishop said that Tarantulas scare him more than those Alien Xenomorphs.

Both scare me.

SparkPlug on June 2, 2012 at 10:43 PM

From the second quote:

But might there come a day when the New York City Department of Health mandates that burgers be limited to, say, four ounces? Indeed there might. And why not? Eight- and ten-ounce burgers are sick things.

and

We’ll have won an important victory over Libertarianism Gone Wild, a far bigger threat to society than even Sunkist Orange.

I didn’t read the article, but this is enough.

People like this burn me up. Maybe you should mind your own damn business, jackass. I wish I had the power to follow assclowns like this around, then start outlawing/regulating the things they like to do.

And, where the hell is this “libertarianism gone wild”?? We’re less free than we’ve ever been, and getting worse each day.

This guy must be part of the Choom Gang. Can’t believe any sane person could write such nonsense.

RedCrow on June 2, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Loved Blade Runner and Silent Running.

ET was for kids.

SparkPlug on June 2, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Loved Blade Runner; never saw Silent Running.

And yeah, ET was like a Disney flick.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 10:44 PM

SparkPlug on June 2, 2012 at 10:32 PM

2001, 1st. Alien probably 2nd, tie with Close Encounters. Star Wars was a horse opera in space, but obviously a huge popular impact.

“Enemy Mine” might be the most awesome in pure SF terms.

Who is John Galt on June 2, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Pop Music

lynncgb on June 2, 2012 at 10:45 PM

You have “horror movie” confused with “sciFi film.”

ExpressoBold on June 2, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Guilty as charged.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Never saw species. Was it good?

SparkPlug on June 2, 2012 at 10:37 PM

.
There were three Species films; Natasha Henstridge as the extraterrestrial alien looking “a mate” was superb! Yassah!

ExpressoBold on June 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM

The real message here is simple: stay clear of New York. Between their mishandling of 2nd Amendment rights of non-residents, high taxation, and this, I ask: what reason is there to have anything to do with New York?

beatcanvas on June 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM

I put myself at the mercy of the court.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Good to have you but some of these posters act very bad. Beware. Not me though, I’m not like those other guys.

arnold ziffel on June 2, 2012 at 10:14 PM

hahaha…sure…;)

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 10:47 PM

The Creature from the Black Lagoon was scary in its day but is a Joke today. Now if Michelle Obama played the monster many in the audience would faint from paralytic fear.

SparkPlug on June 2, 2012 at 10:47 PM

cozmo on June 2, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Very good choices. Planet of the apes and Dune was also quite good—imo.

arnold ziffel on June 2, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Speaking of sci-fi, I’m watching a series of “Alien” flicks right now on…SyFy.

AVP is on right now.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 10:48 PM

We don’t care Jennie O ground turkey-but we do carry ground turkey.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 2, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Thanks, I’ll have to check next time. It’s probably the same thing only about $3 cheaper. They’ve got great frozen Tilapia there too.

TxAnn56 on June 2, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Just a friendly jerk reminder. Oddly enough being a jerk can be profitable. Even if it doesn’t take talent. Meet some very wealthy little jerks.

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Loved Blade Runner and Silent Running.

SparkPlug on June 2, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Ain’t a tree hugging global warming Gaia lovin’ nut

But I do luv me some Silent Running.

cozmo on June 2, 2012 at 10:49 PM

cozmo on June 2, 2012 at 10:37 PM

…Boring…not E T!…I’ll cry!

KOOLAID2 on June 2, 2012 at 10:50 PM

No, unless you like seeing mostly naked Natasha Henstridge.

cozmo on June 2, 2012 at 10:40 PM

wutsdatyousay?

Tim_CA on June 2, 2012 at 10:51 PM

The real message here is simple: stay clear of New York. Between their mishandling of 2nd Amendment rights of non-residents, high taxation, and this, I ask: what reason is there to have anything to do with New York?

beatcanvas on June 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM

I’ll get back to you on that. Is it multiple choice or essay?

arnold ziffel on June 2, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Doh!

Forbidden Planet

cozmo on June 2, 2012 at 10:52 PM

People like this burn me up. Maybe you should mind your own damn business, jackass. I wish I had the power to follow assclowns like this around, then start outlawing/regulating the things they like to do.

And, where the hell is this “libertarianism gone wild”?? We’re less free than we’ve ever been, and getting worse each day.

This guy must be part of the Choom Gang. Can’t believe any sane person could write such nonsense.

RedCrow on June 2, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Yep.

Don’t Tread on Me!, We’re Sick Of It. DOWNSIZE the Imperial Federal Government, and leave me the hell alone!

Who is John Galt on June 2, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Could be worse, he could be jerking you back and forth.

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 10:53 PM

You couldn’t pay me to live in NYC. Whacked out dictatorship. Enjoy NYC- you get what you vote for!

He apparently crossed the line with the soda…you don’t mess with people’s pop.

His nanny dictatorship/controlling the masses will not change obesity or a damn thing. Stupid politicians.

You have no freedom NYC- you like?

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Doh!

Forbidden Planet

cozmo on June 2, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Which draws a line directly to “The Rocky Horror Picture Show”

Tim_CA on June 2, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Yep.

Don’t Tread on Me!, We’re Sick Of It. DOWNSIZE the Imperial Federal Government, and leave me the hell alone!

Who is John Galt on June 2, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Amen!!!

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 10:56 PM

A Clockwork Orange
Mad Max
The Fisher King (does that count as sci fi?)

Lots of great sci fi movies.

Fenris on June 2, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Yep.

Don’t Tread on Me!, We’re Sick Of It. DOWNSIZE the Imperial Federal Government, and leave me the hell alone!

Who is John Galt on June 2, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Amen here too!!

PatriotGal2257 on June 2, 2012 at 10:58 PM

The real message here is simple: stay clear of New York. Between their mishandling of 2nd Amendment rights of non-residents, high taxation, and this, I ask: what reason is there to have anything to do with New York?

beatcanvas on June 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM

They “mishandle” (reneg) the 2nd amendment rights of residents, too. That’s why I and apparently 4,000,000 like-minded folk left the horrible place.

No reason to have anything to do with NY, I wish it and all parts northeast of it would break off the North American continent and drift out to sea. To Europe, where they would be welcomed by like-minded brothers.

My favorite quote: “Y’all can go to He!!, I’m goin’ to Texas!”

I did.

Who is John Galt on June 2, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Could be worse, he could be jerking you back and forth.

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 10:53 PM

You are as always magnificent. I’ll get to up and down later. This will have to do.

arnold ziffel on June 2, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Could be jerks of a circular nature.

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 10:59 PM

His nanny dictatorship/controlling the masses will not change obesity or a damn thing. Stupid politicians.
You have no freedom NYC- you like?
bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 10:53 PM

…how long before Bloomberg controls how big a bowel movement New Yorker’s can have?… Sh!t seems to be a problem in New York!

KOOLAID2 on June 2, 2012 at 11:00 PM

The dangerous jerks are the neurotic ones.

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Thanks, I’ll have to check next time. It’s probably the same thing only about $3 cheaper. They’ve got great frozen Tilapia there too.

TxAnn56 on June 2, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Kitchen Tip:

I’ve always found the use of a high-powered wood chipper to be both extremely effective AND amazingly quick for do-it-yourself ground turkey projects.

Tim_CA on June 2, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Could be worse, he could be jerking you back and forth.

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Maybe you’ll get a happy ending.

RickB on June 2, 2012 at 11:04 PM

My favorite quote: “Y’all can go to He!!, I’m goin’ to Texas!”

I did.

Who is John Galt on June 2, 2012 at 10:59 PM

They Will.

F’em.

Who is John Galt on June 2, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Hmmm, the government bans guns in certain cities and murders by guns climb…….
So, does anyone else think the fattest ppl in the country will start taking up residence in NYC??????
Allah, get out while your still under 250 pounds ……………..

angrymike on June 2, 2012 at 11:05 PM

I first read of the Christeros in a book I have authored.

Huh? How did that happen?

This story really resonated with me because I am currently reading an account of how Protestants faced up to the Nazi regime in Germany. The similarities are striking.

Happy Nomad on June 2, 2012 at 11:05 PM

AVP is on right now.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Prometheus!

John the Libertarian on June 2, 2012 at 11:06 PM

My favorite quote: “Y’all can go to He!!, I’m goin’ to Texas!”

I did.

Who is John Galt on June 2, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Awesome. We live in CA, and have a second place in OR. I want to sell out and go to TX for when we play Alamo–because I just don’t feel too relaxed about current events.
Revise and Extend. For when we play victory.

arnold ziffel on June 2, 2012 at 11:06 PM

A Clockwork Orange

Fenris on June 2, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Saw the uncut/X-rated version in college, which was eye-opening and disturbing.

Hated … despised … Artificial Intelligence. Saw that on the recommendation of my brother-in-law, which only confirmed to me his questionable taste in movies.

PatriotGal2257 on June 2, 2012 at 11:07 PM

In Bloomturds defense. Not much of a defense really.

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Only a liberal mind super-sizes budgets, and bans large Cokes.

faraway on June 2, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Under such conditions, the state has every right to take action on behalf of the common good. We once had an epidemic of traffic deaths. We didn’t ban driving. But we came up with a device that is a minor inconvenience at most. And so seatbelts became mandatory, and now the epidemic has receded.

Pretty frightening attitude right there. Not surprised, it’s coming from the statists at the Daily Beast.

That first sentence pretty much sets up the premise for the state to inject itself into anything. Funny though, there is a certain lifestyle that is responsible for the spread of a very deadly, incurable disease, yet these same statists suddenly become radical liberatarians on that subject literally screaming at people to “stay out of their bedrooms! eleventy!!!11!!”

As far as seatbelts, yeah highway deaths prior to installation of seat belts were higher for a host of reasons, not just seatbelts. Highway infrastructure often caused casualties rather than preventing them, cars weren’t built for safety, etc. However, I like to think that people are relatively smart and would use seat belts whether they were going to get ticketed or not. I know we wore seatbelts before it was required. Tell people the benefits and let them run their own lives. The stupid ones will get weeded out.

Dang I hate statists!

AZfederalist on June 2, 2012 at 11:10 PM

…how long before Bloomberg controls how big a bowel movement New Yorker’s can have?… Sh!t seems to be a problem in New York!

KOOLAID2 on June 2, 2012 at 11:00 PM

lol. Up next. Diameter, length, moisture content and water usage to dispose of said product.

arnold ziffel on June 2, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Kitchen Tip:

I’ve always found the use of a high-powered wood chipper to be both extremely effective AND amazingly quick for do-it-yourself ground turkey projects.

Tim_CA on June 2, 2012 at 11:02 PM

This is what happens when you watch too much Good Eats and Home Improvements :D

Achele175 on June 2, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Happy Nomad on June 2, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Oops, my mistake, even with Preview. I should have said “book I own, written by Fr. Benedict Groeshel.” Sorry.

What is the title of the book you’re reading about the Nazis and Lutherans?

PatriotGal2257 on June 2, 2012 at 11:11 PM

PatriotGal2257 on June 2, 2012 at 11:07 PM

A Clockwork Orange was sick. Never saw the movie. Tried the book first; couldn’t get through it. No thanks.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I ask: what reason is there to have anything to do with New York?

beatcanvas on June 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM

I think NY gets a bum rap a lot of the time. I’m a born and bred New Yorker (living in the south now), and to me NY is still home. There’s no other place like it. And most NY’ers are good people. Yeah, it certainly has it’s downside, but I still think the good outweighs the bad.

lynncgb on June 2, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Arnoldziffel
You forgot, corn count………;)

angrymike on June 2, 2012 at 11:13 PM

But none of these bans really serve to get to the point, anyway. If we’re to talk of equity, we should also ask why healthy, particularly organic, fresh food costs more than packaged, processed food, why lean turkey or chicken is priced higher than the bad, fatty cuts, or why in some cases the cost of milk is greater than the cost of soda. It seems that a better way to promote health to all would by making it easier for everyone to get healthy, good food—not by “outlawing” the bad stuff, or soda, which beverage industry folks say isn’t the cause of the problem in the first place, citing reports that say sugared drink consumption has decreased while our obesity issues keep increasing.

Exactly. I laugh when I go to the store. I would love to be certain items but they are outrageous. Example..I love fresh blue berries..for me they are a treat for my cereal. $5.00 for a small container- product of Peru or Mexico usually. It is expensive to eat healthy! and buy fresh produce and good cuts of meat.
Lower income people with a family buy what they can afford. Its cheaper cuts of meets,starches, and processed foods.

As a kid, my mom bought soda as a treat..as well as junk food. Not in the house daily. She took responsibility and she made choices for us. Involving us in sports and other activities. We also played out side for hours. People today sit it cubicles for work and dont move a lot..kids play for hours online and with video games-with the TV on 24/7.. They aren’t out playing. To me, that’s the parents role and choices. Not the governments role.

Whats next..required gym memberships, eliminating bologna sandwiches, pizza (hello NY) corn beef, salami, Southern sweet tea,fried foods? How about the Starbucks on every corner? They have some pretty high calorie coffee drinks.

Stop the insanity!

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 11:14 PM

PatriotGal2257 on June 2, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Well, it’s certainly not a joyful movie! If your broher in law thought that, then I would agree about the questionable taste.

Fenris on June 2, 2012 at 11:14 PM

SparkPlug on June 2, 2012 at 10:32 PM

My first thought was Forbidden Planet, so I’m with cozmo there. I think the original version of The Day The Earth Stood Still, with Paticia Neal and Michael Rennie, has to be in the running. Certainly, 2001, Alien and Blade Runner stand out.

novaculus on June 2, 2012 at 11:14 PM

OK, I gotta make alike a tree and leave… C U L8R

ExpressoBold on June 2, 2012 at 11:14 PM

As usual, progs seek to deceive by establishing the terms of the the discussion. Somebody(name escapes now)just wrote “The Tyranny of Cliches” which amply demonstrates how the progs get away setting the terms, as in literally the language, upon which we argue the merits of any debate. In doing so we allow them to fight us on terrain most favorable to them, this must stop…here and now. AS Rand emphasized, “if something makes no sense, check your premise” By ceding the language we use we allow them to establish a false premise as the starting point of any debate.

What was so cleverly used in the obesity debate is that the US Guv changed the definition of what is obese on the BMI(body/mass index). By the new definition of obesity, Marilyn Monroe is considered OBESE!

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If that is obese, sign me up.

WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH OUR ARGUMENTS IN OUR TERMS, NOT THEIRS!

Archimedes on June 2, 2012 at 11:15 PM

And statues of
Lenin.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Heh, good ol freaky Fremont. I used to work a block from that statue. At Christmas they decorate him with little twinkle lights. :-)

DoubleClutchin on June 2, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 11:08 PM

…where do you find those…at the spur of the moment.

KOOLAID2 on June 2, 2012 at 11:16 PM

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I remember looking at the floor a lot, and then every time I’d look at the screen again, there was some new disturbing thing to see.

Once was more than enough for that one.

PatriotGal2257 on June 2, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 11:08 PM

…where do you find those…at the spur of the moment.

KOOLAID2 on June 2, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Cause Mr B is the man..with the mad skillz. :)

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 11:18 PM

What the Mayor has done is Sacrilegious. Let Frank explain. Its a kinda bizarre explanation as you might expect from Frank. Frank is absolutely convinced even Jesus thinks they are……………..
If you don’t like raunchy satire, pass this one up. Its the anti R song. Bloomberg is an R isn’t he?

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 11:19 PM

…where do you find those…at the spur of the moment.

KOOLAID2 on June 2, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Kool, I keep some in here and get some while I’m out there. ; )

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 11:20 PM

I think NY gets a bum rap a lot of the time. I’m a born and bred New Yorker (living in the south now), and to me NY is still home. There’s no other place like it. And most NY’ers are good people. Yeah, it certainly has it’s downside, but I still think the good outweighs the bad.

lynncgb on June 2, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Not a fan of big cities. Chicago bleeds our state dry. Sometimes I hear radio talkers from up there talking about what a beautiful city it is.

BS. It’s a dirty, filthy, stinking sewer. The Beautiful part is right in the loop and the near north. The rest is a cesspool. But of course, they don’t want to talk about that part.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Archimedes on June 2, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Interesting….

Anyone notice that “skinny” jeans are what is mainly sold now? Those hipster anorexic jeans.

Marylin was voluptuous.

Todays standard is to look like an anorexic model.

No wonder so many young women have eating disorders.

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Alright, I’m about jerked out. Long day. I think I’ll do some reading now. : )

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Heh, good ol freaky Fremont. I used to work a block from that statue. At Christmas they decorate him with little twinkle lights. :-)

DoubleClutchin on June 2, 2012 at 11:16 PM

I have fantasies about “visiting” that statue with an M1-A1 Abrams tank. But that’s just me.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:23 PM

It’s the economy stupid, stupid.

hillbillyjim on June 2, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Could be jerks of a circular nature.

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Who’s the man in the middle.

RickB on June 2, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Interesting….

Anyone notice that “skinny” jeans are what is mainly sold now? Those hipster anorexic jeans.

Marylin was voluptuous.

Todays standard is to look like an anorexic model.

No wonder so many young women have eating disorders.

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 11:21 PM

I will never understand what is supposed to be so attractive about what I call being “skinny as a skeleton.” I like a little flesh on women. It’s a much more healthy, seductive look in my opinion.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:25 PM

What is the title of the book you’re reading about the Nazis and Lutherans?

PatriotGal2257 on June 2, 2012 at 11:11 PM

It is The Church’s Confession Under Hitler by Auther C. Cochrane.

And to be clear, this isn’t the Lutheran response to the Nazis this is the response of those of us who are part of the reformed faith.

Happy Nomad on June 2, 2012 at 11:25 PM

You are as always magnificent. I’ll get to up and down later. This will have to do.

arnold ziffel on June 2, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Always a good listen. ; )

Maybe you’ll get a happy ending.

RickB on June 2, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Somehow I doubt it. ; )

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 11:26 PM

BTW–Hiya B9! *waves enthusiastically*

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Well, it’s certainly not a joyful movie! If your broher in law thought that, then I would agree about the questionable taste.

Fenris on June 2, 2012 at 11:14 PM

No, certainly not joyful, but I thought it also had a really stupid plot, even for a supposed sci-fi/fantasy movie and it went on long after it should have ended — when the helicopter crashed into whatever body of water it was.

Then again, I’m not a big fan of that genre in the first place. I never could get interested in Star Trek, but the original Star Wars trilogy was fun to watch.

PatriotGal2257 on June 2, 2012 at 11:26 PM

I have fantasies about “visiting” that statue with an M1-A1 Abrams tank. But that’s just me.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Funny thing is that the Russians no longer wanted it; it was a reminder of their days of slavery to a political philosophy that cost them many lives and many freedoms. Idiots in California snapped it up.

AZfederalist on June 2, 2012 at 11:27 PM

BS. It’s a dirty, filthy, stinking sewer. The Beautiful part is right in the loop and the near north. The rest is a cesspool. But of course, they don’t want to talk about that part.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:21 PM

So says my friend that moved from there and escaped down here.

Sounds lovely…

“With a crime rate of 55 per one thousand residents, Chicago has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes”

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 11:27 PM

F’em.

Who is John Galt on June 2, 2012 at 11:04 PM

L’em. ; )

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 11:27 PM

BTW–Hiya B9! *waves enthusiastically*

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Hi Pred! long time no see… *waves enthusiastically” back!
I hope you are well.

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 11:29 PM

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Cool map. If I ever get up that way I’ll head straight for the lightest blue area’s.

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 11:29 PM

I have fantasies about “visiting” that statue with an M1-A1 Abrams tank. But that’s just me.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Across the street from that statue is a 1950 cold war rocket fuselage, (another “mascot” of Fremont) that you could attach to your tank and drive around scaring the oh so serious about themselves hipsters that inhabit that neighborhood. I’d pay money to watch that!

DoubleClutchin on June 2, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Happy Nomad on June 2, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Understood. Sounds like a compelling read. Thanks.

PatriotGal2257 on June 2, 2012 at 11:31 PM

I

diots in California snapped it up.

AZfederalist on June 2, 2012 at 11:27 PM

California has one to? Geez did they make these things in bulk. Idiots indeed.

DoubleClutchin on June 2, 2012 at 11:33 PM

I will never understand what is supposed to be so attractive about what I call being “skinny as a skeleton.” I like a little flesh on women. It’s a much more healthy, seductive look in my opinion.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Its not just the women….skinny cut male jeans too.

I went to buy my 1 yr old nephew jeans online..the Gap and other retailers. The baby jeans were “skinny jeans” The majority.
Really, that says something. Skinny babies!

And I agree with you on women.

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 11:33 PM

I think NY gets a bum rap a lot of the time. I’m a born and bred New Yorker (living in the south now), and to me NY is still home. There’s no other place like it. And most NY’ers are good people. Yeah, it certainly has it’s downside, but I still think the good outweighs the bad.

lynncgb on June 2, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I was born and bred in the suburbs of Washington DC. My youngest brother lives in Manhattan and would echo your comments. We don’t talk politics now.

Happy Nomad on June 2, 2012 at 11:34 PM

I hope you are well.

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 11:29 PM

This feller couldn’t be any weller. ;) I hope you are the same.

And as for Chicago, I do have to give some points for Lake Shore Drive. I busted down that baby from north to south at about 115 mph at 3 a.m. on my cycle back in the days. Very cool ride. :D

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:35 PM

I’m dawg sitting this week for friends. Pool, 4 lots off the intracoastal, rum,wine,beer, and some agricultural refresment. Why do I have a mad, burning desire for a 64 oz. Pepsi?

katy the mean old lady on June 2, 2012 at 9:53 PM

I don’t know, but I’m enjoying a huge bowl of cereal, what does that say about me?

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 11:35 PM

PatriotGal2257 on June 2, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Sorry, I meant Clockwork Orange… There are an abundance of sci fi movies with no plot but lots of explosions, didn’t see that one. Time for me to go to sleep, brain is fuzzy.

Fenris on June 2, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Not a fan of big cities.
predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Yeah, I didn’t live in the city itself. I’m from Long Island. I liked being able to get to the city when I wanted, but home was in the tranquility of the burbs. There are definitely parts of NYC you don’t even want to have to drive through if you can help it. But other parts of it are just exciting and crazy (in a good way).

lynncgb on June 2, 2012 at 11:37 PM

the prohibitionist/authoritarian streak is broad and deep. There used to be a term ‘punitive leftism’. That’s why all the boobs voting for any leftist to get money or ‘security’ is playing a fools game.

Now, I don’t doubt that many of the people getting government checks don’t mind a little authoritarian impulse…after all, how else would they survive? But in the end, they will lose, just like everyone else.

prohibition was popular…but was reversed. Somehow, i think the country has become much more complacent. It will be a long time before Bloomberg is reversed. Hopefully, some day, in 100 years, historians will mock these people.

r keller on June 2, 2012 at 11:37 PM

I went to buy my 1 yr old nephew jeans online..the Gap and other retailers. The baby jeans were “skinny jeans” The majority.
Really, that says something. Skinny babies!

And I agree with you on women.

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Meat on the bones is healthy. Skinny looks, and is, unhealthy and weak.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:37 PM

I have fantasies about “visiting” that statue with an M1-A1 Abrams tank. But that’s just me.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:23 PM

My fantasies usually involve naked women-or Mitt winning.

gerrym51 on June 2, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 11:29 PM

I have zero desire to visit.

I went to Philly once..wont ever go again. Hell Hole.
Sad, Independence Hall and the liberty bell were within 2 blocks of some scary sh$t.
Guess that’s why it is dubbed Killadelphia.

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 11:38 PM

I’d pay money to watch that!

DoubleClutchin on June 2, 2012 at 11:30 PM

And if I could, I’d gladly do it for your entertainment–for free.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:39 PM

I went to Philly once..wont ever go again. Hell Hole.
Sad, Independence Hall and the liberty bell were within 2 blocks of some scary sh$t.
Guess that’s why it is dubbed Killadelphia.

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 11:38 PM

I was out there for a while in the 70s. We called it “Philthadelphia.”

Lived at 10th and Ellsworth. An Italian neighborhood back then. Bet it ain’t now.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:41 PM

“With a crime rate of 55 per one thousand residents, Chicago has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes”

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 11:27 PM

I have a girlfriend who is generally a decent person who thinks she wants to live in Chicago someday. I think she’s nuts on that point, but hey. Her oldest daughter attended college there and is now working in the city, so I got a mild kick out of tweaking my friend by asking her if her daughter was OK with Chicago’s tendency to tax, regulate and impose fines virtually everything. She looked at me and said, well, yes, her daughter has noticed that there are a lot of extra … how shall we say … expenses to live and work there beyond the usual.

PatriotGal2257 on June 2, 2012 at 11:41 PM

bazil9 on June 2, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Yep.Isn’t that where The Move occurred? And no I don’t mean this The Move.

Bmore on June 2, 2012 at 11:41 PM

My fantasies usually involve naked women-or Mitt winning.

gerrym51 on June 2, 2012 at 11:38 PM

I forgot to mention that Mary Katherine Ham and Katie Pavlich would be in the tank with me.

predator on June 2, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Fenris on June 2, 2012 at 11:35 PM

That’s OK. “Clockwork Orange” was one of those movies I wished I’d never seen in the first place.

PatriotGal2257 on June 2, 2012 at 11:44 PM

We don’t talk politics now.

Happy Nomad on June 2, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Sometimes that’s best. I was a conservative in a blue state and I bit my tongue a lot too.

lynncgb on June 2, 2012 at 11:44 PM

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