Chris Christie crosses the Amazon (dot com)

posted at 2:01 pm on June 2, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

Last month we noted that Michigan had joined the list of states where governors and legislatures were wrestling with the issue of lost tax revenue through internet sales. (The “Amazon tax” concept, as it’s come to be known.) Now yet another voice has jumped into the debate and it comes from one of the rising stars of the GOP. Chris Christie has made the move to support the idea of the Marketplace Fairness Act at what may seem an odd time… just as Amazon announced that they will be setting up shop in the Garden State.

Online retail giant Amazon.com plans to build two huge distribution centers in New Jersey, creating what Gov. Chris Christie said today will be 1,500 full-time jobs.

But New Jerseyans intent on buying a big-screen TV or laptop computer should act quickly: Come July 2013, Amazon will start collecting a 7 percent state sales tax — whether or not the sprawling warehouses are built.

“We will now in the state of New Jersey begin collecting sales tax at least from a fraction of the market we otherwise would not have gotten,” Christie said at a Statehouse news conference, adding the deal would also lead to “thousands” of part-time, seasonal and construction jobs.

Amazon and other out-of-state online retailers currently do not collect the 7 percent sales taxes from New Jersey customers that in-state merchants are required to charge. Although residents are supposed to pay the levy when they file their income tax returns, few do.

Regular readers know that I’ve been on the fence about this question ever since the MFA first surfaced, but reading Christie’s comments has highlighted two points for me in a way I hadn’t considered before. First there’s the issue of a “new tax” and the reaction that generally gets from fiscal conservatives. Read the last line of the quoted text again for an important reminder on this. In most of these cases, just as in New Jersey, there was already supposed to be a tax being collected. The theory was that the government wouldn’t collect it, but people would voluntarily report those purchases when tax time rolled around and just send the money in. So how did that work out? When you finish laughing you’ll note that it worked precisely as well as you thought. Nobody did it.

The second, and perhaps more important part, comes from this video of the Governor’s remarks on the MFA. There’s an important distinction between various proposals which have surfaced to tackle this problem, and Christie highlights one of the more important ones. (Remarks come at the 6:27 mark if you want to skip ahead, but the video is full of good information. I’ll embed it below.)

“I just want to make clear…I’ve been working on this issue in my role on the executive committee of the National Governors Association, because it is an important issue to all of the Nation’s governors. I too, along with governors like Governor Daniels and others, urge the federal government and the Congress, in particular, to get behind Senator Lamar Alexander’s legislation to allow states to be able to make these choices for themselves. I think Senator Alexander’s legislation would be a great step forward, in that regard. It would give states options to decide how they want to deal with this and not have to any longer deal with the federal prohibition dealing with it. So, it would allow us to do it in a much more uniform and broader way. So, I’m with Governor Daniels on this and other Republican governors – Governor Snyder of Michigan and others who feel strongly about it.”

(Emphasis mine.) Among different ideas, some of the worst concepts were ones which had me worried that this would turn out to be some sort of federal mandate to collect the tax. (Or worse, have Washington collecting one itself.) If it turned into some sort of de facto federal tax scheme it was dead on arrival. But Christie’s take on it highlights the need for Washington to “get out of the way” and simply allow each state to handle the question of collecting sales taxes on internet sales as they see best. I think that’s something very different.

And besides, don’t forget who is saying this. Christie’s untouchable, so this should seal the deal. Let’s face it… the guy is going to wind up either being President or Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire and ruling the world. Do you really want to cross him?

Here’s the video from above so you can listen to the governor’s remarks and judge for yourself.


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Only solution to this for Dems and RINOs, for tax ‘expenditures’ –

Tax Ireland!

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Shouldn’t O’bama be able to talk to some of his relatives over there and sort things out?

rightmind on May 21, 2013 at 8:09 PM

That is called “competition’. Something Obama understands about as well as he spells or pronounces common words.

pat on May 21, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Abolish the corporate tax. It isn’t even close to being worth having. Just make dividends part of income.

Count to 10 on May 21, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Don’t touch the Guinness…

d1carter on May 21, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Don’t touch the Guinness…

d1carter on May 21, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Tax it like hell!

It’s costing American liberals spending money.

What are you — anti-American?

I bet you’d shoot a guy you might catch raping a woman, without knowing his circumstances and how he feels.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Since some of my companies do business offshore, I am as guilty as Apple, albeit on a comparatively infinitesimal scale, in setting up Irish holding companies that place company funds in American banks and other American-based financial vehicles. All perfectly legal.

Why, because I don’t wish to pay a single penny more in taxes, no matter to which government that’s involved. Why does Apple do it or, for that matter, any other huge publicly traded entity do it? Well, if they didn’t, they’d be open to shareholder suits for “wasting corporate assets” or shareholder “Change of Management” proxy fights at their next annual meeting, which would be prosecuted by some multi-billion dollar investment fund holders.

A publicly held company has a lot more scrutiny, due to its board’s fiduciary duty to shareholders, than does a simple, greedy bastard like me.

TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 8:18 PM

I bet you’d shoot a guy you might catch raping a woman, without knowing his circumstances and how he feels.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:15 PM

lol, He was just socially awkward and didn’t know how to ask politely.

arnold ziffel on May 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM

A publicly held company has a lot more scrutiny, due to its board’s fiduciary duty to shareholders, than does a simple, greedy bastard like me.

TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 8:18 PM

I hope you get filthy rich.

And never hire liberals.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM

I love to mention this sort of stuff to my Apple using lib friends.

How Apple uses foreign labor (toss in exploit for extra effect) and minimizes their tax exposure thru perfectly legal means.

Fun to watch them squirm.

Hill60 on May 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Ban St Patrick’s Day parades !!

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM

lol, He was just socially awkward and didn’t know how to ask politely.

arnold ziffel on May 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Kill a rapist, offend a liberal.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Ban St Patrick’s Day parades !!

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM

No! We can’t do THAT!

Tax it instead! See — a level playing field.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:23 PM

If following the law to avoid paying taxes is wrong, can we impeach Obama on the fact that he claimed deductions on his 1040?

malclave on May 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM

If following the law to avoid paying taxes is wrong, can we impeach Obama on the fact that he claimed deductions on his 1040?

malclave on May 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM

That’s funny. When Clinton made one of his returns public years ago, he wrote off his used undershorts at $2.50 each.

I don’t file a long form any more. But when I did, I never claimed my charitable donations. What I return to God does not leave me room to try getting back a piece of it.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:31 PM

I’d like to travel back into the past and bitchslap everyone involved in setting up LoN/UN

dmacleo on May 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

I hope you get filthy rich.

And never hire liberals.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Well, when your choice is paying the Irish 12.5% on offshore earnings vs. the IRS’s 35% on same, almost three times as much, this Texan’s ready to share a pint and a “top ‘o the mornin’ to ye.”

TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Tax it instead! See — a level playing field.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Great !
Now let them try to tax Cinco de Mayo parade ,
you know for a level playing field !!

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Well, when your choice is paying the Irish 12.5% on offshore earnings vs. the IRS’s 35% on same, almost three times as much, this Texan’s ready to share a pint and a “top ‘o the mornin’ to ye.”

TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Long as ye buy the first pint, we celebrate!

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Great !
Now let them try to tax Cinco de Mayo parade ,
you know for a level playing field !!

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

That would be racist, man. What is wrong with you?

The Irish aren’t a minority.

Why do I hang out with you people? /

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Long as ye buy the first pint, we celebrate!

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Nigh a problem, William. I’ll buy the pints, you bring the lassies.

TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Nigh a problem, William. I’ll buy the pints, you bring the lassies.

TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Deal!

I have a thing for redheads. That okay there?

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Éirinn go Brách (or for my English friends, Erin go Bragh)

IrishEyes on May 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Éirinn go Brách (or for my English friends, Erin go Bragh)

IrishEyes on May 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

From an American of Scot lineage: Ciamar a tha thu?

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Tax Bono.

Ronnie on May 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

I don’t file a long form any more. But when I did, I never claimed my charitable donations. What I return to God does not leave me room to try getting back a piece of it.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:31 PM

That’s one way of looking at it, the other way of looking at it, is that by claiming the deduction, it provides more to give. i.e, if you are in the 28% bracket, if you don’t take the deduction, for every dollar you donate, you have to earn $1.39.

AZfederalist on May 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Tax Bono.

Ronnie on May 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

+1000

Out his a$$!

He’s nothing but an international panhandler in a Bond Street suit.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM

That’s one way of looking at it, the other way of looking at it, is that by claiming the deduction, it provides more to give. i.e, if you are in the 28% bracket, if you don’t take the deduction, for every dollar you donate, you have to earn $1.39.

AZfederalist on May 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM

I’m no longer in position to itemize. But I have a personal religious view. I worked from there.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:01 PM

But I have a personal religious view. I worked from there.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:01 PM

I do, too. If I get $100 bill from a bank (I hate $100 bills) I put it in the first charity box I see, wrapped in a $1. We’re not rich, rich. We just have a little breathing room. My philosophy is good deeds don’t count if you tell someone or claim it as a deduction. My accountant hates me… lol.

Fallon on May 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM

I do, too. If I get $100 bill from a bank (I hate $100 bills) I put it in the first charity box I see, wrapped in a $1. We’re not rich, rich. We just have a little breathing room. My philosophy is good deeds don’t count if you tell someone or claim it as a deduction. My accountant hates me… lol.

Fallon on May 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM

I’m of the view, as according to Scripture, that for what we do in private with the Lord, He will reward us openly.

I believe as you do.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

I do, too. If I get $100 bill from a bank (I hate $100 bills) I put it in the first charity box I see, wrapped in a $1. We’re not rich, rich. We just have a little breathing room. My philosophy is good deeds don’t count if you tell someone or claim it as a deduction. My accountant hates me… lol.

Everybody needs to do what their conscience tells them. I think where one would get off track is if one were to give because it is tax deducttible.

AZfederalist on May 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

… as far as giving without publicizing it; up until this week, I was under the impression that my charitable donations were completely private and that the IRS would keep those records private.

AZfederalist on May 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Everybody needs to do what their conscience tells them. I think where one would get off track is if one were to give because it is tax deducttible.

AZfederalist on May 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

THAT describes a liberal.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Everybody needs to do what their conscience tells them. I think where one would get off track is if one were to give because it is tax deducttible.

AZfederalist on May 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Think about it — Bill Clinton deducted from his $2.50 a pair for his ‘donated undershorts, and we’re expected to think he’s somehow a ‘nice guy’?

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:18 PM

I’m in a bad mood all day.

Give me a troll to chew on.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:21 PM

We do a lot of things wrong in Ireland
but the corporate tax rate was one of the things we did right
now the eurocrats want to take it away

breffnian on May 21, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Apple: “Hey Ireland how about a low tax rate?”

Ireland: Brilliant!

Apple: Brilliant!

BKennedy on May 21, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Hill60 on May 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Good. That’s my only problem with Apple doing this; that they are a bunch of hypocritical progs.

As to declaring taxes, I’ve considered the doing in private aspect, and really respect those who chose that route, but when I consider all the pure evil the government does with my tax dollar, I chose to keep as much out of their wicked hands as legally possible. I still fear it won’t be enough to wash me of the guilt I have in continuing to fund that evil.

pannw on May 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM

While Ireland misses out on some tax revenue, analysts say its economy more than makes up for this in other ways, including the tens of thousands of jobs that American technology companies have created there – and the income taxes that well-paid programmers and executives contribute to the Irish treasury.

The proggie lib hears only “misses out on … tax revenue” and says, “That’s not fair! You’re not paying your fair share!”

When asked about the jobs, the proggie lib responds indignantly, “Well, since you won’t give EVERYONE a well-paying programmer or executive job, then THAT’S NOT FAIR either!”

When told life isn’t fair, the proggie lib snarls, “Once the government controls everything, IT WILL BE!”

Marcola on May 22, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Letting too many snakes onto the Emerald Isle in P.C. stupidity.

O’Sharia.

profitsbeard on May 22, 2013 at 3:49 AM

Say there wasn’t anyone on that panel that has a rich heiress wife that shelters her NINE-figure fortune in a Trust, is there?

Cough-Cindy-Cough-McCain…

Tekov Yahoser on May 22, 2013 at 4:57 AM

I guess the Senate Democrats figured they’d found a pot o’ gold.

Odysseus on May 22, 2013 at 7:27 AM

The nerve of those Irish.

Not taxing everyone that wants to do business in their country over 50%. To not support their ruling elite with well earned compensation and benefits such as “seperate but equal” healthcare, pensions/social security, immunity from tax and regulations as well as most non felonious law.

They are obviously infidels and heathens unworthy of our fearless leaders support.

acyl72 on May 22, 2013 at 7:31 AM