NYT: Obama personally overseeing U.S. intel’s Al Qaeda “kill list”
posted at 4:01 pm on May 29, 2012 by Allahpundit
A dynamite piece, well worth 10 minutes of your time. In fact, there’s no better proof of just how far O’s “evolved” from his 2008 counterterror posture to the “Cheney lite” figure we know today than the number of sources who cooperated with the Times on this story. This isn’t just one “senior administration official” blabbing to a reporter about how the White House handles terror targets; this is “three dozen of his current and former advisers,” including Dennis Blair and Bill Daley on the record, cooperating. They want people to know about this, likely for two reasons. One: It’s a bit of transparency to try to pacify critics of the process, not unlike the NYT story from last October that revealed the basic thrust of the OLC memo that approved the targeting of U.S. citizen Anwar al-Awlaki. By releasing dribs and drabs of info to the Times instead of the underlying materials themselves, the White House keeps one foot in the “disclosure” camp and the other in the secrecy camp. Two: It’s a way to boost the campaign narrative of Obama as the strong, decisive leader who’s pummeling Al Qaeda. Remember, after he spiked the football on the anniversary of the Bin Laden killing, he was criticized for taking credit that rightfully belonged entirely to the SEALs. This piece is an implicit rebuttal: He’s more hands-on than you’d think. Savor the irony that the guy whom the left elected as a repudiation of Bush/Cheney is now using the NYT to make sure that people know he’s personally giving the thumbs-down to jihadis in the Oval Office.
There are too many interesting passages for the standard three-paragraph blockquote so let me snatch a few of the more intriguing details for you. First, how O used squirrelly weasel words in his executive order banning rendition to make sure that, er, rendition wasn’t banned:
“The way this is written, you are going to take us out of the rendition business,” Mr. Rizzo told Gregory B. Craig, Mr. Obama’s White House counsel, referring to the much-criticized practice of grabbing a terrorist suspect abroad and delivering him to another country for interrogation or trial. The problem, Mr. Rizzo explained, was that the C.I.A. sometimes held such suspects for a day or two while awaiting a flight. The order appeared to outlaw that.
Mr. Craig assured him that the new president had no intention of ending rendition — only its abuse, which could lead to American complicity in torture abroad. So a new definition of “detention facility” was inserted, excluding places used to hold people “on a short-term, transitory basis.” Problem solved — and no messy public explanation damped Mr. Obama’s celebration.
If you’ve ever wondered why those drone strikes in Pakistan are so good at avoiding civilian casualties, wonder no longer:
It is also because Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent…
[I]n interviews, three former senior intelligence officials expressed disbelief that the number [of civilian casualties] could be so low. The C.I.A. accounting has so troubled some administration officials outside the agency that they have brought their concerns to the White House. One called it “guilt by association” that has led to “deceptive” estimates of civilian casualties.
According to former Obama NSA Gen. James Jones, they’ve waved off plenty of attacks at the 11th hour for fear of civilian casualties — but not always (Taliban capo Baitullah Mehsud was targeted despite being with his wife at the time). Their rule of thumb seems to be that they’ll cancel an attack if women or children are around unless the jihadi being targeted is especially important. If Ayman Zawahiri’s driver is spotted with his young son, I’d bet he’d be spared. The big Z himself, not so much.
Finally, a revealing insight into how Obama’s dislike for basic retail politics helps thwart his policy ambitions:
General Jones said the president and his aides had assumed that closing the prison [Gitmo] was “a no-brainer — the United States will look good around the world.” The trouble was, he added, “nobody asked, ‘O.K., let’s assume it’s a good idea, how are you going to do this?’ “
It was not only Mr. Obama’s distaste for legislative backslapping and arm-twisting, but also part of a deeper pattern, said an administration official who has watched him closely: the president seemed to have “a sense that if he sketches a vision, it will happen — without his really having thought through the mechanism by which it will happen.”
That’s the story of “hope and change” from 2008 until now in a perfect little nutshell. As I say, read it all or you’ll miss the details I left out, including one of Bush’s lawyers marveling at how much more comfortable with Gitmo the world became in January 2009 and the fact that David Axelrod, of all people, had taken to sitting in on Obama’s terror briefings. How much input did he have on whether to target a particular terrorist (e.g., another U.S. citizen like Awlaki) if it might prove “problematic” for November? See why I think they had a political angle in leaking so much of this to the Times?
Via Mediaite, here’s Joe Scarborough fretting over the fact that O is personally approving targets on the “kill list.” Actually, I think it’d be more worrisome if he wasn’t personally approving them but was farming them out entirely to bureaucrats. By leaving his own fingerprints on the decision to strike, he’s making himself more accountable to voters. This way, if something goes horribly wrong, he can’t play dumb and pretend that it was done without his permission.
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can we read the posts yet?
OmahaConservative on May 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Don’t worry, Code Pink will all vote for him anyway.
spiritof61 on May 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM
What’s the deal with this scrolling to the bottom of page only to find no posts?
Electrongod on May 29, 2012 at 4:04 PM
The kill lists are written on the back of the presidential golf score cards, its the only way they can get him to read it.
TheLoudTalker on May 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Good God! Imagine if it had come to light that Bush or Cheney had advocated a policy like that.
Doughboy on May 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Kaptain KickAss is back! No, this summer you won’t see him in mom jeans on a girls bike. Grrrrrr!
Marcus on May 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Crickets from the crowd who cried buckets of tears over waterboarding.
NoDonkey on May 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM
And watch for a military intervention/adventure of some kind this summer as well. Lot of ignorant jingo votes available.
spiritof61 on May 29, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Someone needs to fix this page. It was no picnic running down 30 flights of steps to leave a comment.
CurtZHP on May 29, 2012 at 4:08 PM
I am glad that there will be no more capturing and water-boarding of these people. Everyone knows that water-boarding is torture. It is better for Obama to be the judge, jury and executioner. And, of course his base is just fine with that.
SC.Charlie on May 29, 2012 at 4:08 PM
But he has no knowledge of the Fast and Furious gun program.
rogerb on May 29, 2012 at 4:08 PM
I sincerely hope there isn’t a single HA reader who is ok with this, but I’m afraid plenty are.
Dante on May 29, 2012 at 4:08 PM
Does it mean that Ron Paul supporters cannot vote for Obama now?
Archivarix on May 29, 2012 at 4:09 PM
AP, did you break the interwebs??
CurtZHP on May 29, 2012 at 4:09 PM
What could go wrong?
shinty on May 29, 2012 at 4:10 PM
If the clown idiot is really “personally overseeing” this, pray for our Special Ops and CIA people who will have to pay for his incompetence with their blood and guts. Then get thrown under the bus.
kekelaward on May 29, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Those of us using Firefox cannot read the blog comments, only the headline ones. I had to open up IE to read them…
OmahaConservative on May 29, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Oh he certainly can. There’s likely a scapegoat plan on file.
NoDonkey on May 29, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Many still will anyway.
shinty on May 29, 2012 at 4:11 PM
…he eats dog too!
KOOLAID2 on May 29, 2012 at 4:12 PM
Stunning admission. Wow.
MikeknaJ on May 29, 2012 at 4:12 PM
Can’t read comments on Firefox or Chrome.
El_Terrible on May 29, 2012 at 4:13 PM
President Gutsy ??
FlaMurph on May 29, 2012 at 4:14 PM
Doesn’t this create MORE muslim terrorists? I’m completely confused.
SouthernGent on May 29, 2012 at 4:15 PM
This.
There would be hearings on Capital Hill within a week.
WisRich on May 29, 2012 at 4:15 PM
MARCO!!
CurtZHP on May 29, 2012 at 4:15 PM
WOW, bho has a ‘kill list’ AND an ‘enemy list’? What a man? bho has everyone in his cross hairs?
BTW, bho stinks!
L
letget on May 29, 2012 at 4:16 PM
I’d forgotten how bad I hate IE…
OmahaConservative on May 29, 2012 at 4:16 PM
They said if I voted for John McCain for President that the President would preside of a “Star Chamber” .. and they were right.
J_Crater on May 29, 2012 at 4:16 PM
And still, this says it all.
Schadenfreude on May 29, 2012 at 4:17 PM
US military age or are we talking boys of any age who can be pressed into serving in military/militia/rebel groups?
journeyintothewhirlwind on May 29, 2012 at 4:17 PM
Of what part of “this” do you speak? I am glad Gitmo is still open for business.
His new way to count civilian casualities is a bit slimy and cowardly. And the hypocrisy of it all is mind boggling, but I wouldn’t expect any less.
jazzuscounty on May 29, 2012 at 4:17 PM
Our “friends” in the Middle East aren’t going to like that very much.
What a shame. All that bowing to foreign kings, down the drain!
UltimateBob on May 29, 2012 at 4:18 PM
Not giving the NYT my web time. But I’m curious: Does the article say which officers and enlisteds are going to take the long fall when our non-buck-stopping POTUS makes a bad call?
apostic on May 29, 2012 at 4:18 PM
Surely we’ll see the mighty shirtless One soon. He’ll strike up a Putin-esque pose and maybe he’ll even find that Aids cure while wrestling crocodiles.
rhombus on May 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM
No problem here, using Safari.
UltimateBob on May 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM
No Kidding. Early in 2009 the President would hold workshops on such topics as unemployment, small business incentives, etc. There would be a luncheon during which Mr. Obama would give a nice speech and then everyone would break out into small discussion groups, and then report to the large group at the end of the afternoon. It was obvious that at the end of the the day, Mr. O assumed that the problem of the day had been completely solved. Presidenting is sooooo easy.
esr1951 on May 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM
Comments are back!
El_Terrible on May 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM
Media is pumping up Obama as a foreign policy expert/warrior as prep work for any foreign policy blow-ups come summer or fall. (i.e. Israel v. Iran, Egypt, etc)
aquaviva on May 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM
“I have a big head and little arms. I’m just not sure how well this plan was thought through.” – Meet the Robinsons
AubieJon on May 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM
Buttsy call Mr. President!
El_Terrible on May 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM
Why is David Axelrod in these meetings???? And why do we have to read more than 3/4 of the story before getting to this important fact?
rockmom on May 29, 2012 at 4:21 PM
The NYT — Dear Leader’s mouthpiece.
farsighted on May 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM
I have no problem counting all military age males as combatants, other than the 0′s blatant hypocrisy. Obama, or any executive, making the decision, is a real problem. The executive branch has gotten far too powerful. Then again, this is probably nothing but bs trying to make the 0 look gutsy.
txhsmom on May 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM
This at NRO:
Glenn Greenwald Nukes President Barack H. Cheney
hepcat on May 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM
is there a nobel piece prize? he makes terrorists into little pieces. to place next to his other one.
t8stlikchkn on May 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM
I had to close and restart Firefox in order to read the comments…
OmahaConservative on May 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo,Dopey/Ragey does have a “Enemy List”!
(sarc)
canopfor on May 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM
It’s good to know that Mittens Romnbama has already been so vocal about undoing this sort of thing, putting an end to the Patriot Act, NDAA, etc. and being so public about how bad he thinks this type of power is for a president to have. I feel better about that.
oh, wait…. it wasn’t him that said that stuff….. oh yeah! nevermind.
armedcitizen on May 29, 2012 at 4:24 PM
Probably the best line in the entire piece. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t President Obama in the “legal profession” for something like a year or two after law school? What exactly is it that he misses so much about it and why did he leave to become a community organizer if it was that imporant to him?
Conservative in NOVA on May 29, 2012 at 4:24 PM
4 and up.
Those not wearing bras and mini-skirts.
thirtyandseven on May 29, 2012 at 4:24 PM
President Peace Prize, at work again!
search4truth on May 29, 2012 at 4:24 PM
…don’t you think that calls for another Nobel Peace Prize?
…or does he have to wait to get one again, until after they give him the Nobel Laureate in Economics?
KOOLAID2 on May 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM
AP, you are as full of it as BHO! You’re a lawyer too, right?
tomshup on May 29, 2012 at 4:26 PM
“Just make sure you don’t leave any piece we’ll have to send to Guantanamo.”
hepcat on May 29, 2012 at 4:26 PM
No , that’s medias roll.
the_nile on May 29, 2012 at 4:26 PM
Breaking……from BendOver BackWards News(BBN)
Democrats are livid,angryed,and are Outrageously OutRaged at
President Bush/Chenegy’s reveleation of “Kill List”,and want
another investigation,leading to further possible “War Crimes”!!
(snark).
canopfor on May 29, 2012 at 4:27 PM
So you DON’T think its problematic that a lifetime politician “community organizer” is the final arbiter of who is and isn’t a terror target ?
Isn’t that, I don’t know, a function of the MILITARY ? I don’t give a rat’s ass if he is technically the CiC of the military. He doesn’t know squat about anything remotely related to the military. That kind of day-in day-out decision making should not be left up to the President.
Except in Bizzaro World, maybe.
deadrody on May 29, 2012 at 4:27 PM
…JugEars thnks he’s playing Wii…and wants the controls too!
KOOLAID2 on May 29, 2012 at 4:27 PM
I remember that too. The man has absolutely no business running a lemonade stand, let alone the country.
txhsmom on May 29, 2012 at 4:28 PM
Isn’t Axelclod the reelection czar , so there you have it.
the_nile on May 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Angry Birds.
AubieJon on May 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM
I’s amazing what a micromanager can squeeze in between golf games.
hepcat on May 29, 2012 at 4:30 PM
CORRECTION:
BBN,aplogises for the mix-up,in our story,
thats President Obama and GaffeBiden,we are sorry for
the typo!!(snark)
canopfor on May 29, 2012 at 4:30 PM
The elections are coming….the elections are coming …..
The dog eating choomer in mom jeans needs to look like a superhero :O
burrata on May 29, 2012 at 4:31 PM
Because he can throw his voice while Valerie Jarret pulls the strings.
batterup on May 29, 2012 at 4:31 PM
Hope and
ChangeHope and Kablooey™
hepcat on May 29, 2012 at 4:32 PM
Why are they surprised? Obama’s fellow editors on the Harvard law review said Obama was lazy, rarely ever appeared in the LR offices, and when he did deign to show up, he’d stay for just a few minutes and then leave, announcing that he preferred to “work” from home. As we all know, Obama wrote nothing for the review except a single page, unsigned note (on his favorite topic, abortion).
As a state legislator in Illinois, Obama was known for doing next to nothing, while king-maker Emil Jones put Obama’s name on any important legislation he thought might enhance Obama’s career prospects (“I’m gonna make me a U.S. Senator!”). When Obama had to turn in a manuscript to fulfill his publishing contract, he reportedly handed over his notes and outlines to his good buddy Billy Ayers, to put the mess into readable form for him.
Obama has spent most of his pampered life expecting or demanding that other people to do his work for him; the sad part is, they’ve complied.
AZCoyote on May 29, 2012 at 4:33 PM
Methinks it’s all about that pesky thing called SS# !
burrata on May 29, 2012 at 4:34 PM
OOTW winner for sure — maybe even Obamateurism of the Year.
FlatFoot on May 29, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Yes, but is he on the side of the suicide bombers or capitalist pigs?
txhsmom on May 29, 2012 at 4:34 PM
IOW, Dear Leader doesn’t have a list of guys he wants “Dead or Alive”, he just has a list of guys he just wants dead.
Only liberals can be this blatantly hypocritical and hope to get away with it, because they have the MSM on their side.
farsighted on May 29, 2012 at 4:35 PM
I had to look twice to find Obama in that picture.
Schadenfreude on May 29, 2012 at 4:35 PM
Easy as shooting hoops.
Fallon on May 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM
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preallocated on May 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM
A dynamite piece, well worth 10 minutes of your time. In fact, there’s no better proof of just how far O’s “evolved” from his 2008 counterterror posture to the “Cheney lite” figure we know today than the number of sources who cooperated with the Times on this story.
===========
Smacks of Political ReImage Election ReShaping,
for Team 0…..Warrior-In-Chief!!
canopfor on May 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM
So that “Peace Prize” is going back, right?
GarandFan on May 29, 2012 at 4:39 PM
He’s more hands-on than you’d think….ooookay,
so
let’s hear the other side of this story, what do the SEAL Team 6 have to say about it ?
Oooopps …..the choomer took care of that :(
Now the only truth is what the NYT and Weinstein tell us is the truth .
burrata on May 29, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Lib Media 2004-2008:“Dropping Water on terrorist is torture!! How can we live with ourselves? This is not an America I am proud of!”
Lib Media 2009-2012:“Dropping Bombs on terrorists and their families is humane. I am proud to be an American!!”
portlandon on May 29, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Well, since the Taliban “presses into service” little boys that they drag with them cave-to-cave as “concubines,” that takes the age down to just about old enough to lift an AK-47 off the ground.
iurockhead on May 29, 2012 at 4:42 PM
When does Mattel or Hasbro come out with the President Obama Action figure with movable wrist with the Thumb up or Thumb down movement?
portlandon on May 29, 2012 at 4:43 PM
By releasing dribs and drabs of info to the Times instead of the underlying materials themselves, the White House keeps one foot in the “disclosure” camp and the other in the secrecy camp
========================================================
KGB Tactics,and,
John Edwards other America, me thinks?????!!!!!
(sarc)
canopfor on May 29, 2012 at 4:43 PM
Lib Media 2004-2008:“Dropping Water on terrorist is torture!! How can we live with ourselves? This is not an America I am proud of!”
Lib Media 2009-2012:“Dropping Bombs on terrorists and their families is humane. I am proud to be an American!!”
portlandon on May 29, 2012 at 4:41 PM
portlandon:Thats percisely the Lefty ProgTard Mindset!:)
canopfor on May 29, 2012 at 4:45 PM
…………….POLO!!
KOOLAID2 on May 29, 2012 at 4:46 PM
Cam we see the ones he DIDN’T approve.
That’s the real story here.
Who, and why not.
profitsbeard on May 29, 2012 at 4:46 PM
President lazy punk.
If some effort was made to capture the big players and interrogate them, actionable intelligence could be gathered. But that’s a messy business. More messy than simply blowing them all straight into Allah’s Snackbar.
CorporatePiggy on May 29, 2012 at 4:48 PM
Isn’t this the kind of stuff that had all the libtards (code pink, etc) screaming that Bush should be jailed as a war criminal?
So where’s the call for Obummer’s war crimes trial??????
dentarthurdent on May 29, 2012 at 4:49 PM
LBJ picked targets in Viet Nam… Hopefully PBHO will follow the same reelection strategery…
Khun Joe on May 29, 2012 at 4:51 PM
What if the public was mislead by media?..
the_nile on May 29, 2012 at 4:52 PM
Didn’t Bush supporters say the same thing about a post-911 world and the liberals all pile on them about that kind of reasoning? Is the NY Times just going to accept this kind of reasoning now b/c it is a liberal in the White House? (hint: that last question is rhetorical).
Conservative in NOVA on May 29, 2012 at 4:54 PM
LBJ spent his mornings selecting bombing targets while sipping coffee with McNamara. American field commanders in Southeast Asia waited for this coffee tete-a-tete to find out whether yesterday’s target of opportunity might be belatedly bombed today.
It didn’t work out so hot for LBJ.
PopsRacer on May 29, 2012 at 4:54 PM
The Obamian logic on enemy combatants reminds me of the helicopter scene in Full Metal Jacket:
Joker: What’re you shootin’ at?
Gunner: VC.
Joker: How do you know they’re VC?
Gunner: Because they’re running.
Joker: What about the ones who aren’t running?
Gunner: They’re well trained VC.
PopsRacer on May 29, 2012 at 4:58 PM
lowereastside could not be reached for comment.
Del Dolemonte on May 29, 2012 at 5:01 PM
And yet, no one is trying to arrest Obama for “war crimes”. Go figure.
Meryl Yourish on May 29, 2012 at 5:01 PM
Here’s a comment from the NYT, that basically says it all:
preallocated on May 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM
obama has much more flexibility because he knows that the press has his back. they’ll go along with any definition of collateral damage he wants.
and since he’s so much smarter (and cuter) than W he doesn’t make as many mistakes….gutsy man
r keller on May 29, 2012 at 5:03 PM
AP,
You should’ve used this photo of LBJ in the Situation Room micromanaging the Vietnam War.
Christien on May 29, 2012 at 5:04 PM
And don’t forget, Chimpy Bush “created more terrorists” when he did this kind of stuff, but O’bongbowl killed bin Laden with his bare hands and absolutely no new terrorists were created.
Del Dolemonte on May 29, 2012 at 5:06 PM
The whole piece is a campaign ad about his centrism and pragmatism.
When bush killed and tortured for fun and profit , Obama “attempt to apply the “just war” theories of Christian philosophers to a brutal modern conflict”
the_nile on May 29, 2012 at 5:06 PM
RE: Fast and Furious
kirkill on May 29, 2012 at 5:08 PM
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