Hayes apologizes for “heroes” comments

posted at 2:41 pm on May 29, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

After an avalanche of criticism from his Sunday commentary, MSNBC weekend host and editor of The Nation Chris Hayes apologized for his comments on servicemembers who gave their lives in defense of the country:

On Sunday, in discussing the uses of the word “hero” to describe those members of the armed forces who have given their lives, I don’t think I lived up to the standards of rigor, respect and empathy for those affected by the issues we discuss that I’ve set for myself. I am deeply sorry for that.

As many have rightly pointed out, it’s very easy for me, a TV host, to opine about the people who fight our wars, having never dodged a bullet or guarded a post or walked a mile in their boots. Of course, that is true of the overwhelming majority of our nation’s citizens as a whole. One of the points made during Sunday’s show was just how removed most Americans are from the wars we fight, how small a percentage of our population is asked to shoulder the entire burden and how easy it becomes to never read the names of those who are wounded and fight and die, to not ask questions about the direction of our strategy in Afghanistan, and to assuage our own collective guilt about this disconnect with a pro-forma ritual that we observe briefly before returning to our barbecues.

But in seeking to discuss the civilian-military divide and the social distance between those who fight and those who don’t, I ended up reinforcing it, conforming to a stereotype of a removed pundit whose views are not anchored in the very real and very wrenching experience of this long decade of war. And for that I am truly sorry.

That didn’t satisfy all of Hayes’ critics.  A group called Silver Star Families wants Hayes fired:

An angry Steve Newton, Founder of the Silver Star Families of America, called on Chris Hayes to resign or be terminated for his recent comments on MSNBC on the fallen of the United States Military.

“Mr. Hayes comments that he is somehow “uncomfortable” with the word “hero” to describe our fallen Soldiers are reprehensible.  As with a lot of the pundits in Washington he seems unable to separate politics from the sacrifices of our military.”

He continued, “He seems to have no sense of the hurt his words will bring to the families and friends of those who have paid the ultimate price for his freedom.  I would strongly suggest another line of work for Mr. Hayes that might increase his empathy and his love of country—say in the military.”

While I understand how Chris Hayes made Newton and the families of those killed in service to our nation feel, for what reason would Hayes be fired?  He’s paid to have an opinion.  Granted, this opinion is out there on the fringe, but take another look at the video from Sunday.  Hayes didn’t foam at the mouth, slander or libel anyone, or call for the overthrow of the United States.  The opinion might offend a great number of people, but Hayes appeared to be at least sincere and somewhat thoughtful in his presentation of it.  Ed Schultz can be more offensive when he clears his throat than Hayes was in this segment.  His apology comes across as sincere and fully accepting of responsibility for his own words, not a “sorry if you were offended by my brilliance” non-apology apology that is so fashionable in media and politics on both sides of the aisle.

Hayes is certainly open to criticism, as are we all, for what he writes and says.  Honest opinions offered by opinion journalists shouldn’t result in demands for dismissals merely because almost everyone disagrees with what was said or written, with or without an apology.  We can offer our opposing views without chasing someone from the open market of ideas, and the better ideas will prevail.  An apology should be sufficient, and in the case of MSNBC, rather noteworthy.

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Nope. You said it and are only backtracking to please others.

You are who you are whimpy.

Rich on May 29, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Too little too late…

OmahaConservative on May 29, 2012 at 2:43 PM

The problem was not what he said but what he thought or felt.

Appologizing changes nothing.

The Rock on May 29, 2012 at 2:43 PM

…don’t accept your apology sh!thead!

KOOLAID2 on May 29, 2012 at 2:44 PM

That didn’t satisfy all of Hayes’ critics. A group called Silver Star Families wants Hayes fired

Nah, don’t fire him. First of all, if that’s grounds for firing, there’d be almost no one left on MSDNC. Secondly, I say let Hayes spew his left-wing BS. He’s doing his side no favors.

Doughboy on May 29, 2012 at 2:44 PM

I thought for a lib apology it was above average. I’m not interested in silencing these people, there is no better example of who they are than their own words and actions.

Cindy Munford on May 29, 2012 at 2:45 PM

No.

MSNBC viewers expect this from their sewer pipes.

aquaviva on May 29, 2012 at 2:45 PM

I’m comfortable believing he’s emasculated.

rightside on May 29, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Why is it that the left sees no heroism in our military but they call people who contracted AIDS heroes? How much courage does it take to get a dissease?

Go figure.

The Rock on May 29, 2012 at 2:46 PM

I don’t care about him at all, it doesn’t matter to me if he stays or gets fired. It just is a further datum point as to what MSNBC is. Oh, and on behalf of my great uncle, killed in WWI, apology not accepted.

rbj on May 29, 2012 at 2:46 PM

No.

“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” – Napoleon

Prufrock on May 29, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Msdnc applauds this….he wont be fired

cmsinaz on May 29, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Since we conservatives and libertarians want a free marketplace of ideas then he is entitled to his opinion regardless of the offense it gives. Voted no he shouldn’t be fired even if he didn’t give an apology.

chemman on May 29, 2012 at 2:47 PM

One of the points made during Sunday’s show was just how removed most Americans are from the wars we fight, how small a percentage of our population is asked to shoulder the entire burden…

Yeah. That’s why they’re heroes, chump.

Typhoon on May 29, 2012 at 2:47 PM

No apology necessary. Just give him a gun, send him to some Middle Eastern hellhole, and let him do a full tour.

Archivarix on May 29, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Better to have him canceled for lack of ratings than fired for speech. This way we know who they are, and who supports them.

If they don’t cancel him for lack of ratings they will be wasting money that could be better used elsewhere.

cozmo on May 29, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Soldiers who have given their lives in service to their country are, without a doubt, the dictionary definition of the word “hero”. To suggest otherwise is reprehensible.

That having been said, I do think that we tend to throw the word “hero” around a bit too freely these days. I might get quite a bit of backlash for this, but I don’t believe every person who has ever served in the military is a hero.

But in our zeal at reversing the scars of the past with regards to treatment of the military, particularly from the Vietnam era, we tend to classify everyone who has ever worn the uniform as a hero, whether they served in active combat in Iraq and took a bullet for a comrade or whether they sat behind a desk in Washington, DC.

To apply a blanket term of “hero” to every person, regardless of their particular individual service history, is to diminish the meaning of the term and lessen the meaning of that word when properly applied to those who have committed true acts of heroism. In that respect, I do think we should be more circumspect about the use of the term.

With all that in mind, however, none of these is what Mr. Hayes was referring to. He was clearly talking about fallen soldiers. And he was wrong. And while I would be willing to accept a sincere apology from him, this is a classic “I apologize to anyone I offended” non-apology and, therefore, is insufficient to me.

Shump on May 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

I’ll bet that hipster douchebag is quite comfortable with calling our servicemen baby killers. Anybody want to take me up on that bet?

Didn’t think so.

jukin3 on May 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

I’d never even heard of this weasel until yesterday…

OmahaConservative on May 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

I voted “Unsure/No Opinion”.

I really, really don’t give a rat’s @ss what MSNBC does.

UltimateBob on May 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

i wish he was on NBC, CBS and ABC every night. i want this kind of crap brought into daylight. those that dont already know, need to be shown who these people are. this hayes cahracter, who i listen to every weekend morning (for laughs) is really a caricateur of a smug lefty a-hole. its alsmot like he was draw up by one of us on paper, and he would have been rejected: too much hyperbole and stereotypical bombast there dude. noone would beleive someone like that really exists.

t8stlikchkn on May 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

On Sunday, in discussing the uses of the word “hero” to describe those members of the armed forces who have given their lives, I don’t think I lived up to the standards of rigor, respect and empathy for those affected by the issues we discuss that I’ve set for myself. I am deeply sorry for that.

But in seeking to discuss the civilian-military divide and the social distance between those who fight and those who don’t, I ended up reinforcing it, conforming to a stereotype of a removed pundit whose views are not anchored in the very real and very wrenching experience of this long decade of war. And for that I am truly sorry.

a very slickly worded non-apology. those who watch msnbc wont stop because of this type of garbage, its why they watch in the first place. those of us offended by this sick SOB never watch so they dont care if we threaten not to. calling sponsors and letting them know you wont buy a product that advertises on msnbc is all there really is to do. this POS isnt worth the bandwidth we have already used on him.

chasdal on May 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

damning with faint praise.

One of the points made during Sunday’s show was just how removed most Americans are from the wars we fight, how small a percentage of our population is asked to shoulder the entire burden and how easy it becomes to never read the names of those who are wounded and fight and die, to not ask questions about the direction of our strategy in Afghanistan, and to assuage our own collective guilt about this disconnect with a pro-forma ritual that we observe briefly before returning to our barbecues.

Look Mr. Hayes. Many Americans have not, nor cannot serve in the military. For most, it is not that they weren’t asked, its that they did not volunteer. We have an “all volunteer” military (have you heard that before?) We do not have a “if we ask you, will you go? military”

Many that have not served, do read the names and do ask questions about those of us who serve, and they also make it a point to thank us; a practice which I’m sure you have not yet embraced. Regarding “collective guilt”, many of us have none but if the shoe fits….

ted c on May 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

“I’d like to apologize because I didn’t realize that fly over country and anyone else that appreciates the very people that protect our nation actually watched my show”

search4truth on May 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

The Rock on May 29, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Pride. Its all about pride. Since we elected Ma Parker we get a whole week to celebrate Pride on Parade. What are they proud of again?

DanMan on May 29, 2012 at 2:50 PM

He shouldn’t be fired. Stupid people should be allowed to say stupid things. When I was in the military and someone would say something like this people I’d always say that I am serving to allow people who disagree with me to say whatever they want.

somnicide on May 29, 2012 at 2:50 PM

No apology necessary. Just give him a gun, send him to some Middle Eastern hellhole, and let him do a full tour.

Archivarix on May 29, 2012 at 2:47 PM

agree. i wouldn’t trust him on guard though. he should work in the mail room or stir the burn barrel.

Steven McGregor on May 29, 2012 at 2:50 PM

He apologized for the way he really feels only because of the damage he caused to liberals currently in election mode, most specifically his fibber in chief.

Liberal-ism is lies, no one wants what they’re actually selling by deceit.

Speakup on May 29, 2012 at 2:51 PM

He apologized because while saying something like this might be more of an asset than a liability to your average MSNBC viewer, the main network and its new parent company, Comcast, can’t afford to have viewers and subscribers thinking that what Hayes said is something they agree with.

Even if they do agree with it. If nothing else, the kerfuffle finally shows the line where MSNBC show hosts can’t cross in the eyes of their bosses and keep their jobs, because there’s enough blowback from veterans and other Americans so that the NBC and Comcast higher-ups could end up losing their jobs.

jon1979 on May 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Typical liberal BS. So far removed out of the normal American thought process, they have no clue. Gets caught and called out ,then realizes if he wants to keep his job,,apologize. Insincere as hell, and I really do not care if he does or does not apologize. Typical liberal crap.[Did I already say that?]

retiredeagle on May 29, 2012 at 2:53 PM

this is what leftists think, why should MSNBC cover that up?

rob verdi on May 29, 2012 at 2:53 PM

How ’bout: Who the Eff cares, it’s MSNBC?

notropis on May 29, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Rachel Maddow wears glasses? Who knew.

2lbsTest on May 29, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Good to see by the poll results that Free Speech is still championed.

John the Libertarian on May 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Both MSNBC viewers were not offended…

d1carter on May 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Nope, no firing with or without apology.

Let him stay on MSNBC and drop comments like this and be a flag bearer for the hard left and those who somehow blindly still think it is still the party of JFK may finally wake up. He is exactly the kind of caricature of modern liberalism that someone would make up if they wanted to mock it- and he already exists. Let him shoot his sides ideals into the ground.

Betenoire on May 29, 2012 at 2:55 PM

The problem was not what he said but what he thought or felt.

Thought and Emotion Crimes. Can’t have that, can we?

lostmotherland on May 29, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Good to see by the poll results that Free Speech is still championed.

John the Libertarian

+1000

lostmotherland on May 29, 2012 at 2:55 PM

A small room. Five minutes. Four soldiers. One no-nut sniveling waste of skin, Chris Hayes.
Now THAT would invoke a meaningful apology.

AllahsNippleHair on May 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM

While I understand how Chris Hayes made Newton and the families of those killed in service to our nation feel, for what reason would Hayes be fired? He’s paid to have an opinion. Granted, this opinion is out there on the fringe, but take another look at the video from Sunday. Hayes didn’t foam at the mouth, slander or libel anyone, or call for the overthrow of the United States. The opinion might offend a great number of people, but Hayes appeared to be at least sincere and somewhat thoughtful in his presentation of it. Ed Schultz can be more offensive when he clears his throat than Hayes was in this segment.

Exactly.

His apology comes across as sincere and fully accepting of responsibility for his own words …

And I don’t think he should have been fired even if he didn’t apologize (unless he hurt ratings sufficiently and it was a business decision). Mocked mercilessly? Sure. That’s different.

Mitchell Heisman on May 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM

but I don’t believe every person who has ever served in the military is a hero.

Which is exactly what Hayes was saying. So what makes his comments “reprehensible”? Talk about pretzel logic.

lostmotherland on May 29, 2012 at 2:57 PM

The left silences other opinion, not us. We already show our disapproval by not watching that crap channel. Hayes is welcome to say stupid things, and then he needs to accept the backlash as it comes. But fire him? No. We’re above that. The left tries to silence others, not us.

tyketto on May 29, 2012 at 2:57 PM

The poll asks the wrong question. “Should MSNBC fire Hayes”? Depends. If they want to be a decent new channel that stands for truth and decency, they will need to fire almost all of their reporters, Hayes included. If, instead, they want to continue as the rabid partisan network they’ve been for ages, then Hayes fits right in.

redsweater on May 29, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Went with option #3. I do think Hayes apology was sufficient and he gave himself a good self-lashing via his statement where he seems to have rethought his position and proceeds to rebuke himself shamefully. This guy allowed his intense anti-war sentiments to get the best of him. I don’t think he’s particularly anti-American or anti-military–just a hyper-emotional idiot who lacks tact–typical Lib.

He’s not getting fired anyway. Leftists don’t fire each other

RepubChica on May 29, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Chris Hayes’ so-called ‘apology’ seems forced and more like he’s continuing his diatribe and making excuses than sincerely atoning.

Excuses are like arseholes — everybody’s got one and they all stink.

M oonbats
S pouting
N othing
B ut
C rap

FlatFoot on May 29, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Yawn….this apology story is so old it now has a beard.

Way to keep up Hot Gas.

Tim_CA on May 29, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Do not fire him. Allow him to say whatever he wants. And that’s no apology. It’s nothing but a lot of blather. Not that it would matter much.

dogsoldier on May 29, 2012 at 2:58 PM

this is what leftists think, why should MSNBC cover that up?

rob verdi on May 29, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Because it hurts The One

thebrokenrattle on May 29, 2012 at 2:59 PM

PMSNBC would have to realign it’s collective DNA to fire Hayes.

AubieJon on May 29, 2012 at 2:59 PM

I could care less whether he apologizes or not, regardless of the sincerity. And they shouldn’t fire him, if for no other reason that it is important for the productive part of America to realize the foolishness of their liberal media brethren.

At issue is the attitude and worldview of a somewhat significant cable news network (probably better described as a opinion network) which in its quest to be hip and with it and adored by the alleged elite of the world, continually fails to be able to understand certain base realities every chance we can.

May the world remind itself that the Hayeses of the world are not as cutting edge and smart as they like to think they are. They are just people who want to get off easy without realizing that life is a nasty business sometimes – and that disregarding that little fact of life about humanity is responsible for more deaths than just about any other ideology ever created by man.

The most dangerous human being is not a US soldier fully armed, but a prog lib thinking they know the way to “collectively” improve the human condition, disagreement be damned. The blood on their hands dwarfs that of any other ideology ever developed.

Zomcon JEM on May 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM

I think we should all boycott Chris Hayes’ favorite barista!

OxyCon on May 29, 2012 at 3:02 PM

PMSNBC would have to realign it’s ITS collective DNA to fire Hayes.

I live with a grammar nazi.

AubieJon on May 29, 2012 at 3:02 PM

There’s not really an option in the poll that fits my sentiment. MSNBC should do what they want with their money. The appeal of someone like Hayes is limited after a performance like Sunday’s. It’s MSNBC management’s job to decide what that means to their bottom line.

What is sad about all this is that Hayes doesn’t know what a hero is, or what our fighting men and women have done for him. The loss is his.

J.E. Dyer on May 29, 2012 at 3:03 PM

BRANDED!

rjoco1 on May 29, 2012 at 3:03 PM

While I understand how Chris Hayes made Newton and the families of those killed in service to our nation feel, for what reason would Hayes be fired? He’s paid to have an opinion.

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That’s absolutely true and whenever he advances an asinine thought such as the one he did on Sunday, May 27, 2012 he diminishes the liberal cause and the leftist talking points about military service. His apology was extended and seemed sincere. One line in particular resonated with me:

But in seeking to discuss the civilian-military divide and the social distance between those who fight and those who don’t, I ended up reinforcing it, conforming to a stereotype of a removed pundit whose views are not anchored in the very real and very wrenching experience of this long decade of war

In other words, when it comes to matters military, ignore Chris Hayes, he does not know what he is talking about even though he benefits from military participation by selfless, dedicated heroes.

ExpressoBold on May 29, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Who are his advertisers, anyone know?

OmahaConservative on May 29, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Shump on May 29, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Memorial Day isn’t about remembering everyone who ever served. It’s about remembering those who have died in service.

Put more simply, heroes.

Typhoon on May 29, 2012 at 3:04 PM

I have a problem calling Hayes’s apology “apologetic.”

Christien on May 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM

I think we should all boycott Chris Hayes’ favorite barista!

OxyCon on May 29, 2012 at 3:02 PM

lol….and the store where he buys his “eye cream” and “bath beads”.

Tim_CA on May 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM

for what reason would Hayes be fired?

Firing him would mean MSNBC is trying to be arbitrators of journalism, which they’re not.

The problem is the format, which is Hannity; “experts” who don’t challenge the host.

He should be forced to change his guest roster to include a legit Conservative/Libertarian rep. That will drive his audience freakin nuts and make Hayes not want to eventually bag the show.

budfox on May 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Do not fire him. Allow him to say whatever he wants. And that’s no apology. It’s nothing but a lot of blather. Not that it would matter much.

dogsoldier on May 29, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Glad to see that most here, according to the poll results, agree with you.

He’s entitled to his opinion no mater how wrong and hurtful it is.

Rod on May 29, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Next stop current tv.

50sGuy on May 29, 2012 at 3:07 PM

No. Hayes has a right to think whatever he wants, and should be entitled to say what he feels.

milcus on May 29, 2012 at 3:07 PM

The guy’s clearly an a-hole, but if people got fired just for being an a-hole while doing their job just once, no one would have work.

If he continues being an a-hole, then we’ll see.

Red Cloud on May 29, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Calling COMCAST!

Please take remedial action to control the blathering idiots at MSNBC, now that you own the problem.

CiLH1 on May 29, 2012 at 3:08 PM

It was in his heart and in his mind. It wasn`t some flip comment he wasn`t thinking through. He revealed himself, he`s an a**hole.

ThePrez on May 29, 2012 at 3:08 PM

And no, he shouldn`t be fired. Our brave men and women fought for the right for him to be a pr*ck.

ThePrez on May 29, 2012 at 3:09 PM

I was going to suggest that everyone just quit watching MSNBC (add extra pejorative letters here), but they pretty much already have.

osborn4 on May 29, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Ed Morrisseey is a great writer. And a great American too.

SparkPlug on May 29, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Whatever that was, it wasn’t an apology. It was a “sorry you misunderstood my words” moment to, you know, the “unwashed masses”. It’s just clever wordsmithing by a cowardly little Ivy League educated pu$$y.

Frankly, I don’t care whether this guy is fired or not. It simply highlights what the left is – he clearly meant what he said or he wouldn’t have said it in the first place. I’m fine with that – might as well not hide the fact of what a POS you are.

As MSNBC’s ratings sink towards the levels of Current TV, I wonder what Comcast thinks of their little “investment”. They must be so proud.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on May 29, 2012 at 3:12 PM

“One of the points made during Sunday’s show was just how removed most Americans are from the wars we fight, how small a percentage of our population is asked to shoulder the entire burden and how easy it becomes to never read the names of those who are wounded and fight and die, to not ask questions about the direction of our strategy in Afghanistan, and to assuage our own collective guilt about this disconnect with a pro-forma ritual that we observe briefly before returning to our barbecues.”

An act of contrition should be a part of any statement of contrition.

“Sorry I beat you up again, honey,” doesn’t have quite the same force as, “I swear I’ll never touch another drop, honey.” But then of course, she wants to see the contrition by his pouring the booze down the sink.

This dope hasn’t poured one dram down the drain. To say asinine things about servicemen KIA is not washed out by an apology that basically goes like this:

“I actually care more about our servicemen than you do. We need a draft, which is a safe thing to say since the volunteer forces are working great, and we need to question ongoing operations even when troops are deployed in them. And any guilt we have about deploying them is shared as much by me as the right wing however they might deny it, and no one really cares about memorializing fallen troops because I don’t, because no one has any legitimate concerns I don’t share. And barbecues trivialize the holiday or something.”

Akzed on May 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM

He’s a putz!

The US military takes an oath to defend the Constituion of the United States of America. This jackass enjoys the benefit of that constitution.

Apologize or don’t apologize, it doesn’t mean anything to me.

Unlike Mr. Hayes, i served honorably, and when I die, my family is entitled to a flag that reflects that service.

They went with songs to the battle, they were young.
Straight of limb, true of eyes, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
They fell with their faces to the foe.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.

patch on May 29, 2012 at 3:14 PM

There’s a huge difference between a sincere, contrite apology and a smug, psuedo-intellectual, leftist rationalization for their hatred of all things American. Hayes has provided the latter.

While I thoroughly enjoyed wearing a uniform, and understood MOST of the risks associated with it…I missed one of the risks that is very real and pervasive today. While fighting for the rights of free speech for ALL Americans, sadly, sometimes you are defending the rights of an arrogant, sniveling little khunt who would spit on you at some high-dollar cocktail party, just because he thought it would make him look ‘cool’ to his leftist buddies.

meh..ya live, ya learn.

a5minmajor on May 29, 2012 at 3:14 PM

I don’t care what anyone on MSNBC says. They are nothing to me.

NoDonkey on May 29, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Let him stay, he just solidifies MSNBC as a fringe group on par with his own nutty paper and the Koskids.

BKeyser on May 29, 2012 at 3:15 PM

And no, he shouldn`t be fired. Our brave men and women fought for the right for him to be a pr*ck. ThePrez on May 29, 2012 at 3:09 PM

No, he should be fired. He doesn’t have a right to that job, but MSNBC has a right to protect what’s left of its reputation.

Akzed on May 29, 2012 at 3:15 PM

This jackass knew exactly what he was saying and he meant to say it . . . he can take his phony apology and put it where the sun doesn’t shine.

rplat on May 29, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Hayes apology isn’t an apology for questioning whether the fallen soldiers are best called “heroes.” He does not apologize for suggesting that using the term encourages more war, apparently because honoring the fallen makes us want still more unjustifiable war. No, he doesn’t apologize for this vapid non-sequitur.

Instead he apologizes for confirming a stereotype — apparently a stereotype of media personae. His worry isn’t that he has failed to understand the sacrifice made by those wearing the uniform or the consequent honor their countrymen wish to bestow. His worry is that he was inarticulate, that the rhetoric of “social distance” failed him, that the deep idea he wished to consider was lost because of his insensitivity — not toward the fallen, not toward their families, or a proud nation — but toward a stereotype.

His is initial borderline incoherence and subsequent “apology” is celebrated as profound and clear-thinking, judging from a handful of comments at the Huffington Post. But it isn’t profound or clear thinking…it’s just a very affected narcissism

EastofEden on May 29, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Don’t fire him, merely take note of his opinion and his credibility.

kringeesmom on May 29, 2012 at 3:16 PM

MSNBC. The Bellevue of cable news.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on May 29, 2012 at 3:18 PM

I agree with Ed there should not be a blanket policy for these ridiculous comments. We believe in a free market of ideas, so loathsome statements like his are permissible in this society. If we don’t allow for that, then we forget what the men and women for whom this holiday is dedicated died for. With that being said, individuals are fully entitled to demand this individual be fired, and the company that employs him has the right to either keep him or fire him. No one is trying to silence him or Schultz or any other raving Left lunatic…but let them preach their insanity to a smaller audience, say, on a street corner…

DrRich on May 29, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Someone should find out what both his viewers think.

The Rogue Tomato on May 29, 2012 at 3:21 PM

What is sad about all this is that Hayes doesn’t know what a hero is, or what our fighting men and women have done for him. The loss is his.

J.E. Dyer on May 29, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Agreed. Hayes is stuck on stupid. He has this extremely narrow-minded view of our military. We can thank our far Left media for underexposing the great humanitarian efforts all our armed services have done for decades while systematically hyping the isolated cases of infamy during war to bring shame to our nation.

RepubChica on May 29, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Ed Morrisseey is a great writer. And a great American too.

SparkPlug on May 29, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Awwww…that’s sweet.

RepubChica on May 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM

No, regardless of whether he apologized or not

The last thing I want is for leftist garbage be forced to shut up. A, it would be hypocritical of me, being a first amendment sort. B, nothing is better for my side then to let leftists just babble on about their own thoughts and world view.

There are reasons leftist garbage always attempt to censor the right, and the right (by 2-1 in this poll) don’t want to return the favor.

MNHawk on May 29, 2012 at 3:25 PM

I have no use for this tool, and his faux equivocation over the use of the term “hero” while attempting to demonstrate his supposedly superior morality, demonstrates only his supreme ignorance. That said, in the end, his comments are completely irrelevant, and should be seen as such. As a much better man than Hayes said sometime ago on a similar subject,

The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract.

Our servicemembers, living and fallen, are heroes. They have registered their heroism in Heaven itself though their service and sacrifice. The ramblings of yet another media moonbat can do nothing to detract from this.

HobbesDFW on May 29, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Hayes was hired for his skill of relating his opinion to help others form their opinions about the subject-he wasnt hired to hurt military families. He failed and should be fired.

canditaylor68 on May 29, 2012 at 3:27 PM

No.

The apology was meaningless; we all know how he really feels.

He has the right to say stupid things. He’s a jerk and an ungrateful wretch for the way he feels toward the people who defend his right to say those stupid things, but he still has that right.

My father died as a result of his participation in WW2. He was in Nagasaki after the bomb was dropped and many years later died of cancer contracted by a large number of GIs who were similarly exposed, just as he was. But it was a risk he chose to take.

I have a daughter in the Marines and a son in the Navy. They, too, chose to take the risks they take for their country.

But most of all, I want this miserable coward to stay in the public eye and remind people every day what the Left and the MSM (but I repeat myself) really is.

hachiban on May 29, 2012 at 3:27 PM

His pre-apology justification had nothing to do with his original rant: nonsense about people returning to their barbecues entirely unrelated to his earlier babbling about “proximate justifications”.

For the last five years my father has invited my family to walk with his rotary in the local Memorial Day parade. It’s a tiny town that just a few years ago was classified only as a “village”, known for little more than its quaint row of antique shops. So the “parade” walk is maybe a mile if it’s an inch, and our entry seldom consists of much more than some rotarians tossing candy to children in front of some classic Packards and Mustangs gunning their reconstituted engines.

But here’s the thing: in this year’s float we had a Vietnam vet and a World War II vet. Every inch of that parade we walked people were applauding and shouting “Thank you!” to the people seated in the sparkly contraption in front of our stroller. And the only thing I could think was how few men like that there are left in the world. The Second World War was fought some 70 years ago, and any veterans still living must be anywhere from 85-100+ years of age. We have sent men on unspeakable missions in the years since then, and I am thankful for so many of them, but none fill me with the kind of pride as that Greatest Generation, who volunteered to stare down a greater danger, more bent on domination, than anything our world has seen since. We’ve had a lot of Saddams but no more Hitlers or Stalins to speak of, and America has been a dominating military presence – if not THE dominating presence – in the world since then.

It is something of a privilege any more to meet someone from that time who is still living, so imagine my surprise after the parade when I came upon ANOTHER fellow sporting a “WWII Veteran” ball cap. He commented on what a beautiful family I had with me, with my wife and three boys in tow. Without hesitation, the obvious response sprang to my lips: “You made it possible for me to have this family, so thank you.” and made it a point to shake his hand.

If you in your intellectual high-mindedness think that we unwashed masses have forgotten what it means that these people offered to step in front of a bullet for us, I don’t care if you keep your job or not, cause I only have to words for you. The first word begins with “F” and the second word ends with “you”.

The Schaef on May 29, 2012 at 3:28 PM

And no, he shouldn`t be fired. Our brave men and women fought for the right for him to be a pr*ck on Memorial Day.

ThePrez on May 29, 2012 at 3:09 PM

“Fixed,” just to emphasize exactly how awesome our military heroes are and how weak Hayes is.

Christien on May 29, 2012 at 3:30 PM

I never watch MSNBC.Never heard of him until now but if some Fox person said these things the left would be bonkers.

docflash on May 29, 2012 at 3:32 PM

The guy’s clearly an a-hole, but if people got fired just for being an a-hole while doing their job just once, no one would have work.

If he continues being an a-hole, then we’ll see.

Red Cloud on May 29, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Hope we never lose him.

He’s the perfect unfiltered liberal mouthpiece.

I truly wish more of them were this transparent.

Tim_CA on May 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Chris Hayes is a stain who fails to realize that it is only through the sacrifices of better men than himself that he is able to stand there and spout his drivel in peace and freedom.

Don’t fire him– I’d like him to be the poster boy for the left, so nobody in America could possibly be confused about what they really stand for.

morganfrost on May 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM

I personally prefer having quisling quasi-intellectual liberals out in the open where everyone can hear and see them for who and what they are. Why give them the chance to claim they are blackballed? Just put them out in public and let the folks decide for themselves. I know who will win and who will lose.

UnrepentantCurmudgeon on May 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM

On behalf of two very close personal friends and former teammates of mine whose names are now engraved in granite on a memorial for all eternity – Apology Not Accepted.

I also believe that he should keep his job and continue doing what he does, whatever that may be. I never even heard of this guy prior to this story and something tells me I’ll never hear about him again. That is unless he is dumb enough to make the same mistake twice.

Enjoy the freedoms that you have been given Chris Hayes by the very same men and women whose memories you dishonored.

D-fusit on May 29, 2012 at 3:41 PM

I’m comfortable believing he’s emasculated.

rightside on May 29, 2012 at 2:45 PM

But he appeared to be that way before someone complained.

Seriously, I’ll take a side on fired/not fired based on how we can answer the following:

(1) A sincere apology should come with restitution, contrition, and/or an explaination of how this will be avoided in the future. Which of these three was he offereing here? Any of the above?

(2) Did he apologize because he realized on his own he’d used bad judgement or because someone called him on it? If the latter, then fire him ’cause he’s not professional enough for his job. If the latter, then he’ll recognize how to avoid this in the future and hopefully act upon it.

Yeah. I know: Relax, Jake, it’s Chinatown MSNBC.

apostic on May 29, 2012 at 3:42 PM

I pretty much knew his feelings on the military before he made it crystal clear for everyone to see so I really don’t care that he appologized. Does anyone think he had a change of heart? Of course not. Just a run of the mill liberal.

Big Orange on May 29, 2012 at 3:47 PM

The Schaef on May 29, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Great post. Obviously can’t speak for Hayes, but I kinda get goosebumps of respect and humility when around our war vets at VFW events & gatherings in my neck of the woods. Our town Memorial Day parade yesterday was a welcome sight to hundreds who lined up on the sidewalk and their front porches to salute and wave flags.

Guess you can say I get a thrill up my leg when thanking them. No shame here.

RepubChica on May 29, 2012 at 3:48 PM

As a veteran, with a long line of family members in the military going back to World War I, and my Grand Father KIA in World War II, I do not find what Mr. Hayes said as being offensive, but exceedingly stupid.

I say this because the terms “offensive”, “racist”, “sexist”, “insensitive”, “intolerant”, etc., are thrown around so much and so often, that personally, they mean virtually nothing to me anymore. I mean, look how often the left uses the above terms to denigrate those of us on the right, so much so that I think we can all agree they are about as effective and meaningful as a non-apology apology.

Should Mr. Hayes be fired? In my honest opinion, no. Let him continue to spew his Washington, DC/New York City elitism, which does nothing more than to demonstrate his intellectual retardation.

Let us not be like the leftist libtards that call for the silencing of those that they disagree with, for if we do, we are no better than they are.

Mock them for their idiocy? Absolutely yes! Silence them? No.

Gothguy on May 29, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Isn’t be an un-American Lefist an employment requirement for working at MSLSD? And yes, I am questioning his (their)patriotism

skanter on May 29, 2012 at 3:56 PM

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