Matalin: Religious liberty is the issue at stake in the HHS mandate

posted at 3:31 pm on May 27, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

The Obama White House and its allies in the media continue to pretend that the controversy over the HHS mandate is all about keeping women from accessing birth control, a claim that’s absurd on its face.  For instance, Obama appeared in Iowa on Thursday and tossed out this bit of demagoguery:

We don’t need another political fight about ending a woman’s right to choose, or getting rid of Planned Parenthood — (applause) — or taking away affordable birth control.

No one is trying to take away “affordable birth control.”  For that matter, no one is attempting to “get rid” of Planned Parenthood either, although many of us would be happy to see it disappear on its own.  The only action taken against Planned Parenthood is to keep taxpayer dollars from flowing into a business that makes almost all of its profit on abortions, and which in at least a number of cases has been exposed as arguably acting outside the law, and certainly outside the bounds of normal ethics when it comes to protecting minors.  Taxpayers shouldn’t be subsidizing abortion mills.

In fact, no one is trying to take away anything — except for Barack Obama, Kathleen Sebelius, and the Department of Health and Human Services, which are attempting to strip Americans of one of our most cherished liberties: the freedom of religious expression.  For the first time in US history, an administration has arrogated to itself the option of defining religious expression in order to curtail it.  Mary Matalin writes about the true stakes in this fight for CNN this weekend:

For the first time in our nation’s history, the government has launched a full-fledged assault on our religious institutions to force them to pay for services that go against their religious convictions. The compromise offered by the administration allowing religious institutions a year to transition to the new system is no compromise. They are still forced to pay for services in direct conflict with their faith or incur severe penalties that could effectively drive them out of business.

This is the most despicable violation of religious liberty that this nation has ever seen. Cardinal Timothy Dolan, archbishop of New York and president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, outlined it best when he said, “In effect, the president is saying we have a year to figure out how to violate our consciences.” A year is a pitiful concession to make when they are essentially telling people that if they do not violate their conscience, the government will put them out of business.

Catholic institutions, however, are not taking this assault lying down. This week, 43 of them have filed lawsuits across the nation challenging the mandate’s intrusion on religious liberty.

This sentiment is felt not only among Catholics but also among Jewish, Protestant and other religious groups. Though these groups do not necessarily have a uniform religious teaching against some of the mandate’s provisions, they do have a uniform agreement that a coercive government does not have the right to say that these religious institutions must violate their consciences.

These religious leaders realize that if government can impose these mandates against conscience rights on Catholics, what other mandates will they impose them on next?

Whatever they can, especially by stoking hysteria over crises that don’t actually exist.  In February, I wrote about a study published in 2009 by the CDC which took a 20-year look at the issue.  The CDC found that there is no crisis in access to contraception, and in fact the CDC study never mentions access issues at all when finding that 99% of all sexually active women of reproductive age who wanted to use birth control had accessed it:

Employers still have to provide coverage — at no cost, not even copays — for contraception and abortifacients such as “ella” and Plan B, as well as IUDs. Here’s a question few are asking: Why? Obama and his administration insist that women need better access to contraception and abortifacients, but few women have problems accessing them. The CDC reported in 2009 that contraception use wasn’t exactly lacking: “Contraceptive use in the United States is virtually universal among women of reproductive age: 99 percent of all women who had ever had intercourse had used at least one contraceptive method in their lifetime.” Of all the reasons for non-use of contraception in cases of unwanted pregnancy, lack of access doesn’t even make the CDC’s list; almost half of women assumed they couldn’t get pregnant (44 percent), didn’t mind getting pregnant (23 percent), didn’t plan to have sex (14 percent), or worried about the side effects of birth control (16 percent). In fact, the word access appears only once in this study of contraceptive use, and only in the context of health insurance, not contraception.

It’s good to see other religious leaders uniting in this fight.  However, are Catholic bishops themselves united?  Donald Cardinal Wuerl of Washington DC and Archbishop William Lori of Baltimore discussed on EWTN reports of division among Catholic bishops, calling them an artifact of wishful thinking in the media.  The only debate at the USCCB was on timing and strategy, not on opposition to the mandate and its overreach.  The bishop that supposedly dissented, according to media reports, was the same one who wrote the USCCB statement against the HHS mandate:

So no, there is no division among the Catholic bishops, either.  Unless the White House backs down from the mandate or the Supreme Court throws out the entire ObamaCare law next month, they don’t appear willing to soft-pedal their opposition to it, either, as the coordinated lawsuits that Catholic institutions filed this week demonstrated.


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We’re all Catholics now.

22044 on May 27, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Her continued marriage to James Carville continues to amaze me…there has to be some serious earplugs in that household…

hillsoftx on May 27, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Phew! The main topic at the Bishop’s Conference has moved past little boys.

bettycooper on May 27, 2012 at 3:39 PM

this is exactly how to hammer Obama.

rob verdi on May 27, 2012 at 3:42 PM

The proof that the HHS contraception mandate is some kind of scheme (to get the camel’s nose under the constitutional tent) is, it’s completely unnecessary. Who can’t find birth-control pills now, or pay for them? They usually cost less than $15 per month. It has to have been designed for the Obama Administration to test the limits of the First Amendment, or make a point. It was a thuggish solution looking for a problem.

RBMN on May 27, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Oh, come on, the state should make all decisions of conscience for us!/s

tim c on May 27, 2012 at 3:43 PM

The loss of religious liberty is just one minor consequence of the un-Constitutional nature of the health scare mandate. It is not the main problem with the feral government trouncing all over the limits set in our Constitution. Even if this issue with Catholics had never arisen, ObamaCare would still be un-Constitutional, un-American, dangerous and stupid.

Wait until the feral government starts telling everyone what to eat and how to act and exercise. The concept of individual liberty of any sort will seem a distant, faded memory – as it has already started being rendered such by the anti-smoking tyrants who have trampled all over property rights to control people’s choices. We have people who work in coal mines yet leftists would have you believe that they have legitimate arguments that no one could work in a smoky restaurant or bar (as if someone has the right to work wherever they want)

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 27, 2012 at 3:44 PM

In a perfect world, churches wouldn’t be tax exempt. That can’t happen soon enough.

SnarkVader on May 27, 2012 at 3:44 PM

I know the enemy of my enemy is my friend but the catholics were all eager to sell out the rest of us for “universal healthcare,” so I can only muster this much sympathy for them it starts with an f and ends with u.

traye on May 27, 2012 at 3:45 PM

And Willy McDole is the answer to the state violating religious conscience?

Don’t think so …

“The initial injury to Catholic religious freedom came not from the Obama administration but from the Romney administration,’’ said C.J. Doyle, executive director of the Catholic Action League of Massachusetts. “President Obama’s plan certainly constitutes an assault on the constitutional rights of Catholics, but I’m not sure Governor Romney is in a position to assert that, given his own very mixed record on this.’’

But ya know – true to Willard’s modus operadi – he has to sit both sides of the fence on the issue …

“The governor’s position on this law was that it never should have gone into effect in the first place, which is why he vetoed it,’’ the statement said. Asked yesterday to explain his 2005 comments in a Globe interview about believing in his “heart of hearts’’ that rape victims were entitled to emergency contraception, the campaign did not respond.

What was that Doobie Brother’s song? WHAT A FOOL BELIEVES?

LOL!

HondaV65 on May 27, 2012 at 3:45 PM

RBMN on May 27, 2012 at 3:43 PM

You act as though completely rational thought is possible with our left leaning brothers and sisters.

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I hope the churches learn from this . They want it both ways with the government. Look what they do when it comes to social spending and issues like welfare.

You dance with the devil…..

CW on May 27, 2012 at 3:46 PM

In a perfect world, churches wouldn’t be tax exempt. That can’t happen soon enough.

SnarkVader on May 27, 2012 at 3:44 PM

How the hell do you plan on taxing churches?

The same way we do NON-PROFITS? LOL – okay, that’s full of wormholes the size of Texas.

Try again.

HondaV65 on May 27, 2012 at 3:48 PM

I wonder if any of the anti-christian liberals realize that every time they attack religion all they do is make the country more openly socially conservative? The part of me that loves liberal stupidity can’t stop laughing but the part that hates (most) social conservatism wants to punch them in the face.

Cyhort on May 27, 2012 at 3:48 PM

I will tell you if the SC rules for our Republic against bhocare, WE JUST MIGHT see bho loose it on the tube when asked about the ruling? I want that on so many video’s bho/team can not get rid of all them! Can you just imagine what bho/team will do if the SC overturns bhocare? ALL he!! will break loose at bho/team? And I will LOVE every minute!
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letget on May 27, 2012 at 3:49 PM

and romneys not going to try to shaft catholics too. puhleeze.

renalin on May 27, 2012 at 3:49 PM

For the first time in US history, an administration has arrogated to itself the option of defining religious expression in order to curtail it.

Whether with Reynolds, Lemon or many other cases the courts have a long history of defining what constitutes religious expression and whether acts of the legislature or executive violate the individual protection. There are interesting arguments pertaining to whether ObamaCare violates the 1st, but the above notion that government hasn’t or ought not define which expressions are protected by their religious nature is both untrue and unworkable.

OptionsTrader on May 27, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Ann Barnhardt on 23 May had a great rant on this subject concerning those orgs that have already cancelled their coverage. That is exactly what this bunch of evil tyrants want. http://barnhardt.biz/

retiredeagle on May 27, 2012 at 3:50 PM

We don’t need another political fight about ending a woman’s right to choose, or getting rid of Planned Parenthood — (applause) — or taking away affordable birth control.

… But we’re going to keep bring these straw men (straw women?) up at every opportunity, until it magically becomes the Truth.

KS Rex on May 27, 2012 at 3:51 PM

… But we’re going to keep bring these straw men (straw women?) up at every opportunity, until it magically becomes the Truth.

If Dear Leader says it it’s already the Truth. Personally, I’m loving those extra seven states.

Cyhort on May 27, 2012 at 3:52 PM

i would like to see them unite on thowing pelosi and other fakes like her out unless they repent of their sins against the church. While they are at it, reframe the social justice gig also. In the eyes of God the only justice for us is payment for our sins. Quit making people victims and let the church be the church, not government. Where has 40 years of social programs gotten us? And look what the reliance on government got the Catholic church….a knife in the back by a democrat president…..Half of the Catholic church voted for the stiff….there needs to be a whole lot of repentance by the congregation for turning their backs on the Catholic churches doctrines and God………. A Christian should never ever vote for a pro choice candidate, especially as evil as obamas record is …….look at sebelius also……

crosshugger on May 27, 2012 at 3:53 PM

And I will LOVE every minute!
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letget on May 27, 2012 at 3:49 PM

It’s going to happen. It will be amazing to watch.

VegasRick on May 27, 2012 at 3:56 PM

i would like to see them unite on thowing pelosi and other fakes like her out unless they repent of their sins against the church. While they are at it, reframe the social justice gig also. In the eyes of God the only justice for us is payment for our sins. Quit making people victims and let the church be the church, not government. Where has 40 years of social programs gotten us? And look what the reliance on government got the Catholic church….a knife in the back by a democrat president…..Half of the Catholic church voted for the stiff….there needs to be a whole lot of repentance by the congregation for turning their backs on the Catholic churches doctrines and God………. A Christian should never ever vote for a pro choice candidate, especially as evil as obamas record is …….look at sebelius also……

crosshugger on May 27, 2012 at 3:53 PM

+1000!!!

I’m not getting excited about helping out the RCS until it starts EXCOMMUNICATING SOME OF THESE MOFO’S IN THE DIM PARTY.

HondaV65 on May 27, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Religious liberty is the issue at stake in the HHS mandate

Now if we could just get the media, including FOX, to report it this way.

“I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.” ~ James Madison

Flora Duh on May 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM

You act as though completely rational thought is possible with our left leaning brothers and sisters.

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I hope the churches learn from this . They want it both ways with the government. Look what they do when it comes to social spending and issues like welfare.

You dance with the devil…..

CW on May 27, 2012 at 3:46 PM

I agree. Since the late 1960s, too many priests and sisters have been seduced by the government redistributionists. And once they bought into that scam, a lot of other unsavory leftwing baggage gets dragged along with it. They forgot that the government is not your friend. If you’re a church, the government wants to take all your power and all your influence. You’re competing with them and they don’t like it.

RBMN on May 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM

For the first time in US history, an administration has arrogated to itself the option of defining religious expression in order to curtail it.

Well He does wear a halo, and He is The Obamassiah!

Or as the MSM is apt to say “Come, let us adore Him!”

GarandFan on May 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Latest angle by the Left is trying to make “religious liberty” a “Catholic only” concern or one that is somehow an aspect of being Catholic or not (and if not, then “not affected” by or “not concerned” about religious liberty or have a problem with OCare).

It’s an issue of religious liberty, a Constitutional issue, that is being met and contended with by Catholics, but it’s not only Catholics that are affected by or are concerned with this, contrary to what the Left is claiming.

Lourdes on May 27, 2012 at 4:03 PM

I really don’t understand how tone-deaf the Obama administration is, given that something like 30% of the voters are Catholic as well as the majority of the Supreme Court.

AcidReflux on May 27, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Latest angle by the Left is trying to make “religious liberty” a “Catholic only” concern or one that is somehow an aspect of being Catholic or not (and if not, then “not affected” by or “not concerned” about religious liberty or have a problem with OCare).

It’s an issue of religious liberty, a Constitutional issue, that is being met and contended with by Catholics, but it’s not only Catholics that are affected by or are concerned with this, contrary to what the Left is claiming.

Lourdes on May 27, 2012 at 4:03 PM

HOWEVER, I think that retort or attempt at evasive retort by the Left (just described in 4:03 comments above) reveals Obama’s actual target: the Catholic Church.

I think he has a goal of defeating or subjugating the Church, to somehow render the Christian theology neutral to his wishes.

Remind you of anyone?

Lourdes on May 27, 2012 at 4:05 PM

We watched Fox this morning and this issue came up as to how much time bhopress has given to this. The four bhopress tv networks gave a total of, I believe this is correct, 16 seconds over two days. If you don’t think the press/tv/print/lib internet isn’t in the tank for bho, think again?
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letget on May 27, 2012 at 4:07 PM

We’re all Catholics now.

22044 on May 27, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Indeed we are!

petefrt on May 27, 2012 at 4:08 PM

I hope the churches learn from this . They want it both ways with the government. Look what they do when it comes to social spending and issues like welfare.

You dance with the devil…..

CW on May 27, 2012 at 3:46 PM

I agree. Since the late 1960s, too many priests and sisters have been seduced by the government redistributionists. And once they bought into that scam, a lot of other unsavory leftwing baggage gets dragged along with it…

RBMN on May 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Ditto and DITTO.

I’m one voter who was horrified at the sell-out by many Leftwingers claiming to be Catholic last election. They ridiculed and rejected the Catholic Voter Guide in preference for “Liberal socio-political” goals and certainly ran after the idea of Obama and his Golden Freebies.

It showed me, and was disillusioning, that some people are Liberals first and that “Catholic” to them was second to being Liberal and being Democrat.

Lourdes on May 27, 2012 at 4:09 PM

I agree. Since the late 1960s, too many priests and sisters have been seduced by the government redistributionists. And once they bought into that scam, a lot of other unsavory leftwing baggage gets dragged along with it. They forgot that the government is not your friend. If you’re a church, the government wants to take all your power and all your influence. You’re competing with them and they don’t like it.

RBMN on May 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM

True enough. I remember my father standing up during a sermon during the late 60s early 70s where a priest was bitching about some left-wing cause. He stood up and led my mother and the 4 kids out of the church. Pretty audacious for good Catholics.

AcidReflux on May 27, 2012 at 4:11 PM

obozocare is not about healthcare. It’s about lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist CONTROL of one-sixth of the US economy, lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist WEALTH AND INCOME RE-DISTRIBUTION, lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist EXPANSION OF ABORTIONS WITH TAXPAYER MONEY, lunatic-left destruction of the Catholic Religion and every other Christian religion that opposed it’s dictates and unlimited lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist NANNY STATE COMMANDS and RULES for the American people.

Remember this LIE from OBOZO: “if you like your current heath plan, you can keep your current health plan” ?

In addition to being an insult to the US Constitution, obozocare is an affront to the American people. It must be removed, along with each and every lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist that supports it.

Our new president, along with the new Republican controlled House and Senate must, as their first official act, repeal obozocare, then tear it up into a million pieces, burn the pieces, bury the ashes and cover the burial site with 1000 tons of concrete.

TeaPartyNation on May 27, 2012 at 4:11 PM

and romneys not going to try to shaft catholics too. puhleeze.

renalin on May 27, 2012 at 3:49 PM

If the Left can take on the Catholics and win, the Mormons don’t have anything good to look forward to either. If you’re fighting Planned Parenthood, and gay marriage, you’re on the Left’s enemies list right along with the Catholics.

RBMN on May 27, 2012 at 4:12 PM

While I am not Catholic, as a Christian American Conservative, I applaud the stand made by these People of Faith.

For those of you who, like the president, do not understand, the phrase is “Freedom of Religion”.

Not “Freedom from Religion”.

kingsjester on May 27, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Oy, if only I knew how to draw, I could’ve had a career as a political cartoonist.

How about a cartoon showing Catholics opening up their mouths to recieve communion, only it’s Obama and Sebellius stuffing birth control and morning after pills into their mouths. One parishioner holds up their hand in refusal, and Obama says “what’s the matter, are you anti-woman’s rights”?

ardenenoch on May 27, 2012 at 4:14 PM

i would like to see them unite on thowing pelosi and other fakes like her out unless they repent of their sins against the church.

The Catholic Church isn’t a form of government, it has no “law enforcement agency” nor prison nor boundaries from whence “offenders” are booted.

Ex-communication is both a formal response by the Church and an ipso facto process: by itself it is done.

Pelosi, Sebelius, Biden, etc., they have engaged already in an ex-communicative process, by their own dedications to heretical, sinful, evil acts despite being “reminded” many times over that their dedications in those regards are what they are.

In other words, they’ve been presented with the truth as the Church maintains it is and they’ve persisted, despite knowing that, in dedication to the “untruth” or heretical, evil way instead.

That’s an ex-communication in and of itself, done by their own dedication to sin.

I don’t know at what point Bishops determine to actually withhold the sacraments from people like that — not my call, to state the obvious — but many Catholics do share concerns as to why people such as these continue to receive the sacraments.

Lourdes on May 27, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Wish my church had joined the Catholics in the lawsuit…

OmahaConservative on May 27, 2012 at 4:16 PM

That’s an ex-communication in and of itself, done by their own dedication to sin.

I don’t know at what point Bishops determine to actually withhold the sacraments from people like that — not my call, to state the obvious — but many Catholics do share concerns as to why people such as these continue to receive the sacraments.

Lourdes on May 27, 2012 at 4:16 PM

My only conclusion is that there is hope and faith that souls can be saved.

Lourdes on May 27, 2012 at 4:18 PM

ardenenoch on May 27, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Maybe Ramirez will see your post? He does have a way of telling it like it is!
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letget on May 27, 2012 at 4:18 PM

kingsjester on May 27, 2012 at 4:12 PM

+1000

Flora Duh on May 27, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Hopefully in another month this topic will be irrelevant. Maybe wishful thinking.

Fenris on May 27, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Wish my church had joined the Catholics in the lawsuit…

OmahaConservative on May 27, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Patience OC, there is still time for them to do so. :)

sicoit on May 27, 2012 at 4:22 PM

but the above notion that government hasn’t or ought not define which expressions are protected by their religious nature is both untrue and unworkable.

OptionsTrader on May 27, 2012 at 3:49 PM

That the government has done so with approval of the courts doesn’t mean either are correct. That religious organizations have bended the knee to government in these areas are their burdens to carry and deal with.

chemman on May 27, 2012 at 4:24 PM

My only conclusion is that there is hope and faith that souls can be saved.

Lourdes on May 27, 2012 at 4:18 PM

That is always true but we might want to take adopt Paul’s prescription in I & II Corinthians on dealing with in your face sin in the Church. Excommunicate, then pray for mercy until they repent and then bring them back into the fold. Keeping them in the fold while they are boldly sinning doesn’t seemed to have worked for any group since the time of the early Church.

chemman on May 27, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Question:

Will the new movie about the Cristeros influence the debate at all or draw attention for Catholics to what an anti-Catholic President we have?

I’m Catholic but damn am I sick and tired of the bs my Church has been taking.

The Catholic Church needs to really ‘man up’. If I was a priest, I’d go rogue and use my parish to preach against the great Satan in the WH.

KirknBurker on May 27, 2012 at 4:39 PM

sicoit on May 27, 2012 at 4:22 PM

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http://www.abine.com/dntdetail.php

OmahaConservative on May 27, 2012 at 4:40 PM

The Bishops or a Bishop should come out publicly when one of these heretics start spouting off about their “Catholic Religion”. They do not speak for the Church, they do not represent the Church, etc. Why the conservative mind set does not come out and call evil out for what it is,is beyond me. Evil is not going to give up the attack and we need to attack back, not sit and smile, hoping it will like it if we just ‘try to get along’. Case in point is the handout that will be in the bulletins shortly. What is wrong with reading it or giving a sermon, SAY it, SOUND off,. Now is not the time to be silent. There is open warfare on the Constitution and everything it stands for, this is not a time for silence.

retiredeagle on May 27, 2012 at 4:45 PM

The HHS mandate is a violation of conscience. There is no way to evade that.

AshleyTKing on May 27, 2012 at 4:48 PM

As a Lutheran, we don’t agree with the stand on contraception, as life begins at conception. However, we strongly stand against the forced provision of abortificients in violation of the sanctity of life. … and although we don’t agree with the Catholic church on the first point, we do stand with Catholics in opposition to the violation of their religious conscience by the state. As the President of our Synod said, this is one of those times where we must hold to principal and obey God rather than men.

AZfederalist on May 27, 2012 at 4:49 PM

i would like to see them unite on thowing pelosi and other fakes like her out unless they repent of their sins against the church…

crosshugger on May 27, 2012 at 3:53 PM

According to the bible, they’d be fully justified in doing so.

“What does the Bible say about church discipline / excommunication?”

Flora Duh on May 27, 2012 at 4:51 PM

We’re all Catholics now.

22044 on May 27, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Even agnosts and atheists s/b aligned in fighting Obama and HHS on this. The ACLU s/b fighting.

Schadenfreude on May 27, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Indeed, kingsjester.

Sadly, so few don’t understand how powerful the separation is, s/b, and how it was one of the strong reasons the U.S. was born.

Sadly also, so many don’t understand that the U.S. is not a democracry…but that’s a thread in the headlines.

Schadenfreude on May 27, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Have you added this to your Firefox? It sure has sped mine up…

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OmahaConservative on May 27, 2012 at 4:40 PM

I actually found the same Do Not Track on FF and checked it off! It’s great! Also, checked the Private Browsing and updated my Plug Ins!!! WOOOOTTTTT! Thanks again for turning me on to FF. I’ve become a FF pro now and even installed it on my room mates computer as well. Thanks again OC! :)

sicoit on May 27, 2012 at 5:01 PM

obamacare, and it ramifications, will be obama’s waterloo. And appropriately so. There’s only so much shoving down the throat one can do before your victim gags. America is about to gag. obama is trying to minimize the reality of obamacare for the campaign, but this little ragged edge will not be put to rest anytime soon. The abortifacient “war on women” rubric will prove to be the political blunder that finally did him in. And thank God for it.

paul1149 on May 27, 2012 at 5:03 PM

AZfederalist on May 27, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod.Here is what our Synodical President has said and done about this issue…

OmahaConservative on May 27, 2012 at 5:05 PM

sicoit on May 27, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Excellent. Good for you. I am loving FF today as much as I liked it years ago when I first switched over…

OmahaConservative on May 27, 2012 at 5:09 PM

OmahaConservative on May 27, 2012 at 5:09 PM

:)

sicoit on May 27, 2012 at 5:11 PM

OT but worth a GREAT laugh! :)

Meghan McCain Looks For Fight, Finds Many, Now Wants Sympathy?

MSNBC contributor Meghan McCain appeared on Rev. Al Sharpton’s program on Thursday, where she said that the Republican party treats her like a “freak” and a “mutant” simply because she holds some moderate views on divisive social issues. McCain has often made herself out to be a victim of close-minded conservatives who simply reject her for her less-than-dogmatic policy preferences. But McCain forgets that she has made a career of being a contrarian – her vehicle for getting air time consists almost entirely of starting fights with Republican pundits and lawmakers. (snip)

http://www.mediaite.com/online/meghan-mccain-looks-for-fight-finds-many-now-wants-sympathy/

sicoit on May 27, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Catholics have been through a lot lately. I hope we can rally around freedom of religion and be proud to be Catholics. I am.

GeorgieGirl9 on May 27, 2012 at 5:15 PM

OmahaConservative on May 27, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS) statement by the Synod Leadership and the impact that even the so-called compromise would have upon our health insurance

AZfederalist on May 27, 2012 at 5:22 PM

sicoit on May 27, 2012 at 5:15 PM

She calls the views she holds moderate? That alone is worth a chuckle. Yeah, I guess moderate relative to a hard core communist, but to even mainstream Republicans, she is well to the left.

AZfederalist on May 27, 2012 at 5:24 PM

AZfederalist on May 27, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Po widdle ting. I offered her a hankie and told her to be a good widdle girl now and run on home to daddy. What a ditz…..

sicoit on May 27, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Anyone who is foolish enough believe these Godless folks will tolerate anyone exercising a conscience in political matters must believe that there is a black line on the divide between the Indian and the Pacific Oceans too.Marxism will tolerate no dissent -if anything has held it to its present evil level it has been a strong free nation called the USA. That is no longer with half the conservatives hating religion and most all the liberals creating their own hedonistic gods.

It appears the cultural rot of the last five decades has taken its toll as the left openly planned -the family – the Churches -the economic institutions -the media -the news- the schools -even the military has fallen, succumbing to the Godless candy the Marxiss withgin and without have offered. We are fairly well done for, regardless of howe Obamacare and that worthless institution -the Supreme Court turn out on this issue.
The world will be far worse place from now on with no sufficiently powerful ally and lover of God and freedom for good to protect it.

Don L on May 27, 2012 at 5:28 PM

AZfederalist on May 27, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Oh, you are WELS? I was raised in the WELS & became LCMS while I lived in San Diego…

OmahaConservative on May 27, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Don L on May 27, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Don L, I, as do many of us, feel your frustration and can partly agree. I still have faith in most of my fellow Americans that we can and we WILL kick this muzzie slime ball and ALL of his marxist/muslime “friends” out on their collective azzes soon. Don’t give up the fight. Their goal, as you stated, was to start with family destruction and go from there. Yes, they have succeeded in a small amount, but thankfully, most of the People are waking up and smelling the lies/destruction. This country and all of it’s peoples are too important to give up the fight. They are not just going after the Catholics, they are going after any and everyone that does not follow THEIR “god”, satan. That means everyone not a muslime. Hold fast, tell everyone you know to hold fast, fight them and we will win….God is on OUR side after all. :)

sicoit on May 27, 2012 at 5:34 PM

retiredeagle on May 27, 2012 at 3:50 PM

I read that piece by Ann Barnhardt as well, and I agree with her that the bishops are playing right into Obama’s hands.

It should be as she suggests, that the bishops and the Catholic faithful refuse to comply with the mandate, not by shutting down, but by staying open in defiance. The optics for Obama and his thugs wouldn’t be — how shall we say — good if his SWAT teams are seen storming Catholic hospitals and clinics to arrest those who are giving care.

If some of the nuns I knew in my elementary school were still living, I’d like to see them take Obama on. There were a few we students were very careful not to annoy for any reason as they would knock a student into the middle of the next week. They took no shit from us; I doubt they’d put up with this administration’s antics either.

(And yes, these were real nuns; not the angry dissident loudmouth “nuns” who just got rebuked by the Pope)

PatriotGal2257 on May 27, 2012 at 5:38 PM

as the coordinated lawsuits that Catholic institutions filed this week demonstrated.

“Catholic lawsuits? What lawsuits? Never heard of them.”
— Charlie Gibson (and the rest of the MSM).

AZCoyote on May 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM

It should be as she suggests, that the bishops and the Catholic faithful refuse to comply with the mandate, not by shutting down, but by staying open in defiance. The optics for Obama and his thugs wouldn’t be — how shall we say — good if his SWAT teams are seen storming Catholic hospitals and clinics to arrest those who are giving care.

PatriotGal2257 on May 27, 2012 at 5:38 PM

I read today that they may well be planning this. Still we need a public rebuke to Obama on this issue from the courts. Several.

dogsoldier on May 27, 2012 at 5:54 PM

sicoit on May 27, 2012 at 5:15 PM

She’s a bully & she got punched back. She dished it & couldn’t take it.

22044 on May 27, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Have you added this to your Firefox? It sure has sped mine up…

http://www.abine.com/dntdetail.php

OmahaConservative on May 27, 2012 at 4:40 PM

I saw this and did the download too.. Thank you.. it seems to be helping.

Always appreciate a free education.. I’m not all that tech savy.. I can navigate on a laptop well enough, but they are a lot of things I don’t know much about.

I thank you for the link.. though it wasn’t directed at me.. it helps when I see things like this posted. I never turn away free advice.

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM

How long have our taxes been paying for things that no sane person could possibly condone?

Now that the Socialists have made a sudden lurch from state mandates to personal mandates, to outlawing freedom of conscience even among religious institutions, the Catholic Church has finally decided to draw a line in the sand. It had to happen sometime. And I for one am perfectly happy that the the fight to regain liberty and and reason is being waged here and now.

logis on May 27, 2012 at 6:26 PM

I read today that they may well be planning this. Still we need a public rebuke to Obama on this issue from the courts. Several.

dogsoldier on May 27, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Well, I hope so. I know there is the Fortnight for Religious Liberty which begins on June 21 and goes to July 4th. Here’s the USCCB link: Fortnight for Religious Liberty.

PatriotGal2257 on May 27, 2012 at 6:28 PM

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM

No problem. Bmore actually turned me on to it a week or so ago…

OmahaConservative on May 27, 2012 at 6:29 PM

I cannot agree that the Catholic Church’s silly superstition about birth control should be paid any mind by government. I decided yesterday that my religion objects to red lights. It would as silly for me to able to require the government make all new traffic light orange, yellow, and green.

thuja on May 27, 2012 at 6:42 PM

The ACLU s/b fighting.

Schadenfreude on May 27, 2012 at 4:53 PM

You would think so, ideally, but all this piece indicates is that I, as a Catholic, wouldn’t want them anywhere near my side: The American Civil Liberties Union.

PatriotGal2257 on May 27, 2012 at 6:43 PM

It should be as she suggests, that the bishops and the Catholic faithful refuse to comply with the mandate, not by shutting down, but by staying open in defiance. The optics for Obama and his thugs wouldn’t be — how shall we say — good if his SWAT teams are seen storming Catholic hospitals and clinics to arrest those who are giving care.

PatriotGal2257 on May 27, 2012 at 5:38 PM

I read today that they may well be planning this. Still we need a public rebuke to Obama on this issue from the courts. Several.

dogsoldier on May 27, 2012 at 5:54 PM

To the point of actually raiding Catholic hospitals and taking Priests out in cuffs?

I know this administration is astoundingly tone deaf. But those kinds of optics…..

Would Obama and his crew be that stupid?

Even on their fastest spin cycle the MSM couldn’t make Obama smell good after that. If he’s prepared to go that far.. He’s either convinced of his own invincibility or he’s the dumbest president we’ve ever had.

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 6:54 PM

This assault on the First Amendment from King Obama is the first concrete step in the long road toward totalitarianism. There should be mandatory saliva tests for those who vote Democrat. Wake up America! There’s not much time left.

MDLibertyLover on May 27, 2012 at 6:57 PM

…Would Obama and his crew be that stupid?…
mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 6:54 PM

In a word, yup! He thinks he is the emperor/untouchable/king/smarter than all of us, etc.

sicoit on May 27, 2012 at 6:57 PM

The CDC found that there is no crisis in access to contraception, and in fact the CDC study never mentions access issues at all when finding that 99% of all sexually active women of reproductive age who wanted to use birth control had accessed it:

I still think people are really missing the point of this HHS mandate and of Obama’s continuing demagoguery about access to birth contriol. Once all contraception costs are covered by insurance, Planned Parenthood will start getting reimbursed by insurance companies for contraceptives that it now gives out free at its clinics. This is a much bigger business for PP than abortion is. One reason why 99% of women who want birth control can get it easily is that a lot of them get the pills and IUDs free from Planned Parenthood. This has been true since at least the 1970s, when I got my first IUD for free at a local Planned Parenthood clinic.

Planned Parenthood will reap millions of dollars from this mandate. Some of which will be directly recycled into Democratic campaigns for Congress and president in the future.

rockmom on May 27, 2012 at 6:58 PM

I forgot to add that it was no coincidence that the “expert panel” that advised HHS on what should be covered as “preventive medicine” under Obamacare was stacked with current and former Planned Parenthood workers and board members. This was the reason why PP advocated so strongly for the Obamacare bill in the first place. It meant big, big dollars for them.

rockmom on May 27, 2012 at 7:01 PM

I cannot agree that the Catholic Church’s silly superstition about birth control should be paid any mind by government. I decided yesterday that my religion objects to red lights. It would as silly for me to able to require the government make all new traffic light orange, yellow, and green.

thuja on May 27, 2012 at 6:42 PM

So you don’t believe that the 1st Amendment acknowledges everyone has a right of conscience?

That’s the point of this debate.

What your religion tells you isn’t relevant it’s that the government cannot compel you to violate your faith. You can make up all kinds of clown jokes about religion.. it changes nothing about this argument.

Your acceptance of the bullsh*t line that it’s about access to contraceptives ignores all the evidence no one is denied access.. it’s about compelling a church to buy your morning after pill or pay for your abortion that is largely driving this.

I’d shut down a business I owned (if I had one) before paying for one murdered infant. The government cannot put a gun to my head and force me to pay for a murder.

That is what this is about.

you want to get one or get a woman one.. you can pay for it yourself. My wife and I lost our third child at birth.. I held my dead son in my arms till they took him from me.. Hell will freeze over before I’d fund someone killing an infant..

That.. is what this fight is about.

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 7:08 PM

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 6:54 PM

If I’m reading it correctly, that was Ann Barnhardt’s point, to be openly defiant to force Obama’s hand.

Here’s her exact words:

Listen, you fools. YOU DON’T SHUT ANYTHING DOWN. You keep going exactly as you have been, and you force those dirty rotten SOBs to literally storm your hospitals and shut YOU down at gunpoint. And I’m not kidding. Make them physically shut down your hospital by dragging you out at gunpoint. Make them physically shut down your schools. Make them shut down your university by force because you won’t cover abortions in your student health plan. Make them physically shut down your soup kitchens. Make them shut down your adoption agencies because you won’t hand a baby boy over to two men who like to jam various and sundry body parts up each others’ rectums.

In other words, STAND AND FIGHT.

The only proper course of action is total non-compliance with these totalitarian edicts of the regime, and FORCING THEIR HAND.

Anything less than that, and you LOSE. MEN fight wars. If you refuse to do your duty and act like MEN, then the war is already lost. And make no mistake, cowardice is a grave sin, and you will answer for it.

Every bishop is given a crosier upon his ordination to the episcopacy. A crosier is a shepherd’s staff. It is a six to seven foot long staff that a shepherd uses to beat the crap out of wolves. That’s your job. Beating the crap out of the wolves – not killing all of the sheep yourself so that there is nothing left for the wolves to eat.

MAN UP!!!! FIGHT, YOU FOOLS!!!

More at this link: The Bishops are Being Played. Like Cheap Fiddles

PatriotGal2257 on May 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM

No one will ever convince me.. that there are people in the Obama administration who derive a twisted glee at the thought of forcing the Catholic church to fund morning after pills and abortions on demand (contraceptive services are so decidedly vague.. they damn well will sneak that in).

A malignant evil pleasure in making a Priest do what his faith forbids.. as if it’s a monstrous way of getting back at all the authority figures they hated growing up.

Perhaps the dedicated athiest simply getting a jolt of giggle out of forcing the Church to obey or shut down..

There is something evil lurking within this administration.

More than just dedicated socialists.. they enjoy inflicting torment.

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 7:20 PM

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Just curios, but what does your username mean?

OmahaConservative on May 27, 2012 at 7:24 PM

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 7:08 PM

My sincere sympathies to you and your wife.

PatriotGal2257 on May 27, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Hell will freeze over before I’d fund someone killing an infant..

That.. is what this fight is about.

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Good for you and God Bless…

OmahaConservative on May 27, 2012 at 7:30 PM

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 6:54 PM

If I’m reading it correctly, that was Ann Barnhardt’s point, to be openly defiant to force Obama’s hand.

PatriotGal2257 on May 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM

I agree with her..

I’m not a Catholic.. but have been without a Church for a long time. Truthfully.. I have been seriously thinking of approaching the local Church and asking the Priest how to go about converting to the Catholic faith.

The one Gospel song that always stuck in my head from my earliest church memories.. was Onward Christian Soldier.. A metaphor but in this case.. if we won’t fight to defend our right to worship God in our own way free of government interference..

What would we fight for?

I just never thought in America we would ever have to defend our rights to our faiths. It’s like it’s not our country anymore as we knew it.. when a president can sneer at us and demand we cast away our beliefs because he simply says so.

I may be to broken to pack a ruck any more.. but I can join a protest and cuff myself to a Church hospital front doors with the best of them. I had my spine rebuilt at a Catholic Hospital.. the least I can do for their granting me back the use of my arms and legs is to fight for them in a protest.

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Just curios, but what does your username mean?

OmahaConservative on May 27, 2012 at 7:24 PM

My Christian name..
and 81150 was my USAF AFSC number.. like an MOS in the Army. The 5 designates I was at the completed training skill level.

Security Police Ground Combat Specialist.. they changed the career designation after I left.. merged the two SP fields into one.. they are called Security Forces now.

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 7:46 PM

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Ahh, gotcha. Thanks and also thank you for your service to the country…

OmahaConservative on May 27, 2012 at 7:49 PM

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Yes, I agree with Ann and with you. If you do consider joining the Catholic Church, and I hope you do, ask your local priest about their RCIA classes, or Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults. You would attend those sessions and then you would be fully initiated at the Easter Vigil Mass, a beautiful experience in any case, but even more so when new initiates are welcomed. A couple friends of mine in my parish are Catholic converts and they are often more faithful to Catholic teachings than some lifelong Catholics I know.

What I sometimes think about, and what also scares me, is the subject of martyrdom. Catholicism is filled with their stories, saints who would rather die than renounce their faith. St. Thomas More is one among many. I won’t presume that God is calling me to do that, but at some point I know I do have to stand and fight, and like you, see our country as absolutely worth fighting for.

The thing is, I believe Obama and his minions are and going to be the losers ultimately. You said earlier that they take a malignant pleasure in making Catholics do what their faith forbids, so obviously it’s all about the power they think they have. But all you have to do is to remember the first part of Jesus’s words to Pilate: “You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above …”

PatriotGal2257 on May 27, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Thank you all for the kind words.. it was in 04.. Jun 7th.. one day before our wedding anniversary. We don’t celebrate it then anymore.. just doesn’t seem right to his memory to celebrate a time of joy.. just hours from the anniversary of his loss.

We celebrate our anniversary on Sweetest Day instead.. The day I asked my future wife to go out with me the first time. I bought her a single red rose to thank her for saying yes.. and a single red rose has been my special message ever since.

Every couple has their pain.. and their joy. We got through the pain together.. I cannot imagine life without her.

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 8:01 PM

If I’m reading it correctly, that was Ann Barnhardt’s point, to be openly defiant to force Obama’s hand.

PatriotGal2257 on May 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Everyone is ultimately going to do what they want, but I would prefer Obama not being re-elected. At least consider the possibility that open defiance may look very silly here. I could be wrong, but I could be right.

thuja on May 27, 2012 at 8:18 PM

About names..

Years ago I used to blog as a guest at a small low traffic blog. I used the tag puggs since it was my nickname at the time. Found out trolls like to try and track you down to intimidate you if they can. Had one threaten to call my employer and tell him what a fascist I was.

Short of it.. he was bluffing.. but I got religion about keeping my exact address and name offline as best I can.

I liked puggs.. but once you put in a user name.. they won’t let you change it.

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 8:26 PM

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Wow. That is a beautifully inspiring and tinged with sadness story — your wife, your son and your spine surgery. And your Air Force service – thank you for your service to our country.

God bless you and your family.

PatriotGal2257 on May 27, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Everyone is ultimately going to do what they want, but I would prefer Obama not being re-elected. At least consider the possibility that open defiance may look very silly here. I could be wrong, but I could be right.

thuja on May 27, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Well, I don’t want to see him re-elected either.

I certainly won’t vote for him, as I didn’t in 2008. And I’ll campaign against him to other people I know, even if they did vote for him the last time around.

And as for the open defiance, well, at some point, push will come to shove and a decision will have to be made. Will you fight for your freedom to practice your religion freely, or perhaps not to practice any at all? It’s been said many times before: if a government can force you to do something that violates your conscience, then it can force you to do practically anything. You can either stand up and fight or acquiesce. My mom always told me I came from a long line of headstrong women. I wouldn’t be comfortable at all being a toady for Obama.

PatriotGal2257 on May 27, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Everyone is ultimately going to do what they want, but I would prefer Obama not being re-elected. At least consider the possibility that open defiance may look very silly here. I could be wrong, but I could be right.

thuja on May 27, 2012 at 8:18 PM

How could defying Obamacares unConstitutional mandates be silly under any circumstance?

If Obama has to send Federal agents flak vests and sirens to drag hospital adminstraters and Priests away in cuffs.. with dozens if not hundreds of Catholics standing in the way….. all so he can FORCE Catholics to fund morning after pills.. rubbers.. IUD’s.. and abortions.. he has a damn good chance of outraging every religious person in this country.. which is what?.. 85%?..

You can say it’s just about access to the nicey nice words “contraceptive services”.. but it isn’t. It’s only a matter of minutes before NOW finds some willing feminist who needs an abortion to pay the tution just so she can DEMAND her free abortion from those women hating Catholics .. and the MSM will stay absolutely silent.

Because the pro-death crowd lost that argument years ago.. the public may tolerate abortions.. but they refuse to pay for them..

Obama would come out quite the petty dictater by doing this.

MSNBC may whine about those E-Bol Catholics but the optics will be Federal agents dragging crying Nuns and sad faced Priests out in cuffs for following their conscience.

They want war.. war on faith. they can have it.. sideways and lube free all the way till they can taste it.

We’re damned serious about this.

You can blow this off if you want.. but you’re awfully cavalier about giving up a Constitutional right just because you don’t like the Church’s doctrine.

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 8:43 PM

I am hoping the Catholics will vote PBHO out of office… your religious freedoms are more important than ‘party’ affiliation…

The DIMocrats are making you choose… choose wisely…

This one is for all the marbles… the rest of us are depending on YOU!!

Khun Joe on May 27, 2012 at 8:46 PM

We’re all Catholics now.

22044 on May 27, 2012 at 3:37 PM

The irony is that I AM Catholic. And have been thinking of leaving the Church thanks to their hypocrisy of supporting socialist `Rats and not holding elite politicians to the same standards as any other members.

If the Church holds firm on this it will help salvage it in my eyes.

wildcat72 on May 27, 2012 at 8:50 PM

My mom always told me I came from a long line of headstrong women. I wouldn’t be comfortable at all being a toady for Obama.

PatriotGal2257 on May 27, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Damn.. you and my wife would get along great. After all.. she keeps me in line.. and why would anyone not want to be partnered with a strong willed woman? Someone who goes along with whatever you say isn’t very interesting.. I want an equal.. and at 5’1″ she stands as tall as anyone I’ve ever known.

Don’t you ever check fire Dear Miss.. Stand your ground.. you’d be surprised how many will be behind you backing you up.

mark81150 on May 27, 2012 at 8:53 PM

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