Noted Romney ally still pushing Birther claims

posted at 7:51 pm on May 25, 2012 by Allahpundit

That’s the bad news. The good news: That “Dine with the Donald” event next week just got a lot more interesting.

Philip Klein tried to warn us back in February, but oh well. Alternate headline: “Who’s up for another news cycle devoted to talking about Obama’s birthplace instead of unemployment?”

“A book publisher came out three days ago and said that in his written synopsis of his book,” Trump went on, “he said he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia. His mother never spent a day in the hospital.”

Actually, Obama’s literary agency at the time, two decades ago, published a recently discovered catalogue of clients and their projects that included erroneous information about Obama and a prospective book about race that he ended up not writing. An agency assistant back then, Miriam Goderich, said last week that she was mistaken when she wrote that Obama was born in Kenya.

But Trump isn’t buying it.

“That’s what he told the literary agent,” Trump insisted. “That’s the way life works… He didn’t know he was running for president, so he told the truth. The literary agent wrote down what he said… He said he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia… Now they’re saying it was a mistake. Just like his Kenyan grandmother said he was born in Kenya, and she pointed down the road to the hospital, and after people started screaming at her she said, ‘Oh, I mean Hawaii.’ Give me a break.”

He’s talking about Joel Pollak’s piece at Breitbart.com last week, which revealed a booklet published in 1991 by O’s literary agent listing his birthplace as Kenya. Trump’s point is that the booklet proves that Obama didn’t start telling people he was born in Hawaii until later in life, when he started thinking about running for president and encountered the eligibility issue. In that case, though, how to explain this? The New York Times, February 6, 1990:

The new president of the [Harvard Law] Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University who spent four years heading a community development program for poor blacks on Chicago’s South Side before enrolling in law school. His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.

”The fact that I’ve been elected shows a lot of progress,” Mr. Obama said today in an interview. ”It’s encouraging.

I’m guessing with 99.9 percent confidence that they got the detail about being born in Hawaii from the man himself. This was a biographical puff piece about him becoming the first black editor of the Journal, after all; the easiest way to gather facts about his background for a story as easy and uncontroversial as that was to simply ask him. If he was telling reporters that his birthplace was Hawaii fully a year before the literary agent’s booklet came out, then Trump’s theory is demolished. Although I realize that won’t stop him: The new theory will be that Obama was already eyeing the presidency even as a young Harvard Law editor and started pushing the “Hawaii” story as sinister cover. That’s totally incoherent if you believe that he was also the source of the erroneous Kenya detail in his literary booklet bio, but there you go. We’re already in Phase Eight of Trump’s Birther evolution, so what’s one more?

Expect plenty of “Sistah Souljah moment” buzz next week from the media in anticipation of the Romney/Trump event. In fact, Mitt’s advisors already seem to be preparing for it, just in case. Says Kevin Madden, “He’ll stand up next to Donald Trump and he’ll talk about why he wants to be president. Any time the subject goes off of that, where it’s something where…Governor Romney would disagree, he’s going to make that very clear. Exit question via Byron York: Have Birthers read the law?


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The simple fact is that many people born in this country never receive a long form birth certificate. His certificate of live birth is real, but unfortunately they can be filed by third parties (Obama’s grandfather for ex.) and Hawaii didn’t make a practice of verifying such claims.

I believe that Obama’s mother, Stanley Dunham told him he was born in Hawaii, but that didn’t stop him from altering the story whenever it was convenient. Traveling on an Indonesian passport, applying to Harvard as a Kenyan national, picking up an extra Social security number or two…He was just out smarting the system.

He probably could have come clean anytime before they faked the birth certificate, but after that they were all in. Problem is, I don’t buy all the “layering” nonsense, they’ve got a birth certificate that can’t be distinguished from a real one…printed on genuine paper, by an authentic vintage 1961 typewriter , embossed with the actual Seal of Hawaii, signed by long dead Doctors ( the CIA has some true artists) and planted in the archives by the Democrat Governor.

None of this is going to come apart before the election, run against his record.

halfbaked on May 25, 2012 at 9:42 PM

It’s as if he was working deep cover for some kind of intelligence agency. It’s thoroughly ridiculous that this carefully engineered secrecy has been ignored by the press.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 25, 2012 at 9:41 PM

I heard it was the Illuminati. But we should ask AP first… he would understand this better than we would.

leftnomore on May 25, 2012 at 9:43 PM

You cannot damage an incumbent president with stories about his background, and if you try, it just looks pathetic, like you haven’t gotten over losing 4 years ago.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Exactly.

scalleywag on May 25, 2012 at 9:44 PM

scalleywag,

You are basically saying you can read everybody’s mind. It’s arrogant, and it’s stupid. People vote for different reeasons and you are telling us to kneecap ourselves and not talk about J. Wright Bill Ayers, OBama’s coccaine abuse, etc. I think that’s brain dead and that’s really the main reason McCain lost so bad, he didn’t use the information out there to hammer Obama.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:44 PM

I think scalleywag is a liberal or timid as hell. How do you not talk about J. Wright, Bill Ayers, Obama’s cocaine abuse if you want to win? Stupid as hell, but that’s the Republican party these days.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:46 PM

To me, calling Obama a socialist and then explaining why you say that is telling people what Obama has or has not done. I don’t see the conflict there, you are letting liberals define what labels we use and that is to their benefits, not our side. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Nope, not letting liberals define anything. Ordinary, middle-of-the-road voters simply do not use the same labels we do. Unless you have a special emotional attachment to the word socialist, there is literally no benefit to fighting over whether he’s met the socialist definition. The purpose of a campaign is not to win an argument over whether a certain label is the correct one for Obama, unless that label is “not the best choice for president”.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 9:48 PM

It’s would be like me suggesting to Democrats they shouldn’t talk about Bain. Like they are going to take Bain off the table. Hah! Democrats play to win and they don’t care if their attacks are true or legit or not, and Obama’s associations with J. Wrigh tand Bill Ayers is a a legit topic to talk about. Those aren’t mainstream kind of people there, and who you chose to associate with does reflect on you in my view. I don’t think most people disagree with that.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:48 PM

scalleywag,

…don’t bite on the worm again bud!

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 9:48 PM

It’s as if he was working deep cover for some kind of intelligence agency. It’s thoroughly ridiculous that this carefully engineered secrecy has been ignored by the press.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 25, 2012 at 9:41 PM

I heard it was the Illuminati. But we should ask AP first… he would understand this better than we would.

leftnomore on May 25, 2012 at 9:43 PM

I didn’t say that I thought he actually is, I said it was “as if”.

But you knew that, of course.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 25, 2012 at 9:49 PM

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 9:48 PM

…come on RHINO!

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 9:49 PM

RINO,

I think you tend to hoist yourself up on a Cross and say you know what every moderate thinks but even moderate is different. They are individuals and you don’t know how they vote. Calling Obama a socialist if it’s true and you can make the case isn’t a problem. If you don’t do it with confidence like McCain’s weak approach, that can be a problem. But if you say Obama is a socialist and then give examples, repeat some of his quotes, it’s not a hard case to make.

I understand you are a pretty liberal guy, your screenname screams that. People are going you a RINO probably it’s true and you get defensive about it b/c it’s kind of true. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:51 PM

I think Koolaid is retarded or something. The guy never talks like an adult. Just makes snarky attacks on me like some high school kid.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:52 PM

…don’t bite on the worm again bud!

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Yea, I’m done with that, he can be as arrogant AND ignorant as he wants, but I don’t have the time or the will to argue with a dolt.
He probably is another troll living in mom’s basement!

scalleywag on May 25, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Look, all I know is when Hannity is hammering Obama on J. Wright and Bill ayers, he gets a lot of calls from Democrats who are pissed off about it and you can tell they are worried it is effective propaganda b/c it is. Democrats don’t want people talking about that stuff but it can work if people are receptive to the message. People are fond of saying it didn’t work in 2008 but it’s not 2008 anymore and people are much more receptive to “dirt” on Obama. :)

There are some conservatives who understand propaganda and you need to let them handle the election and you stay over on the sidleines and prattle on about civility. Elections are won and lost in the gutter though. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:55 PM

I think Scallewag is an Obama supporter. No doubt in my mind about it b/c he’s getting all worked up about this. J. WRight and Bill Ayers always makes them panic.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:56 PM

What other president would get a free pass on an association like J. WRight and Bill Ayers. None of them, not even Bill Clinton. So let’s stop whining about this as though it’s unfair to Obama. That guy doesn’t care about being right about anything, and we are right about this.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Nope, not letting liberals define anything. Ordinary, middle-of-the-road voters simply do not use the same labels we do.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 9:48 PM

True, and many Conservatives balk at using such extreme (to them) labels. Folks don’t want to believe that Communists really do exist in America and they’re closer to running the show every year…mostly because people don’t want to believe it and want to think everything’s going to be A-OK.

And that’s exactly how these bastards have accrued their power. Ignorance is bliss so I’ve been told.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 25, 2012 at 9:59 PM

RHINO…you have to be nice to infants…so let me repeat what I suggested earlier…it seems like the others have a soft spot for babies
.
….

When you let them just talk to themselves…it has a calming effect…like sucking on a thumb does for an infant…and soon…………..they calm themselves to sleep…that’s good…*really quiet*…that’s good!

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 9:30 PM

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 10:01 PM

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 9:32 PM

…there’s a little bit of masochist in you?

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Tesla is kind of on-and-off in terms of trolling. In this particular discussion, he’s not being too obnoxious. I’m willing to engage Good Tesla in discussion. If Evil Tesla comes back, I’ll ignore.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 10:02 PM

I didn’t say Obama was a Communist. He’s a European sociialist, socialists in Europe go by the term socialist, they don’t run away from it, and Obama is just lke them. I see no problem with making Obama the term socialist, and you are letting Democrats define the course of a debate if you let them decide what lables you can use. That’s how intellectual cowards wnat to debate but it’s not the best way. A forceful accurate honest argument is always better than a hedging one designed to pander on some myth that moderates all see things the same way. You are not really modreate or independent if you think just like every other moderate/independent. They share no common ideology so these political consultants who assert they all see things the same way are idiots.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:02 PM

If all it takes for moderates to run vote for Obama is conservatives calling Obama a socialist and talking about J. Wright and Bill Ayers, we aren’t going to win the election anyway b/c they are committed liberals. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:06 PM

And if moderates are too stupid to figure out the economy sucks on their own with Romney and Rush telling reminding them 24-7 then the economy argument isn’t the great one you say it is. I think everybody kind of knows about the economy. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Pat yourselves on the back, birther morons.

Embrace the idiocy you have wrought.

Good Lt on May 25, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Obama was born in Hawaii.

The “exit question” is flawed. Byron York is wrong about the law.

http://thepatriotperspective.wordpress.com/2012/05/25/byron-york-and-birth-certificates/

From the nat law charts, which are used to simplify the law, and used by those who deal with nat law on a day to day basis:
On/after 12/24/52 and prior to 11/14/86

One citizen and one alien parent
Citizen had been physically present in U.S. or its outlying possessions 10 years, at least 5 of which were after age 14

Stanley was 18 and some months when Barack was born.

Thing is, the law has been changed many times. The problem is York puts for the law as it is today, not the law as it was when Obama was born, which is the law that applies. If Obama were born overseas, and Stanley was married, then he could, hypothetically, not be a US citizen.

Putting the law out there wrong just means that people who really look at the law will be conviced further of deception. It feeds the conspiracy nonsense and shows that he doesn’t know what he’s writing about.

Obama was born in Hawaii, but the way to prove it to the conspiracy-minded isn’t to say “birthers should read the law” and say they’re ignorant when York is the one who’s ignorant.

The “most transparent administration in history” has used this as a distraction tactic, and it seems to work all too often. He was born in Hawaii. Can we talk about the economy or Fast and Furious now?

CPL 310 on May 25, 2012 at 10:13 PM

I think a lot of people who beat up on the birthers are really just trying to tell people they are smart b/c they are not birthers. It’s kind of gratitutous (spell check). :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:16 PM

It’s kind of like some people will tell you that evolution is true even though they never realy looked into the issue on their own and really have no demonstrated scientific aptitude, they want to be seen as being on the side of Science and they learned this was Science in their liberal arts major. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:18 PM

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 10:02 PM

…yea I know…when the meds are working…but help humor the rest of us…you can see what’s going on from the start….the funniest thing I have seen here …is before the last 2 regs…when the vets let some guy talk to itself for an hour…before it finally went to sleep.

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Being anti-birther is a big branding thing with a lot of Republican pundits. I’m birther neutral b/c I have no need to brand myself one way or the other. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:20 PM

RINO,

I think you tend to hoist yourself up on a Cross and say you know what every moderate thinks but even moderate is different.

They’re all different, sure, and I wouldn’t claim to know what each one thinks, but there are still general behavior patterns.

They are individuals and you don’t know how they vote. Calling Obama a socialist if it’s true and you can make the case isn’t a problem.

As you say, they’re all different. So for some of them, it won’t be a problem. For others it will. If, as you say, you make a good case, then it’s no problem for most people. But making the case involves getting people to agree to draw the line where you draw it in terms of what the word “socialist” means, and what someone has to do to earn the title. Many people don’t use the word socialist the way we do, and aren’t particularly inclined to have the presidential candidate lecture them on economics.

If you don’t do it with confidence like McCain’s weak approach, that can be a problem. But if you say Obama is a socialist and then give examples, repeat some of his quotes, it’s not a hard case to make.

It’s not hard to make the case to you, because his actions fit your definition of a socialist. It is very hard to convince people that he’s a socialist if they don’t share your definition. You get bogged down in a pointless argument over what the word “socialist” means when you could just say what he does, say why it’s bad, and let everyone else decide what that label to put on it.

I understand you are a pretty liberal guy, your screenname screams that. People are going you a RINO probably it’s true and you get defensive about it b/c it’s kind of true. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:51 PM

You seem to misunderstand my screen-name. Most people get it, and generally don’t call me “a RINO”, though they call me “RINO” to abbreviate my name. I haven’t noticed many people calling me a RINO, other than a few rather extreme birther types. People who are more interested in politics don’t usually call me that because generally, things like opposing abortion, wanting lower taxes, lower spending, and less regulation, opposing racial preferences, supporting gun rights, opposing judicial activism, supporting the first amendment, supporting religious freedom, etc… are considered more on the conservative side of the political spectrum.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 10:25 PM

It’s kind of like some people will tell you that evolution is true even though they never realy looked into the issue on their own and really have no demonstrated scientific aptitude, they want to be seen as being on the side of Science and they learned this was Science in their liberal arts major. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:18 PM

So you’re both ‘evolution neutral’ and ‘birther neutral?’

Are you ‘Bush-did-9/11′ neutral?

Good Lt on May 25, 2012 at 10:26 PM

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 10:25 PM

….the baby!!!!!

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 10:28 PM

What Romney can’t call Obama a socialist and then define what he means by it and give example of Obama’s decisions and statemetns that back it up?

Nobody is saying call Obama a socialist and that’s it. I think you want to make that kind of false choice. It’ sjust a word, dude, a label of political philoshpy that a lot of people hold, like Mr. Obama. Why make a mountain out of a molehill?

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Good Lt on May 25, 2012 at 10:26 PM

…your not being Good….Lt!

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Good Lt,

Do you think truther = birther? That’s a false equivalence you see a lot of Republican pundits go for, b/c they majored in stuff like political science and not really the cream of the crop IQ wise. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:29 PM

There’s a big difference b/t saying a president blew up the WTC to stoke support for his War for Oil and saying you think a president wasn’t born in this country. One is a kooky accusation of murder and the other is quibbling over a legal document. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:31 PM

True, and many Conservatives balk at using such extreme (to them) labels. Folks don’t want to believe that Communists really do exist in America and they’re closer to running the show every year…mostly because people don’t want to believe it and want to think everything’s going to be A-OK.

If by “communists” you mean, “people who have a plan to put us all into concentration camps”, then you better have some pretty damned compelling evidence that that’s what the people in power are planning to do.

If by “communists” you mean something less extreme than that, then you should avoid saying the word “communist” because the word evokes the memory of genocidal monsters, and is therefore deceptive when used to describe people who are not planning to kill us all.

Which is it? Is there a credible case that the Obama administration is going to go all Joe Stalin on us, or not?

And that’s exactly how these bastards have accrued their power. Ignorance is bliss so I’ve been told.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 25, 2012 at 9:59 PM

They’ve been in power because we haven’t had the courage to spout birther cr@p loud enough?

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 10:33 PM

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 8:30 PM

You know that site actually confirms 0bama’s selective service record is an obvious forgery, don’t you?

Probably not.

Rebar on May 25, 2012 at 10:34 PM

And the thing is, Obama has said he was born in Kenya in the past. To me, you can’t really logically bitch about the birthers if you were saying you were born somewhere else, if it was just to make you seem exotic. You got to own your lies at some point. That why honesty is the best policy.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Good Lt

and not really the cream of the crop IQ wise.

…if you bite on that worm!

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 10:35 PM

He probably could have come clean anytime before they faked the birth certificate, but after that they were all in. Problem is, I don’t buy all the “layering” nonsense, they’ve got a birth certificate that can’t be distinguished from a real one…printed on genuine paper, by an authentic vintage 1961 typewriter , embossed with the actual Seal of Hawaii, signed by long dead Doctors ( the CIA has some true artists) and planted in the archives by the Democrat Governor.

OK now that is simply batsh-

None of this is going to come apart before the election, run against his record.

halfbaked on May 25, 2012 at 9:42 PM

You know, forget it. I completely forgot what I was about to say. +1,000,000!

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 10:37 PM

You know that site actually confirms 0bama’s selective service record is an obvious forgery, don’t you?

Probably not.

Rebar on May 25, 2012 at 10:34 PM

I can’t wait to hear this one. Do continue.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Do continue.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Certainly.

According to your site:
http://wiki.birtherdebunkers.net/index.php?title=President_Obama%27s_Selective_Service_Registration#The_Dates

shows the date stamps that supposedly prove his SS form is legit.

However, they all show the four digit date, when 0bama’s is the only stamp in USPS history with a two digit date.

Rebar on May 25, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Good Lt,

Do you think truther = birther? That’s a false equivalence you see a lot of Republican pundits go for, b/c they majored in stuff like political science and not really the cream of the crop IQ wise. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:29 PM

They really are mostly the same, they just manifest their kookiness in different ways. The general traits are the same, from the stupid “I’m just asking questions” nonsense, to the refusal to take 5 seconds to use a search engine to debunk obvious stupidity, to the dramatic youtube videos explaining their easily debunked theories, to the persecution complexes, to the belief that common misprints, typos, or numerical inconsistencies indicate likely malfeasance, to the absolute refusal to acknowledge alternative, non-paranoid explanations for things… it really is as though the two groups were separated at birth – hmmmm, now there’s a thought… Anyone seen their long forms?

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Noted Romney ally still pushing Birther claims

That’s because Trump, unlike some people, the Snifflers, isn’t a sniffling little coward.

VorDaj on May 25, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Ok,

I think it’s kooky to say people who believed Bush murdered people on 9-11 is the same kind of thing as people with questions about the birth certificate, partly b/c Obama has acted kind of weird about it, like refusing to release the long form ceriticate until Trump kind of forced him into doing so. To me that seems like a basic thing you just do from the start when you run for president.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:54 PM

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 10:52 PM

…the baby!

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 10:56 PM

I have my birth certificate in my posession and nobody is going to question it, so I don’t understand what the holdup was with Obama. I don’t see any pollitical advantage is not releasing it but you seem pundits suggest he was playing us by not doing that.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:57 PM

look guys,

stop all they petty bickering. it boils down to this, if we cant convince the majority of american taht 0bama was born in kenya and all thru his childhood and into adulthood and all the way to the presidency he was somehow able to fake it as being born in hawaii there is absolutely NO chance whatsoever that we can win the election in november.

chasdal on May 25, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Sure, but it’s rather hard to verify if actual documentation remains under lock and key. We have no paper trail for this man whatsoever as far as I’ve been able to see. It’s as if he was working deep cover for some kind of intelligence agency. It’s thoroughly ridiculous that this carefully engineered secrecy has been ignored by the press.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 25, 2012 at 9:41 PM

I’m not referring to what the public can’t see, because that’s all speculatory, and I don’t take speculations very seriously (that’s not to say I am uninterested in them. :)

Some of the verifiable lies I’m referring to are the ones Hawaiian officials have told us about the difficulty involved for persons looking to get their LFBCs – until June 2009, Hawaii’s state website itself told people where/how to get their LFBCs when necessary, and it wasn’t complicated. Then, for some reason no one knows (lol), the policy was changed, but only in word – there are plenty of cases online in which people have proven they were still able to get their LFBCs since then, into 2011 even, showing that the Hawaiian officials were blatantly lying.

Then, the behavior you’d expect, which is querying, “Why are you lying about this if you’re not hiding something?” immediately comes into play, with normal people at least, and that’s where the Anti-Birthers and those they label “Birthers” part ways – Anti-Birthers really don’t care to investigate the ‘why’ behind the supposedly unnecessary lies, and what makes them so offensive is the kind of controlling tactics they employ in order to get others to back off of the questioning to (hopefully) be right alongside them. I have no tolerance for rude and inhibitory scaredy cats like that.

Bizarro No. 1 on May 25, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Chasdal with the false choice nobody is putting forth but idiots like him. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Those who are as mice and sheep have by their nature already implicitly done so, but will everyone else please raise your right hand and repeat after me. All together now.

I pledge allegiance, and my life and whatever is left of my liberty and my dignity, to all Birth Certificates or Certifications, or PDFs of same, layered or unlayered, pitched or kerned whichever which way, that Dear Leader Emperor Barack Hussein Louie Hugo Benito Isuzu Obama has now, ever has had or ever will have, and to fully trust that at least one of them is somewhat valid in at least one of the 57 states, or at least legible, and that Dear Leader Emperor Barack Hussein Louie Hugo Benito Isuzu Obama is a non-caesarian and hence natural born citizen of the third planet from the sun, one nation under Obama, invisible, with hope and change for all, except, of course, for Terry Lakin and Joe Arpio and Jack Cashill and Nick Chase and Pieter Nosworthy and Cindy Simpson and Diana West and anyone who knows how to spell any of their names. Amen.

Doesn’t everyone feel much better? Yes, so now we can put this totally inconsequential matter completely to rest once and for all. Always trust Dear Leader Emperor Barack Hussein Louie Hugo Benito Isuzu Obama in everything he says and does even if the connection between what he says and does is not apparent to your lowly mind. He wouldn’t be doing what he is doing to whom he is doing it if he didn’t know where he was at when he was doing it or he wouldn’t be where he was at if he didn’t know what he was doing and to whom he was doing it to.

Cheshire Cat on May 25, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Obama has stated in the past he was born in Kenya. Can we not talk about that? If you say he was born in Hawaait, why did he say he was born in Kenya? He was lying about a basic thing about himself. To me that’s more interesting than where he was born.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:59 PM

and idiots like you wasting bandwidth on something that just doesnt matter.

chasdal on May 25, 2012 at 11:00 PM

chasdal,

I dont’ think you get to define what matters to other people. I never said it was a big issue for me, but I think you are being smarmy here with your false choices. And I say so.

If you don’t like that, stop being smarmy. I understand you want those cool points for bashing the birthers. THta’s not how I roll. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:03 PM

It seems to me all hte birthers are doing is agreeing with Obama’ own claim at one point he was born in Kenya. I don’t think that is kooky, they believe Obama, right? :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:04 PM

chasdal on May 25, 2012 at 11:00 PM

…come on chasdal!…you see what’s going on…why did you just waste your breath?…I mean bandwidth!

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 11:05 PM

I say it doesn’t matter if matter if Obama was born in Okloahoma or Arizona or Kenya, he’s a socialist.

Then the loser Republicans like cahsdai tell me I can’t call him a socialist either. So why don’t you fax us all a script of what we say about the mofo and we’ll jsut type that in for you, b/c you are a control freak. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:05 PM

I think when a group of people say you can’t talk about something, it’s human nature to kind of want to dive right in to that subject. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:07 PM

They’ve been in power because we haven’t had the courage to spout birther cr@p loud enough?

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Actually, the “birther crap” is a symptom of our lack of courage…the hope that Reagan will return and Happy Days will come again.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 25, 2012 at 11:07 PM

The Snifflers hate the “Birthers” (never minding that Obama himself was the first “Birther”), because unlike them, the “Birthers” are not Snifflers.

VorDaj on May 25, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Certainly.

According to your site:
http://wiki.birtherdebunkers.net/index.php?title=President_Obama%27s_Selective_Service_Registration#The_Dates

shows the date stamps that supposedly prove his SS form is legit.

However, they all show the four digit date, when 0bama’s is the only stamp in USPS history with a two digit date.

Rebar on May 25, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Actually, the site I linked to has this:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/circular-date-stamps-and-obamas-selective-service-registration/

Note the following:

4.6 Mailings

4.6.1 Mailing Date Format

The mailing date in meter indicia must meet the format standards in this section. The year must be represented by all four digits or by the last two digits. Mailers may print the indicia directly onto mailpieces or onto separate labels or tape affixed to mailpieces. The mailing date format used in the indicia is also subject to the following conditions.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Pat yourselves on the back, birther morons.

Embrace the idiocy you have wrought.

Good Lt on May 25, 2012 at 10:13 PM

So you’re both ‘evolution neutral’ and ‘birther neutral?’

Are you ‘Bush-did-9/11′ neutral?

Good Lt on May 25, 2012 at 10:26 PM

When I said of Anti-Birthers, “what makes them so offensive is the kind of controlling tactics they employ in order to get others to back off of the questioning to (hopefully) be right alongside them”, this is what I meant!

With his present skillset, Good Lt. certainly would not get a good grade in a debate course!!! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on May 25, 2012 at 11:09 PM

That’s the bad news.

In what sense? After three years is there even a shred of evidence that this has helped obama? Nope.

Ronnie on May 25, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:03 PM

as many posts as you have defending the issue it sure looks like you think it is awfully important. and just a few posts up you even try to pull that liberal trick, “Reagan did the same thing”

It seems to me all hte birthers are doing is agreeing with Obama’ own claim at one point he was born in Kenya. I don’t think that is kooky, they believe Obama, right? :)

full well knowing they will deny taht obama ever admitted that and if he did it was just to appear worldly or something for book sales. i’ll stop posting “smarmy” retorts exposing this as an idiotic foolish tangential issue when you stop defending it and admit its not an issue we can win on

chasdal on May 25, 2012 at 11:09 PM

All I know is all the bitching about the birthers by Republican pundits doesn’t make the birthers shut up about it. So logically it makes no sense to bitch about them b/c it’s a free country and they can talk about whatever they want to in the way they want to talk about it.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Distraction. Obama is praying that we take the focus off the economy, and his awful record and start talking about the stupid birther stuff again.

Pro tip: Nobody gives a Sh*t about about who Obama used to hang out with, how many drugs he did or whether he made up stuff about fake girlfriends and being born in Kenya to sound cooler. This is red meat and Independents don’t care. What they do care about is our trainwreck of an economy, and whether Romney will be a better President and can get the country back on track.

President Bush had a DUI, did drugs, partied hard, and his family had relations with some shady people. His Dad was part of multiple scandals. He was elected to two terms.

Drop this crap now or risk looking like idiots as Obama gets a free ride to a second term and turns us into Greece 2.0

1984 in real life on May 25, 2012 at 11:10 PM

I say it doesn’t matter if matter if Obama was born in Okloahoma or Arizona or Kenya, he’s a socialist.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Today with Marx I brew, tomorrow with Engels I bake
And then the hopes and dreams of millions, I will take
For very few yet know my sly little game
That Hussein Vissarionovich Obama is my real name!

Cheshire Cat on May 25, 2012 at 11:11 PM

@chadai,

I’d like to see who you voted for in 2008. I’d bet you 10000 it was Obama. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I forgot the economy sucks b/c some people were talking about the birth certificate.

That’s the basic logic the geniuses of the REpublican party put forth.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:12 PM

I forgot I didn’t have a job b/c the birthers distracted me. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:11 PM

you dont care much about the birther issue but when someone disagrees w/ you on it they must be obama supporters? cause i notice im not the first one on this thread you accused of that. your pathetic man.

chasdal on May 25, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I didn’t notice gas prices were high b/c Trump said something about the birth certificate.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:14 PM

you dont care much about the birther issue but when someone disagrees w/ you on it they must be obama supporters? cause i notice im not the first one on this thread you accused of that. your pathetic man.

chasdal on May 25, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I think you voted for him in 2008, or you were one of the few diehard McCain supporters.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:14 PM

I forgot Obama has spent a pile of money and racked up debt b/c the birthers distracted with the birther stuff.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Chasdal with the false choice nobody is putting forth but idiots like him. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 10:59 PM

pot meet kettle!! talk about false choices. its not about “forgetting” how bad things are. its about

do i wanna vote for a guy who seems level headed or a guy who buys into wacked out conspiracy theories?

chasdal on May 25, 2012 at 11:16 PM

a booklet published in 1991 by O’s literary agent listing his birthplace as Kenya

… how to explain this? The New York Times, February 6, 1990:

Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.

I’m guessing with 99.9 percent confidence that they got the detail about being born in Hawaii from the man himself.

Probably, and I’m guessing with 99.9 percent confidence that his literary agent got the detail about being born in Kenya from the man himself. She certainly didn’t get it from the New York Times article.

And regardless of the source of her unchecked “fact” that he was “Born in Kenya”, it is implausible that Obama didn’t know what his own bio said from 1991 to 2007.

He allowed that claim to stand, for over 15 years and through multiple revisions for his changes in occupational position.

Where does that leave us? With the conclusion that Obama was the source of both claims: “Born in Hawaii” and “Born in Kenya”.

If you define a “Birther” as someone who believes that Obama has lied about his birth narrative, then “Birthers” have been PROVEN RIGHT!

ITguy on May 25, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:14 PM

well you obviously got the interwebs off in your foil encased lair. do a little searching on this site and see if you can find out.

chasdal on May 25, 2012 at 11:17 PM

I say it doesn’t matter if matter if Obama was born in Okloahoma or Arizona or Kenya, he’s a socialist.

Then the loser Republicans like cahsdai tell me I can’t call him a socialist either. So why don’t you fax us all a script of what we say about the mofo and we’ll jsut type that in for you, b/c you are a control freak. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Here’s the script. You say whatever you want, but before you say it, ask yourself:

1. Does this sound like some cr@p a crazy person would make up?
2. Does this sound like some weaselly way to imply that someone is a secret genocidal maniac, without saying it outright, giving me plausible deniability, based on the absurd theory that people won’t figure out what I’m trying to do?
3. Is what I am about to say so obviously false that it takes 5 seconds on the internet to refute?
4. Is what I’m saying technically true, but also completely beside the point, because the only people who believe it are my supporters, and it annoys people who don’t believe it, when I could say the same thing in a different way that won’t annoy them?
5. Are there other commonsense reasons not to say what I’m about to say?

All I’m saying is that if the answer to any of those questions is “yes”, then perhaps it would be better to rethink one’s phrasing.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 11:18 PM

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Well that is first class nonsense.

The USPS required four digit years, every other stamp ever seen from them has four digits, that lame excuse that the “19 fell out” is beyond ridiculous since those dates are all one piece. That’s not a metered mail stamp, those are standard PICA stamps which all use four digit years. I also see they failed to find any other SS form with a two digit year stamp, and we all know how hard they must have looked for one.

You’re grasping at straws, and reveling an agenda.

Rebar on May 25, 2012 at 11:18 PM

I have a pretty good memory so maybe most people can only hold one thing in their brain.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:18 PM

If you define a “Birther” as someone who believes that Obama has lied about his birth narrative, then “Birthers” have been PROVEN RIGHT!

ITguy on May 25, 2012 at 11:16 PM

OH!!! wow, youve cleared that right up! except birthers go even further and claim he was born in kenya and has concealed that fact for 50 years. and they also seem to think that it is the most important issue, the one pivotal thing that can bring us victory in november.

chasdal on May 25, 2012 at 11:19 PM

I think Obama is the crazy guy. You won’t find me hanging out with racist hate monger preachers who are just idiots, you want find terrorist associations in my past, you won’t find me saying callow stuff like white man greed in a world o’ need, you won’t find me suggesting I was born in some other country to make myself seem exotic, etc.

Obama’s a nutjob and I’m not a nut if I point out he’s a nut. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Obama’s two books are weird as hell yet people still want to make him out as though he’s mainstream American.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Whether Obama was born in Hawaii or Kenya is not the issue anymore. His BC and selective service documents are fakes. They’re BAD fakes. Obviously, they didn’t have much of a choice about who to ask to produce the fakes. Only a wacko would agree to such a thing and risk being discovered. (Hey, didn’t we just hear about a wacko like that today?)

In addition, if he was born in Hawaii, he most likely committed fraud by claiming to be born in Kenya in order to get foreign money for school.

The RINOs can cry “birther” all they want. Doesn’t fraud and forgery mean anything? Shouldn’t Obama and perhaps even a number of other people be frog marched off to jail? Why doesn’t any reasonable member of the press care about this enough to demand real answers?

The Rogue Tomato on May 25, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Obama’s a nutjob and I’m not a nut if I point out he’s a nut. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:20 PM

your right, its a myriad of other reasons that make you a nut…

chasdal on May 25, 2012 at 11:23 PM

your right, its a myriad of other reasons that make you a nut…

chasdal on May 25, 2012 at 11:23 PM

I think you are the nut, you want to brown nose Obama for some reason. That’s your right but I’m not going to join in. Nothing I’m taling about is not legit to talk about. I think you are pissed off about it b/c you know it’s effective or you live in this fear state based on nonsense some political pundits put out there.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:26 PM

I think Obama is the crazy guy. You won’t find me hanging out with racist hate monger preachers who are just idiots, you want find terrorist associations in my past, you won’t find me saying callow stuff like white man greed in a world o’ need, you won’t find me suggesting I was born in some other country to make myself seem exotic, etc.

Obama’s a nutjob and I’m not a nut if I point out he’s a nut. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Ok, but this stuff has been floating around the Internet for YEARS. It was brought up in the 2008 election, and even in the Democrat primary by Hilary. Breitbart, Rush, Hannity, Sherrif Joe, etc. have been hammering about the issue of Obama’s shady past, drug use, lies for years. The information is out there, and other polls show most people really do believe Obama is hiding something from his past.

Guess what that’s gotten us? One Obama term and a POTUS who still enjoys very high personal approval ratings.

1984 in real life on May 25, 2012 at 11:27 PM

chasdal on May 25, 2012 at 11:09 PM

…(are you dense?)..

When you let them just talk to themselves…it has a calming effect…like sucking on a thumb does for an infant…and soon……………they calm themselves to sleep…that’s good…*really quiet*…that’s good!

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 9:30 PM

?

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Guess what that’s gotten us? One Obama term and a POTUS who still enjoys very high personal approval ratings.

1984 in real life on May 25, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Ok, things change, right? you look at things in a static way, but I think the message was a good one in 2008, but it didn’t matter were not receptive to it. I think people are receptive to it now.

I put it all out there and let the voters decide. You not being truthful if you claim everybody knows all this stuff. That’s not true.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:29 PM

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 11:18 PM

…I like you….but today you are being an azz…and you know why.

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 11:30 PM

1984 in real life on May 25, 2012 at 11:27 PM

…another one!

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 11:30 PM

One of the things Rush and Hannity have been talking about is how people are telling them they didn’t know Obama did cocaine. That’s in his own books. So you can’t say everybody knows all this stuff. I don’t know how you don’t know that. I think most everybody has heaed the rumors that Bush did cocaine in the past b/c liberals didn’t shy away from that.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:31 PM

chasdal on May 25, 2012 at 11:19 PM

There is a wide spectrum of issues involved in what some collectively call “Birtherism”.

There is the uncertainty regarding whether or not the “Obama birth narrative”, as currenly told, is 100% true or not. And Obama has only himself to blame for the first known occurrence of “Obama was born in Kenya” appearing in his own publicist’s pamplets and web site from 1991-2007.

There is the fact that Obama admits that he was born a British subject (i.e., subject to the jurisdiction of the British crown) because his father was a British subject.

There is the uncertainty regarding a likley adoption by Lolo Soetoro, and his being made an Indonesian citizen.

There is the uncertainty regarding which country’s passport he used to travel to Pakistan.

There is the legitimate disagreement about what the precedent set in the U.S. Supreme Court case of Minor v. Happersett means in regards to the construing of the Article II Section 1 phrase “natural born citizen”.

All of these issues seem to be collectively lumped into a bucket called “Birtherism”, but that is not an honest approach to conversing with those who have legitimate and serious legal questions regarding Obama’s eligibility to hold the office of President of the United States.

ITguy on May 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Cheshire Cat on May 25, 2012 at 11:11 PM

…why are you playing with the puppy?

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Probably, and I’m guessing with 99.9 percent confidence that his literary agent got the detail about being born in Kenya from the man himself. She certainly didn’t get it from the New York Times article.

Explanation 1: She was writing about a guy whose father was from Kenya, with family in Kenya, and with all of that in her head, mentally slipped and wrote that he was from Kenya. She didn’t really put much thought into it. She kind of screwed up.

Explanation 2: He lied about a verifiable fact, namely, his birth location, in order to give himself a more exotic mystique, even though he had plenty of equally exotic things in his background, like having traveled the world as a child, eating puppies.

And regardless of the source of her unchecked “fact” that he was “Born in Kenya”, it is implausible that Obama didn’t know what his own bio said from 1991 to 2007.

He allowed that claim to stand, for over 15 years and through multiple revisions for his changes in occupational position.

Explanation 1: He never looked at his Bio at all, or glanced at it but didn’t read it carefully, or glanced at it, and noticed the inaccuracy, but was too busy to follow up on fixing it, and then forgot about it.

Explanation 2: He deliberately allowed the inaccuracy to remain in order to give himself an exotic mystique that he had anyway, even though he had presidential aspirations and having people think he was born in a different country could kill those.

Where does that leave us? With the conclusion that Obama was the source of both claims: “Born in Hawaii” and “Born in Kenya”.

If you think explanation 2 for each of the previous questions is plausible, and explanation 1 is implausible, then I suppose so. This is what separates birthers from the rest of us.

If you define a “Birther” as someone who believes that Obama has lied about his birth narrative, then “Birthers” have been PROVEN RIGHT!

ITguy on May 25, 2012 at 11:16 PM

You have a very nuanced definition of the word “proven”.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 11:33 PM

New York Times, February 6, 1990: “Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.”

Allahpundit’s response:

I’m guessing with 99.9 percent confidence that they got the detail about being born in Hawaii from the man himself. … If he was telling reporters that his birthplace was Hawaii fully a year before the literary agent’s booklet came out, then Trump’s theory is demolished.

A promotional booklet produced in 1991:
Obama was “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”

Allahpundit’s response:

The point, as Pollak explains, isn’t that the Kenya detail should be taken at face value but rather that it’s another case of Obama, who once famously described himself as a “blank slate” for voters, re-inventing his identity for professional gain. An author born in colonial Kenya sounds more worldly at first blush than one born in Honolulu …

Double standard?

imasoulman on May 25, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Do you think truther = birther?

What’s the difference?

Both are conspiracy theorists, and both rely on increasingly shoddy evidence to make their, ahem, “cases.”

Good Lt on May 25, 2012 at 11:34 PM

One thing I have noticed about a lot of the diehard anti-birthers is they seem more eager to make the case Obama was born in the States than they are that Obama sucks. Why don’t you just Obama’s PR guys handle the birther stuff?

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 11:37 PM

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