Noted Romney ally still pushing Birther claims

posted at 7:51 pm on May 25, 2012 by Allahpundit

That’s the bad news. The good news: That “Dine with the Donald” event next week just got a lot more interesting.

Philip Klein tried to warn us back in February, but oh well. Alternate headline: “Who’s up for another news cycle devoted to talking about Obama’s birthplace instead of unemployment?”

“A book publisher came out three days ago and said that in his written synopsis of his book,” Trump went on, “he said he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia. His mother never spent a day in the hospital.”

Actually, Obama’s literary agency at the time, two decades ago, published a recently discovered catalogue of clients and their projects that included erroneous information about Obama and a prospective book about race that he ended up not writing. An agency assistant back then, Miriam Goderich, said last week that she was mistaken when she wrote that Obama was born in Kenya.

But Trump isn’t buying it.

“That’s what he told the literary agent,” Trump insisted. “That’s the way life works… He didn’t know he was running for president, so he told the truth. The literary agent wrote down what he said… He said he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia… Now they’re saying it was a mistake. Just like his Kenyan grandmother said he was born in Kenya, and she pointed down the road to the hospital, and after people started screaming at her she said, ‘Oh, I mean Hawaii.’ Give me a break.”

He’s talking about Joel Pollak’s piece at Breitbart.com last week, which revealed a booklet published in 1991 by O’s literary agent listing his birthplace as Kenya. Trump’s point is that the booklet proves that Obama didn’t start telling people he was born in Hawaii until later in life, when he started thinking about running for president and encountered the eligibility issue. In that case, though, how to explain this? The New York Times, February 6, 1990:

The new president of the [Harvard Law] Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University who spent four years heading a community development program for poor blacks on Chicago’s South Side before enrolling in law school. His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.

”The fact that I’ve been elected shows a lot of progress,” Mr. Obama said today in an interview. ”It’s encouraging.

I’m guessing with 99.9 percent confidence that they got the detail about being born in Hawaii from the man himself. This was a biographical puff piece about him becoming the first black editor of the Journal, after all; the easiest way to gather facts about his background for a story as easy and uncontroversial as that was to simply ask him. If he was telling reporters that his birthplace was Hawaii fully a year before the literary agent’s booklet came out, then Trump’s theory is demolished. Although I realize that won’t stop him: The new theory will be that Obama was already eyeing the presidency even as a young Harvard Law editor and started pushing the “Hawaii” story as sinister cover. That’s totally incoherent if you believe that he was also the source of the erroneous Kenya detail in his literary booklet bio, but there you go. We’re already in Phase Eight of Trump’s Birther evolution, so what’s one more?

Expect plenty of “Sistah Souljah moment” buzz next week from the media in anticipation of the Romney/Trump event. In fact, Mitt’s advisors already seem to be preparing for it, just in case. Says Kevin Madden, “He’ll stand up next to Donald Trump and he’ll talk about why he wants to be president. Any time the subject goes off of that, where it’s something where…Governor Romney would disagree, he’s going to make that very clear. Exit question via Byron York: Have Birthers read the law?


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THE DONALD!

GOOD TIMES!

LOL

gerrym51 on May 25, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Well at least the leftist blogs will have a talking point.

CorporatePiggy on May 25, 2012 at 7:55 PM

…what is it about hair that makes people crazy? Biden with his plugs..and the Donald with his comb?

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Trump is a clown and could care less who is president. All he wants is face time. douchebag extra-ordinaire

Rio Linda Refugee on May 25, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Kenya is too far away for him to be born there.

ahlaphus on May 25, 2012 at 7:57 PM

I stopped caring about Kenya/Hawaii a while ago. I still care, however, about his Connecticut social security number. The fact that he has one makes no sense to me whatsoever, and I’ve never heard a single plausible explanation for him having a Connecticut social security number. And I would like one, please…

joejm65 on May 25, 2012 at 7:57 PM

So is Hawaii.

ahlaphus on May 25, 2012 at 7:58 PM

cripe

cmsinaz on May 25, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Why does Trump keep saying Obama was born in Kenya, when even Obama has stopped claiming that?

Jim Treacher on May 25, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Has anyone asked Obama why he told his literary agent that he was “born in Kenya,raised in Indonesia and Hawaii?” Does anyone know why he would say that?

Capitalist Infidel on May 25, 2012 at 8:01 PM

cmsinaz on May 25, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Happy TGIF to you!!..:)

Dire Straits on May 25, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Joe Farah is one of the worst things to ever happen to the Conservative movement.

AYNBLAND on May 25, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Jim Treacher on May 25, 2012 at 8:00 PM

+ 100..Good point!!..:)

Dire Straits on May 25, 2012 at 8:03 PM

I feel some relief over this. Will admit to having a sneaking worry Mitt might pu thim on the ticket. Yeah, yeah, I knew better, but….. this should make me sleep a little more sound.

a capella on May 25, 2012 at 8:03 PM

It’s a valid issue, in particular since Obama was the very first birther…I don’t think he was born in Kenya but the biographical information used by his literary agent claims that he was of Kenyan origin. If that is a fraudulent claim, then Americans need to know about it…

Nozzle on May 25, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Well, at least he doesn’t have tiger’s blood and Adonis DNA.

Corporal Tunnel on May 25, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Happy TGIF to you!!..:)

Dire Straits on May 25, 2012 at 8:02 PM

evenin’ DS :)

cmsinaz on May 25, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Joe Farah is one of the worst things to ever happen to the Conservative movement.

AYNBLAND on May 25, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Yep.

Breitbart saw right through this tool.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 8:09 PM

I stopped caring about Kenya/Hawaii a while ago. I still care, however, about his Connecticut social security number. The fact that he has one makes no sense to me whatsoever, and I’ve never heard a single plausible explanation for him having a Connecticut social security number. And I would like one, please…

joejm65 on May 25, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Bwhahahaha!

Uppereastside on May 25, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Why does Trump keep saying Obama was born in Kenya, when even Obama has stopped claiming that?

Jim Treacher on May 25, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I’ve seen you post this on Twitter about a bajillion times, and on various other blogs, and I’ll be damned if I don’t let out a little chuckle each and every time.

El Dillo on May 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM

I don’t know what’s more aggravating, playing the race card or playing the trump card.

fogw on May 25, 2012 at 8:11 PM

It’s a valid issue, in particular since Obama was the very first birther…I don’t think he was born in Kenya but the biographical information used by his literary agent claims that he was of Kenyan origin. If that is a fraudulent claim, then Americans need to know about it…

Nozzle on May 25, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Of course you do you tin foil POS.

Uppereastside on May 25, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Obama used Kenya like Elizabeth Warren used Cherokee. As Victor David Hansen wrote, it made him “exotic”.

Marcus on May 25, 2012 at 8:17 PM

All I can say is if we throw out the NBC clause of the Constitution we might just as well use the rest for toilet paper. We either follow the law or don’t have any!

tim c on May 25, 2012 at 8:19 PM

what’s this “pushing birther claims” crap? Trump is responding to Soetoro saying he was born in kenya until 2007, when he decided to run for usurper of USA. Anyone with common sense knows soetoro is lying and so is the book agent. The Donald is a smart guy but ya donts needs to be smarts to know soetoro was borns in kenyas.

Mr. Sun on May 25, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Veep!

Buckshot Bill on May 25, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Philip Klein tried to warn us back in February, but oh well. Alternate headline: “Who’s up for another news cycle devoted to talking about Obama’s birthplace instead of unemployment gay stuff, non-stop, 24/7?”

This is considerably more honest.

Dongemaharu on May 25, 2012 at 8:25 PM

The new theory will be that Obama was already eyeing the presidency even as a young Harvard Law editor and started pushing the “Hawaii” story as sinister cover. That’s totally incoherent if you believe that he was also the source of the erroneous Kenya detail in his literary booklet bio, but there you go.

You just don’t get it. This just proves how diabolically insane Obama really is. Only a true sociopath would brazenly and deliberately tell two completely contradictory stories about his biography at the same time, to similar audiences.

He knew that this way, he could keep up the Kenya story for exactly as long as it was politically useful to him, and then immediately drop it, and have the NYT profile to fall back on when people called him on his antics.

If people pointed out the inconsistency during the period of time that the Kenyan story was more useful, he could have aides say that the NYT story was the mistake. At that point, it wouldn’t be such a big deal, so he could have some low level aides make the “correction”, and then later, when he wanted to run for national office, he could say that the aides were in fact mistaken and the NYT story was right after all. If, on the other hand, no one noticed the problem until he was seeking the presidency, or in this case, was actually president, then that’s even better – he could say that the Kenya story was the mistake, and not even have to contradict anything an assistant might have said earlier.

It’s absolutely brilliant, in a fiendish, Satanic sort of way.

But let’s face it, there’s really no other plausible explanation whatsoever, and if you disagree it’s because you’re either a liar, a dupe, or a candy-ass RINO squish who doesn’t have the guts to speak truth to power.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Noted Romney ally (Trump) still pushing Birther claims

Why wouldn’t he?

All Obama has to do is release his long form birth certificate and it goes away. Instead Obama releases a manufactured birth certificate that is fraudulent.

Obama is hiding something and the press is pointedly uncurious about discovering such.

RJL on May 25, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Uppereastside on May 25, 2012 at 8:13 PM

It’s called fraud. It’s a crime. Obama’s entire life is a fraud however so does it really matter? He is one-lie heaped on another…No wonder he had all his records sealed. The democrats elected themselves a true manchurian candidate this time. Not to worry, America will flush this fraud down the $hitter soon enough. Unfortunately, we will be left with a 5T dollar hangover…

Now, kindly phuk-off!

Nozzle on May 25, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Whether Obama was born in the US or on Pluto is utterly irrelevant today. But that toupe needs camera time and this is the best he can do.

CorporatePiggy on May 25, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Obama used Kenya like Elizabeth Warren used Cherokee. As Victor David Hansen wrote, it made him “exotic”.

Marcus on May 25, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Yep.

Obama is a blank slate.

Now he is out there saying he has “two sons”

tetriskid on May 25, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Now, kindly phuk-off!

Nozzle on May 25, 2012 at 8:27 PM

+100

Electrongod on May 25, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Obama: The First Etch-A-Sketch.

Electrongod on May 25, 2012 at 8:30 PM

I stopped caring about Kenya/Hawaii a while ago. I still care, however, about his Connecticut social security number. The fact that he has one makes no sense to me whatsoever, and I’ve never heard a single plausible explanation for him having a Connecticut social security number. And I would like one, please…

joejm65 on May 25, 2012 at 7:57 PM

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/

That’s to answer any lingering questions about the birth certificate, your current questions about the Connecticut social security number, and the next ten or twenty kooky conspiracy theories Orly Taitz comes up with.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 8:30 PM

“Whether Obama was born in the US or on Pluto is utterly irrelevant today. But that toupe needs camera time and this is the best he can do.” Irrelevant??? A sheriff joe criminal investigation of fraud and forgery by the commie usurper soetoro is IRRELEVANT? Go back to your comic books.

Mr. Sun on May 25, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Terrific

+1

It would be my pleasure to vote against Obama/Romney/Trump, and I hope the majority of voters will join me.

FloatingRock on May 25, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Voting against Bush/Obama/Romney/Trump would be even better!

FloatingRock on May 25, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Veep!

Buckshot Bill on May 25, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Do NOT see it happening!!..:)

Dire Straits on May 25, 2012 at 8:34 PM

What’s the big deal if Trump or anybody wants to talk about the birth certificate stuff? Free country and there’s been no evidence that talk of it hurts Republicans. That’s why Democrats squeal about it so much.

Nobody is going to forget about the economy if somebody talks about the birth certificate. If Obama was a REpublican, it would be wall to wall coverage of the birth certifcate stuff by the liberal media.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Maybe The Donald thinks it’s EXOTIC to talk about the commie kenyan.

Mr. Sun on May 25, 2012 at 8:37 PM

There is something beautiful about the establishment’s and National Review’s golden boy Romney being in bed with the man they hate most, Trump.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 8:39 PM

The way I see it – if he was actually born in Hawaii (which I doubt) and he applied for school as a foreign student, he de-frauded the schools. If he was born in Kenya (which I think he did), he is a fraud president, as obviously not not a natural born citizen. Either way, his position smells badly, and probably won’t be charged until late January 2013, along with Holder and others. This is just my prediction.

Amazingoly on May 25, 2012 at 8:39 PM

ya think there might be sumpin’ to that expression “those who laugh last”? Ya think Donald is thinkin’ it right now.

Mr. Sun on May 25, 2012 at 8:41 PM

The new theory will be that Obama was already eyeing the presidency even as a young Harvard Law editor and started pushing the “Hawaii” story as sinister cover.

No. The theory is that he’s a pathological liar and you can’t trust anything he says. Since he’s claimed that he was born in Kenya (along with everything else in the world) you have to stop screaming as if you KNOW when he was lying and when he was telling the truth.

He’s an idiot – another evident characteristic of the Dog-Eater that you vigorously denied for as long as you could until people couldn’t ignore what was right in front of them.

Get a brain, already and stop being so smug about things that you have screwed up for years. The Dog-Eater said, at some point, that he was born in Kenya. True or false, you have no idea – but that’s the point – YOU HAVE NO IDEA.

He’s ineligible because of his multiple citizenships, anyway, but that’s so far above your pay grade that we won’t even bother going into that.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 25, 2012 at 8:42 PM

All I can say is if we throw out the NBC clause of the Constitution we might just as well use the rest for toilet paper. We either follow the law or don’t have any!

tim c on May 25, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Nonsense. The Constitution and all that stuff comes in second compared to the economy and our bank accounts./

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 25, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Look people, Obama has no BC. The one offered up is a childish fake. I mean Jeebus, all ya gotta do is look at it. Anyway, his fraudulent appointment is not some ‘distraction’ that should be ignored in favor of bashing his pi$$-po’er record. It IS the fundamental problem with Obama. The very foundation upon which he exists at all is a lie. In his fraudulent position he has appointed 2 SCOTUS’s, signed bills including ObamaCare, signed numerous EO’s, and most importantly has commanded our military…ALL OF THIS AS A FRAUD. This is a constitutional crisis of the highest order and should not be brushed aside. He and those who actively helped in the cover up are all guilty of treason.

It is his actions since he has been in office that is the real distraction.

RavingLunatic on May 25, 2012 at 8:45 PM

The reality is it doesn’t matter if he wasn’t born in Hawaii or the States, he would never be disqualified b/c he’s the first black president and a Democrat.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Dr. Zhiv,

I’m more worried about the economy and my bank account than if Obama was born here or not. You are not going to get rid of him on the basis of his birthplace.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 8:47 PM

If soetoro wasn’t runnin’ for usurper in early 2007, it would still say “born in kenya”. The records, documents etc started getting washed around that time, including passports with the passport office breakin allegedly by John Brennan’s group.

Mr. Sun on May 25, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Veep!

Buckshot Bill on May 25, 2012 at 8:24 PM

On the one hand, I don’t want Obama to win, since he’s a horrible president. On the other hand, there’s that mischievous part of me that wants to watch massive, horrible catastrophes.

Sure, a birther on the ticket would be a train wreck for the Republicans. But such a glorious train wreck.

And sure, another 4 years of Obama would be a disaster for the country as well. But what a magnificent disaster ‘twould be.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I’m of the opinion that it just doesn’t matter anymore who he is, where he was born, how much pot he smoked or coke he blew up his nose. These are all things we should have known about him in the first place, so it’s a little late to be “telling all” at this point. Where were the book writers in 2008? The most important thing right now is that we somehow have to prevent this poseur from being elected again. Losing in 2012 is not an option.

scalleywag on May 25, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Sheriff Joe blockbuster news in approx two weeks. Soetoro has been usurper for 3 plus years and “disqualified” is being turned into criminal fraud and forgery charges.

Mr. Sun on May 25, 2012 at 8:51 PM

It will be interesting to see Democrats lash out at Obama if he loses. They’ve been brown nosing this guy so hard for 4 years now so you know they are going to unload on him once it’s not longer a political requirement for them to suck up.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I’m of the opinion that it just doesn’t matter anymore who he is, where he was born, how much pot he smoked or coke he blew up his nose. These are all things we should have known about him in the first place, so it’s a little late to be “telling all” at this point. Where were the book writers in 2008? The most important thing right now is that we somehow have to prevent this poseur from being elected again. Losing in 2012 is not an option.

scalleywag on May 25, 2012 at 8:51 PM

I don’t think people like you have a clue on what it takes to win an election. All that stuff matters, and the reality is people are more receptive to it now than they were in 2008 because the economy does suck and they are looking for any reason not to like him as a person as well. It’s a fool who says we shouldn’t provided all these reasons why maybe he’s not such a great guy. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Alternate headline: “Who’s up for another news cycle devoted to talking about Obama’s birthplace instead of unemployment?”

THere is an assumption this is bad. First of all, Trump is not Romney, he is a Romney supporter, someone generally well liked by the general public especially because he is willing to use words others will not (like ‘you’re fired’) and because he will speek on subjects people are being commanded not to speak of. Trump’s willingness to address birthers increases his independent reputation, and in these times, independence trumps eccentricity

The public is angry. Many think they are being chumped. Pols on both sides are acting like rulers, not supplicants, and they are treating the public like childrem, not bosses

Trump is considered to be his own man, on his own track. He is not considered to be a Romney mouthpiece.

There will be a move to drown out the Romney message, but the worst case is they will move the media spotlight to Trump. They are already smothering Romney and it is not working

Romney is really good at batting back stupid questions, Rush said it today. He stays on topic. When Mitt bats back the curve ball, people hear him. IMHO such controversy is good for split second image retention, if the candidate has any talent

It doesn’t matter is Trump puts up birther flow charts. As long as he doesnt do it on stage with Romeny, Trump will retain his populatiry as a bonafide celebrity and Romney will gain from have a man who is not believed to be a puppet of the establishment give him an endorsement

This is what the public will retain: the endorsement. A strong endorsement with speechmaking is even better.

This is still 1830 in politics. The public finds their own heros.

In other words, ten mealy mouth county commissioners, a professor, a rich guy and some fat balding Congressment do not necessariy equal the split second image of a Donald willing to shake hands in public with a Mitt

Too many high horses these days and they do not understand what makes the non elite angry

entagor on May 25, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Jim Treacher on May 25, 2012 at 8:00 PM

+ 100..Good point!!..:)

Dire Straits on May 25, 2012 at 8:03 PM

RINO made a good point. Obama wanted it both ways. There is no doubt really that Obama provided this information. Every other client swore they were required to provide this information and where else could it have come from (I know another Barry Obama LOL).

Look fact is Barry is not legitimate. Period. By his own account his father was not an American citizen meaning Barry was not a Natural American he was a dual citizen American/British. Fact is Obama could settle this in a few minutes by ordering Hawaii to release his actual Birth Certificate to Arizona or another unbiased person. But he has never done this. Internet copies are meaningless try to get a drivers license with one or register to vote. If that is not enough his Social Security Number on his Presidential Taxes is not his he stole it from someone in CT.

Fact 2. No one has guts enough to really press the issue and talk about it takes talk away from the the economy. Why Obama keeps this going although it is very unlikely he was born in Hawaii. There is a sworn statement he has no real BC there. Most likely he is 100% Kenyan.

Fact 3. I really just want this dropped by everyone. It is not a winning strategy. The Courts in America and 100% corrupt when it comes to anyone in power.

Steveangell on May 25, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Romney’s a good campaigner compared to McCain. He’s wimpy on the J. Wright and Bill Ayers stuff though, maybe b/c he knows RUsh and Hannity will handle that for him.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 8:58 PM

To me, Romney’s greatest assett is he’s smart, so if he criticizes Obama on the J. Wright and Bill AYers associatoins and just sticks to it like a man who knows he’s right, people will believe it’s legit criticism, b/c it is legit criticism.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I’m more worried about the economy and my bank account than if Obama was born here or not.

That’s a Democracy you’re describing, where there are no limits or rules on government other than what people vote for. That’s not America. We are supposed to be a Constitutional Republic.

You are not going to get rid of him on the basis of his birthplace.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 8:47 PM

So what? What’s right is right. Either you care about the Constitution – as opposed to your bank account – or you don’t. Clearly many are scared to even let anyone think they care about the Constitution and they think that attacking those who do will somehow make their lives better and make them appear more intelligent to the idiots who never cared about any of this and couldn’t care less about the Constitution or America, anyway.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 25, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I should say, Romney’s greatest assest is the perception is he smart. RomneyCare and some of the other stuff he did in Mass makes me question that.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:00 PM

So what? What’s right is right. Either you care about the Constitution – as opposed to your bank account – or you don’t. Clearly many are scared to even let anyone think they care about the Constitution and they think that attacking those who do will somehow make their lives better and make them appear more intelligent to the idiots who never cared about any of this and couldn’t care less about the Constitution or America, anyway.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 25, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I confess that I don’t care as much about the Constitution as many of my conservative friends do, b/c a lot of them were defending RomneyCare on the basis it is Constitutional. I’m more interested in how government affects me, not whether or not the Constitution says government can do it to me.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Scalleywag,

Yes, beating Obama is the result we are looking for. Keeping the pressure on him on all fronts is a tactic. His fraudulent past does not do him any favors. It’s just part of the picture we need to draw for the voting public. The MSM will not talk about the biographical his agent was using up until 2007. Even so, having it on Drudge for a week means that tens of millions now know about it. Those tens of millions will talk to more tens of millions of friends and family members about it…Make no mistake, it is a big problem for Obama. Americans don’t like people who play dirty pool. Obama selling himself as a Kenyan to sell books is dirty pool with a profit motive. This is something Americans of all political dispositions find disgusting.

Nozzle on May 25, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Bwhahahaha!

Uppereastside on May 25, 2012 at 8:09 PM

…see from your comment…you’re studying for your GED again!

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Has anyone asked Obama why he told his literary agent that he was “born in Kenya,raised in Indonesia and Hawaii?” Does anyone know why he would say that?

Capitalist Infidel on May 25, 2012 at 8:01 PM

No one in the old media can ask that, it’s a career ender, and he would not answer it anyway. The only possibility is for him to stumble into another Joe Wurzelbacher incident and get asked, and that only happens if his handlers screw up bigtime.

slickwillie2001 on May 25, 2012 at 9:03 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 25, 2012 at 9:00 PM

….POP…don’t even start…get everybody else’s hint will you?

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Republican pundits seem to think that if you talk about Obama’s birth certificate, this generates sympathy for him and “independents” will rush to vote for him. That’s always seemed kind of simplistic to me and I woulodn’t doubt if it’s actually the “independents” who are most interested in the birth certificate stuff, b/c that’s non-idealogical kind of stuff that they tend to like. They don’t vote on political philosophy kind of stuff in general or that’s the impression I get.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:06 PM

I get the impression that REpublican pundits think talking about Obama’s birth certification is the equivalent of accusing him of rape. Same thing with calling Obama a socialist, it’s like accusing him of murder or something. There’s no sense of proportion. These Republican pundits will go nuts if you say Obama is a socialist, what’s the big deal, everybody knows it’s true.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:08 PM

They don’t vote on political philosophy kind of stuff in general or that’s the impression I get.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:06 PM

The press doing it’s work. I agree this point does not help Obama except in keeping other things out of the news.

So far as the constitution. This is the least of our worries. Would Biden be better. NO.

Steveangell on May 25, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Well I woudl prefer Biden to Obama. For starters, all the race card stuff goes away and we get debate stuff without that hysteria in the mix.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Steveangell on May 25, 2012 at 9:10 PM

…quit being an idiot…and let it just talk to itself.

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 9:12 PM

I don’t think your average “moderate” cares that much about stuff like spending and the debt. You have to look at at political propaganda like a buffet, you got to set the table with a variety of dishes that cater to everybody’s different tastes. You don’t want to limit yourself jus tto ham, b/c some people may like turkey better.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:15 PM

It’s really not productive for Der Donald to engage in these sorts of antics, but I howled and howled watching the media heads exploding when he was talking about this stuff last year.

Dack Thrombosis on May 25, 2012 at 9:17 PM

The Donald makes me laugh..he’s only doing this to torment Obama, the media and liberals.

rubberneck on May 25, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Explain the draft card.

FirelandsO3 on May 25, 2012 at 9:18 PM

How is it counterproductive though, we haven’t lost any election yet b/c of the birth certificate stuff despite the REpublican pundits getting all wee wee weed up about it like it’s the end of the world. Few people are not going to vote for Romney b/c some Republicans were talking about the birth certificate, but there are probably quite a few votes we can capture by talking about or letting somebody kind of on the outskirts of conservatism talk about it, like Donald Trump. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:20 PM

This is something Americans of all political dispositions find disgusting.

Nozzle on May 25, 2012 at 9:03 PM

You’re right.

scalleywag on May 25, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Romney knows what I’m talking about here, that’s why he is buddy buddy with Donald Trump, much to the chagrin of Dr. Charles Krauthammer and company. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I think Hillary is more likely to be the real Candidate. I think this deal was hatched in 2008. I think Obama has an even bigger job in mind.

Makes little difference I suppose as I love GOD so must be crazy.

Steveangell on May 25, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I think some of the REpublican hysteria over any discussion of the birth certificate is do to a fear it will be construed as racially motivated, but I think that’s an irrational fear. In my mind it’s not really “nutty” to be a birther, you can say they are wrong or stubborn, refuse to look at the facts, whatever but at the end of the day, they are just talking about a legal document and questioning if Obama’s is legit. It’s not nutty like believing Bush blew up the WTC.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:25 PM

You think Hillary is going to replace Obama as the candidate? I don’t see that.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:26 PM

I don’t think people like you have a clue on what it takes to win an election. All that stuff matters, and the reality is people are more receptive to it now than they were in 2008 because the economy does suck and they are looking for any reason not to like him as a person as well. It’s a fool who says we shouldn’t provided all these reasons why maybe he’s not such a great guy. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 8:54 PM

I agree we should point out all the reason he shouldn’t be elected but the only ones hearing them are the ones who don’t want him re-elected, his followers don’t care. Do you think George Clooney cares that he smoked pot? Will that keep him from holding fundraisers for him? I don’t think we should focus on anything but his failures while he’s been in office. And there are plenty of those to focus on. And I’m not clueless and I’m not a fool, thank you.

scalleywag on May 25, 2012 at 9:28 PM

I think if Obama was polling so far behind Romney that looked like he had no shot at winning, Bill would encourage HIllary to jump in the general and rally Democrat support around her. It would have to be that kind of scenario b/c black voters especially woudl be pissed off about it.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Scall,

I can’t help but think you are a liberal if you are saying stuff like this.

Clooney’s a commited liberal, not a moderate on the fence. We are not trying to get hhis vote, I hope.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:30 PM

…that’s good!…that’s good!
When you let them just talk to themselves…it has a calming effect…like sucking on a thumb does for an infant…and soon…………..they calm themselves to sleep…that’s good…*really quiet*…that’s good!

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Dr. Zhiv,

I’m more worried about the economy and my bank account than if Obama was born here or not. You are not going to get rid of him on the basis of his birthplace.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Fine, but what I’m saying is that if our Constitution doesn’t matter, then what are we about in America? I agree we’re not going to get rid of him about this, but I’ve always found it discouraging to see fellow Conservatives berating those of us that are concerned about this issue. Also, I don’t get those Conservatives that aren’t.

Of course Obama’s failings need to be the focus, but there again there is so much mystery about his past that maybe that should be brought to the forefront whenever possible.

Why is it only the Communists that believe in protracted conflict, the use of the echo chamber, and “nudging”? Why do we Conservatives only want to stick to those things that the Leftists can most easily combat and spin in the arena of public opinion?

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 25, 2012 at 9:32 PM

According to Rush and Hannity, lot of people don’t know Obama did crack cocaine, had associations with J. Wright and Bill Ayers, etc, and there seems to be more interest in that kind of stuff this time around b/c people are swooning over the fact he’s black anymore. It makes sense to talk about that stuff, if you want to win the election. If you think the world is so simple that everybody only cares about the stuff you do, you are either kind of stupid or very arrogant.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:32 PM

I get the impression that REpublican pundits think talking about Obama’s birth certification is the equivalent of accusing him of rape. Same thing with calling Obama a socialist, it’s like accusing him of murder or something. There’s no sense of proportion.

The problem isn’t that it’s disproportionate, the problem is it’s so obviously disingenuous. It sends a loud and clear message that says “we must be really desperate, or we wouldn’t be pushing this obvious BS”.

These Republican pundits will go nuts if you say Obama is a socialist, what’s the big deal, everybody knows it’s true.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Everyone at hotair, maybe. Plenty of ordinary, non-political types do not know this to be true, because they either don’t understand socialism, or because they have stricter definitions of socialism, e.g., complete government ownership of the means of production. The public at large does not believe that Obama intends to nationalize the economy — parts of the public believe this, but many other parts don’t. The word “socialist” is unfortunately also close enough to “communist” that it has a bit of a red-baiting vibe.

Bottom line is, it sounds like a desperate attempt to get ideologues riled up, not a serious attempt to persuade.

More generally, you should never call your opponent any names, period, no matter how true. Not because it’s mean to your opponent, but because everyone has different criteria for when someone has crossed the line into being a “socialist”, or “communist”, or whatever.

It’s much smarter to talk about what your opponent has/hasn’t done, and then let the voter decide what label they want to put on it.

Just say “Obama has put the government in control, or at least gotten them very involved, in large sections of the economy, to rather disastrous effect.” To the right, that means socialism or communism, to the middle, that means extreme liberalism, and to some on the not-so-far left, that means “went a little too far”. It comes across exactly as harsh as the most plausible attack you can get away with, for each group – you were never going to sell centrists and center-leftists on the “socialism” label, but you still make your point that he’s not a good president.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 9:32 PM

I don’t berate birthers. I love all my children including birthers, truthers, even Larry Flynt.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:33 PM

To me, calling Obama a socialist and then explaining why you say that is telling people what Obama has or has not done. I don’t see the conflict there, you are letting liberals define what labels we use and that is to their benefits, not our side. :)

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:34 PM

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/

That’s to answer any lingering questions about the birth certificate, your current questions about the Connecticut social security number, and the next ten or twenty kooky conspiracy theories Orly Taitz comes up with.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 8:30 PM

That site is authoritative? Are you joking? Honestly, what grades would you give FactCheck and PolitiFact when it comes to accuracy? “A”s? lol

The website you linked to is not thorough at all, and it takes the word of every Hawaiian official at face value even when their claims can be shown to incontrovertibly false by documentary evidence, the explanation given there about the differences between Hawaii’s LFBC and short forms being a good example of what I am saying.

That site is obviously biased – it’s like seeing defenders of the theory that Vince Foster committed suicide completely ignore the fact that Foster was prescribed trazadone at the dosage meant to combat sleep problems, not at the anti-depressant level (3x the dosage he received.)

I don’t trust people who ignore information which doesn’t fit into their particular beliefs – do you? Anyone who doesn’t take an honest, in-depth look at both sides of the argument regarding 0bamessiah’s birth narrative is a partisan hack, and that goes for both the “Birthers” and Anti-Birthers who are guilty of basing any intrangisent conclusions they’ve reached on less-than-adequate research.

Bizarro No. 1 on May 25, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Liberals generally hate it when you call them liberals too, so of course they are going to squeal if you call them socialists. Doesn’t make it less true though. Honesty is always the best policy. I think McCain looked awkward when he would call Obama a socialist then back off of it b/c his political consultants were all hyssteriacal over the use of that label. Call Obama a socialist with confidence and it’s cool. Relish saying the truth.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 25, 2012 at 9:32 PM

…way to go bozo!

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 9:32 PM

…there’s a little bit of masochist in you?

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Rush played all of Obama’s anti-capitalism statements back to back to back in a montage the other day. I thought that was very effective and the message is Obama is a socialist. It’s irrefutable and being lableled a socialist doesn’t help Democrats.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:38 PM

I don’t trust people who ignore information which doesn’t fit into their particular beliefs – do you? Anyone who doesn’t take an honest, in-depth look at both sides of the argument regarding 0bamessiah’s birth narrative is a partisan hack, and that goes for both the “Birthers” and Anti-Birthers who are guilty of basing any intrangisent conclusions they’ve reached on less-than-adequate research.

Bizarro No. 1 on May 25, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Sure, but it’s rather hard to verify if actual documentation remains under lock and key. We have no paper trail for this man whatsoever as far as I’ve been able to see. It’s as if he was working deep cover for some kind of intelligence agency. It’s thoroughly ridiculous that this carefully engineered secrecy has been ignored by the press.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 25, 2012 at 9:41 PM

scalleywag on May 25, 2012 at 9:28 PM

…e tu scalletwag?

KOOLAID2 on May 25, 2012 at 9:41 PM

He’s ineligible because of his multiple citizenships, anyway, but that’s so far above your pay grade that we won’t even bother going into that.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 25, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Basically what I’ve been screaming for years. AP KnOws EveRyThiNg and the rest of us must be good little kids and nod along.

leftnomore on May 25, 2012 at 9:41 PM

According to Rush and Hannity, lot of people don’t know Obama did crack cocaine, had associations with J. Wright and Bill Ayers, etc, and there seems to be more interest in that kind of stuff this time around b/c people are swooning over the fact he’s black anymore. It makes sense to talk about that stuff, if you want to win the election. If you think the world is so simple that everybody only cares about the stuff you do, you are either kind of stupid or very arrogant.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:32 PM

The number of people who care about that stuff that would even think about voting for Obama in the first place is approximately 0. Rush and Hannity are totally off on this.

Among anyone who hasn’t made up their mind, there is almost infinitely less interest in these issues this time around. In 2008 it was important because no one knew who Obama is. In 2012 everyone knows who he is – he’s the 44th president of the United States. Sure, they should have pushed some of this stuff harder in 2008 (not the birther nonsense, but the connections to people like Ayers, Dohrn, and Khalidi). But it’s 4 years too late for that now. You cannot damage an incumbent president with stories about his background, and if you try, it just looks pathetic, like you haven’t gotten over losing 4 years ago.

RINO in Name Only on May 25, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Scall,

I can’t help but think you are a liberal if you are saying stuff like this.

Clooney’s a commited liberal, not a moderate on the fence. We are not trying to get hhis vote, I hope.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:30 PM

That isn’t what I said. I said bringing these things to light isn’t going to make any difference. People who read this stuff already know they don’t want him for president. What will get people not to vote for him again isn’t going to be what he did as a teen, it’s going to be his record in office. It’s going to be about unemployment and their shrinking paychecks. And that’s what we need to focus on to get him out…the ISSUES people are facing right now. And I think Romney has been doing a good job staying focused on that and I don’t think he needs to run an ad about Obama and his VW van full of pot smoke. It will just marginalize his efforts.

scalleywag on May 25, 2012 at 9:41 PM

The thing is, Republican pundits are ok with you saying Obama is for big govnerment and anti-capitalism, but if you call him a socialist, they wig out on you, but the meaning is the same. Socialism is only a label for people who hold a big govevnernment political philosophy and who hate capitalism and/or play on hate of capitalism for votes.

Dr. Tesla on May 25, 2012 at 9:42 PM

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