Wisconsin poll: Walker 50, Barrett 45

posted at 8:01 pm on May 23, 2012 by Allahpundit

No worries. The little Eeyore on my shoulder is tired after yesterday’s post so I’m not going to try to talk you onto the ledge over this one. It’s undeniably good news — 50/45 is perfectly in line with nearly all the other recent polls, excluding that We Ask America survey that had Walker by nine. And right now, the only potentially vote-shifting news on the wires has to do with Walker’s opponent, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, bragging about crime stats that may in fact have been falsified by the PD. Everything’s coming up Scotty!

Well, not quite everything:


Note the trend in that second data set. The public doesn’t quite buy Walker’s explanation that this is chiefly about taxpayer money either:

And yet, his job approval has bounced from 38 percent in the fall to a healthy 52 percent now. I’d been treating this election as a de facto referendum on the collective bargaining law but evidently that’s way too simplistic. The public appears to be lukewarm about it at best but still fairly solidly committed to retaining Walker. Any theories as to why, Wisconsinites? I’m thinking it has to do with rosier jobs numbers, or possibly an expression of massive voter frustration with the interminable recall shenanigans that the state’s had to deal with for more than a year. Maybe some fencesitters are breaking for Walker to send a message that this nonsense has to end, once and for all. (That was part of the reason for the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel’s surprising endorsement.) What else am I missing?


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Donks and Unions: Fear the Cheese!

Bruno Strozek on May 23, 2012 at 8:04 PM

First.

AllahsNippleHair on May 23, 2012 at 8:04 PM

You suck Bruno! I’m telling Bishop’s nipple hair!!!!

AllahsNippleHair on May 23, 2012 at 8:05 PM

First.

AllahsNippleHair on May 23, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Not.
-

Really???

CW on May 23, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Or possibly the fact that Wisconsin Dems turned the ledgers into another Blue Model slush fund of waste and patronage, and Walker has balanced the budget.

Despite all our sneering at them during the BDS years when their pols were as bad as any other blue Midwestern state, it’s possible that Wisconsinites really are fans of good government. I didn’t believe the talking heads either, but Wisconsin is too liberal and Scott Walker too close to a bona-fide con for it to be anything else but a healthy appreciation for good government.

Even with the collective bargaining issue, the Dem’s argument boils down to an underpants gnome alternative. Wisconinites might not like Walker’s plan, but it is a plan.

HitNRun on May 23, 2012 at 8:08 PM

I’d been treating this election as a de facto referendum on the collective bargaining law but evidently that’s way too simplistic. The public appears to be lukewarm about it at best but still fairly solidly committed to retaining Walker. Any theories as to why, Wisconsinites?

Walker’s war chest has been swelling in size for months. It was a loophole in the recall law that allowed him to gather significantly more money than his opponents.

Additionally, I think people genuinely grew weary of the protesters the more they became associated with the Occupy movement.

MadisonConservative on May 23, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Well it looks like this Koch brothers funded puppet may succeed in fully buying out the majority of Wisconsinites.

Folks who sit on their hands hoping this puppet will bring jobs to Wisconsin deserve whatever they get.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

…skrew these polls!!!
.
.
.
…it’s the ECONOMY stupid…!!!

KOOLAID2 on May 23, 2012 at 8:12 PM

That’s still too damn close considering the prerequisite Democratic voter fraud.

hepcat on May 23, 2012 at 8:12 PM

I suspect for many residents of Wisconsin ,including many of whom disagreed with some of Walker’s actions, realized this is just silly and wasteful. He was barely in office six months and they were blaming him for the unemployment rate. Many people are too smart and too fair to fall for such b.s.

CW on May 23, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Well it looks like this Koch brothers funded puppet may succeed in fully buying out the majority of Wisconsinites.

Folks who sit on their hands hoping this puppet will bring jobs to Wisconsin deserve whatever they get.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

…well…go suck on your puppet!

KOOLAID2 on May 23, 2012 at 8:13 PM

“…about decreasing the budget deficit or more about trying to decrease the power of public-sector unions?”

Not much we can glean from this question – decreasing the power of public sector unions is a subset of decreasing the budget deficit. Probably why 2-3 times more people were unsure about this question than the other questions.

http://www.fiscalwars.wordpress.com

stout77 on May 23, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I have to imagine that people in Wisconsin that aren’t particularly partisan have to think this recall is silly.

Flange on May 23, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I’d been treating this election as a de facto referendum on the collective bargaining law but evidently that’s way too simplistic. The public appears to be lukewarm about it at best but still fairly solidly committed to retaining Walker. Any theories as to why, Wisconsinites?

Walker’s war chest has been swelling in size for months. It was a loophole in the recall law that allowed him to gather significantly more money than his opponents.

Additionally, I think people genuinely grew weary of the protesters the more they became associated with the Occupy movement.

MadisonConservative on May 23, 2012 at 8:08 PM

He overspent his opponent 25 to 1 with more than 80% of his funding coming from out of state crony capitalists.. Glad I don’t live there.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:15 PM

if walker wins, it’s obvious that they have to educate why collective bargaining is bad in the public sector (it is akin to you striking a deal with your co-worker…lacks the opposing interests required for a fair deal).

they apparently have failed on explaining that to date.

teejk on May 23, 2012 at 8:15 PM

By your analysis, I hope you understand why most progressives brand conservatives as people who hate minorities. In other words racists.

Uppereastside on May 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Only one playing the race card is you and your right wing lunatics. All you do is bring race into every equation.

Uppereastside on May 2, 2012 at 12:47 PM

rogerb on May 20, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Hat Tip rogerb. ; )

Bmore on May 23, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Walker will make a fine Governor.

Bmore on May 23, 2012 at 8:15 PM

y guess the reason on those numbers is that the public is not fully informed as to how the PUs inability to collectively bargain is the reason the property taxes did not go up nor were there teacher layoffs.

Plus any time you say “rights” or “right” most people knee jerk.

Do you think that Public Unions retaining collective bargaining is worth paying an extra $500 per year each year on your property taxes?

Would get a far different percentage in the poll.

jukin3 on May 23, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Folks who sit on their hands hoping this puppet will bring jobs to Wisconsin deserve whatever they get.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

terkerjerbs!

forest on May 23, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Upper east side says it all… Not only cooler by the lake but apparently dumber too. How’s that liberal guilt working 4u 1%er?

fewenuff on May 23, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Well it looks like this Koch brothers funded puppet may succeed in fully buying out the majority of Wisconsinites.

Folks who sit on their hands hoping this puppet will bring jobs to Wisconsin deserve whatever they get.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

It feels good to know that I am Koch brothers, and my puppet will succeed in kicking some feces out of public unions. In fact, maybe I should make him legislate those unions out of existence. It sucks to be liberal these days, doesn’t it?

Archivarix on May 23, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Aren’t you the least bit embarrassed at this huge waste of time and money to get rid of a politician that has only done what he promised to do in his campaign? Add to that that the state is doing well and it makes all of this that much more stupid. God knows there will be another regular election before you know it.

Cindy Munford on May 23, 2012 at 8:19 PM

I wonder what the outcome would be if you just rephrased the questions. For instance, “Should taxpayers have the right to at least have a representative present at the bargaining table?”.

stout77 on May 23, 2012 at 8:21 PM

His numbers starting rising after Chris Christie visited. Just sayin’…

SouthernGent on May 23, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Poor Uppereastside…..

hmmm and no complaints about all the outside money that got us here in the first place. It is ok though when the left pours money in Wisconsin in Upper’s little word. What a lame tiresome troll.

CW on May 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

buying out the majority of Wisconsinites.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

The majority that VOTED WALKER IN? You’re just plain insane.

CW on May 23, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Boom….Boom….Boom….I hear the Walker drums of Victory!!!!!

canopfor on May 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM

CW on May 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

That’s not “outside money”, that’s “grassroots activism” wingnut!

I gotta hand it to the Koch’s; that was the best spent $35K in political history.

/s

JeffWeimer on May 23, 2012 at 8:26 PM

By your analysis, I hope you understand why most progressives brand conservatives as people who hate minorities. In other words racists.

Uppereastside on May 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Only one playing the race card is you and your right wing lunatics. All you do is bring race into every equation.

Uppereastside on May 2, 2012 at 12:47 PM

rogerb on May 20, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Hat Tip rogerb. ; )

Bmore on May 23, 2012 at 8:15 PM

LOL his composite is not a race-baiter. Makes it easier to talk out of both sides of his mouth when he has an imaginary friend he can bring to the debate.

stout77 on May 23, 2012 at 8:26 PM

I really think this will be a blowout! It will be a preview of Nov. Am I being too optimistic?

Exit Question: Is a Walker win, humpbot worthy?!?!?!

WhatsRight on May 23, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Don’t celebrate until the night when Walker has won.

Wisconsin is the barricade of 2012.

As goes Wisconsin, so will go the nation, on Nov.6, 2012.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2012 at 8:28 PM

I’d been treating this election as a de facto referendum on the collective bargaining law but evidently that’s way too simplistic. The public appears to be lukewarm about it at best but still fairly solidly committed to retaining Walker. Any theories as to why, Wisconsinites?

I think the collective bargaining is the anger factor but — with time to think about it — I believe the left would have tried to recall Walker even if he hadn’t passed Act 10. Why? While going through some local paper’s photo montage of 2011, they had a picture of protestors outside Walker’s inauguration. They hate him simply for governing while Republican and we’d probably be here anyway.

Also, part of it is the demonstrably childish, violent behavior of the left. Threatening businesses, shutting down schools, raiding the capitol building. I know I, for one, am sick of their childish antics.

As I said in another thread: Walker won County Executive in DEEPLY blue Milwaukee County (twice, I believe), he won the election in 2010. Republicans retained control of state government AND the conservative justice won the Supreme Court race.

But this I cannot emphasize enough: WE CANNOT BE COMPLACENT. We MUST get to the polls. Every single person who supports Walker MUST vote. Don’t think his win is a fait accompli because of the polls. It will be close, but let’s make it a wide enough margin that they can’t Al Franken us.

If we can vote Donald Driver winner of “Dancing With the Stars” we can keep Walker in office.

englishqueen01 on May 23, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Well it looks like this Koch brothers funded puppet may succeed in fully buying out the majority of Wisconsinites.

The Koch brothers don’t have to pay me to vote for Walker. Unlike Democrats, who regularly bribe people to vote for them.

englishqueen01 on May 23, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Listened to Dr Bennett this morning, he said walker is very concerned about fraud

Conservative4ev on May 23, 2012 at 8:31 PM

I really think this will be a blowout!
WhatsRight on May 23, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Define blowout. I think Walker wins by 3-7%. The big union money AND including OUTSIDE money combined with the strong union presence will make it hard to be much bigger than a 7% win.

CW on May 23, 2012 at 8:31 PM

With a win, Allah owes us the Humpbot.

either orr on May 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

CW,

I think a 7% win would be devastating to the left…If it’s called early, that will be a bonus, too!

Remember, we were told he will be recalled and defeated and they just can’t wait to get R done!!!

WhatsRight on May 23, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Upper must be off drying the tears.

CW on May 23, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Exit Question: Is a Walker win, humpbot worthy?!?!?!

WhatsRight on May 23, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Yeah. Yeah it is.

Meanwhile, we need to take care to maintain the narrative from then until November. Dems response to it is obvious. It will be the same response that they made in Virginia in ’09 and various places in ’10: they’ll throw Barrett under the bus and deny that this victory had anything to do with Wisconsin moving right, or Walker doing well by them. They’ll state that their candidate was terrible, that the split within the party was too much, and claim it has no bearing on November. Don’t let them convince you of that. Don’t let them convince anybody of that. A Walker win will be a hard-fought, meaningful, humpbotworthy victory.

Gingotts on May 23, 2012 at 8:35 PM

I’m guessing 70% of those polled have no idea that public union bargaining is an issue here. We are at the mercy of the clueless.

bernverdnardo1 on May 23, 2012 at 8:37 PM

He overspent his opponent 25 to 1 with more than 80% of his funding coming from out of state crony capitalists.. Glad I don’t live there.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Imagine that. He spent more money than his opponent getting his message out, after over a year of you pathetic union lackeys screaming and crying that he was the Antichrist as loudly as possible. You’re also conveniently ignoring the fact that he had more time to raise funds than his opponents, so of course he would have outspent them…he had way more money!

And Mark Dayton got oodles of out of state funding during his run for the governorship of Minnesota. I didn’t hear you mewing then.

MadisonConservative on May 23, 2012 at 8:38 PM

He overspent his opponent 25 to 1 with more than 80% of his funding coming from out of state crony capitalists.. Glad I don’t live there.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:15 PM

..yeah, yeah, yeah, we all heard this whine from Hizzzonner last night on Greta. I can see you tools are getting your weeping words ready for the inevitable defeat.

Cry me a river, you elitist dildo.

The War Planner on May 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Well it looks like this Koch brothers funded puppet may succeed in fully buying out the majority of Wisconsinites.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Wake up, d*ckhead. He was elected into office by a majority of the Wisconsin voting public long before you empty-headed slime molds ever said a word about the Koch brothers. They didn’t buy anything.

You dips**ts, on the other hand, apparently wrote checks that your feeble and dishonest character assassinations couldn’t cash.

MadisonConservative on May 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Well it looks like this Koch brothers funded puppet may succeed in fully buying out the majority of Wisconsinites.

Folks who sit on their hands hoping this puppet will bring jobs to Wisconsin deserve whatever they get.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Unlike Barack Obama, Governor Walker has net new jobs under his belt.

Resist We Much on May 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM

He overspent his opponent 25 to 1 with more than 80% of his funding coming from out of state crony capitalists.. Glad I don’t live there.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Yep…
Because if you did..

Some of that money might have made it into your pockets via what you do for a living…spreading his wealth around the community…and all.

But it would be better just to raise taxes on everyone, including out of state wealth providers and give you that money.

The American Dream.

Electrongod on May 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM

He overspent his opponent 25 to 1 with more than 80% of his funding coming from out of state crony capitalists.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:15 PM

I guess you must be referring to me, since I sent him some. (Those darn crony capitalist Tea Party wingnuts!)

Burke on May 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM

So funny to hear libs complaining about spending. You picked this FIGHT! Now you’re upset because you’re getting punched in the nose?!?!?! My God have you no sha….oh wait of course you don’t!

WhatsRight on May 23, 2012 at 8:46 PM

If private-sector unions exist to protect workers from owners, how can the same logic be applied when the workers are also the owners? This is the equivalent in business of a silent partner allowing the active partner to vote himself a larger share of ownership in the company. This is especially true when taxpayers who aren’t also state employees are represented at the table by pro-union democrats.

http://www.fiscalwars.wordpress.com

stout77 on May 23, 2012 at 8:46 PM

His numbers starting rising after Chris Christie visited. Just sayin’…

SouthernGent on May 23, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Sorry, not buying. I haven’t heard anything about Christie’s visit but what is doing it is the numbers- the savings are starting to come in and be counted and the property taxes didn’t go up (in most areas, minus those who either didn’t use the tools Walker provided or who voted through referendums to increase spending beyond the limits). The sign that the reforms are working is what is making the difference, not any visit from any other politician.

Betenoire on May 23, 2012 at 8:50 PM

I don’t think many people truly understand what “bargaining rights” means. And if they don’t of course people think they should be able to bargain for the best price. That’s probably how many of the uniformed believe.

Capitalist Infidel on May 23, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Fleebagger backlash?

that’s all i gots.

ted c on May 23, 2012 at 8:54 PM

He overspent his opponent 25 to 1 with more than 80% of his funding coming from out of state crony capitalists.. Glad I don’t live there.

Yeah, who’d want to live in a state with a balanced budget, lower taxes, and responsible government? The horror! The horror!

Glad you don’t live here, either. One less vote for Barrett.

englishqueen01 on May 23, 2012 at 8:59 PM

My guess the reason on those numbers is that the public is not fully informed as to how the PUs inability to collectively bargain is the reason the property taxes did not go up nor were there teacher layoffs.

Plus any time you say “rights” or “right” most people knee jerk.

Do you think that Public Unions retaining collective bargaining is worth paying an extra $500 per year each year on your property taxes?

Would get a far different percentage in the poll.

jukin3 on May 23, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Fortunately Walker’s reforms have had major palpable effects that benefit many of the state’s voters even if they don’t fully understand how the reforms work. They see balanced budgets, favorable unemployment rates, budget surpluses, controlled taxes so they favor keeping Walker, but they don’t precisely understand the role of limiting public sector union collective bargaining in the cost control.

Hopefully, Walker will start with a victory in the recall. Over time, people may begin to understand the analysis of why his reforms work, then the poll responses to the other questions may change.

talkingpoints on May 23, 2012 at 9:00 PM

The poll question is biased as it uses the term “right” when it should only say ‘ability to collectively bargain for’.
Most people are in favor of having as many rights as possible regardless of our contradictory or ludicrous an individual right may be.

As a Wisconsinite, I would bet that people not seeing their tax bills go up, their school districts blown up (from layoffs) or any other ‘real’ bad news is why they are comfortable with how things are right now and that translates to job approval. The bad news Democrats are harping on is a John Doe investigation that is a red herring and everyone knows it and the possibility that peoples’ drinking water is suddenly going to become toxic because Republicans aren’t encouraging a radical, omnipotent Department of Natural Resources. Paranoia doesn’t move the needle like actual results and real life tax bills.

Sherwood on May 23, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Poor Upper….what a loser.

CW on May 23, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Well it looks like this Koch brothers funded puppet may succeed in fully buying out the majority of Wisconsinites.

Folks who sit on their hands hoping this puppet will bring jobs to Wisconsin deserve whatever they get.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

lol, drinking the Think Progress/Lee Fang Iced Kool Aid again, I see. You really should read all of the devastating refutations of Fang and his Koch Fixation that the Power Line dudes have been doing over the past year or so.

PS, LBJ climbed into bed with Halliburton in 1936. That was 6 years before “War Criminal” Dick Cheney was even born.

Del Dolemonte on May 23, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Watch for Mittness toput out his position on PSU after the election and it will depend on the WI results.

AH_C on May 23, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Wisconsin poll: Walker 50, Barrett 45

Time to send in some union muscle and break some legs-er-I mean it’s time people were properly educated about the union paradise on earth.

MaiDee on May 23, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Aren’t you the least bit embarrassed at this huge waste of time and money to get rid of a politician that has only done what he promised to do in his campaign? Add to that that the state is doing well and it makes all of this that much more stupid. God knows there will be another regular election before you know it.

Cindy Munford on May 23, 2012 at 8:19 PM

If that’s the case, why did he have to rely on 80% out of state corporate money to win reelection? Don’t u see something wrong with a politician being so overweight outside corporate money?

I bet you if Barett was outspending Walker 25 to 1 with all that money coming from out of state union leaders, you tin foil echo chamber hypocrites would be crying foul.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Well it looks like this Koch brothers funded puppet may succeed in fully buying out the majority of Wisconsinites.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Do you mean David Koch of the Koch brothers, who just did this?

David Koch, one half of controversial Koch brothers, donates $35 million to Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History

The single biggest donation ever.

JPeterman on May 23, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Well it looks like this Koch brothers funded puppet may succeed in fully buying out the majority of Wisconsinites.

Folks who sit on their hands hoping this puppet will bring jobs to Wisconsin deserve whatever they get.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

So far, Walker’s reforms have saved WI $1billion, and he turned a deficit into a surplus. He’s also reduced the unemployment rate. All of this while dealing with idiotic recall nonsense initiated by liberal know-nothing’s like you. Trolling about Walker being some kind of failure is laughable. I hope Soros is is paying you big $$$ for humiliating yourself like this…

joejm65 on May 23, 2012 at 9:20 PM

He overspent his opponent 25 to 1 with more than 80% of his funding coming from out of state crony capitalists.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:15 PM

I guess you must be referring to me, since I sent him some. (Those darn crony capitalist Tea Party wingnuts!)

Burke on May 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Nah. Your $2 is paltry to the $25m or so he raised from his Koch Brothers puppet masters.

Most of the people in WI will sort themselves out regardless of how much money this guy robs from them. That is the American spirit. But to say this idiot is responsible for any of those jobs is laughable.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 9:27 PM

I would bet a lot of Walker’s popularity has something to do with saving the state a cool billion dollars based upon the study coming out. People realize that conservatism is the only way to reign in the lunacy of the statists.

Ta111 on May 23, 2012 at 9:27 PM

So far, Walker’s reforms have saved WI $1billion, and he turned a deficit into a surplus. He’s also reduced the unemployment rate. All of this while dealing with idiotic recall nonsense initiated by liberal know-nothing’s like you. Trolling about Walker being some kind of failure is laughable. I hope Soros is is paying you big $$$ for humiliating yourself like this…

joejm65 on May 23, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Similar to how you all decry Obama for claiming he saved x amount of jobs right? Any bought and paid for politician can balance the budget on the backs of seniors and the middle class. Balancing the budget in a fair and equitable way is the real challenge.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 9:31 PM

I’d been treating this election as a de facto referendum on the collective bargaining law but evidently that’s way too simplistic. The public appears to be lukewarm about it at best but still fairly solidly committed to retaining Walker. Any theories as to why, Wisconsinites?

I’m not a Wisconsinite but I was a Michigander for half a decade which is almost the same thing. The way I see things it breaks down in a few distinct parts.

Walker gets elected along with a whole lot of other Republicans which drove the commies of Madison to despair. They were looking for a trigger point in which to release the thugs.

The reform of collective bargaining became that trigger because it doesn’t threaten the workers rights it threatens the profitability of the union organization. It was overhyped and used for propaganda purposes. Public sector unions went nuts bussed in the thugs to vandalize the statehouse and otherwise try to thwart reform.

When that failed they started down the road for recall even though there is absolutely nothing that Walker or any of the others facing recall did but not be liberal Democrats. In my lifetime this is perhaps the most undemocratic attack on our political system I have seen (and I include Watergate in that estimate). I’m glad it looks as if the unions have failed.

The unions and their backers tried to paint collective bargaining reform as a giant death star over Madison. When the public realized the death star was the size of a golf ball, most of the fight went out of the debate. I think in the end this comes down to a fundamental sense of fairness. Walker shouldn’t have had to face recall in the first place. That the reforms he put in place appear to be working and the Dems never got their act together didn’t hurt either.

Happy Nomad on May 23, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Upper you’re a hypocritical douche. You said nothing when the left was pouring money into Wisconsin. What a joke.

CW on May 23, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Similar to how you all decry Obama for claiming he saved x amount of jobs right? Any bought and paid for politician can balance the budget on the backs of seniors and the middle class. Balancing the budget in a fair and equitable way is the real challenge.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Except Walker didn’t balance the budget “on the backs of seniors and the middle class”. The way he did it is fair and equitable. Unless you think breaking a monopoly is inequitable….

JeffWeimer on May 23, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Nah. Your $2 is paltry to the $25m or so he raised from his Koch Brothers puppet masters.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 9:27 PM

That any of your morons who support Obama would go down this road is laughable. Do you really think your idiot boy is raising funds by nickels sent in by school children and the elderly on a fixed income?

Happy Nomad on May 23, 2012 at 9:36 PM

The unions have spent millions upon millions of their members’ money in an effort to ensure their gravy train would not end. They lost and are losing again. Too bad for the losers.

CW on May 23, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Except Walker didn’t balance the budget “on the backs of seniors and the middle class”. The way he did it is fair and equitable. Unless you think breaking a monopoly is inequitable….

JeffWeimer on May 23, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Shhh let the dishonest puke dig itself deeper. Lies are the best friends of libs with their marching orders.

CW on May 23, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Hopefully, Walker will start with a victory in the recall. Over time, people may begin to understand the analysis of why his reforms work, then the poll responses to the other questions may change.

talkingpoints on May 23, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Remember we need to pass the bill to know what’s in it right? By your analogy, we should rob the middle class dry in the short run and hope that things will get better for them 6 years out. Sweet!

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 9:39 PM

In the same poll, it shows Obama comfortably ahead of Romney 49-43.

gumbyandpokey on May 23, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! What a moron.

Vince on May 23, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Remember we need to pass the bill to know what’s in it right? By your analogy, we should rob the middle class dry in the short run and hope that things will get better for them 6 years out. Sweet!

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 9:39 PM

You’re the expert at the straw man. Wow you’re pathetic.

CW on May 23, 2012 at 9:43 PM

we should rob the middle class dry
Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Your boys already doing it. He’s bleeding us dry of jobs and the value of our dollars.

CW on May 23, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Any theories as to why, Wisconsinites?

Perhaps if you let steveegg handle this, such questions would not need to be asked.

Lanceman on May 23, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Similar to how you all decry Obama for claiming he saved x amount of jobs right? Any bought and paid for politician can balance the budget on the backs of seniors and the middle class. Balancing the budget in a fair and equitable way is the real challenge.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Except Walker didn’t balance the budget “on the backs of seniors and the middle class”. The way he did it is fair and equitable. Unless you think breaking a monopoly is inequitable….

JeffWeimer on May 23, 2012 at 9:35 PM

LIAR
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/wisc-governor-signs-balanced-budget-on-time-without-raising-taxes/

Gov. Walker signed the budget before a crowd of about 100 people in Green Bay, with a few hundred protesters gathered outside chanting “Shame!“ and ”Recall Walker!” reports the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Democrats have criticized the budget as an attack on middle class values since it cuts funding for public schools and tax credits for poor people.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Reason poll of adults has Walker up 50-42.
http://reason.com/blog/2012/05/24/reason-rupe-wisconsin-recall-poll-walker

midgeorgian on May 23, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Two words – Voter Fraud!

News reports from various counties in Wisconsin are describing drop-offs of early voter ballot forms in the hundreds…way off from past year’s norms (during regularly scheduled elections) of early voting forms numbering in the teens and 20′s…

No doubt the Democrats are trolling the graveyard headstones with charcoal pencils in hand rubbing off as many names of the dead as they can find….

No counting chickens before they hatch here, the Dems are still capable of winning this one by hook or by crook.

powerpickle on May 23, 2012 at 9:59 PM

I look at this poll a little differently. First, it says that people are beginning to believe Walker came in with a plan and it looks like the plan is working. Secondly, as far as collective bargaining goes, I believe these opinions are flexible and we’ll know more as contracts come up for renewal and we get to see how the teacher’s unions are treated.

bflat879 on May 23, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 9:47 PM

As incoherent a reply as that was, you obviously don’t go too much further than the talking points fed to you. The part about “not raising taxes’ should be a clue about how it affected the middle class.

Have you heard of the WEA Trust? The “insurance” company wholly owned by the WEA that they managed to force districts into using through “collective bargaining”? The one that, since it was the only approved provider, could charge what it wanted and the taxpayers (read: middle class) had to pay? The one that remarkably lowered it’s rates once Walker’s reforms went into effect in at least one district – saving teacher’s (read: middle class) jobs?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577170740792232880.html

Here’s a taste:

Some of the most significant results have come in local school districts, where school boards and governments have been able to use the public-union reforms to reduce budget shortfalls. In districts like Wauwatosa, Racine, LaCrosse and Eau Claire, the changes in health and pension contributions prevented layoffs that were expected to be widespread and in some cases allowed the boards not to fire a single teacher.

There are a few unfortunate counter examples. In three of the largest school districts—Milwaukee, Kenosha and Janesville—schools had locked themselves into long-term agreements with unions that predated Mr. Walker’s reforms. Unable to take advantage of the changes, Milwaukee and Kenosha, which serve more than 100,000 students altogether, saw layoffs of more than 800 teaching positions for the 2011-2012 school year.

Emphasis mine. Who cares about middle class values and funding for public schools? Apparently not you, you would rather see those jobs disappear than let that corrupt scheme go away.

We see right through you, and so do the voters of Wisconsin.

JeffWeimer on May 23, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Poor upper.

CW on May 23, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Here’s another anecdote about the WEA Trust, from a week ago:

http://themonroetimes.com/Main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=22&ArticleID=30057

The Monroe school board approved Unity Insurance point of service and Delta Dental plans Monday night.

Monroe Business Manager Ron Olson said the Unity plan will save the district a little more than $800,000 in premiums compared to the current Wisconsin Education Association Insurance Trust. The total costs to maintain the WEA plan would be 18.3 percent. The district was targeting a 5-percent increase; Olson said the deal with Unity is a 3.2 percent increase.

Olson said the savings will help the board meet and exceed its current budgeted objective.

The Unity POS plan is associated with the UW Health Care System, but Monroe Clinic, Mercy System and Beloit Hospital System would also be included as providers.

The Delta Dental plan also includes a vision coverage that employees can pick up. Olson said the Delta Dental plan is a 5.8 percent reduction in dental insurance compared to this year and will save the district $21,475.

If they didn’t have that flexibility, uppereastside, where would they find the money? Would they have to raise taxes on the middle class, or remove a few middle class teacher’s jobs?

JeffWeimer on May 23, 2012 at 10:20 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/23/breaking-poll-walker-up-8-in-wi-50-42

BREAKING POLL: WALKER UP 8 IN WI, 50-42

Oh noes.

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CW on May 23, 2012 at 10:33 PM

JeffWeimer on May 23, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Hahahahaha. You quote the newspaper that bought Scottie as evidence his tax the middle class to death while exempting the rich fwho funded is campaign policies is working? Wasn’t this the same paper that wrote how Scottie just happened to have created 23k jobs last week? Lolol

You are more foolish that I thought. Next you will be quoting Rush Limpballs. Very funny.

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 10:49 PM

This fight started with the unions due to Scott Walker adding one thing to the budget reforms. WI would no longer collect union dues and pay them to the union.
The union was itching for a fight prior to Scott Walker prior to him Taking office. The head of the state Workers Union Marty Biel stated “Scott Walker wants a war we will give him a war.”
That was in Dec 2010.
Then the Democrats called a special session in December 2010 to get the Union contract ratified. They were working w/o a contract because they refused to give Doyle any concessions. They even dragged a state legislator out of jail (the democrats refused to allow a guy that had 3 DWI be kicked out of office because he voted with them) to vote for these contracts. That when the Senate head Decker screwed the D after he lost election in fall 2010 and refused to ratify the contract. In the middle of the fight in Madison last winter the Unions agreed they would contribute towards Insurance and pensions as long as forced dues were taken out of paychecks. They threw Public employees under the bus so long as they can hang onto power.

So now we set in perpetual election mode because the unionistas lost power. The same unions seeing power slipping away and terrified the rest of the country may copy Scott Walker have turned the state upside down for 10% that belong to Public Employee Unions.

Gracelynn on May 23, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Walker 2016

roy_batty on May 24, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Greetings from Northwestern Wisconsin, where that moron Bob Jauch is our elected state senator. I have not only hope, but confidence that our Governor will be reelected two years early. I think I speak for the majority of Wisconsinites when I say that enough is enough. It’s time for this foolishness to end and I for one cannot wait to go to the polls to vote for Governor Walker for the 4th time in less than two years. I have had enough of the unions and their spoiled sport whining. Elections have consequences, as we on the right have learned with BHO. I cannot wait to see my leftist friends have to eat crow when WE THE PEOPLE end this foolishness on June 5th.

brotherdok on May 24, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Greetings from Central Wisconsin, brotherdok!

The desperation of the dems and their union lackeys is really showing. I saw an ad tonight where they are now trying the old “war on women” trick against Gov. Walker(because it worked so well on Romney, don’t cha know). Anyone else see that?

Gov. Walker needs to come back quickly and strong on this one, the way he usually does, with the truth!

I tell you, the dems will lower themselves to the deepest pits of hell to get what they want. We can’t let them.

Sterling Holobyte on May 24, 2012 at 1:25 AM

I wonder what the outcome would be if you just rephrased the questions. For instance, “Should taxpayers have the right to at least have a representative present at the bargaining table?”.

stout77 on May 23, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Bingo. You just illustrated one of the ways pollsters use to skew a poll. They craft the questions to get the result they are paid to get.

There are entire books written on the subject.

People lie to pollsters and pollsters poll people who have little information and people who are ignorant of the issues.

dogsoldier on May 24, 2012 at 6:30 AM

Similar to how you all decry Obama for claiming he saved x amount of jobs right? Any bought and paid for politician can balance the budget on the backs of seniors and the middle class. Balancing the budget in a fair and equitable way is the real challenge.Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 9:31 PM

There is not a Democrat in this country that has any right to talk about budgets. Including you !
The leadership of the party has clearly demonsrtated that :
1) They do not believe they need one. And
2) They cannot put one together when they tried to.

Walker was able to articulate a bottom line for his state. That took a discipline no Democrat understands.

Jabberwock on May 24, 2012 at 6:31 AM

Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Yes, that would be the Wall Street Journal. I also quoted and linked a local paper from Monroe Wisconsin that supports what the WSJ says. If those reforms hadn’t happened, either property taxes would have to be raised – on the backs of primarily the middle class, or jobs would have to have been eliminated, as in Milwaukee – middle class jobs all. But you like monopolies, so screw ‘em.

JeffWeimer on May 24, 2012 at 6:37 AM

As a Wisconsonite, I can tell you the “collective bargaining” poll questions can go all over the place depending how the question is asked.

Most people don’t understand the issue. If you explain that unions elect the very people who they “negotiate” with and that gov’t workers are already overpaid and overprotected from “exploitation” (by the taxpayers!), support drops to ~10%. It’s only when it’s framed as a “rights” issue without any context that you see a lot of support.

TallDave on May 24, 2012 at 6:53 AM

http://www.publicschoolspending.com/spending-analyses/wea-trust-report

The report above describes how WEA Trust operates. It’s shocking that the relationship between the union & the insurance company is even legal.

I spent a few hours on the phone yesterday – people were FOR Walker. Only 1 woman was against him – she was crabby and had a Madison area code. One other caller got a guy who claimed Walker cost jobs, but he refused to say what jobs and after repeating the union line a few times, hung up.

The URL for recallwalker was set up before the election. This wasn’t in response to Act 10 – it was a premeditated temper tantrum.

Daisy_WI on May 24, 2012 at 7:39 AM

BTW, Bobby Jindal will be in Wisconsin with Walker today.

Daisy_WI on May 24, 2012 at 7:40 AM

Greetings from Central Wisconsin, brotherdok!

The desperation of the dems and their union lackeys is really showing. I saw an ad tonight where they are now trying the old “war on women” trick against Gov. Walker(because it worked so well on Romney, don’t cha know). Anyone else see that?

Gov. Walker needs to come back quickly and strong on this one, the way he usually does, with the truth!

I tell you, the dems will lower themselves to the deepest pits of hell to get what they want. We can’t let them.

Sterling Holobyte on May 24, 2012 at 1:25 AM

I have noticed an increase of rants about the Koch Bros again. I wish they would realize how stupid they sound with this mantra. I like Walkers ads that show the publication, and date it was printed. Facts that are hard to dispute. They are just throwing anything out there hoping it will stick to the wall.

The facts are, they (PEU’S) have had enough. We have over paid for decades, we can’t afford it anymore. They have to accept it and move forward…. Geeze I love that tag. Forward!

wi farmgirl on May 24, 2012 at 7:54 AM

Personally I think one the best things Walker has (un) done is the spiking of pensions and overtime in the prisons. It is also rampant in city & county governments too. It costs so much in overtime, but the pensions are spiked sometimes where they actually can make more in retirement than they did when they were actually working. What is right about this? How can they “justify” this practice. I call that cheating.

wi farmgirl on May 24, 2012 at 7:59 AM

Most people don’t understand the issue. If you explain that unions elect the very people who they “negotiate” with and that gov’t workers are already overpaid and overprotected from “exploitation” (by the taxpayers!), support drops to ~10%. It’s only when it’s framed as a “rights” issue without any context that you see a lot of support.

TallDave on May 24, 2012 at 6:53 AM

Yes, it’s the same with school boards. For years I have watched them (where I live) elect retired teachers and administrators in the district, which would in turn never vote for cuts of benefits, just for cuts of programs. Then they would lay off teachers to meet the budget if their current “referendum” would get shot down by the town. Of course this would would always be in the context of how evil it was to have to lay off teachers because we wouldn’t raise taxes more to cover it. Never would they consider going for more affordable benefits. Same with city government, it was always Dems elected to sit across the table to bargain for the increases in benefits. Look at where this has gotten us. States are going broke and someone has to be the adult and manage the checkbook now.

wi farmgirl on May 24, 2012 at 8:15 AM

The report above describes how WEA Trust operates. It’s shocking that the relationship between the union & the insurance company is even legal.

Daisy_WI on May 24, 2012 at 7:39 AM

Daisy, I worked with medical insurance claims for years…It makes me think that it could be a anti-trust violation. I don’t even know if it could be a violation of such, but it would be something they should investigate thoroughly. I know if Physicians did anything close to how this deal was set up they would be in prison, why are unions treated so differently. And why the heck aren’t they paying taxes.

wi farmgirl on May 24, 2012 at 8:20 AM

Well it looks like this Koch brothers Soros funded puppet may succeed in fully buying out the majority of Wisconsinites wrecking America.
Folks who sit on their hands hoping this puppet, Obama, will bring jobs to Wisconsin our country deserve whatever they get.
Uppereastside on May 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

See how easy it is to go from depraved Liberalism to enlightened conservatism.

Gladtobehere on May 24, 2012 at 8:56 AM