Palin endorses Hatch in Utah

posted at 8:41 am on May 23, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

And a hew and cry arose from Twitter.  Dispensing with Tea Party challenger Dan Liljenquist and calling Orrin Hatch “Mr. Balanced Budget,” Sarah Palin endorsed the incumbent Senator from Utah on Greta van Susteren last night:

Palin also made a lengthier argument for Hatch on her SarahPAC site early this morning:

Orrin Hatch is part of the one percent. No, not that one percent you’ve heard about. He’s part of the one percent of national politicians who I think should be reelected. Orrin Hatch is a life-long conservative whose dedication and devotion to the conservative cause and to his beloved and beautiful state of Utah is well documented. Orrin was a Utah state campaign chairman for a fledgling and failing presidential candidate deemed “too conservative” and “unelectable” by the media. Ironically, that candidate was the man who restored our country to be a “shining city on a hill” – Ronald Reagan.

When asked about Orrin Hatch, President Reagan once said: “If every member of the Senate were like Orrin Hatch, we’d be arguing over how to deal with a federal surplus, and that’s why I like to think of Orrin as ‘Mr. Balanced Budget.’ The United States has been strong enough to deter aggression and maintain the peace, in no small degree due to the efforts of Orrin Hatch. He has been a champion of those who fight for freedom.”

As President Reagan said, Orrin is “Mr. Balanced Budget.” Long before the issue of debt was on the forefront of Americans’ minds, Orrin Hatch knew our government would face insolvency if we did not get our budget under control. He sponsored or co-sponsored a Balanced Budget Amendment 17 times, and he voted in favor of a Balanced Budget Amendment at least 9 other times. We know he will use his seniority and influence to dissuade politicians from continuing to raise the debt ceiling without any plan to balance the budget and end these dangerously unsustainable deficits.

Orrin Hatch voted against Obamacare and has pledged to repeal it. While we’re on the topic of Obamacare, which is currently before the Supreme Court, keep in mind that the Supreme Court would not look the way it does today if it were not for Orrin Hatch fighting for conservative nominees on the bench – from Clarence Thomas to John Roberts and Samuel Alito. Unlike other Republican Senators who are up for reelection this year, Orrin voted against both of President Obama’s nominees, Kagan and Sotomayor. And unlike some others, Orrin has gone out of his way to embrace the Tea Party movement.

Frankly, I’ve never understood all of the effort being put into the dump-Hatch effort.  Hatch may not be a perfect conservative, but he’s hardly the biggest problem in the Republican caucus, either.  Opposition to Richard Lugar and Bob Bennett made more sense, but Hatch has been a pretty consistent and reliable vote in the Senate for conservatives, despite occasional embarrassments like his obsession with the BCS.  Frankly, I would have preferred to see this effort aimed at a Democratic incumbent — say, for instance, Amy Klobuchar from my state of Minnesota.

Others feel differently, of course, like my dear friend and Boss Emeritus, Michelle Malkin:

Instead of staying out of the race, Palin has proactively sided with the ridiculous Beltway barnacle Orrin Hatch, who now poses as a Tea Party godfather while launching bitter diatribes against the fiscal conservative members of Freedomworks.

Palin has lent her invaluable support to many upstart candidates seeking to disrupt the old GOP boys’ network. I have the utmost respect for her. But on this inexplicable Hatch endorsement, we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

And Utah conservatives sick and tired of the same old, same old will just have to work harder.

Michelle has plenty more, so be sure to read it all.  As for “inexplicable,” I’d have to disagree there as well.  Palin explains it pretty well in her endorsement piece, but the unspoken subtext is that Palin isn’t going to back someone who will get crushed in a general election.  Bennett lost his seat because Mike Lee and the Tea Party out-organized him in the caucuses (which Ron Paul supporters did in this cycle in several states, including Minnesota).  Had Bennett survived to a primary, Lee might very well have lost the nomination, and not by a small amount of votes.  Hatch almost won the nomination outright at the caucuses over Liljenquist, and in a primary will coast to victory.  Liljenquist is a long shot at best in a straight-up primary against Hatch.

I’ll follow Palin’s example and paraphrase Reagan: We shouldn’t consider someone who votes with us 70% of the time our 30% enemy.  Hatch has a lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union of 89.77, and a lifetime rating from the Club for Growth of 78%, better than Richard Shelby (AL, 77%), Jerry Moran (KS, 74%), Lamar Alexander (TN, 70%), and the two Senators from Maine, both of whom are in the 30s, among several others who score below Hatch.  I’m sure Liljenquist would be a fine conservative in Congress, but our efforts shouldn’t be focused on getting rid of the guy with a 90% ACU rating. Palin made the right call.


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idesign on May 23, 2012 at 1:21 PM

I’ve praised Palin many times. I’ve done it a few times in this thread, actually.
Have you ever found fault with ANY of her actions?
I don’t think you have.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 23, 2012 at 1:30 PM

She didn’t run…:)

idesign on May 23, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Cindy Munford on May 23, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Come on Cindy. You know its sarcasm.

Bradky on May 23, 2012 at 1:32 PM

if Castle and Lowden been elected it would be 51-49 and maybe there would have been a little less aisle crossing with Republicans voting with the Democrats if the Republican hand were a little stronger.

crosspatch on May 23, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Really? You think if Castle had been elected there’d be LESS aisle crossing? If anything that jackass would give the other mushy Republicans cover to vote for left-wing legislation and judges.

updog on May 23, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Sarah Palin is not Jesus Christ.

Dr Evil on May 23, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Who is?

idesign on May 23, 2012 at 1:11 PM

I love all the people who are saying on here “Oh, Palin made one bad pick. She’s dead to me.”

And Christ said, “Away from me, for I never knew you.”

I trust Palin’s judgment on this pick, just like I trust her pick on Texas, Nebraska (where the right choice was made, unlike what the nazi bootlicker commenters on this thread are jabberjawing), and others.

She’s a force to be reckoned with, and anyone who tries to dismiss her does so at their own peril.

UODuckMan on May 23, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Apparently UODuckMan believes Sarah Palin is same as Jesus Christ.

Dr Evil on May 23, 2012 at 1:40 PM

if Castle and Lowden been elected it would be 51-49 and maybe there would have been a little less aisle crossing with Republicans voting with the Democrats if the Republican hand were a little stronger.

crosspatch on May 23, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Now here folks is some really well thought out reasoning.

See, it’s all about the numbers! Our side has 51!! So
we win all debates, and votes on every piece of Legislation,
see??

The Reality: Sue Lowden made Odonnell look like a Rhodes Scholar,
and Castle was the biggest piece of Excrement in DE. I live in SE
PA, and we’ve seen lots of action from DE, all of it bad. The
state has become a Sh*thole, and Castle is one of the reasons why.

BUT SARAH BLEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But keep clinging to your blankeys…

ToddPA on May 23, 2012 at 1:44 PM

If anything that jackass would give the other mushy Republicans cover to vote for left-wing legislation and judges.

updog on May 23, 2012 at 1:33 PM

More aisle crossing happens from the minority to the majority party. If you look at times when the Republicans were the majority, you see a lot of Dems crossing over. When the Dems are the majority, the Republicans cross over.

The reason for this is pretty simple. If a Republican is in the minority and wants to get legislation he sponsors passed, he is going to have to cross over and vote for a Democrat’s bill in order to get Democrats to vote for his. Also, a crossover vote can sometimes influence a bill by saying “I will support your bill if you remove this” or “I will support your bill if you add this amendment”. This is particularly true with higher ranking members with committee seats. They might agree to support a bill by the other party in exchange for his own bill being supported or in exchange for modifying the bill more to his party’s liking.

The number of crossover votes is pretty much inversely proportional to the strength of your party in the chamber of Congress. If you have a strong majority, few of your party will cross and vote with the opposition and the opposite is true when they have a strong majority.

By cutting the Democrat majority from 3 seats to 1, it makes a huge difference and might result in completely different outcomes. Look at legislation that has passed by two or three votes or passed by one vote with crossovers.

But still Castle would not vote with the Democrats every single time. The current Senator from Delaware WILL vote with the Democrats every single time. Like I said, I will take 60 to 70 percent over nothing any day.

Ace had a graphic up in the past couple of weeks that shows this. When Republicans are the majority, Democrats cross over. When the Democrats are the majority Republicans cross over and the larger the majority, the more crossing over.

Reducing the Democrat majority by two seats means two fewer Democrats needed to pass legislation supported by Republicans and two fewer Democrats needed to support cloture.

crosspatch on May 23, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Apparently UODuckMan believes Sarah Palin is same as Jesus Christ.

Dr Evil on May 23, 2012 at 1:40 PM

I think he was trying to say was that for years the same people have been saying Palin lost me on that one, but most of those people were never Palin supporters to begin with. I understand what he was trying to say, and it wasn’t to compare Palin to Christ. He just used it as a reference point. If you want to say he believes Palin is Christ, go ahead, but sorry I just don’t see it..:)

idesign on May 23, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Radical libertarians…a small influential radical group, he was definitive, and a bunch of you are running around “the sky is falling, the sky is falling”, he makes it quite clear, a small radical group from the libertarian and John Birch want to take over the Republican party…now you may be part of a radical John Bircher group, so that is good news to you, but not to the majority of us.
Anyone who continues that line that he is bashing libertarians as a whole has other issues addressed by crosspatch at 1:18…

right2bright on May 23, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Your spin twists not only reality, but Hatch’s words themselves, into a pretzel.

He was deliberately mischaracterizing the people who dared to primary him (namely Freedomworks who funded the grassroots effort) in effort to deligitmize Lilhenquist’s support; any intelligent or remotely honest person knew what he was doing.

Too bad he won’t debate so he can further explain his comments. Scratch that, he’s actually hurting himself by hiding so hide away.

I don’t put Hatch in the same league as Lugar, The Maine Twins or Graham, but I want a young, hungry tea party reformer from our reddest states.

Daemonocracy on May 23, 2012 at 1:54 PM

The Reality: Sue Lowden made Odonnell look like a Rhodes Scholar,

Really? I found it exactly the opposite.

I saw Lowden head and shoulders over Angle who seemed to be to be something of a bumpkin but a tea party sweetheart.

I saw O’Donnell as a complete ditz from day one.

Lowden was polling ahead of Reid, Angle was polling behind. This was a case where the Republicans decided to ditch a winning “establishment” candidate for a losing “more conservative” candidate and got 100% of nothing instead of some percent of something. Same thing happened in Delaware. Castle was a pretty popular Governor of Delaware. Those two seats would have made a huge difference.

crosspatch on May 23, 2012 at 1:54 PM

But keep clinging to your blankeys…

ToddPA on May 23, 2012 at 1:44 PM

LOL!! For disagreeing with you? Okay.

Cindy Munford on May 23, 2012 at 1:57 PM

if Castle and Lowden been elected it would be 51-49 and maybe there would have been a little less aisle crossing with Republicans voting with the Democrats if the Republican hand were a little stronger.

crosspatch on May 23, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Now here folks is some really well thought out reasoning.

See, it’s all about the numbers! Our side has 51!! So
we win all debates, and votes on every piece of Legislation,
see??

The Reality: Sue Lowden made Odonnell look like a Rhodes Scholar,
and Castle was the biggest piece of Excrement in DE. I live in SE
PA, and we’ve seen lots of action from DE, all of it bad. The
state has become a Sh*thole, and Castle is one of the reasons why.

BUT SARAH BLEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But keep clinging to your blankeys…

ToddPA on May 23, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Palin support them AFTER the primary and doing what all good soldiers do – support the R in the general?

Please do explain what Palin could have done to convince the Coon voters to either not vote or vote R. Maybe you should be taking your rage out on Rove, as he was the one who excoriated COD on Fox after she won the primary and gave the Ds their talking points.

Or are you saying that Palin should have endorsed someone in the primary? It’s really hard to tell what you are screaming about.

Sometimes it’s like a room full of schizophrenics in here. Palin’s irrelevant. No, wait, she is Jesus. No, not quite but she’s responsible for this, this and that. Nope, she’s a chillbilly. But it is her fault that my candidate didn’t get out of the primary. Her fault that the D won. But she’s irrelevant. Stupid. Jesus. All her fault.

kim roy on May 23, 2012 at 2:17 PM

crosspatch – well, maybe.

Knocking off Reid would have been important for reasons beyond just seat-counting and yes, I think Lowden might have been a better candidate.

On Castle, though, I remain unconvinced. No, I’d never argue that O’Donnell was a good candidate, but I have to think Castle would have been a bigger ongoing problem than the Maine sisters.

Palin’s position on Hatch is entirely reasonable. Okay, he’s been there too long, and he’s made a few of the wrong friends. But his record is solid and there are other more important battles to fight.

JEM on May 23, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Same thing happened in Delaware. Castle was a pretty popular Governor of Delaware. Those two seats would have made a huge difference.

crosspatch on May 23, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Yes, he was….25 years ago…..as the state moved Left,
so did he…..when you see Mike Castle, think Lincoln
Chaffee..EXACT SAME MOLD.

RE Nevada, if you think Reid was going to let that seat be taken
from him, think again. The best candidate was Danny Tarkanian,
who lost on the 3 way with Angle and Lowden.

ToddPA on May 23, 2012 at 2:27 PM

I read everything Sarah posted regarding Senator Hatch. Therefore I agree with her endorsement and agree with Ed’s reasoning and affirmation.

I’ll now start reading the comments:-) Hope I have enough time before duty calls, LOL

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 2:35 PM

I saw Lowden head and shoulders over Angle who seemed to be to be something of a bumpkin but a tea party sweetheart.

crosspatch on May 23, 2012 at 1:54 PM

#1 Palin didn’t endorse Angle in the primary. In the general Romney was a HUGE supporter of Angle.

#2 Without the tea party in 2010 we would not even have been close to 50 in the senate or a majority in the house . The republican party was not the reason for 2010. The tea party was the reason for 2010.

#3 Castle was far from a sure thing in the general.

Whatever small mistakes that the “true cons” made in 2010 was exponentially offset by its successes.

Revising history isn’t just for socialists anymore.

BoxHead1 on May 23, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Awww. Yet here you are.

katy the mean old lady on May 23, 2012 at 12:01 PM

So what’s your point? Only popular pro-Sarah opinions allowed here?
I understand it’s important to you that your anonymous username is popular among your anonymous make-believe friends. Are you an old lady or still in Jr high?

Buttercup on May 23, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Actually, I’d love to see lifers go, but if he’s up for an important chair(not mentioned in this post), that could be a factor.

Dongemaharu on May 23, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Yes he is and there are many on both sides of the aisle that would love Sen. Hatch to be defeated:-)

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 2:54 PM

I knew I’d get an idiot to pop out at my comments. Dr. Evil, just so happens, is that idiot.

idesign is 100% correct.

UODuckMan on May 23, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Actually, Levin’s support for Hatch carries more weight with me. I have listened to Levin explain in detail why Hatch is needed in the Senate for this election cycle. He has addressed this often over the past few months. I am one of the folks who does believe that Palin is trying to build a coalition of people in Congress that are serious about reigning in the government.

The Sarah haters don’t understand that she is a pragmatist.

karenhasfreedom on May 23, 2012 at 2:54 PM

I am one of the folks who does believe that Palin is trying to build a coalition of people in Congress that are serious about reigning in the government.

The Sarah haters don’t understand that she is a pragmatist.

karenhasfreedom on May 23, 2012 at 2:54 PM

i understand she is a friggin news commentator, or a reality show star or somesuch. as a politician she was a populist w/ re-distributionist tendencies (gas prices are high? well lets give everyone a $1000 in state money)but you keep grasping at those “coalition” straws!!

chasdal on May 23, 2012 at 3:01 PM

So it is with politicians with long records…you highlight their weaknesses, and not their strengths. Orin strengths is that he is a leader, integrity, intelligent, and has a strong conservative record.

right2bright on May 23, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Good points. At this time it’s more valuable to us as a Country to have the Experience that Sen. Hatch has. We have to have leaders and he’ll be able to help those new Senators coming in.

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 3:04 PM

So what’s your point? Only popular pro-Sarah opinions allowed here?
I understand it’s important to you that your anonymous username is popular among your anonymous make-believe friends. Are you an old lady or still in Jr high?

Buttercup on May 23, 2012 at 2:51 PM

I find it hilarious that PDS’rs leap like trout at her every move. Names? Are you really a common weed or just a fool?

katy the mean old lady on May 23, 2012 at 3:08 PM

right2bright on May 23, 2012 at 9:18 AM

That is very important. I’ve seen Sen. Hatch go toe to toe with Leahy about nominations of Judges. He is good:-)

Speaking of the Supreme Court. Just a suggestion that all that pray, we really need to be doing that as they consider the Obamacare law.

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Wow!..Nice food fight over an endorsement!..:)

Dire Straits on May 23, 2012 at 3:14 PM

This woman could come up with a cure for Cancer tomorrow,
and the posts by the Palin dog whistle jackazzes would be
SHE’S A SHAMELESS OPPORTUNIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CARRY ON.

ToddPA on May 23, 2012 at 9:30 AM

I know what you mean. The impression I’m getting is many aren’t really concerned about Senator Hatch but more about using him as an excuse to rant against Sarah Palin.

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Wow!..Nice food fight over an endorsement!..:)

Dire Straits on May 23, 2012 at 3:14 PM

; )

Bmore on May 23, 2012 at 3:24 PM

I find it hilarious that PDS’rs leap like trout at her every move. Names? Are you really a common weed or just a fool?

katy the mean old lady on May 23, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Right so if we don’t agree and bobble our heads with every thing Sarah says and does we have PDS. Right. Good thing you found someone to do all your thinking for you.
To quote NC Student Hunter Rogers “I’ve been taught all my life that nobody can take your opinion.”
Instead of just insulting disent you can learn something from that kid Katy.

Buttercup on May 23, 2012 at 3:38 PM

LMFAO

MadisonConservative on May 23, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Same here, LOL I suppose bluegill’s next comment will be that she is a great supporter of Palin too:-)

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Sarah Be Thy Name has educated us once again.

I still think there should be term limits though. Three 6 yr. tours in DC is enough.

FlaMurph on May 23, 2012 at 3:43 PM

http://www.finance.senate.gov/about/

Ranking Member – Orrin G. Hatch

“The role of the Senate Committee on Finance is very similar to that of the House Committee on Ways and Means. The one exception in area of jurisdiction is that the Committee on Finance has jurisdiction over both Medicare and Medicaid, while the House Ways and Means Committee only has jurisdiction over Medicare.”

“Due to the Committee’s wide jurisdiction, it is often considered an influential committee. A wide array of Senators with differing policy concerns seek membership on the Committee because of its role in setting tax, trade, and health policy.”

Viator on May 23, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Thanks for posting this info. So Sen. Hatch, if we take the Senate would be the Chair. Quite a powerful position.

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Wow!..Nice food fight over an endorsement!..:)

Dire Straits on May 23, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Hey Dire! Sarah Palin is allowed to have an opinion as long as she doesn’t make that public. But to actually endorse someone, oh well, that’s treason!! ROFL

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 4:09 PM

GuitarMark on May 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM

GM,

No, Palin did not sell out. This is who she has always been. She is, and always has been, part of the establishment.

Dante on May 23, 2012 at 11:13 AM

What is your definition of the “establishment”

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Hey Dire! Sarah Palin is allowed to have an opinion as long as she doesn’t make that public. But to actually endorse someone, oh well, that’s treason!! ROFL

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Unless it is the one she HASN’T endorsed yet. That is what is really bothering them.

katy the mean old lady on May 23, 2012 at 4:20 PM

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 4:09 PM

I agree everyone is allowed to endorse a candidate!!..:)

Dire Straits on May 23, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Unless it is the one she HASN’T endorsed yet. That is what is really bothering them.

katy the mean old lady on May 23, 2012 at 4:20 PM

A very real possibility. Of course, her waiting this long says far more about her real opinion of the Big Rino than her eventual endorsement ever will. Assuming she does endorse him.

Buckshot Bill on May 23, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Anyway, does anyone know if Palin has endorsed someone for the MO Senate yet?

Buckshot Bill on May 23, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I haven’t heard yet. However, there will be a Republican Senate debate in MO this Friday. Details here: http://search.journalbroadcastgroup.com/ksgf.aspx?k=Republican+Senate+Debate

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 4:41 PM

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Unless it is the one she HASN’T endorsed yet. That is what is really bothering them.

katy the mean old lady on May 23, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Right. As long as she endorses “their” choice, it’s all cool.

Then we have to contend with the Palin rants. They wouldn’t care who she endorsed; they just don’t like her!! LOL

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 4:44 PM

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 4:09 PM

I agree everyone is allowed to endorse a candidate!!..:)

Dire Straits on May 23, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Sarah will be pleased:-)

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 4:45 PM

I agree everyone is allowed to endorse a candidate!!..:)

Dire Straits on May 23, 2012 at 4:21 PM

No Way./

Bmore on May 23, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Palin thinks she can afford to take some dings to her reputation as a favor to John McCain? I don’t doubt that is the way Orin Hatch, got this endorsement in the first place. Someone who know’s Palin, asked for a favor.

Dr Evil on May 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM

I replied to you on the Headline thread and will repeat it here:

I would never have guessed that you would say something like this.

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 12:55 PM

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 4:53 PM

I find it hilarious that PDS’rs leap like trout at her every move. Names? Are you really a common weed or just a fool?

katy the mean old lady on May 23, 2012 at 3:08 PM

katy did you even read Ed’s post? It has to do with varying opinions regarding Sarah’s endorsement as does this forum.
Why don’t you tweet Michele Malkin who dared to disagree with SP and tell her all about her PDS. I’m sure she’d be interested in your diagnosis.

Buttercup on May 23, 2012 at 4:54 PM

When you see a bunch of people jumping on board some effort to ditch a sitting Republican, just keep in mind that half of those people might well be Democrats pretending to be “conservatives”.

crosspatch on May 23, 2012 at 1:18 PM

So true. That is how posters with an agenda work. We need to consider what you’ve said. After all to win any battle or war, you better know who your enemy is.

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 4:59 PM

I’d trust Palin immeasurably over what a bunch of armchair quarterbacks beating away on their keyboards have to say.

Just simply amazing.

kim roy on May 23, 2012 at 1:23 PM

I’m sure Sarah Palin knows more about what she is doing than I do.
Or anyone else for that matter:-)

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 5:04 PM

When you see a bunch of people jumping on board some effort to ditch a sitting Republican, just keep in mind that half of those people might well be Democrats pretending to be “conservatives”.

crosspatch on May 23, 2012 at 1:18 PM

So true. That is how posters with an agenda work. We need to consider what you’ve said. After all to win any battle or war, you better know who your enemy is.
bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 4:59 PM

You should name names. Who do you think the stealth dems are?

BoxHead1 on May 23, 2012 at 5:06 PM

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 4:59 PM

You should name names. Who do you think the stealth dems are?

BoxHead1 on May 23, 2012 at 5:06 PM

They already know who they are. It’s just that others need to be aware that this type of activity exists:-)

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Sometimes it’s like a room full of schizophrenics in here. Palin’s irrelevant. No, wait, she is Jesus. No, not quite but she’s responsible for this, this and that. Nope, she’s a chillbilly. But it is her fault that my candidate didn’t get out of the primary. Her fault that the D won. But she’s irrelevant. Stupid. Jesus. All her fault.

kim roy on May 23, 2012 at 2:17 PM

ROFL. Great description of any thread that Palin’s name is mentioned. Were you around here way before she made a decision not to run? Almost every thread, no matter the topic was like this or worse:-)

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 5:19 PM

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 4:59 PM

You should name names. Who do you think the stealth dems are?

BoxHead1 on May 23, 2012 at 5:06 PM

They already know who they are. It’s just that others need to be aware that this type of activity exists:-)

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 5:14 PM

I’ve heard it both ways. Some say that the more strident fans of moderation(?) are really stealth dems…

I don’t believe stealth dems are on this site. I do think low level republican(ish) operatives are on this site.

BoxHead1 on May 23, 2012 at 5:25 PM

A lot of soaked mattresses out there today…

tom daschle concerned on May 23, 2012 at 5:36 PM

BoxHead1 on May 23, 2012 at 2:47 PM

I don’t know about Castle, but agree with everything else you said.

Without the Tea Party and Sarah Palin, the ungrateful Establishment Republicans would still be in the wilderness.
When you have them and the Dems against the TP and Sarah Palin and Conservatives, it’s surprising 2010 turned out as it did. Quite an opposition to overcome!!

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 5:41 PM

I don’t believe stealth dems are on this site. I do think low level republican(ish) operatives are on this site.

BoxHead1 on May 23, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Than you are naive…every once in awhile (Cheney seems to bring them out), one will raise their ugly head and take a “drive-by”…

This is one of the most popular conservative websites in market…you don’t think that the dems don’t want to have their nose in the tent??

right2bright on May 23, 2012 at 5:43 PM

I am one of the folks who does believe that Palin is trying to build a coalition of people in Congress that are serious about reigning in the government.

The Sarah haters don’t understand that she is a pragmatist.

karenhasfreedom on May 23, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Exactly, a somewhat libertarian conservative pragmatist. Who, more than anything else, detests clientism and cronyism.

A few more cycles and there are going to be quite a number of congresspeople who were helped considerably by Gov. Sarah Palin (and let’s not forget Todd). Then are are going to be some who would never have gotten where they are without her support. She probably has been the greatest single influence in the rapidly increasing number of conservative women in congress.

Viator on May 23, 2012 at 5:49 PM

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 5:14 PM

I’ve heard it both ways. Some say that the more strident fans of moderation(?) are really stealth dems…

I don’t believe stealth dems are on this site. I do think low level republican(ish) operatives are on this site.

BoxHead1 on May 23, 2012 at 5:25 PM

That may be. However, many of these hateful comments toward Sarah Palin, you don’t find even on some of the Democratic blogs/forums.
You do find them on the far left sites as moveon, etc. That is usually what I compare them to. Also a lot of the new posters reveal a lot about themselves too:-)

A difference of opinion is one thing with some content, but just pure hate is easily recognized. The latter are the ones I’m referring to.

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 5:53 PM

A lot of soaked mattresses out there today…

tom daschle concerned on May 23, 2012 at 5:36 PM

There is a business opportunity somewhere with that. ; )

Bmore on May 23, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Sarah Palin Radio with guest Senator Orrin Hatch

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sarahpalinradio

idesign on May 23, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Sarah Palin Radio with guest Senator Orrin Hatch

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sarahpalinradio

idesign on May 23, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Thanks. I’m listening to Mark Levin playing Orin Hatch’s comments from the Judge Thomas hearings. Really good!!!!

I’ll try to catch Palin/Hatch later if there is a repeat.

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Mitt endorsed Hatch? That does it. He’s jumped the shark on this one. I used to be a Mitt supporter but he lost me on this one. So much for his so called conservative sensibilities. This will simply hasten his irrelevancy…

I think I got most of the fake concern talking points. Maybe I shoulda numbered them.

Dongemaharu on May 23, 2012 at 6:25 PM

God love her, but she’s lost her freakin’ mind.

Mr. Grump on May 23, 2012 at 8:23 PM

God love her, but she’s I’ve lost her freakin’ mind.

Mr. Grump on May 23, 2012 at 8:23 PM

fify

idesign on May 23, 2012 at 8:33 PM

The Mittbots posturing as tea party people and slamming Palin now are ridiculous. Here’s an article where this guy explicitly says he’s going to be a Romney guy and distances himself from tea party. SO much for the astroturfed tea party angst.

promachus on May 23, 2012 at 8:52 PM

But still Castle would not vote with the Democrats every single time. The current Senator from Delaware WILL vote with the Democrats every single time. Like I said, I will take 60 to 70 percent over nothing any day.

Ace had a graphic up in the past couple of weeks that shows this. When Republicans are the majority, Democrats cross over. When the Democrats are the majority Republicans cross over and the larger the majority, the more crossing over.

Reducing the Democrat majority by two seats means two fewer Democrats needed to pass legislation supported by Republicans and two fewer Democrats needed to support cloture.

crosspatch on May 23, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Castle would have voted D at least 50% on important votes and possibly even more. There was also strong suspicion that he was going to hold the seat until Biden’s son would run, then step down. It would not have surprised me if Castle would have switched parties once elected.

As I personally am very anti- Cap and Trade and this was one of my biggest concerns about Castle, I would like to point out that it was very shortly after Castle was defeated that the US market that had been set up to do the trading for Cap and Trade was fairly quietly disbanded-functionally driving a stake in its heart. To my recollection, Castle was one of 2 R’s that voted for Cap and Trade. I would balance that benefit of the defeat of cap and trade with the loss of what would most likely have been a few votes on fundamentally unimportant matters as Castle would have sided with the D’s on anything close, or of significant liberal importance. I would view Castle’s defeat as an overall win for conservative causes.

Either Utah candidate should be fine.

talkingpoints on May 23, 2012 at 9:24 PM

The Mittbots posturing as tea party people and slamming Palin now are ridiculous. Here’s an article where this guy explicitly says he’s going to be a Romney guy and distances himself from tea party. SO much for the astroturfed tea party angst.

promachus on May 23, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Yeah, and many of those are here running around shrieking “MOBY!!!!! CONCERN TROLL!!!! O-BOTTTTTTT!!! YA FILTHY COMMIE BASTARD!!!!!” all the time.

That may be. However, many of these hateful comments toward Sarah Palin, you don’t find even on some of the Democratic blogs/forums.
You do find them on the far left sites as moveon, etc. That is usually what I compare them to. Also a lot of the new posters reveal a lot about themselves too:-)

A difference of opinion is one thing with some content, but just pure hate is easily recognized. The latter are the ones I’m referring to.

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Yep, and I’ve found precious few of these Mittbots/anti-Palin freaks (there’s a lot of overlap) who ever can object to Palin on policy grounds. She’s become a good touchstone in that way.

ddrintn on May 23, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Right now the general consensus of republicans is ABO (anyone but
Obama).

If Romney, as president, doesn’t lead with conservative values for
the most part it will be ABR.

I think the Mittbott disapproval of Palin on this thread is a direct
result of their rino attitudes. They don’t like Palin because
she is conservative. They try to hide this in various ways by
listing various crazy reasons. Not buying it folks!

Then there are those who couldn’t get the cheerleader to date
them in high school or the females who look in the mirror and realize $100,000 of plastic surgery still wouldn’t put them anywhere near her beauty. We all know who they are on this site.
Their jealousy is so obvious.

Keep playing your anti Palin game – we will continue laughing
out loud!

Amjean on May 23, 2012 at 9:31 PM

So what’s your point? Only popular pro-Sarah opinions allowed here?
I understand it’s important to you that your anonymous username is popular among your anonymous make-believe friends. Are you an old lady or still in Jr high?

Buttercup on May 23, 2012 at 2:51 PM

No, you see, only popular pro-Romney opinions are allowed here. If you step over that line, you’re a lib Moby concern troll O-bot filthy commie bastard OWSer (I’ve been called all the above). We’ve had anti-Palin rants galore here since August 2008.

ddrintn on May 23, 2012 at 9:35 PM

If Romney, as president, doesn’t lead with conservative values for
the most part it will be ABR.

I think the Mittbott disapproval of Palin on this thread is a direct
result of their rino attitudes. They don’t like Palin because
she is conservative. They try to hide this in various ways by
listing various crazy reasons. Not buying it folks!

Then there are those who couldn’t get the cheerleader to date
them in high school or the females who look in the mirror and realize $100,000 of plastic surgery still wouldn’t put them anywhere near her beauty. We all know who they are on this site.
Their jealousy is so obvious.

Amjean on May 23, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Yeah, but I think the root of a lot of ‘bot hatred of Palin is that the rubes love them some Palin and don’t like Romney very much. There’s nothing they can do about it other than tear down Palin. Been that way since McCain named her VP nominee.

ddrintn on May 23, 2012 at 9:38 PM

For what it’s worth, I’d just like to point out the difference between skeptics(on this issue) like Mad Con(who I’ve had disagreements regarding Palin before) and the d-bags who just show up in any Palin thread with no other purpose but to trash her.

There are legit gripes to be had with this topic, but it sure is easy to see who’s being intellectually honest and who isn’t.

Dongemaharu on May 23, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Sorry, but the guy who sabotaged the duly nominated Republican candidate for Senate in Alaska against the wishes of the majority of Republicans in that state in order to preserve the “birthright” of a spoiled, ideologically incoherent, entitled brat represents all that is wrong with the “get your ass in line” establishment wing of the GOP. The fact that this obnoxious fossil has Eddie Haskelled Ed, Mark Levin and Sarah Palin doesn’t close the discussion. Time to trim the fat.

Oh, and Ed, if you can’t beat Klobuchar in 2012 after the Al Franken debacle and the 4 years of Obozo’s administration, your state is a lost cause. It won’t be because Utah challenged Hatch that Klobuchar hangs on.

fitzfong on May 23, 2012 at 10:11 PM

promachus on May 23, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Thanks for the link. I read it and am doing some research on Hatch’s opponent. Freedom Works started in Jan 2011 to target Lugar and Hatch. Seems like there is a split between FW and Tea Party Express. Perhaps in addition to researching Dan L, checking out what Dick Armey’s motives are may be profitable:-)

bluefox on May 24, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Seems like there is a split between FW and Tea Party Express. Perhaps in addition to researching Dan L, checking out what Dick Armey’s motives are may be profitable:-)

bluefox on May 24, 2012 at 12:14 AM

The general goals of FreedomWorks and those of us who consider ourselves the “Tea Party” may overlap, but I won’t assume they are always the same. I believe FW wants to claim some “ownership” of the Tea Party, but no one group or organization can do that. Be wary of any who try. The Tea Party has an ideal. FW has an agenda.

swinia sutki on May 24, 2012 at 7:01 AM

Yes, Cornyn was the one who went all for Murkowski, hiring Ben Ginsburg to go so far as to challenge likely Miller voters, btw,
how did that Scott Brown fellow work out, endorsing Dodd Frank,
New START et al.

narciso on May 24, 2012 at 9:54 AM

bluefox on May 24, 2012 at 12:14 AM

The general goals of FreedomWorks and those of us who consider ourselves the “Tea Party” may overlap, but I won’t assume they are always the same. I believe FW wants to claim some “ownership” of the Tea Party, but no one group or organization can do that. Be wary of any who try. The Tea Party has an ideal. FW has an agenda.

swinia sutki on May 24, 2012 at 7:01 AM

That is the impression I got too about FW after reading some of their sites and links. They claim 70 Tea Party Groups are part of FW. Tea Party Express in my opinion have done more and have always appeared to be upfront. These 70 TP groups may be just various local State ones. Haven’t checked that out yet.

I agree that no organization can or even should try to take ownership. The TP is grassroots and no one size fits all. I noticed FW and Tea Party Patriots and Tea Party Nation sprung up about the same time. TP Patriots is the group Michele Bachmann invited into the U.S. House Tea Party Caucus she set up and named herself as Chair. Some of these groups give the TP a bad name and local TP’s should investigate before joining.

Thanks for the info:-)

bluefox on May 24, 2012 at 11:32 AM

narciso on May 24, 2012 at 9:54 AM

I remember Cornyn and his people flying up to Alaska and what they did. That’s why I have no use for him or his cohorts:-)

bluefox on May 24, 2012 at 11:39 AM

They already know who they are. It’s just that others need to be aware that this type of activity exists:-)

bluefox on May 23, 2012 at 5:14 PM

In other words, you’re blowing smoke out of your you-know-what.

Dunedainn on May 25, 2012 at 11:41 AM

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