WaPo: Hey, did you hear what that Mormon militia did 150 years ago?

posted at 6:05 pm on May 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

The best part of this story is their pretext for running it, the supposedly real possibility that something that happened between Mormons and Christians 150 years ago might cause Romney to lose … Arkansas. The same state where Obama’s struggling to win the Democratic primary.

I’ve seen some impressive concern-trolling in my day, but concern-trolling and Mormon-baiting in the same piece is bravura stuff. Alternate headline: “Mitt Romney, terrorist spawn?”

On Sept. 11, 1857, a wagon train from this part of Arkansas met with a gruesome fate in Utah, where most of the travelers were slaughtered by a Mormon militia in an episode known as the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Hundreds of the victims’ descendants still populate these hills and commemorate the killings, which they have come to call “the first 9/11.”

“There have been Fancher family reunions for 150 years, and the massacre comes up at every one of them,” said Scott Fancher, 58, who traces his lineage back to 26 members of the wagon train, which was known as the Fancher-Baker party. “The more whiskey we drunk, the more resentful we got.”

There aren’t many places in America more likely to be suspicious of Mormonism — and potentially more problematic for Mitt Romney, who is seeking to become the country’s first Mormon president. Not only do many here retain a personal antipathy toward the religion and its followers, but they also tend to be Christian evangelicals, many of whom view Mormonism as a cult.

And yet, there is scant evidence that Romney’s religion is making much difference in how voters here are thinking about the presidential election and whether they are willing to back the former Massachusetts governor.

I take it back. Apparently the story’s about how there isn’t a possibility of Romney losing the state, in which case I guess the “news angle” here, such as it is, is that maybe there should be a possibility given how terrible the incident with the militia was. All we need now is a segment tomorrow on MSNBC about how “people are talking” about the 1857 Mormon militia raid and this latest distraction-of-the-day dumpster-dive news cycle will be complete.

Go read John Nolte on the Rev. Wright double standard and Guy Benson on why Axelrod is so comfortable in saying that Romney’s faith should be off-limits. Of course it’s off-limits for the campaign: The media will make an issue of Romney’s faith on the campaign’s behalf by treating it as “news.” Exit question: Am I right in thinking that WaPo resorts to this sort of decades-old (or centuries-old, in this case) character attack on Republicans more often than, say, the NYT does? That’s not to absolve the Times — the 2008 hit piece on McCain and his non-affair with a lobbyist is legendary — but my sense is that it happens more often with WaPo. They obsessed over Bob McDonnell’s master’s thesis, they hit Perry for the rock with the racial slur on property his family didn’t even own, they went after Romney a few weeks ago for forcibly cutting a kid’s hair 50 years ago, and now they’re exploring whether Romney will be somehow held culpable for the “Mormon 9/11″ from the 19th century or whatever. I have no way of quantifying how many pieces WaPo has run like this versus how many the Times has run, but my hunch is that you’ll find more from the former than the latter. Maybe Newsbusters or the MRC or some other media watchdog has stats.

Update: Meanwhile, it’s starting to look like Obama’s Super PAC might not hold on to that Bill Maher check for much longer:

Maher, a major donor to a super PAC backing Obama, had tweeted “Why even listen to #MittRomney on foreign policy? His entire FP experience is 2 yrs trying to brow-beat Frenchmen into joining his cult.” The former Massachusetts governor spent two years in France as a missionary.

“Attacking a candidate’s religion is out of bounds, and our campaign will not engage in it, and we don’t think others should either,” campaign spokeswoman Lis Smith told Yahoo News by email.


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WaPo: Hey, did you hear what that Mormon militia did 150 years ago

I don’t know, did they join the Democrat Party’s crusade to preserve slavery?

forest on May 21, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Romney went back in time as the Terminator.Did the massacre himself.

I wonder if the Post will run a piece against catholics and the Spanish Inquisition, or protestants and the Salem witch trials and hangings.

LOL

gerrym51 on May 21, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Axelturd lied.

Schadenfreude on May 21, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Wow! And I thought they couldn’t go back any further than Romney’s grandparents. Pathetic.

txhsmom on May 21, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Why don’t they ask why Obama claimed to be born in Kenya, until 2007?

Schadenfreude on May 21, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Mau Mau 1950s!

Blake on May 21, 2012 at 6:11 PM

It’s still only May.

supernova on May 21, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Did you hear what the Black Panther militia did 48 months ago?

Washington Nearsider on May 21, 2012 at 6:12 PM

The best part of this story is their pretext for running it, the supposedly real possibility that something that happened between Mormons and Christians…

Mormons and Christians?

Mark1971 on May 21, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Sooooooo… we can talk about this but we can’t see One-bama’s College transcripts?

NickDeringer on May 21, 2012 at 6:14 PM

This just in: Obama associated with group that supported the enslavement of blacks and waged a war that killed over 600,000 Americans to protect it. Film at 11.

JSchuler on May 21, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Obama’s step-father’s family has eaten dogs for many, many generations…
“Sweet & Sour Cocker Spaniel” was a favorite of the Soeteros.

albill on May 21, 2012 at 6:15 PM

“Attacking a candidate’s religion is out of bounds, and our campaign will not engage in it, and we don’t think others should either,” campaign spokeswoman Lis Smith told Yahoo News by email.

Watching the left is schadenfreudig.

Schadenfreude on May 21, 2012 at 6:15 PM

This piece is similar to interviewing Bostonians who may have had a distant British relative who died fighting in the Mau Mau Rebellion, and in some twisted way, link it back to Obama’s Kenyan heritage and discuss aloud the political ramifications of the link. It’s pathetic they would have to resort to these types of attacks since they have little else to work with.

This is a good sign of brighter, happier days to come. :-)

Punchenko on May 21, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Yeah, well, Obama sat in Reverend Wright’s church for 20 years and ate dogs in Indonesia.

“The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes three-strike laws and wants them to sing God Bless America. No! No No! God damn America … for killing innocent people. God damn America for threatening citizens as less than humans. God damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and supreme.”

“Woof”
*sizzle*

Fallon on May 21, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Hey there, WaPo!

Didja hear what Bill Ayers did before BO started palin’ around with him?

Or what the Donk party and Woodrow Wilson did with the KKK ?

Or the Donk party did with Lester Maddox and George Wallace and Bull Conner?

Huh?

Fish wrap.

Bruno Strozek on May 21, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Since, as a kid, Obama was listed as a Muslim and, per this story’s logic, all Muslims are responsible for the real 9-11, will Obama pay a price at the polls come November?

Maxpower on May 21, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Romney’s a Northerner; his side won the Civil War and yet there is scant evidence that his regional roots are making much of a difference how voters here in the South are thinking about the presidential election and whether they are willing to back the former Massachusetts governor. Amazing, especially since it’s only been 147 years since the Civil War ended. /

rcpjr on May 21, 2012 at 6:21 PM

WaPo: Hey, did you hear what that Mormon militia did 150 years ago?

Yep, they’re constantly taking about that down at the Unemployment Office.

It’s all George Bush’s fault! (IAGBF is a registered TradeMark of the Obama Administration)

Glad WaPo is talking about the important stuff of the day.

At least prostitutes are honest about what they do for a living.

GarandFan on May 21, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Again, so this kind of garbage is ok from the Left but any attempt by conservatives to look at Obama’s connections to Rev Wrigh is “repudiated”!

LevinFan on May 21, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Obama ate dog and studied at a madrassa.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 6:22 PM

How long until we find out that Mitt’s great-great-great-great grandfather personally nailed Jesus to the cross? You can smell the desperation and see the yellow streams down their legs.They know that Obama fail = Carter effect for years.

Southernblogger on May 21, 2012 at 6:23 PM

That twit Axelrod says it’s off limits…as he winks to the media.

rubberneck on May 21, 2012 at 6:24 PM

March 26th, 1942 was the Lari Massacre in Nairobi, Kenya. I’m thinking TFGP’s grandfather must have been involved. 150 dead can’t be ignored any longer.

Bishop on May 21, 2012 at 6:26 PM

+$16 TRILLION DOLLARS OF DEBT…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on May 21, 2012 at 6:28 PM

What were Obama’s Muslim ancestors doing 150 years ago in Kenya?

Is the WaPo going to check on that soon?

Selling blacks into slavery?

Massacring Christians missionaries?

Stoning gays and beheading women?

Inquiring minds want to know.

profitsbeard on May 21, 2012 at 6:29 PM

And BO’s foreign policy experience was?

stout77 on May 21, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Because the last WaPo pack-of-lies hit piece was such a failure, maybe they thought they’d have better luck this time. They should have reconsidered. What a stinkbomb.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 6:31 PM

obama can only play to his ignorant base. This type of nonsense will not play well with the productive American people.

rjh on May 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM

But let’s conduct a thought experiment. What if Mitt Romney were liberal? I can imagine a story beginning something like this:

Debra Young wept as she watched Rick Santorum’s concession speech. The Mormon mother of four felt the weight of history, and she was filled with pride for her faith and for her country.

“Just think,” she said, “Joseph Smith was murdered by a lynch mob, a governor actually issued an extermination order against members of our church, and we were forced to flee across the frontier to save our lives. We have come so far. Our nation has come so far. I truly hope that this election will launch a new era of respect for religious liberty.”

David French/NRO

heh

bluealice on May 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Well as we know Obama is a Christian and Mitt is not so I assume any evil done in the name of Christianity can be laid at Obama’s feet.

CW on May 21, 2012 at 6:33 PM

obama can only play to his ignorant base. This type of nonsense will not play well with the productive American people.

rjh on May 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Like Uppereastside….

CW on May 21, 2012 at 6:33 PM

The wafting stench of Obama’s desperation is stinking up the pages of WaPo moreso than usual and to no avail.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Well, yeah and then there was that whole Spanish Inquisition thing..not to mention the cross burning KKK…but why go into all that?

If they want to be daring, they can do a story on the history of Islamic extremism. But that won’t happen.

Terrye on May 21, 2012 at 6:34 PM

obama can only play to his ignorant base. This type of nonsense will not play well with the productive American people.

rjh on May 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM

I believe we all want to think that, and I love my country very much, but there are a lot of stupid people in this country.

The media is doing their part to make sure those people remain stupid.

BruthaMan on May 21, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Does Romney have any Roman blood in him? Didn’t the Romans slay a few Christians in the past? Is Romney at risk of losing the Italian American vote?

maubman on May 21, 2012 at 6:36 PM

If the WaPo LSM is doing this in MAY, goodness gracious sakes alive!!

Khun Joe on May 21, 2012 at 6:36 PM

I wonder if the sought the opinion of Harry Reid – the ‘Mormon’ Majority leader.

Hawiaans killed Captain Cook in 1779. Should Obama apologize?

matter of fact, the founder of the Mormon church was murdered in Illinios in 1844. Man – Obama really has a violent history – ya think?

mouell on May 21, 2012 at 6:37 PM

I wonder if the Washington Post will run a story on Missouri Executive Order 44 signed by Democrat Governor Lilburn Boggs in 1838? Bet not.

From EO44:

“…the Mormons (innocent men, women, and children) must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary for the public peace—their outrages are beyond all description.”

Mormons are the only Americans, as a group, to ever be the subject of a legal extermination order. It wasn’t until Republican Governor Kit Bond was elected that the order was repealed in 1976.

Resist We Much on May 21, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Update: Meanwhile, it’s starting to look like Obama’s Super PAC might not hold on to that Bill Maher check for much longer:

Yeah, like that’s gonna happen. They’ll make some show of telling off Maher, keep the money, and Maher will take it like the doughy faced lickspittle coward he is.

BigWyo on May 21, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Romney’s a Northerner; his side won the Civil War and yet there is scant evidence that his regional roots are making much of a difference how voters here in the South are thinking about the presidential election and whether they are willing to back the former Massachusetts governor. Amazing, especially since it’s only been 147 years since the Civil War ended. /

rcpjr on May 21, 2012 at 6:21 PM

In the Civil War his ancestors were in Utah and uninvolved in it. Later in Mexico to continue polygamy after it became Illegal in the US. His father moved to Michigan before Mitt was born.

Steveangell on May 21, 2012 at 6:39 PM

The liberals over at the LA Times have been using this one for weeks. They’ve multiplied the incident into “Did you know that the Mormons often dressed up as Indians to attack non-Mormon wagon trains?”

As much as I dislike the event, the Mormons long ago owned up to it in apology — just as the South has come to its apologia for slavery.

There are pockets of Mormons who don’t think Mormons did the massacre, just as the South has its quota of Lost Causers, but the overwhelming sense in browsing Mormon sites is the opposite.

It’s about as pertainent to Mormons, or those who are not, today, as a similar incident is to Protestant/Catholic relations today — what my fellow Catholics did to the Huguenots in Paris — the St. Bartholemew Day Massacre — in 1572.

In other words, it’s about as awkward as bringing up to Auntie Dorothy how Uncle Billy used to get nasty when drunk before he went on the wagon.

unclesmrgol on May 21, 2012 at 6:40 PM

This Mormon thing started here in Palmira, NY. So what? Am I going to vote for Mitt? You bet your life I am. After he gets in office I hope he puts a stone in his shoe every morning for the first six months.

mixplix on May 21, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Mormons are the only Americans, as a group, to ever be the subject of a legal extermination order. It wasn’t until Republican Governor Kit Bond was elected that the order was repealed in 1976.

Resist We Much on May 21, 2012 at 6:38 PM

The reason for this order.

The Mormons were becoming so numerous they could have voted the Democrats including Bogs out of power. Because they block voted.

Steveangell on May 21, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Resist We Much on May 21, 2012 at 6:38 PM

So the guilty ones got to stay? Hmm.

unclesmrgol on May 21, 2012 at 6:42 PM

And yet, there is scant evidence that Romney’s religion is making much difference in how voters here are thinking about the presidential election and whether they are willing to back the former Massachusetts governor.

hmmm

Evangelicals largely for Romney, new poll shows

Romney’s lead among white evangelicals was nearly 50 percentage points, as 68% chose him and 19% chose Obama in the survey.

[snip]

Although voters overall downplay the importance of religion in their candidate choices, the survey’s authors pointed to a “strong correlation between similarity of candidates’ religious beliefs and voting preference.” Each candidate leads among voters who believe the other candidate’s religious views are different from her own.

An exception to that is among the white evangelicals surveyed: 67% of those who said that Romney’s Mormon faith is different from their own still supported him over Obama. Source

And this poll was taken just a couple of days before Obama “came out.”

Oh, and then there’s this:

Evangelicals for Mitt who are already mocking this story and have issued a counter to it.

Flora Duh on May 21, 2012 at 6:45 PM

I glanced too quickly at the headline and thought it said “Hey, did you hear what that Moron militia did 150 years ago?” and the first thing that came to my mind was “created the Washington Post.”

Marxism is for dummies on May 21, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Hey, did you hear what bho’s kin did in kenya years ago? Just look it up wapo and see what bho’s kin did and might still be going with bho’s(taxpayers money) help?

And the brother in the hut, how is he doing? NO HOME SWEET HUT sign from bho?

You want to plow up snakes 150 years ago, how about all here on HA, and every other site get to looking into bho’s kin? Bet bho’s kin are not all that pure?
L

letget on May 21, 2012 at 6:46 PM

In other words, it’s about as awkward as bringing up to Auntie Dorothy how Uncle Billy used to get nasty when drunk before he went on the wagon.

unclesmrgol on May 21, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Used to live in Colorado. There was no way to get to St. George Utah except very far to the North of it.

Yet this group went way our of their way to cross the Grand Canyon in the only possible place to cross it in 300 miles. This took them into Utah. They claimed they were going to California but if that were the case they chose the hardest possible route. None of the others that came to California went that route.

But the Mormons handled it poorly. They jumped to conclusions and conspired with the Indians to destroy this camp before they ever attacked the Mormons if that was even their intention. They could have just had a really bad guide.

Steveangell on May 21, 2012 at 6:50 PM

I don’t know, did they join the Democrat Party’s crusade to preserve slavery?

forest on May 21, 2012 at 6:08 PM

I don’t think you want to go there. The Mormons sat on the fence with regard to slavery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_and_early_Mormonism

http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapters/pioneers_and_cowboys/slaveryinutah.html

It’s sort of like where the LDS is now with regard to abortion. Unwilling to condemn it, but also thinking it’s not what Jesus would have them do.

unclesmrgol on May 21, 2012 at 6:51 PM

didn’t allow blacks in priesthood till 1978. what took them so long? just sayin!

gemini on May 21, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Well, then there’s this:

The first time the BAIPA (Born-Alive Infants Protection Act) reached the Illinois Senate floor, on March 30, 2001, Obama was the only senator to speak against it, and his remarks clearly reflect that he holds the most expansive view on the scope of Roe v. Wade and the “right to abortion.” He said that “whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we’re really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a – a child, a nine-month-old — child that was delivered to term.”

Fallon on May 21, 2012 at 6:52 PM

ResistWeMuch

It was the Mormons, led by the fanatic charlatan Joseph Smith who styled himself a latter-day Muhammad, that went around different territories of the West pissing off the Americans and getting themselves booted out.

It was the Mormon fanatics who rejected the faith, traditions and the Constitution of the United States, went to war against it’s government and committed atrocities against it’s people.

I have a webpage of letters compiled from that period- letters from local community leaders of Missouri and Arkansas to the their Governors, and letter from lower military officers stationed in the region to their superiours back east as well as first-hand accounts of locals involved in the troubles including Mormons who fled from the faith after refusing to take part in Smith’s madness.
Joseph Smith was a terrorist and a madman. And the early days of Mormon history read exactly like accounts of the first Muslims under Mohammed.

When the Governor of Missouri penned what you have bolded above, it was as after a lengthy campaign of terror and intimidation visited upon the Americans committed by the Mormon fanatics.

Thank you for bringing this up. I think this dark period of American history when Americans were attacked by genocidal fanatics within their midst needs to be evaluated in light of our current war against fanatics abroad.

“I will be a second Mohammed to this generation…whose motto, in treating for peace, was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword,’ so shall it be eventually with us, ‘Joseph Smith or the Sword.’ ”

-Joseph Smith

sartana on May 21, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Geez, Barry Soetoro is using all of his bullets against Romney and is still May, I wonder what will they do in october.

Falz on May 21, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Wait! Did Romney campaign for the Mormons who did this massacre, like Obama did for Odinga in Kenya? You know, the guy who led a militia that burned a church with children and babies inside it, and massacred 5,000 people at the airport?

That’s right – look for a picture of Obama and Odinga -his cousin- standing side by side and google Kenya massacre or Odinga massacre.

Aren’t the Dems tired of this game yet?

Daisy_WI on May 21, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Hey, did you hear what socialists did last century to folks who did not agree with them?

jake49 on May 21, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Thank you for bringing this up. I think this dark period of American history when Americans were attacked by genocidal fanatics within their midst needs to be evaluated in light of our current war against fanatics abroad.

“I will be a second Mohammed to this generation…whose motto, in treating for peace, was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword,’ so shall it be eventually with us, ‘Joseph Smith or the Sword.’ ”

-Joseph Smith

sartana on May 21, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Wow, I never realized Michelle O’bama had a HA account.

Del Dolemonte on May 21, 2012 at 6:56 PM

“Sweet & Sour Cocker Spaniel” was a favorite of the Soeteros.

albill on May 21, 2012 at 6:15 PM

They probably celebrated with a big plate of it after Barry finished beating up all the little girls on the playground. Followed by a bit of cheap gin. (it was gin, wasn’t it?)

BettyRuth on May 21, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Steveangell on May 21, 2012 at 6:50 PM

You do understand why they did what they did? They were trying for the “southern route” into California, to avoid the snows that did in the Donner Party.

With respect to the Mormons, they had been ordered to lay in supplies, because they had word that the Federals were coming to lay down martial law in Utah. As the Fancher party passed through Mormon towns, they were refused needed supplies because the Mormons felt the need to reserve supplies for their own use. As the Fancher party progressed along the trail, and found the Mormons solidly disposed not to offer supplies, they became more and more antagonistic toward Mormons, cursing their Prophet and their religion.

Apparently, a few Mormon towns decided that these people, destined for San Bernardino in California (which the Mormons had abandoned just a few years back due to similar prejudice) decided to deal with this wagon trail load of anti-Mormon people with deadly force rather than just words.

unclesmrgol on May 21, 2012 at 6:57 PM

didn’t allow blacks in priesthood till 1978. what took them so long? just sayin!

gemini on May 21, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Democrats kept a KKK member in the Senate for decades.

just sayin!

G-

Del Dolemonte on May 21, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Geez, Barry Soetoro is using all of his bullets against Romney and is still May, I wonder what will they do in october.

Falz on May 21, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Make stuff up. Excuse me- Make MORE stuff up.

BettyRuth on May 21, 2012 at 6:58 PM

so the guilty ones got to stay? Hmm.

unclesmrgol on May 21, 2012 at 6:42 PM

LOL! They were Harry Reid’s ancestors. Lots of land deals with the Governor.

No, what I meant was that there was no due process whatsoever. You didn’t have to commit a crime. There was no trial, no jury, no appeal. A newborn baby could be murdered just because s/he was a Mormon while a real criminal might do a bit in the county jail and then be set free.

Resist We Much on May 21, 2012 at 7:00 PM

This is actually quite funny. They can’t talk about the economy. They can’t talk about foreign policy. They can’t talk about all the nifty accomplishments of Obama. They can’t talk about how open and inclusive this government has been. They can’t talk about F&F, Solyndra or a myriad of other things.

So their left with this idiocy. The only people they are convincing are the already converted, who are lost anyways and the mentally deficient, who, well are mentally deficient.

Mmmmm. Mmmmmm. Mmmmmmm. Love me the stench of liberal desperation and flop sweat.

Pass the popcorn.

kim roy on May 21, 2012 at 7:01 PM

del demonte: getting testy, huh

gemini on May 21, 2012 at 7:03 PM

unclesmrgol on May 21, 2012 at 6:57 PM

So you lay the blame for the massacre at the feet of those who were massacred? They had it coming.

How very Islamic.

sartana on May 21, 2012 at 7:04 PM

then there is this:

gemini on May 21, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Each reference to Mormonism by the socialist media MUST BE COUNTERED by a reference to rev. jeremiah “God D@#$ America” wright’s (and his disciple for more than 20+ years OBOZO’s) anti-American, racist, vile, despicable, hate-filled Black Liberation Theology.

TeaPartyNation on May 21, 2012 at 7:07 PM

obama can only play to his ignorant base. This type of nonsense will not play well with the productive American people.

rjh on May 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM

And Wa Po demonstrates once again that it is Obama’s ignorant base.

talkingpoints on May 21, 2012 at 7:07 PM

remember former BYU running back Ronney Jenkins. he got expelled back in 1999 for pre maritial sex. his girlfriend happened to be white. Jenkins said race played a factor. interesting history with people of color at byu.

gemini on May 21, 2012 at 7:10 PM

“I will be a second Mohammed to this generation…whose motto, in treating for peace, was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword,’ so shall it be eventually with us, ‘Joseph Smith or the Sword.’ ”

-Joseph Smith

sartana on May 21, 2012 at 6:52 PM

http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Narcissism/A_%22second_Mohammad%22

Mockingjay on May 21, 2012 at 7:13 PM

del demonte: getting testy, huh

gemini on May 21, 2012 at 7:03 PM

The Truth hurts, doesn’t it?

Want me to tell you about how O’bama’s elite Hawaiian Prep School condoned Hate Crimes against Whites while he was a student there?

Del Dolemonte on May 21, 2012 at 7:14 PM

remember former BYU running back Ronney Jenkins. he got expelled back in 1999 for pre maritial sex. his girlfriend happened to be white. Jenkins said race played a factor. interesting history with people of color at byu.

gemini on May 21, 2012 at 7:10 PM

It’s also common for white students to get expelled for premarital sex at Mormon colleges. It’s in the code of honor that they volntarily sign when they choose to enroll.

Mockingjay on May 21, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Listen WaPo, Romney isn’t Obama, and ExLaxing every liberal commentator in America won’t fill that chasm.

starboard lookout on May 21, 2012 at 7:15 PM

ResistWeMuch

It was the Mormons, led by the fanatic charlatan Joseph Smith who styled himself a latter-day Muhammad, that went around different territories of the West pissing off the Americans and getting themselves booted out.

Really? And, I guess all of the “regular” Christians were just so perfect and didn’t do anything wrong at all. I bet they treated the Mormons like they did the Catholics later in the 19th century.

It was the Mormon fanatics who rejected the faith, traditions and the Constitution of the United States, went to war against it’s government and committed atrocities against it’s people.

Excuse me, but this country was founded on the idea of free men being allowed to freely practise their religion. There were a lot of Jews that helped fund the Revolutionary War and, without whose help, you would have been born a British subject as I was.

Under NO circumstances does the government of the United States or any state have the authority to issue an extermination order for a group of people. The idea that you would seek to justify such a notion is disgusting. Such an action is taken by countries like Nazi Germany, not countries that believe in freedom.

When the Governor of Missouri penned what you have bolded above, it was as after a lengthy campaign of terror and intimidation visited upon the Americans committed by the Mormon fanatics.

Oh, Missouri gave as good as it got. You seem to forget one very important issue: SLAVERY. The Mormons were abolitionists and Missouri was a slave state. This was a source of much of the animosity.

Thank you for bringing this up. I think this dark period of American history when Americans were attacked by genocidal fanatics within their midst needs to be evaluated in light of our current war against fanatics abroad.

No, it was a time when our government deprived our fellow citizens of their constitutional rights and permitted them to be slaughtered for any reason. That order remained in effect until 1976.

If the Mormons were such a threat to the United States, then why didn’t the President and the Congress declare war, invoke martial law, send in Federal troops to put down insurrections, or something? This was a STATE order. There was NO review. There was NO appeal.

And, let me say before you assume that I am a Mormon. I am not. I’m an atheist so I don’t have a dog in the religion wars.

Resist We Much on May 21, 2012 at 7:15 PM

obama can only play to his ignorant base. This type of nonsense will not play well with the productive American people.

rjh on May 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM

And Wa Po demonstrates once again that it is Obama’s ignorant base.

talkingpoints on May 21, 2012 at 7:07 PM

As is amply evident in the Comments there. I posted some of the “highlights” when this thread was earlier in Headlines.

Del Dolemonte on May 21, 2012 at 7:16 PM

..FAIL. How bad was this? They made a movie out of this incident and it ended up either being a made-for-TV or straight-to-DVD or something.

The only sad aspect of the movie was that Jon Voight starred in it. That is, it was sad that he got the part and it wasn’t successful. He is a helluva patriot and does the Lord’s work (sorry) when it comes to sticking up for Bush and deconstructing Obama.

The War Planner on May 21, 2012 at 7:18 PM

…How come when anarchists run around breaking windows and throwing fire bombs…they can’t do us a favor and do the WaPo, just once!

KOOLAID2 on May 21, 2012 at 7:23 PM

read mormon doctrine, 1958, page 477. basically says blacks or negroes they were called were not equal with other races

gemini on May 21, 2012 at 7:27 PM

39 consecutive months of unemployment above 8.0%. The biggest failure in the history of the American Presidency…he is.

jan3 on May 21, 2012 at 7:27 PM

uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…………
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…it’s the ECONOMY stupid…!!!

KOOLAID2 on May 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Democrats kept a KKK member in the Senate for decades.

just sayin!

G-

Del Dolemonte on May 21, 2012 at 6:57 PM

He would still be there if he hadn’t died.

magicbeans on May 21, 2012 at 7:29 PM

hey mocking jay, prove it!

gemini on May 21, 2012 at 7:30 PM

The tu qouque argument being employed here by Resist We Much is standard whenever Mormons are confronted with uncomfortable truths about their history and doctrines. Always heaping scorn upon another party rather than owning up to the facts.

The fact is that Brigham Young ordered the slaughter of those Americans as revenge for perceived indignities that the Mormons suffered earlier in Missouri. It’s revealing that Mormons still today refuse to accept responsibility for the evil committed by their forbears. Still blaming the victims.

And no, the enmity felt by the Mormons toward Americans had nothing to do with slavery. You can attempt to rewrite the past if you can’t live up to it, but just know that some of us are paying attention.

And Resist We Much, it’s not necessary for you to defend the crimes committed by Joseph Smith and his followers by comparing the United States to NAZI Germany- thereby implying that their actions were justifiable resistance to a Fascist state.

sartana on May 21, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Whew! About time we went back to the 1850′s and 1860′s. I thought African Americans were NEVER going to give the Republican Party credit for that Emancipation thingy.

TheMagnanimousMan on May 21, 2012 at 7:33 PM

everybody has been silent about my comment. hmmmmmmm! truth hurts, huh?

gemini on May 21, 2012 at 7:33 PM

hey mocking jay, prove it!

gemini on May 21, 2012 at 7:30 PM

You first. Prove that the expulsion you mentioned was race related. The words of a disgruntled ex-student aren’t going to be enough. I would like to see some stats backing up your claim. Prove to me that white students were found out by the school to be having premarital sex at the same time and were not expelled. I’ll wait… (Taps foot)

Mockingjay on May 21, 2012 at 7:34 PM

The tu qouque argument being employed here

sartana on May 21, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Wow, you’re Smart!

Del Dolemonte on May 21, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Well, when the DNC isn’t reaching, they’re screeching. They’re so predictable.

/Someone needs to make that “So Predictable” into an ad or something.

Key West Reader on May 21, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Oookay. Time for another twitter hashtag war:

In History, Myths, and Sacred Formulas of the Cherokees, the 19th century anthropologist James Mooney, who lived on the Qualla Boundary (present-day Cherokee) during the late 1880s, described the scalp dance: “This dance, common to every tribe east of the Rocky Mountains, was held to celebrate the taking of fresh scalps from the enemy. These scalps, painted red on the fleshy side, decorated and stretched in small hoops attached to the ends of poles, were carried in the dance by the wives and sweethearts of the warriors … Among the Cherokee it was customary for the warrior as he stepped into the center of the circle to suggest to the drummer an improvised song which summed up in one or two words his own part in the encounter.”

Buy Danish on May 21, 2012 at 7:38 PM

The fact is that Brigham Young ordered the slaughter of those Americans as revenge for perceived indignities that the Mormons suffered earlier in Missouri.

sartana on May 21, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Link? I would prefer a reputable historical citation. If you’re going to link to an anti-Mormon hit site run by a competing religion or disgruntled ex-Mormons, then don’t bother.

Mockingjay on May 21, 2012 at 7:38 PM

hey mocking jay, prove it!

gemini on May 21, 2012 at 7:30 PM

You first. Prove that the expulsion you mentioned was race related. The words of a disgruntled ex-student aren’t going to be enough. I would like to see some stats backing up your claim. Prove to me that white students were found out by the school to be having premarital sex at the same time and were not expelled. I’ll wait… (Taps foot)

Mockingjay on May 21, 2012 at 7:34 PM

HTH

Del Dolemonte on May 21, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Prove to me that white students were found out by the school to be having premarital sex at the same time and were not expelled. I’ll wait… (Taps foot)

Mockingjay on May 21, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Really?

Is this on the Hot Air forum? Or have I landed, unwillingly on some defunctified Huffington Place?

Key West Reader on May 21, 2012 at 7:39 PM

The Mormons, after fleeing for their lives from the mobs in Illinois, repeatedly petitioned the US government for assistance and desperately needed cash and supplies for their migration West and were repeatedly rebuffed. Although they had no love for the US government, they realized the likelihood that the US would prevail against Mexico and that any captured territory would certainly include Zion. Brigham Young, in an effort to gain favor with President Polk, prove Mormon patriotism and diffuse religious hatred of their neighbors, offered troops to fight alongside the US. The Mormon Battalion was formed days after the declaration of war on Mexico. During a grueling 2,000 mile march from Ohio to San Diego, they were instrumental in the US success in securing much of the southwest, and also opened a southern wagon trail to California.

Jocundus on May 21, 2012 at 7:39 PM

And, boy, I’ll bet that African Americans are steamed that a century later more Republic senators than Democrats voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Oh, Wait! 21 Dems voted against compared to 6 Repubs.

TheMagnanimousMan on May 21, 2012 at 7:40 PM

hey, rockingjay! there was a report written by darron smith a ass professor from wichtia state that since 1993 80% of black athletes were expelled.

gemini on May 21, 2012 at 7:43 PM

rocking jay, i’ll send the story if you give me your email

gemini on May 21, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Is this on the Hot Air forum? Or have I landed, unwillingly on some defunctified Huffington Place?

Key West Reader on May 21, 2012 at 7:39 PM

So asking liberal trolls like gemini who accuse others or racism to prove it is uncommon at HotAir?

Mockingjay on May 21, 2012 at 7:44 PM

rocking jay, i’ll send the story if you give me your email

gemini on May 21, 2012 at 7:44 PM

post the link here for all to enjoy

Mockingjay on May 21, 2012 at 7:45 PM

You forgot to mention George Allen in ’06, AP. WaPo was basically an arm of the Jim Webb campaign that fall, smearing Allen at every turn (prominently on the front page, too).

changer1701 on May 21, 2012 at 7:46 PM

hey, rockingjay! there was a report written by darron smith a ass professor from wichtia state that since 1993 80% of black athletes were expelled.

gemini on May 21, 2012 at 7:43 PM

That sounds reasonable (sarc)

Mockingjay on May 21, 2012 at 7:46 PM

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