Obama: “The Afghan war as we understand it is over” in 2014

posted at 4:01 pm on May 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

Emphasis on “as we understand it.” Afghan forces will start to take the lead on security next summer, confirming the rumors back in February that some sort of accelerated shift in responsibility was in the offing, but the target date for substantial withdrawal remains the end of 2014 — and beyond that, diplomatically and financially, who knows. Over at WaPo, David Ignatius is already spitballing on how long it’ll be after we’re gone that the Taliban is back in control of the country. The thinking in diplomatic circles appears to be two years, so bear that in mind when you hear O and NATO apparatchiks promising “long-term” western support for Afghanistan. We’ll be there for them for the next decade if the current government remains more or less intact for that period and doesn’t give way to some jihadist barbarian junta. What are the odds of that, though? 20 to one? 50? 100?

If you missed it over the weekend, take three minutes for the NYT’s chronicle of another Obama “evolution,” from a 2009 surge strategy aimed at nation-building to a 2012 Rumsfeld-ian “light footprint” approach that all but throws in the towel while retaining some U.S. counterterror capabilities in country. This “evolution” didn’t take nearly as long as the other one did:

Mr. Obama concluded in his first year that the Bush-era dream of remaking Afghanistan was a fantasy, and that the far greater threat to the United States was an unstable, nuclear-armed Pakistan. So he narrowed the goals in Afghanistan, and narrowed them again, until he could make the case that America had achieved limited objectives in a war that was, in any traditional sense, unwinnable.

“Just think how big a reversal of approach this was in just two years,” one official involved in the administration debates on Afghanistan said. “We started with what everyone thought was a pragmatic vision but, at its core, was a plan for changing the way Afghanistan is wired. We ended up thinking about how to do as little wiring as possible.”…

Mr. Obama began to question why Americans were dying to prop up a leader, President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, who was volatile, unreliable and willing to manipulate the ballot box. Faced with an economic crisis at home and a fiscal crisis that Mr. Obama knew would eventually require deep limits on Pentagon spending, he was also shocked, they said, by what the war’s cost would be if the generals’ counterinsurgency plan were left on autopilot — $1 trillion over 10 years. And the more he delved into what it would take to truly change Afghan society, the more he concluded that the task was so overwhelming that it would make little difference whether a large American and NATO force remained for 2 more years, 5 more years or 10 more years…

By early 2011, Mr. Obama had seen enough. He told his staff to arrange a speedy, orderly exit from Afghanistan. This time there would be no announced national security meetings, no debates with the generals. Even Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton were left out until the final six weeks.

I take it this means the ephemeral peace talks with the Taliban are also over. The timetable is more enticing for them now than it’s ever been: Most troops gone by December 2014 and the rickety ANA in the lead as early as 13 months from now. They’d be insane to make a deal while the U.S. and NATO are sprinting for the exits, when even western foreign-policy wonks are treating the inevitability of a Talib takeover as a fait accompli. As for the boldfaced point about Pakistan, I’m as baffled as Jonathan Tobin is. If Pakistan’s the bigger threat to U.S. interests — and it is — what exactly is O’s strategy to neutralize that threat beyond the occasional drone strike in Waziristan? Zardari was at the NATO summit this weekend and Obama wouldn’t even meet with him, so angry is the White House that Pakistan hasn’t reopened U.S. supply routes after that NATO airstrike that killed a group of Pakistani troops back in November. Is the new thinking that Pakistan will behave more responsibly once Afghanistan is back under their thumb and safe from Indian domination? If so, we could have saved a lot of American lives by gift-wrapping the country and handing it back to them years ago.

One other point. I think O made the right call on the Bin Laden raid but I’ve never been able to reconcile it strategically with the idea of neutralizing the threat from Pakistan (as opposed to the threat from Al Qaeda specifically). From what I’ve gathered about the fallout from the raid, it humiliated the Pakistani leadership and further entrenched anti-American sentiment within the military and ISI; that hostility probably contributed to the decision later on to close down U.S. supply lines, as well as who knows how many Taliban/Haqqani attacks afterward inside Afghanistan sponsored by ISI as direct reprisals. None of this is meant as criticism of O — when you’ve got the man behind 9/11 in the crosshairs, you take him out, especially if he’s being sheltered by America’s most treacherous “ally.” But in my reading about the White House’s deliberations over whether to get Bin Laden, the prospect of Pakistani reaction seems to figure rather lightly. That’s an odd reaction for a group that believes that reining in the Pakistani terror state is more important that what jihadis like Bin Laden do in Afghanistan.

Exit quotation: “‘This should be a good issue for us,’ a Democratic strategist said. ‘If anyone was paying attention.’”


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thank you barry. you’ve done so much. and i love your BEAUTIFUL wife.

GhoulAid on May 21, 2012 at 4:03 PM

“Peace with honor…”

Khun Joe on May 21, 2012 at 4:05 PM

But don’t you dare “end Medicare as we know it”. Even though it’s trillions upon trillions in the red and ready to implode and stuff…

Atlas on May 21, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Al-Qaeda hardes. . . oh, wait.

RedNewEnglander on May 21, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Exit quotation: “‘This should be a good issue for us,’ a Democratic strategist said. ‘If anyone was paying attention.’”

Heh. Good luck trying to make foreign policy the centerpiece of the campaign. Didn’t work out so great for McCain 4 years ago.

Doughboy on May 21, 2012 at 4:07 PM

“‘This should be a good issue for us,’ a Democratic strategist said. ‘If anyone was paying attention.’”

___________________________________________

We sure were. Besides the fact that we’ve been collectively flogged over the head by the administration reminding us that “Obama killed bin Laden”, good luck running on the rest of your record, champ.

Look over there, unicorns!!…………

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on May 21, 2012 at 4:08 PM

If you’ve broadcast a strategy of abandonment, how can you reconcile one more casualty?

BKeyser on May 21, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Incoming from Taliban and AQ any second now….

dogsoldier on May 21, 2012 at 4:10 PM

“Peace in our time.”

Ward Cleaver on May 21, 2012 at 4:10 PM

From what I’ve gathered about the fallout from the raid, it humiliated the Pakistani leadership and further entrenched anti-American sentiment within the military and ISI; that hostility probably contributed to the decision later on to close down U.S. supply lines, as well as who knows how many Taliban/Haqqani attacks afterward inside Afghanistan sponsored by ISI as direct reprisals.

Oh dear. *clutches pearls*

I’m sure sorry we caught you being a**holes, Pakistan.

Kataklysmic on May 21, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Cripe

cmsinaz on May 21, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Yeah, well President Strozek would have ended the Afgan war at about 2PM on 9/11/2001.

With a bang…

Bruno Strozek on May 21, 2012 at 4:12 PM

The good war

cmsinaz on May 21, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Mission Accomplished…

right2bright on May 21, 2012 at 4:12 PM

I thought the war was over in 2009, along with closing Gitmo. What the hell is going on here?

Bishop on May 21, 2012 at 4:13 PM

“Wait? What? Nobody cares anymore that I took out Bin Laden? Well then, dammit, those are my troops and I am pulling them out!”

Seriously, AP, how did you miss this take on the decision?

Pakistan will be much more stable with the Taliban and Al Qaeda running Afghanistan. India has to be really pleased with this latest development.

/s

The geopolitical incompetency of the Obama administration is likely to haunt America for years.

PolAgnostic on May 21, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Taliban 1 United States 0
But he captured Bin Laden.

spiritof61 on May 21, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Lightworker in light loafers.

BHO Jonestown on May 21, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Shoulda just turned those Afghan mountains into molehills.

Quicker, easier, cheaper, and a lot less US lives lost.

Time for another Peace Prize for the Jackass in Chief?

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on May 21, 2012 at 4:18 PM

The only way to really win this is to join with India and blitzkreig (or however it`s spelled) Pakistan, seize it`s nukes and destroy it`s war-fighting capacity…….. Odds of that happening are zero.

So why stay? Just use drones, SpecOps as needed/ If the Taliban take over we can easily make life hell for them forever.

ThePrez on May 21, 2012 at 4:18 PM

We will be bugging out through Uzbekistan and Turkmenestan by October of this year. Bet on it.

xkaydet65 on May 21, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Mission Accomplished…
right2bright on May 21, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Obummer can’t say anything that short and sweet – it would have to be something like:
The Mission as I define it, has been Accomplished by me according to my personal definition of the word, as related to the parts that I personally have completed at great peril to my own safety.

dentarthurdent on May 21, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Translation:

I’m giving China everything they want because my internals say I’m one and done.

- Teh Baraky…

cajun carrot on May 21, 2012 at 4:21 PM

But in my reading about the White House’s deliberations over whether to get Bin Laden, the prospect of Pakistani reaction seems to figure rather lightly.

I think you’re right and I agree with that sentiment. The paki’s can pound sand. If they’re harboring UBL and we can aerate his cranium on their soil and flip them the bird on the way out, so be it.

no issues with that call whatsoever.

ted c on May 21, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Taliban 1 United States 0
But he Seal Team 6 captured Bin Laden.

spiritof61 on May 21, 2012 at 4:14 PM

NapaConservative on May 21, 2012 at 4:24 PM

when you’ve got the man behind 9/11 in the crosshairs, you take him out

It’s about the only thing Obama has done right as prez, and, of course, it was a no brainer…

Static21 on May 21, 2012 at 4:24 PM

May our long national nightmare of the Obama administration end in January 2013 as President Romney is sworn into office.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Having milked the shorthanded “Surge” for all it was worth, Obama now does what he planned to do all along, cut and run. And he didn’t bother to ask anyone about it, because he knew what the answer would be: You are turning over the country and its people to the Taliban and Pakistan, you are doing much to render all the blood spilled and treasure spent in vain. You are sending a powerful message to the Islamists that all they must do is bide their time and America’s resolve will weaken.

But Barack Obama doesn’t care about that, and he doesn’t want to hear it. In the meantime, his fecklessness has put all our people over there at greater risk.

novaculus on May 21, 2012 at 4:30 PM

I don’t think any of them ever actually understood it.

LegendHasIt on May 21, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Jennifer Rubin a couple of interesting posts on this issue today. In one of them she made the following obseravation:

In sum, questions — when did Obama give up on Afghanistan, did he lock the military leaders out of the decision-making process, did he consider the implications on the ground of a fast pullout, is he ignoring military assessments concerning Iran and are key national security decisions being made for electoral reasons — are serious and deserve the attention of congressional oversight committees.

Throughout history, and as recently as President George W. Bush’s second term, presidents have been willing to put country over electoral success. Some were willing to take losses (personally or for the party) if needed to secure military success; others understood that whatever Americans’ temporary frustration with war, they are not going to reward a president who sacrifices national security for short term political gains. Is Obama the exception?

In another post she made the point that it was Obama who said Afghanistan was the essential war…after all, he complained that Bush did not try hard enough to win this one..and then when he is the CinC…he just says to hell with it. And he does it for political reasons.

Terrye on May 21, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Timetable for withdrawal defeat.

stout77 on May 21, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Shoulda just turned those Afghan mountains into molehills.
Quicker, easier, cheaper, and a lot less US lives lost.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on May 21, 2012 at 4:18 PM

“The only thing liberal that I want to see is use of nuclear weapon on enemy territory.” Love the quote. Anyway, why molehills? A lake of molten basalt looks very picturesque, or so I would imagine.

Archivarix on May 21, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Another Obama victory created or saved!

de rigueur on May 21, 2012 at 4:35 PM

The thinking in diplomatic circles appears to be two years, so bear that in mind when you hear O and NATO apparatchiks promising “long-term” western support for Afghanistan.

“Long-term” will be about 10 seconds after the last soldier gets on a plane for home, and that plane’s wheels leave the ground.

Barry isn’t there to win. So just get the troops out NOW!

GarandFan on May 21, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Truth, lies and Afghanistan
How military leaders have let us down
By LT. COL. DANIEL L. DAVIS

I spent last year in Afghanistan, visiting and talking with U.S. troops and their Afghan partners. My duties with the Army’s Rapid Equipping Force took me into every significant area where our soldiers engage the enemy. Over the course of 12 months, I covered more than 9,000 miles and talked, traveled and patrolled with troops in Kandahar, Kunar, Ghazni, Khost, Paktika, Kunduz, Balkh, Nangarhar and other provinces.

What I saw bore no resemblance to rosy official statements by U.S. military leaders about conditions on the ground.

Entering this deployment, I was sincerely hoping to learn that the claims were true: that conditions in Afghanistan were improving, that the local government and military were progressing toward self-sufficiency. I did not need to witness dramatic improvements to be reassured, but merely hoped to see evidence of positive trends, to see companies or battalions produce even minimal but sustainable progress.

Instead, I witnessed the absence of success on virtually every level.

http://armedforcesjournal.com/2012/02/8904030

VorDaj on May 21, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Any American who still supports staying in Afcrapistan, the longest war in American history, needs to have his head examined and if our generals were Pinocchio their noses would extend past the moon by now. General grade officers have been carefully selected for their willingness to worship the “COIN” idiocy, which tops even global warming for shear stupidity, and to lie to the American people and to their own troops which they regard as little more than Lab Rats in their Mad Hatter COIN Sociology Experiment which should be rightly called Operation Enduring Insanity, The Ultimate Trillion Dollar Bridge to Nowhere, in Afcrapistan. How many more must lose life or limb for these despicable men’s hubris?

VorDaj on May 21, 2012 at 4:39 PM

OT: dear leader’s response about bain and mitt

PATHETIC answer during his presser

cmsinaz on May 21, 2012 at 4:42 PM

he got in a few I’s and fair share!!

cmsinaz on May 21, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Man, Obama is walking into a minefield in this press conference about Romney’s record at Bain.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Fair share = DRINK! I had a swig of diet green tea.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Zero is sorely in need of David Axelrod and TOTUS.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM

From a friend on the ground -

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr with 4 trillion this place wouldn’t be secure in a trillion years as long as islam is extant. A civilized human being simply cannot deal with, placate, appease or threaten such as muslims and they should all be wiped out. All of us over think the same way since we know our enemy and most of America is in denial or forgetfulness (bliss).

I am working out of Kandahar now and it is a real political and military cess pool, so much muslim ass kissing it is embarrassing to behold. All but one of the Christian churches on this huge camp have been forced by the muslims to remove their cross from atop the peak, but one is still defiant and refuses to do so.

VorDaj on May 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM

The squat heard ’round the world.

I hear the Talib rallying cry already.

hillbillyjim on May 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:42 PM

didn’t he sound plain awful? he’s got bain donors and alot of other donors, tiptoeing…pretty pathetic…

mitt should do well in the debates if he can go for the jugular

cmsinaz on May 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

scary, that’s what I have too…a little arizona green tea

cmsinaz on May 21, 2012 at 4:46 PM

cmsinaz on May 21, 2012 at 4:46 PM

same here – AZ diet green tea.

I am hoping that Romney is fit to pounce during the debates. He’s been vewwwy quiet. Then again, Obama and his slobbering media flunkies have made it easy on Mitt. I think Zero and Co. hold the 60-day record for most screw-ups and campaign implosions that backfired in their faces. Why would Romney need to lift a finger when Zero is perfectly capable of destroying his own campaign?

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Jake Tapper up next.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Jake has questions from troops in Afghanistan.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:52 PM

“I can’t afford a whitewash” says Barry. Spit-take with the AZ green tea.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:53 PM

“‘This should be a good issue for us,’ a Democratic strategist said. ‘If anyone was paying attention.’”

Over 1275 American lives lost. 69% of those combat deaths were during Obama’s time in office. We still have two more years of putting American lives at risk in a combat zone that Obama has already surrendered. It is just wrong! Not one more American life should be put at risk if we are going to announce surrender in May 2012.

And BTW, it is very telling that Obama’s people are more concerned that Obama get the credit than even a single American life put at risk by this filthy Kenyan born traitor! I’ve been watching the show about the bomb patrols on the ground in Afghanistan. What those sailors (Navy EOD in the case of the show) have been asked to do!!! They and all their brothers and sisters in arms deserve better than a two-effing-year timeline for defeat!

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Why would Romney need to lift a finger when Zero is perfectly capable of destroying his own campaign?

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:50 PM

indeed…

just want him to be ready for the softball questions dear leader will get and the hardballs one he’ll receive…

boy he needs that totus something fierce

cmsinaz on May 21, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Tollybon – DRINK!

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Obama must try to understand that bugging out is not the same as winning. Furthermore, simply leaving the scene of the crime does not make the crime disappear.

rplat on May 21, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:54 PM

thank goodness, we are not on the hard stuff yet…

cmsinaz on May 21, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Great, now Zero is implying that the war in AFG is prohibiting economic recovery in the US.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:57 PM

T minus 3 min to 5 p.m. in EDT.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:58 PM

what kind of crap question is that from a chicago journo…

cmsinaz on May 21, 2012 at 4:58 PM

It’s 5 o’clock in Chicago, so maybe it’s OK to drink now.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:58 PM

yup

now he wants everyone to shop

*shaking the head*

cmsinaz on May 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Oops, I meant Newfoundland. Sorry.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

People on unemployment don’t shop for much other than food, Zero.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 5:00 PM

No more stimulus, Zero.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Dana Perino is fit to pounce on The Five.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Taliban 1 United States 0
But he Seal Team 6 captured Bin Laden.

spiritof61 on May 21, 2012 at 4:14 PM

NapaConservative on May 21, 2012 at 4:24 PM

..how many times do you need to be told, they were fighting on his behalf.

Don’t make me stop this car and come back there!

The War Planner on May 21, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Dana Perino is fit to pounce on The Five.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 5:02 PM

..whaaaa? Did Beckel make good on the promise to wear his disco togs in?

The War Planner on May 21, 2012 at 5:03 PM

yup

now he wants everyone to shop

*shaking the head*

cmsinaz on May 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

No… he did not say that… did he?

cajun carrot on May 21, 2012 at 5:04 PM

cajun carrot on May 21, 2012 at 5:04 PM

yepper…

tingles is NOT HAPPY with booker…indicating that he sabotaged obama’s campaign…

cmsinaz on May 21, 2012 at 5:05 PM

I am hoping that Romney is fit to pounce during the debates. He’s been vewwwy quiet.

Philly on May 21, 2012 at 4:50 PM

You expect him to pounce on a 2500 word hit piece concerning a 1965 event that he doesn’t even remember? The 1983 vacation where Seamus rode on the roof rack?

Team Romney is smart to not react to every non-story. The thing that scares me from the presser that just ended was when he said that maximizing profit was not necessarily good- Oh really? When you are an equity company that’s the whole point of the INVESTMENT! Bain gave that steel company eight years more operation than it was going to have without such an investment. Bain turned around some companies that are now successful and employing Americans (unlike Obama’s investments in green companies that immediately go bankrupt and lay off hundreds if not thousands).

Bottom line- Private equity companies are not in business to be charities filled with make-do jobs to keep people paying union dues. There is a reason why they have .com and not .org at the end of their websites.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Obama: “The Afghan war as we understand it is over” in 2014

…AS he understands it!!!!!…WHO’S WE?…I’m not a turd in his fluken pocket! JugEars has NO CLUE!

KOOLAID2 on May 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM

No… he did not say that… did he?

cajun carrot on May 21, 2012 at 5:04 PM

He did but it gets worse. He explained that he is staying at a posh hotel and not his home because of concern about what it would do for Chicago traffic. But he brushed it off as adding to the Chicago economy. He didn’t bother mentioning it was we Americans and not he and the mooch who were footing the bill. Nor the fact that Presidential hotel stays involve renting out whole floors for security reasons. He should have gone home and pissed off a few Chicago motorists who foisted this bastard on the nation in the first place…. They deserve traffic jams.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Wow, BO’s ill-advised surge cost us a thousand soldiers, nothing is changed in Afghanistan and now BO is claiming the war is over………… in a few years.

Is he going to nominate himself for another Peace Prize before the election?

David in ATL on May 21, 2012 at 5:14 PM

They deserve traffic jams.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Heh, you’re generous. My mercy is aligned w/ the Conan Doctrine.

cajun carrot on May 21, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Mission to be accomplished.

princetrumpet on May 21, 2012 at 5:17 PM

tingles is NOT HAPPY with booker…indicating that he sabotaged obama’s campaign…

cmsinaz on May 21, 2012 at 5:05 PM

IMO, it is just the latest misstep from the “super smart” kids on Team Obama. It isn’t necessarily their fault, Obama has never run for high office with a record to defend. They thought they could get away with merely pointing at Romney and repeatedly scream MORMON IN THE HOUSE! Nevertheless, when left leaning sites are referring to Booker’s retraction in terms of a “hostage video” or what the Soviets did when political prisoners were forced to denounce themselves in front of a camera- it isn’t a good thing for Obama’s campaign.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2012 at 5:18 PM

it isn’t a good thing for Obama’s campaign.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2012 at 5:18 PM

yepper…
let’em double down…

cmsinaz on May 21, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Waiting to exhale in November…

d1carter on May 21, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Obama: “The Afghan war as we understand it is over” in 2014

Careful everyone…

This could easily be the Democrat’s strategy to temper a huge loss in November:

Step 1: Obama promises the “end of the Afghan war as we know it by 2014″ knowing that 2014 will not be the end under his or anyone else’s watch.

Step 2: Obama loses re-election

Step 3: Democrats will harp on and on about how if only a Democrat were in office we would be making significant steps to ending our Afghan troop involvement.

Step 4: Democrats win big in 2016 on anti-war sentiment.

As a bonus, if Obama actually does win this November, he can count on the media to sensationalize every slight change in our Afghan involvement as if it were monumental and all Obama’s call.

Vintage on May 21, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Terrye on May 21, 2012 at 4:31 PM

When we leave Afghanistan there will be a mess of epic proportions.

dogsoldier on May 21, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Vintage on May 21, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Laying the groundwork for utter defeat??? I can get behind that…

I’ve been thinking that there’s a whole lot of nest feathering and resume’ padding going on behind the scenes in Camp O’Cluster#*ck.

BigWyo on May 21, 2012 at 6:34 PM

One other point. I think O made the right call on the Bin Laden raid but I’ve never been able to reconcile it strategically with the idea of neutralizing the threat from Pakistan (as opposed to the threat from Al Qaeda specifically). From what I’ve gathered about the fallout from the raid, it humiliated the Pakistani leadership and further entrenched anti-American sentiment within the military and ISI; that hostility probably contributed to the decision later on to close down U.S. supply lines, as well as who knows how many Taliban/Haqqani attacks afterward inside Afghanistan sponsored by ISI as direct reprisals. None of this is meant as criticism of O — when you’ve got the man behind 9/11 in the crosshairs, you take him out, especially if he’s being sheltered by America’s most treacherous “ally.” But in my reading about the White House’s deliberations over whether to get Bin Laden, the prospect of Pakistani reaction seems to figure rather lightly. That’s an odd reaction for a group that believes that reining in the Pakistani terror state is more important that what jihadis like Bin Laden do in Afghanistan.

Allah, I think you’re making the mistake of taking a pathological liar at his word.

Cylor on May 21, 2012 at 6:49 PM

When Afghanistan gained a new American-sponsored constitution that enshrined Islam as a source of law, the war was over and lost. It doesn’t matter when the foreign troops leave, they will leave the same heroin-exporting jihadist pest-hole behind.

David Blue on May 21, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Shoulda just turned those Afghan mountains into molehills.

Quicker, easier, cheaper, and a lot less US lives lost.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on May 21, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Should be The Romney Doctrine.

And every future president’s.

BOMB FROM AFAR.

profitsbeard on May 21, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Half the world leaders are here this week in DC and Thugcity. Its getting no traction in the news. Greece is imploding, a major war is about to start in the middle east, our debt keeps increasing and still crickets. What’s going on here? Everything is swirling around injun Warren and the Romney hardy boy years. Obama is failing on the world stage, he is failing the world stage. But I’m told to take a booker and move along. Nothing to see here.

steveracer on May 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Pakistan is not our friend. They never have been our friend. We don’t have any Muslim friends and never will because we are infidels. Once you learn that everything else falls into place and we can at last form a winning strategy in the Islamic world.

(1) Produce energy (oil, natural gas, coal) at home.
(2) Get out of Islamic world.
(3) Bomb anyone in the Islamic world that annoys us.
(4) Push the Chinese and Russians to become entangled in the Islamic world. China and Russia in Afghanistan = endless entertainment!!!
(5) Repeat.

William Eaton on May 21, 2012 at 8:22 PM

When Afghanistan gained a new American-sponsored constitution that enshrined Islam as a source of law, the war was over and lost. It doesn’t matter when the foreign troops leave, they will leave the same heroin-exporting jihadist pest-hole behind.

David Blue on May 21, 2012 at 6:56 PM

This is the truth.

It would have been like after WWII we enshrined Shinto into the Japanese constitution or allowed the Nazi party to still rule Germany.

William Eaton on May 21, 2012 at 8:32 PM

By looking at this pictures, one would think this was a speech better left to the Secretary of State. It just seem so weird seeing the POTUS looking like he was being subjected to a higher order being the UN. Secretary General. Maybe it was the angle of the camera; but it look like Obama was looking up when he spoke.

tdavisjr on May 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

the war is still on as my son knows it. the taliban are still shooting at him.

the liberals in this country like to ignore the constitution when it suits them.
One day soon the rest of us will ignore it too.
it will not be pretty.

Thicklugdonkey on May 21, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Good, then let’s pull out. Karzai can then collect his richly deserved Taliban bullet, and we can stop throwing money at ignorant, violent barbarians.

mojo on May 22, 2012 at 11:59 AM

It’d be nice to have it over, period.

If you serve you are forbidden from explaining in person exactly what is going on on the ground.

It’s not good.

CorporatePiggy on May 22, 2012 at 4:03 PM