The lessons native to the Warren story

posted at 12:01 pm on May 19, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

We’ve had a lot of laughs at the expense of Elizabeth Warren, which come easy when a person refuses to admit the obvious even after it has been made public, and especially when that refusal keeps the story alive long enough to discover something worse.  Instead of taking Allahpundit’s sage advice to simply say that she relied on oral family history when claiming Cherokee heritage, Warren kept insisting it was true and offered her contributions to a cookbook as evidence.  That led to the discovery that Warren had apparently lifted three of her five recipes from other sources, nearly word for word, adding plagiarism to the list of faux pas on the table in this election.

Joe Fitzgerald takes a more serious tone in the Boston Herald this morning in condemning Warren for illegitimate expropriation of the suffering of others:

She might have gotten away with not having any documentation to back up the identity she claimed, if only she’d exhibited some contrition, but what’s making Elizabeth Warren a pariah, even among liberal sympathizers, is that she still doesn’t have a clue of how egregiously exploitative she appears to be.

That brazen sense of entitlement, so unattractive, apparently makes humility impossible, even if it’s feigned for the purpose of public relations. …

Native Americans were massacred, plundered, displaced and herded onto reservations where misery, depravation [sic] and despair darkened a barren existence. They were described as “merciless savages” when our Declaration of Independence was authored, and well into the 1950s they were still portrayed as barbarians by Hollywood directors and TV cowboys.

Not unlike slavery, it’s a part of our past that now haunts America’s conscience. To Elizabeth Warren, however, it offered great political camouflage, a dramatic touch to her resume, as she claimed to be a descendant of those who suffered mercilessly, as if she was somehow deserving of our sympathies, too.

Please. What she deserves is our contempt.

I don’t disagree with this, but I’d like to put it into some perspective and context.  First, it might still be possible that Warren has some small amount of Native American ancestry; we have seen quite a bit of negations of positive claims, but not necessarily a conclusive negation that traces every ancestor back to the Mayflower, or some such.  It does sound as though Warren heard some family lore along those lines, unless she just flat-out lied for the last several decades, which could also be true.  But it’s worthwhile to point out that there is a large difference between being wrong and lying, which is a difference conservatives like myself have pointed out for years when it came to George Bush’s belief that Saddam Hussein had stockpiled WMDs prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

However, the real problem in this case is the system that incentivized Warren, Harvard, and everyone else to make claims like this in the first place.  Affirmative action programs (and later Equal Opportunity additions) had a well-intentioned purpose to right actual wrongs against certain populations — and it’s hard to imagine two populations with more legitimate grievances than Americans of African or Native heritage.  What started out as a well-intentioned purpose became a mockery in almost no time at all, though, and worse.  These programs incentivized division in America rather than unity.  Instead of just being Americans, we all ended up as hyphenations, the latest of which is “bow-tying white boys.”

Predictably, this led to ridiculous outcomes, like the proclamation that the oh-so-pale Warren was Harvard Law’s “first woman of color.” This points out that it’s not just the Warrens of the world who seek illegitimate benefit from this system of division we have erected.  Warren herself certainly should get criticized for the reasons Fitzgerald mentions; even if she does has 1/32nd Native American ancestry, there is simply no evidence to support the notion that this would have in any way disadvantaged Warren in her education or professional life, or even that anyone would have been aware of it had Warren not proclaimed it herself.  The system exists to undo disadvantage — so what purpose is there for Warren to enter into in it at all?  But while we’re criticizing Warren, let’s not leave out Harvard and all of the other public and private organizations that attempt to benefit from the same disunity.  Harvard had no hesitation to promote its “woman of color” despite her color being roughly peaches-and-cream.

The system itself is corrupt, but worse, it’s utterly corrupting.  That’s the true moral of this story, and we shouldn’t let Warren’s rather large tree blind us to the proverbial forest in this issue.  If we want to address systemic disadvantage, to the extent it still exists, we should be reforming the reservation system and inner-city schools to give those who still are truly disadvantaged a chance to overcome those obstacles, and end the system that incentivizes everyone else to exploit those systems at the expense of the actually disadvantaged.


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Funny—she doesn’t look “Sioux-ish”.

socaguy on May 19, 2012 at 12:03 PM

This old self centered communist is why national moral sets are so necessary, she took the path of least resistance at every turn and let other people pay the fare.

Speakup on May 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM

I don’t disagree with this, but I’d like to put it into some perspective and context. First, it might still be possible that Warren has some small amount of Native American ancestry;

But she didn’t know that until after the story broke. This is called “luck”. And therefore a lie. What seals the deal is the group that she claims kinship with denies it, whats left to argue?

BobMbx on May 19, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Me thinkum squaw Lisbeth “Lying Bull” Warren not make it to Great White Senate, kemo sabe.

wildcat72 on May 19, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Oh, so this is not a “caption this” thread?

redzap on May 19, 2012 at 12:07 PM

This old self centered communist is why national moral sets are so necessary, she took the path of least resistance at every turn and let other people pay the fare.

Speakup on May 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Liberal Lizzie has stated that “no one makes it on their own”, as her “reasoning” for why we ALL owe the bulk of whatever success we achieve to government rather than to our own hard work. It’s easy to believe that when that has been how one has lived her own life. Lisbeth had success handed to her by lying and cheating her way through government affirmative action rather than by hard work and personal effort after all.

wildcat72 on May 19, 2012 at 12:09 PM

If she doesn’t have a CDIB card, she isn’t Native American. Period. You can consider your heritage whatever you want, but that doesn’t make it true.

Meric1837 on May 19, 2012 at 12:12 PM

I disagree that she wasn’t lying. I do agree that it is possible that at first she was just relying on family lore that turned out to be false. But she didn’t just relay a story and leave it at that only later to be found wrong. She double, tripled and quadrupled down on the claim by allowing her workplace to play on her false claim. Even after no records could be found to justify her getting MOENEY and POSITION as a result of the fakery she never backed down. She crossed the rubicon of mere story right to outright LIE long ago.

Warner Todd Huston on May 19, 2012 at 12:12 PM

We’ve had a lot of laughs at the expense of Elizabeth Warren

Please don’t tell me it’s over :(

burrata on May 19, 2012 at 12:13 PM

She is a typical democrat elitist just like all the others in DC, entitled, or a moocher if you prefer.

tim c on May 19, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Just because you mention it, according to reports at the time, WMD were in Iraq and taken to Syria and are there now. Oh, Yaaass. Don’t believe everything you see in a Matt Damon movie.

flicker on May 19, 2012 at 12:15 PM

The sage tweeteths:

Mark Zuckerberg: example of somebody who left Harvard. Elizabeth Warren: example of somebody who stayed there.

http://twitchy.com/2012/05/18/something-interesting-about-harvard/

burrata on May 19, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Warren is a liar and a cheat. That makes her perfectly qualified to serve as a US Senator from Massachusetts.

Rogervzv on May 19, 2012 at 12:17 PM

I’m sticking with ridicule over high cheek-bones and doggie pow wow chow.

aquaviva on May 19, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Funny—she doesn’t look “Sioux-ish”.

socaguy on May 19, 2012 at 12:03 PM

If I were God and could change but one thing, I’d give Hot Air commenters the ability to add a rim shot to awesome puns like this.

hawkdriver on May 19, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Here’s another take home lesson.
Conservatives are given no latitude by the winnowing media and have become better and stronger due to that.
Liberals and leftists are always given a free pass to “get their freak on”, and Princess Laughingstock is an example of what results.

justltl on May 19, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Your point is on target and the only quibble I have is giving her some credit for possibly being wrong rather than lying. If this is so important to her, a DNA test will settle it. But she won’t back down or prove her claim, so it isn’t unreasonable to say she’s lying. Why wouldn’t she want to know the truth? I’ve been told the same thing but until I hear that I could be a beneficiary of a big casino, it’s not that important to me.

cartooner on May 19, 2012 at 12:21 PM

But seriously, do you guys actually think after Blumenthal lied about service in Viet Nam and was still elected, the Donks give a rat’s 4th point about this woman claiming Indian heritage. They’re shameless.

hawkdriver on May 19, 2012 at 12:21 PM

She IS red–like all the Indians communists are!

cartooner on May 19, 2012 at 12:24 PM

She may or may not have Native American roots… either way she speak with big fat forked tongue.
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RalphyBoy on May 19, 2012 at 12:26 PM

But it’s worthwhile to point out that there is a large difference between being wrong and lying, which is a difference conservatives like myself have pointed out for years when it came to George Bush’s belief that Saddam Hussein had stockpiled WMDs prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Yes, there is a difference Ed…. What drives me insane is your constant attempts to make progressives like Obama and Warren to appear duped by their own political brilliance.

Call a lie a lie Ed. Call a liar a liar and be done with it!

Week after week you fight the obvious and draw these ‘measured” conclusions about the most destructive and evil people this country has witnessed!

Time to come off that gray fence Ed and fight the good fight before it’s lost forever.

katy on May 19, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Howie Carr in the Herald did an even better job yesterday of nailing Warren than did Joe Fitzgerald or even Ed.

http://bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1061132396

Chaz on May 19, 2012 at 12:26 PM

But seriously, do you guys actually think after Blumenthal lied about service in Viet Nam and was still elected, the Donks give a rat’s 4th point about this woman claiming Indian heritage. They’re shameless.

hawkdriver on May 19, 2012 at 12:21 PM

it
s not the same, she had tangible benefits from claiming she was of of Indian descent (see her affirmative action Harvard position)…how did Blumenthal benefit from saying he was a Vietnam war veteran? It’s not like he was fraudulently collecting benefits from the VA or something…

jimver on May 19, 2012 at 12:29 PM

My grandfather was a blood brother to an old Indian chief, I have documentation, so am I more Indian than this loser? I mean I have it on a certified document ………. where’s my free stuff…???/

angrymike on May 19, 2012 at 12:30 PM

…she should have married Joe Biden!
(would have been a lovely couple).

KOOLAID2 on May 19, 2012 at 12:31 PM

“I’m an Indian Too”

Rebar on May 19, 2012 at 12:22 PM

And that’s how you do it. Laugh, jab, poke… and then strike.

de rigueur on May 19, 2012 at 12:31 PM

But seriously, do you guys actually think after Blumenthal lied about service in Viet Nam and was still elected, the Donks give a rat’s 4th point about this woman claiming Indian heritage. They’re shameless.

hawkdriver on May 19, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Agreed. The left condones lying as part of their world-view. I saw this repeatedly in the courtroom, where leftists would lie to get onto juries so that they could impose their view of “justice.” Truth, honesty, and integrity are, to them, meaningless hurdles imposed by dead old white men to keep everyone else down.

GaltBlvnAtty on May 19, 2012 at 12:32 PM

I’m sort of getting tired of Warren sucking up all the space at hotair. It’s just one race out of 50 states or more. Yes, in Jan ’10 the Scott Brown race was the only race in town, and its outcome, we thought, would determine the fate of Obamacare.

On Obamacare, in ~ Feb ’10 we got complacent. Like when Dana Perino was asked by Hannity for her prognosis on Obamacare, she said “it won’t pass!” Mistake! She should have said that it may look dead, but the liberals are very tricky, and they are going to try to sneak it through, we need to remain on guard, and “it’s not dead yet!”

anotherJoe on May 19, 2012 at 12:32 PM

When I was 5, I got a bow and arrow set for Christmas. I could only assume I was native American and my parents were trying to support my heritage. Although both of them are Scotch-Irish.

Its a good thing that I can celebrate both cultures by merely getting drunk.

BobMbx on May 19, 2012 at 12:34 PM

she claimed, if only she’d exhibited some contrition, but what’s making Elizabeth Warren a pariah, even among liberal sympathizers

Will the dems pull her from the race? Someone asked Howie Carr during his radio show the other day if the governor might replace her with someone else.

Can they do that?

The system itself is corrupt, but worse, it’s utterly corrupting. That’s the true moral of this story, and we shouldn’t let Warren’s rather large tree blind us to the proverbial forest in this issue.

I agree, but every attempt to end the program causes a huge eruption of nonsense from the left. You would think it’s 1812 instead of 2012.

dogsoldier on May 19, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Really, the document says, Certification of adoption and honorary membership in the Mohawk Tribe……. so I really am more Indian then her…….. These ppl disgust me………..

angrymike on May 19, 2012 at 12:34 PM

But it’s worthwhile to point out that there is a large difference between being wrong and lying.

Um….no. When you make absolutely no attempt to prove you’re right, while reaping the “benefits” of being wrong, that’s close enough for me.

It became “lying” when she continued being “wrong” when she was proven “wrong”.

Got a literal liberal in ya don’t ya Ed?
I’d say around 1/32.

Tim_CA on May 19, 2012 at 12:35 PM

The system itself is corrupt, but worse, it’s utterly corrupting. That’s the true moral of this story, and we shouldn’t let Warren’s rather large tree blind us to the proverbial forest in this issue.

Finding some amusement in the discomfort of a lying liberal hypocrite exposed is fine. More important is to stand back and see the events in perspective.

We need to unite as a country to deal with the serious challenges we face as a country. Officially dividing ourselves by race into preference groups is divisive.

novaculus on May 19, 2012 at 12:37 PM

jimver on May 19, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Not sure why I even respond to your comments. But let me try it again. I don’t give a crap about what the candidate’s motivations were. I was talking about how the democrats see their own.

hawkdriver on May 19, 2012 at 12:38 PM

If I were God and could change but one thing, I’d give Hot Air commenters the ability to add a rim shot to awesome puns like this.

hawkdriver on May 19, 2012 at 12:18 PM

.
http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=rimshot

mrt721 on May 19, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Ed opines: The system itself is corrupt, but worse, it’s utterly corrupting.

Welcome to America. This is what we’ve become, and continue on, even moreso.

Paul-Cincy on May 19, 2012 at 12:38 PM

They were “merciless savages”, a totally accurate description. What would you call scalping people and murdering white families? Check out the “savages” history instead of portraying them as total victims.

Mr. Sun on May 19, 2012 at 12:38 PM

The election of 2012 is so important, not only because of the Supreme Court and the rest, but more importantly to decide if this country will go forward on the basis of lies, not believed, but met with indifference by the majority of voters. Indifference about the truth will kill our Republic, and us along with it.

claudius on May 19, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Well, said Ed. However, how are you going to right those wrongs with government and politicians? The corruption is just not in the righting of wrongs for certain groups, the corruption just seems inherent in massive government. I’d rather trust righting wrongs without government taking a major role. Government might say a few words of encouragement and arrest those who break the law, but implementing a program with large sums of money, I don’t think so.

Charm on May 19, 2012 at 12:40 PM

GaltBlvnAtty on May 19, 2012 at 12:32 PM

I know the progressives see the judiciary as an extention of the ballot box. The stories I’m sure you could tell us.

hawkdriver on May 19, 2012 at 12:41 PM

“I’m an Indian Too”

Rebar on May 19, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Worth watching over and over again, just for the totem pole!

burrata on May 19, 2012 at 12:41 PM

http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=rimshot

mrt721 on May 19, 2012 at 12:38 PM

God, is that you? :-)

hawkdriver on May 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Think Ward Churchill will be suing for plagiary?

Joe Mama on May 19, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Mr Sun
I don’t want to debate you on this But, if the government came to your neighborhood and told you that you had to GTFO, your opinion would probably change just a little bit……..

angrymike on May 19, 2012 at 12:44 PM

They were “merciless savages”, a totally accurate description. What would you call scalping people and murdering white families? Check out the “savages” history instead of portraying them as total victims.

Mr. Sun on May 19, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Those activities weren’t developed for use against white settlers. They were tried and true methods of territorial expansion and slave trading.

The only difference between Indians and Europeans was that Europeans had better fashion sense even then.

BobMbx on May 19, 2012 at 12:44 PM

depravation [sic

Hmmm, if that the measure, Warren sure fits.

forest on May 19, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Steyn:

Teepee Party candidate

…then the white man came and now the Oklahoma crab is extinct, and at the Cherokee clambakes they have to make do with Mrs. Warren’s traditional Five Tribes recipe for Cherokee Lime Pie.

Heh.

mudskipper on May 19, 2012 at 12:50 PM

I don’t disagree with this, but I’d like to put it into some perspective and context.

Uh-Oh Ed Ed Ed…where are we going here?

However, the real problem in this case is the system that incentivized Warren, Harvard, and everyone else to make claims like this in the first place.

Beg to differ Ed. Methinks a bad character flaw, on Ms Warrens part, is the real problem…..Ed, you are giving Ms Warren cover and ‘victim status’ !

As for your third big paragraph, just more embellishment and fodder for the “system that incentivized Warren,” hypothesis.

Nope.Sorry Ed, BigSven ain’t buying it. Millions of us play by the rules.

BigSven buys into the she’s a“dirty rotten lying scoundrel” hypothesis.

BigSven on May 19, 2012 at 12:50 PM

[T]he Donks give a rat’s 4th point about this woman claiming Indian heritage. They’re shameless.

hawkdriver on May 19, 2012 at 12:21 PM

I doubt most of them even know about it. I assume only conservative media outlets are covering the story.

I’m sort of getting tired of Warren sucking up all the space at hotair.

anotherJoe on May 19, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Me, too. We get it. She’s a shameless fool.

Syzygy on May 19, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Yes, there is a difference Ed…. What drives me insane is your constant attempts to make progressives like Obama and Warren to appear duped by their own political brilliance.

Call a lie a lie Ed. Call a liar a liar and be done with it!

Week after week you fight the obvious and draw these ‘measured” conclusions about the most destructive and evil people this country has witnessed!

Time to come off that gray fence Ed and fight the good fight before it’s lost forever.

katy on May 19, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Ed and the rest of Salem’s Lot still think that the left will eventually play fair if one doesn’t confront them in their lies and instead accept their crap as simple mistakes.

Rio Linda Refugee on May 19, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Agreed. The left condones lying as part of their world-view. I saw this repeatedly in the courtroom, where leftists would lie to get onto juries so that they could impose their view of “justice.” Truth, honesty, and integrity are, to them, meaningless hurdles imposed by dead old white men to keep everyone else down.

GaltBlvnAtty on May 19, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Yeah, that is pretty much the MO of Muslim terroist. I can’t understand how half the country supports these people.

Alabama Infidel on May 19, 2012 at 12:57 PM

You know, I’ve never seen a picture of her and Ward Churchill together. Do you suppose………….?

50sGuy on May 19, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Just because you mention it, according to reports at the time, WMD were in Iraq and taken to Syria and are there now. Oh, Yaaass. Don’t believe everything you see in a Matt Damon movie.
flicker on May 19, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Really? I have heard that since I was deployed to Iraq in 2003-2004. If that were true, how come the Bush administration capitulated on the existence of WMD’s? What do you think you know that they did not? You are just passing along an urban legend.

If the WMD’s ended up in Syria, why haven’t we followed up on that? You need to let it go at some point. It was a pointless mission based on lies.

iwasbornwithit on May 19, 2012 at 1:01 PM

It was a pointless mission based on lies.

iwasbornwithit on May 19, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Don’t tell the Kurds that.

hawkdriver on May 19, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Please don’t tell me it’s over :(

burrata on May 19, 2012 at 12:13 PM

I hope not too – the jokes just wrote themselves over this one!

shaloma on May 19, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Please. What she deserves is our contempt.

…and to be mocked into oblivion.

HA commenter inthetoilet will be by shortly to defend her.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2012 at 1:06 PM

If she knowingly claimed to be 1/32 falsely, then isn’t that fraud?

Seems to me, other than the statute of limitations perhaps, something actionable.

Fraud, like so much we’re learning about B.O.

ProfShadow on May 19, 2012 at 1:06 PM

They were “merciless savages”, a totally accurate description. What would you call scalping people and murdering white families? Check out the “savages” history instead of portraying them as total victims.

Mr. Sun on May 19, 2012 at 12:38 PM

The Trail of Tears was pretty merciless and savage too. I’m no bleeding-heart blame-America-first liberal, but that was one hell of an ugly chapter in our history.

And you might want to read up on the Cherokee, Choctaw, Creek, Seminole, and Chickasaw. They were called “The Five Civilized Tribes” for a reason, and their removal was completely unjust and unwarranted.

Walter Sobchak on May 19, 2012 at 1:07 PM

“But she parts her hair in the middle and wears it long! Just like an American Indian!”

Paul-Cincy on May 19, 2012 at 1:09 PM

But seriously, do you guys actually think after Blumenthal lied about service in Viet Nam and was still elected, the Donks give a rat’s 4th point about this woman claiming Indian heritage. They’re shameless.

hawkdriver on May 19, 2012 at 12:21 PM

it
s not the same, she had tangible benefits from claiming she was of of Indian descent (see her affirmative action Harvard position)…how did Blumenthal benefit from saying he was a Vietnam war veteran? It’s not like he was fraudulently collecting benefits from the VA or something…

jimver on May 19, 2012 at 12:29 PM

You need to ask? Both attempted to claim tangible benefits by promoting phony narratives. Blumenthal got away with his sad piece of fiction because it turns out he didn’t need to concoct it in the first place…the majority of CT voters are too addicted to the tax-and-spend policies of the left for a resume to matter. Leftists have learned that all the bromides about “character” and “qualifications” are irrelevant. Senators are simply vessels whose votes reflect the popular wills of their constituents. Over-elaborating their roles beyond that simply inflates their arrogance and self-righteousness.

fitzfong on May 19, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Howie Carr in the Herald did an even better job yesterday of nailing Warren than did Joe Fitzgerald or even Ed.

http://bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1061132396

Chaz on May 19, 2012 at 12:26 PM

‘…somebody on the Internet yesterday asked whether she had a recipe for a dessert. You know, like, “Occu-pie.” ‘

Nice!

dont taze me bro on May 19, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Great post Ed. This really puts things in perspective. Most outlets are relegating this Warren situation as much ado about nothing. As you noted though, she truly does deserve our contempt for trying to take advantage of the disadvantaged like this. Liberals should be the most outraged of anyone for Warren compromising their prized equalizer.

This story also really frames a change that needs to be made in “affirmative action.” If you want to level the playing field, look at income, not race. There are plenty of black people who don’t need a boost and there are a hell of a lot of poor white people who do.

kmalkows on May 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM

…after all of this…she is what she is…a BEYOTCH!

KOOLAID2 on May 19, 2012 at 1:17 PM

If she knowingly claimed to be 1/32 falsely, then isn’t that fraud?

Seems to me, other than the statute of limitations perhaps, something actionable.

Fraud, like so much we’re learning about B.O.

ProfShadow on May 19, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Yeah but in the Harvard case if they sued for fraud it would be admitting that there was a detriment from having hired her (i.e., they had an inferior product) and they would never admit that. It would be interesting to see if she used this claim in any other context where someone would be willing to claim a detriment…

kmalkows on May 19, 2012 at 1:20 PM

First, it might still be possible that Warren has some small amount of Native American ancestry…It does sound as though Warren heard some family lore along those lines.

Family lore is not necessarily a truthful resource; indeed, it’s often the reverse.

For years we Jewish children were told that our last names weren’t those of Old Europe because the immigration officers at Ellis Island changed our names, either because they couldn’t pronounce them or to deterge our grimy heritage.

Then researchers discovered, no, it was the immigrants themselves who replaced their old names, which were a “little too Jewish.”

Needless to say, it’s a lot easier for Jewish parents to tell their children that some goyische Nazi guard at Ellis Island is responsible for you being a Letterman than a Lieberman, rather than because your zayde sought de-Judificiation.

bobs1196 on May 19, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Regardless of whether she actually has native american heritage or not (since it seems her family goes back at least to the 1700s she probably is native american in some way), those “checkboxes” are to assist those who actually suffered some form of discrimination/oppression due to their racial makeup or ethnicity.

How many actual minorities applied for those jobs at Penn and Harvard but were passed over for a “woman of color” who not only claimed a miniscule 1/32 minority heritage but did so with such a flimsy and undocumented claim of “family lore” and “high cheekbones”?

Newman65 on May 19, 2012 at 1:24 PM

While I agree with the sentiments expressed regarding the affirmative actions programs and how toxic they’ve become, I would also point out that the Native Americans were not simply innocents who were persecuted and ‘massacred’ by the white colonists and settlers, or, later, the federal government.

If you peruse any decent history book and the records of settlements and forts across the nation, you’ll find plenty of evidence that the American Indians, AKA Native Americans, committed a wide variety of atrocities in their own right and their reputation as ‘savages’ at least in the minds of their victims and the victims families, was well earned.

Its best to begin with the actual history of the Mayflower colonists and Myles Standish, who essentially selected the sight of the first compound and the placement of the ships guns and was charged with defending the colony from its inception when he was hired by the colonist to provide for their security. With the events surrounding the formation of the first colony as a basis a study, moving forward through actual historical events renders a much clearer picture of Native Americans and colonists/settlers than the ‘First Thanksgiving’ account.

While I agree that the reservation system needs to be overhauled, that cannot be accomplished without the cooperation of the tribes. They are essentially a sovereign nation. Further, many tribes have grown wealthy with the casino’s and the very lucrative leases for property that they still hold…. as they do with much of Palm Springs, California and other portions of the Coachella Valley where people purchase a home AND pay lease payments back to the tribe for the land upon which it sits as do local businesses. If the tribal leaders haven’t seen that the wealth of these endeavors and holdings are more equally divided among the members of the tribe, and they haven’t invested in better health care and education for their members, there is little that can be done legally externally to remedy that situation.

In cases where the federal bureau is all that sustains a particular tribe, the case for revamping the system is far clearer, however, beyond better health care ( its worth noting that Native Americans ARE on federal health care single payer system and the saying on many reservations is ‘Don’t get sick after June… because the government is already our of money and you can’t get treated.’) and better educational opportunities, and clean water systems, there is little that can be done to improve conditions on the reservations since even building codes that apply to non- reservation properties locally cannot be enforced on a reservation.

The fact is that no one is forced to remain on the reservation. Anyone who wishes to leave the reservation and get an education and/or a job and build a life is free to do so and affirmative action programs will help them to do that with admission to schools and preferential hiring practices.

It is THESE Native Americans, those who leave the reservation in order to garner a better education and a better life, whom Elizabeth Warren has robbed of an opportunity by falsely insisting that she is one of them, and with the willing assistance of Harvard, has assumed a position that was meant for one of them.

thatsafactjack on May 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM

It was a pointless mission based on lies.

iwasbornwithit on May 19, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Bmore on May 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Ed, if Warren really believed she had Cherokee ancestry why did she plagiarize recipes for Pow Wow Chow cook book? An article in the NYT for French cuisine not even Oklahoma publication? It doesn’t jive. If Warren was so proud of her Native American Heritage, why didn’t she at least submit her high cheek bones Granny’s recipes? Every opportunity Elizabeth Warren has been given to explain her tangential connection to the Cherokee people, has been followed up with offense “Crap” Pow Wow Chow Cookbooks, and memories of photos of Grannies with High Cheekbones.

I remember when an American Indian made the news cycle, because she was upset that Seal Team 6 used the name Geronimo, where is her outrage now?

Dr Evil on May 19, 2012 at 1:27 PM

t s not the same, she had tangible benefits from claiming she was of of Indian descent (see her affirmative action Harvard position)…

From what I’ve heard, and this seems to confirm it, faculty aa at Harvard is kinda a joke. The factthat they had to tout Warren just goes to show that they were never actually concerned with diversity, and and probably rarely used affirmative action.

red_herring on May 19, 2012 at 1:28 PM

The system exists to undo disadvantage — so what purpose is there for Warren to enter into in it at all?

The same question could be asked of Barack Obama. What disadvantage did he suffer growing up in Hawaii, the son of a white mother and a Kenyan father? Obama attended an exclusive private school in Oahu, along with other children of privilege. Why was he “entitled” to breaks and special benefits that those other kids were not?

By his own admission, Obama spent his two years at Occidental College smoking weed, skipping class, and snorting blow, when he could afford it. It appears that Obama’s record did not qualify him for admission to Ivy League Columbia University on its own merits, so we can only assume his admission was an Aff*rmative Act*on gift, to assuage all the “suffering” he’d experienced as a privileged black kid in Hawaii. It certainly had nothing to do with slavery or even Jim Crow, because Obama’s Kenyan father had come to the U.S. — willingly and eagerly — as an adult in the 1960′s, to take advantage of the superior U.S. educational system. Obama, Sr., didn’t come to the U.S. in chains, nor had any of his ancestors. And Obama’s mother’s family had been slave owners, so clearly no reparations were due there either.

A few years ago, Obama was asked if his own daughters should ever be the beneficiaries of Aff*rmative Act*on, and he refused to say no. Do we really need a better example than this of how ludicrous this system has become?

AZCoyote on May 19, 2012 at 1:28 PM

inner-city schools to give those who still are truly disadvantaged a chance to overcome those obstacles, and end the system that incentivizes everyone else to exploit those systems at the expense of the actually disadvantaged.

Has anyone ever stopped to think that the Thug Lifesytle is preferred by many in the inner cities? Womb to tomb government programs and welfare has become a way of life.

Anyone who wants out can get out. It’s easier to stay on uncle pookie’s couch wearing the house slippers waitin’ on the next gubmint check. Why bother?

Key West Reader on May 19, 2012 at 1:29 PM

How many actual minorities applied for those jobs at Penn and Harvard but were passed over for a “woman of color” who not only claimed a miniscule 1/32 minority heritage but did so with such a flimsy and undocumented claim of “family lore” and “high cheekbones”?

Newman65 on May 19, 2012 at 1:24 PM

I would like to know. I guess this is going to be like John Edwards and his love child. We are going to have to wait for the National Enquirer to investigate. The MSM isn’t interested in uncovering fraud at institutions of higher learning.

Dr Evil on May 19, 2012 at 1:30 PM

I don’t disagree with this, but I’d like to put it into some perspective and context. First, it might still be possible that Warren has some small amount of Native American ancestry

Ed, you sound like Bill O’Reilly when he’s acting as if there are two equal sides to every story no matter what. Even when he has loons for guests. In fact, Limbaugh busted him for just that. “Now, wait a minute, these Marxists have an equally valid point . . . .”

rdbrewer on May 19, 2012 at 1:38 PM

We know more about who Elizabeth Warren is NOT than who Barack Obama is.

Resist We Much on May 19, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Leftists have learned that all the bromides about “character” and “qualifications” are irrelevant. Senators are simply vessels whose votes reflect the popular wills of their constituents. Over-elaborating their roles beyond that simply inflates their arrogance and self-righteousness.

fitzfong on May 19, 2012 at 1:10 PM

you are probably right about that…

jimver on May 19, 2012 at 1:39 PM

thatsafactjack on May 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Hey Andrew Jackson, the majority of attrocities committed by Natives upon colonists and later Americans came after they entered into treaties which were continually broken. The indigenous peoples did not have the firepower to hold the Europeans back and entered into these pacts in good faith and were routinely screwed over.

Rio Linda Refugee on May 19, 2012 at 1:40 PM

She’s crushing our heads!

(Sorry, old “Kids in the Hall” reference.)

crosspatch on May 19, 2012 at 1:41 PM

This is what she is doing in that photo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pKXMcfx1d8

crosspatch on May 19, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Mr. Sun on May 19, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Indians did count coup – french word, but do you know where the practice of Scalping came from?

Dr Evil on May 19, 2012 at 1:45 PM

It was a pointless mission based on lies.

iwasbornwithit on May 19, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Bmore on May 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM

What were the “lies”? Credible, multi-sourced cites only, please.

While you’re looking, a couple of reminders.

1. Many Democrats, including our current “Secretary of State” and also the 2004 Democrat “Candidate” for President, also believed those “lies”; in fact Mrs. Clinton said she based her “yea” vote not on what Bush and Cheney told Congress, but what her own husband’s intel people told her. You remember them; they were the same ones who left Bush the 9/11 attacks.

2. You both seem to think that the only reason we went into Iraq was because of those WMDs; this shows either simple ignorance or willful stupidity. I would suggest that both of you, and the rest of your fellow Kool-Aid Drinkers, take the time to read the entire text of the 2002 Authorization. If you do, you will find that there were at least 11 other reasons we were going in.

3. It is entirely possible that some WMDs were moved to Syria before the war started; several former Iraqi military people have said so. We’ll never know until Assad is gone, and even then…

4. It’s also entirely possible that Saddam hid the WMDs in Iraq someplace so well that we still haven’t found them. Last time I checked, Iraq is about the same size square mileage-wise as California, and we still haven’t found many missing airplanes that have disappeared over that state, some of which vanished decades ago. Heck, we had a Lear Jet crash just to my north here in New Hampshire in 1996, and they didn’t find the wreckage for 3 years.

And as for calling the Iraq mission “pointless”, you’re right. Saddam Hussein and his 2 WMD sons would be doing a much better job in Iraq than those running the show now.

OK, please give us the WMD Lies. Remember, credible and multi-sourced!

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2012 at 1:46 PM

“She might have gotten away with not having any documentation to back up the identity she claimed, if only she’d exhibited some contrition, but what’s making Elizabeth Warren a pariah, even among liberal sympathizers, is that she still doesn’t have a clue of how egregiously exploitative she appears to be.”

She might have gotten away with it had we only had the democrat media to rely on. Instead conservative bloggers and pundits grabbed on like pit bulls to reveal the fraud.

FIFY.

greasywrench on May 19, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Do you think that the Mass electorate, who voted for a murdering POS who left a girl to suffocate in the back of a car, will even blink at voting for a mere liar and plagiarizer?

MaiDee on May 19, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Hubert H Humphrey said there weren’t going to be any quotas.

GarandFan on May 19, 2012 at 1:48 PM

There is another issue here, too, Ed, which you left out. The “diversity” industry tells us, ad nauseum, that there is “value” in diversity, that diversity it is “good for us,” that we “learn more” in diverse environments. So what, exactly, was the value Harvard thought Elizabeth Warren would bring? What were her students going to learn from her that was any different than what they would learn from their “self-described” white professors? What was the “good” in checking the diversity box by hiring her, other than being able to pat themselves on the back for checking that box? This story, and Harvard’s place in it, reveals the diversity con in all of its ugly splendor. Its strongest proponents, Harvard among them, don’t believe in any inherent “value” in diversity anymore than I do. It is simply another vanity accessory of the left, like reusable grocery bags, hybrid Toyotas, and free-range chicken. It doesn’t change anything, doesn’t help anything, has no actual value at all, but it lets them congratulate themselves about how progressive they are, how helpful they are, how wonderfully inclusive they are. And it’s all fake.

Rational Thought on May 19, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Yeah, that is pretty much the MO of Muslim terroist. I can’t understand how half the country supports these people.

Alabama Infidel on May 19, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Apathy, Indifference, Dependency, Ignorance, Immaturity, Brainwashing.

They are fed a steady stream of distraction by corporate media.

Make a public example out of anyone that tries to leave the statist reservation, that should be known as the EPA rule. Come into a village like Roman Centurions, crucify some people, and the rest will fall in line. Example, SEE DOJ sues Arizona.

Dr Evil on May 19, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Elizabeth Warren as the Lone Stranger and her Indian Pronto.

See how Pronto gets treated in this skit.

ted c on May 19, 2012 at 1:56 PM

It was a pointless mission based on lies.

iwasbornwithit on May 19, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Democrats, both before and after Bush became POTUS, claimed that Saddam Hussein had WMDs…including even Maerose Prizzi:

“I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. … Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons.”

- Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (D, CA) Addressing the US House of Representatives, 10 October 2002 Congressional Record, p. H7777

Hypocrisy Alert! Clinton, Kerry, Gore & Other Democrats Call for War Against Saddam’s Iraq

Resist We Much on May 19, 2012 at 2:00 PM

The system itself is corrupt, but worse, it’s utterly corrupting.

I’ll have to disagree with you there, Ed. Systems are inanimate objects and its the people within them that lead to this corruption. The system was built under the premise that Native Americans were mistreated and/or maltreated for centuries and corrections were to be made as a result. The corruption comes when a person such as Ms. Warren comes along, latches onto some contrived heritage, and subsequently climbs the ladder of success as a result of that contrived heritage. Moreover, Harvard enabled her to do so. It’s like guns–guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Moreover, systems don’t become corrupt, people within systems use them corruptly.
2 cent

ted c on May 19, 2012 at 2:00 PM

The real place to watch is Harvard. While the faculty may be just to the Right of Stalin, the business office knows there are federal rules that must be met.
Supporting a faux Native American just isn’t done. Bad form and all.
Just because it’s not illegal doesn’t mean she can’t be fired for lying on her job application.

J_Crater on May 19, 2012 at 2:01 PM

If Massachusetts puts her in office, they deserve her. Unfortunately the rest of the country does not.

vityas on May 19, 2012 at 2:03 PM

This story, and Harvard’s place in it, reveals the diversity con in all of its ugly splendor. Its strongest proponents, Harvard among them, don’t believe in any inherent “value” in diversity anymore than I do. It is simply another vanity accessory of the left, like reusable grocery bags, hybrid Toyotas, and free-range chicken. It doesn’t change anything, doesn’t help anything, has no actual value at all, but it lets them congratulate themselves about how progressive they are, how helpful they are, how wonderfully inclusive they are. And it’s all fake.

Rational Thought on May 19, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Until this story broke, I had NO IDEA, (and to be fair didn’t really care) that Harvard Law school only had professors who had graduated from Harvard with the exception of diversity hire Ms. Warren, D-Cherokee, of Rutgers. If that doesn’t shout lack of diversity I have no idea what does. How in the world can you be anything but an echo chamber if all your professors spent their educational and professional lives on the very same campus? Having single professor who was even 32/32 Cherokee wouldn’t help that sort of inbreeding. And they joke about rednecks marrying their sisters. Sheesh!

Lily on May 19, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Hey Del, How ya doing? I don’t reckon the little cowardly turd dropping troll is coming back. I’m a little busy with work today and can only check once every so often. That one caught my eye of course. Do me a fav, if it does come back around, do what ya can to show it the door. A nice breeze is always welcomed. ; )

Bmore on May 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Do you think that the Mass electorate, who voted for a murdering POS who left a girl to suffocate in the back of a car, will even blink at voting for a mere liar and plagiarizer?

MaiDee on May 19, 2012 at 1:48 PM

The hardcore dems and socialist crazies will for sure. Having said that, even among moderate dems in Mass. Warren is now a pariah. She cannot go anywhere with being asked about this and the story hasn’t left the front page of the Herald much in the last three weeks.

Dems have shown an eagerness to use whatever they can against an opponent. They see politics as a dirty street fight. As much as one prefers not to, when one finds oneself in a street fight one must act accordingly, IMHO or get the snot kicked out of you.

I wish it were otherwise, but it isn’t.

dogsoldier on May 19, 2012 at 2:09 PM

“She cannot go anywhere with” should read “without.” Apologies.

dogsoldier on May 19, 2012 at 2:10 PM

All collectivist, well-intentioned government schemes turn even good people into entitled jerks. When the individual is devalued, society rots.

runningpundit on May 19, 2012 at 2:11 PM

If Lizzie doesn’t win the election, can she build a casino as a consolation prize?

Special Forces Grunt on May 19, 2012 at 2:12 PM

I wonder if this Harvard debacle (Obama and Warren) will be the prick that bursts the higher education bubble.

Key West Reader on May 19, 2012 at 2:12 PM

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