The lessons native to the Warren story

posted at 12:01 pm on May 19, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

We’ve had a lot of laughs at the expense of Elizabeth Warren, which come easy when a person refuses to admit the obvious even after it has been made public, and especially when that refusal keeps the story alive long enough to discover something worse.  Instead of taking Allahpundit’s sage advice to simply say that she relied on oral family history when claiming Cherokee heritage, Warren kept insisting it was true and offered her contributions to a cookbook as evidence.  That led to the discovery that Warren had apparently lifted three of her five recipes from other sources, nearly word for word, adding plagiarism to the list of faux pas on the table in this election.

Joe Fitzgerald takes a more serious tone in the Boston Herald this morning in condemning Warren for illegitimate expropriation of the suffering of others:

She might have gotten away with not having any documentation to back up the identity she claimed, if only she’d exhibited some contrition, but what’s making Elizabeth Warren a pariah, even among liberal sympathizers, is that she still doesn’t have a clue of how egregiously exploitative she appears to be.

That brazen sense of entitlement, so unattractive, apparently makes humility impossible, even if it’s feigned for the purpose of public relations. …

Native Americans were massacred, plundered, displaced and herded onto reservations where misery, depravation [sic] and despair darkened a barren existence. They were described as “merciless savages” when our Declaration of Independence was authored, and well into the 1950s they were still portrayed as barbarians by Hollywood directors and TV cowboys.

Not unlike slavery, it’s a part of our past that now haunts America’s conscience. To Elizabeth Warren, however, it offered great political camouflage, a dramatic touch to her resume, as she claimed to be a descendant of those who suffered mercilessly, as if she was somehow deserving of our sympathies, too.

Please. What she deserves is our contempt.

I don’t disagree with this, but I’d like to put it into some perspective and context.  First, it might still be possible that Warren has some small amount of Native American ancestry; we have seen quite a bit of negations of positive claims, but not necessarily a conclusive negation that traces every ancestor back to the Mayflower, or some such.  It does sound as though Warren heard some family lore along those lines, unless she just flat-out lied for the last several decades, which could also be true.  But it’s worthwhile to point out that there is a large difference between being wrong and lying, which is a difference conservatives like myself have pointed out for years when it came to George Bush’s belief that Saddam Hussein had stockpiled WMDs prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

However, the real problem in this case is the system that incentivized Warren, Harvard, and everyone else to make claims like this in the first place.  Affirmative action programs (and later Equal Opportunity additions) had a well-intentioned purpose to right actual wrongs against certain populations — and it’s hard to imagine two populations with more legitimate grievances than Americans of African or Native heritage.  What started out as a well-intentioned purpose became a mockery in almost no time at all, though, and worse.  These programs incentivized division in America rather than unity.  Instead of just being Americans, we all ended up as hyphenations, the latest of which is “bow-tying white boys.”

Predictably, this led to ridiculous outcomes, like the proclamation that the oh-so-pale Warren was Harvard Law’s “first woman of color.” This points out that it’s not just the Warrens of the world who seek illegitimate benefit from this system of division we have erected.  Warren herself certainly should get criticized for the reasons Fitzgerald mentions; even if she does has 1/32nd Native American ancestry, there is simply no evidence to support the notion that this would have in any way disadvantaged Warren in her education or professional life, or even that anyone would have been aware of it had Warren not proclaimed it herself.  The system exists to undo disadvantage — so what purpose is there for Warren to enter into in it at all?  But while we’re criticizing Warren, let’s not leave out Harvard and all of the other public and private organizations that attempt to benefit from the same disunity.  Harvard had no hesitation to promote its “woman of color” despite her color being roughly peaches-and-cream.

The system itself is corrupt, but worse, it’s utterly corrupting.  That’s the true moral of this story, and we shouldn’t let Warren’s rather large tree blind us to the proverbial forest in this issue.  If we want to address systemic disadvantage, to the extent it still exists, we should be reforming the reservation system and inner-city schools to give those who still are truly disadvantaged a chance to overcome those obstacles, and end the system that incentivizes everyone else to exploit those systems at the expense of the actually disadvantaged.


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I have to ask, if having a “woman of color” was such big important thing for Harvard, why not hire someone where there is no doubt? Just like with The Won, they expect never to be questioned. I don’t care if Prof. Warren is or isn’t some small fraction Native American, she still shouldn’t have profited from it.

Cindy Munford on May 19, 2012 at 2:12 PM

They were described as “merciless savages” when our Declaration of Independence was authored, and well into the 1950s they were still portrayed as barbarians by Hollywood directors and TV cowboys.

There is a bit of truth in those statements. Yes, there were atrocities committed by the Europeans and evil actions and broke agreements. However, the native Americans weren’t this kum-bay-ya bunch of nature loving peaceful people. They raided one anothers’ villages, their religious ceremonies were often brutal savage affairs, they would camp in one place until it became unlivable then move on. The Five Civilized Tribes were more civil, but this myth that, but for the Europeans, the native Americans would have this peaceful, harmonious existence and that they were angelic beings is a bunch of bunk

AZfederalist on May 19, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Until this story broke, I had NO IDEA, (and to be fair didn’t really care) that Harvard Law school only had professors who had graduated from Harvard with the exception of diversity hire Ms. Warren, D-Cherokee, of Rutgers. If that doesn’t shout lack of diversity I have no idea what does. How in the world can you be anything but an echo chamber if all your professors spent their educational and professional lives on the very same campus? Having single professor who was even 32/32 Cherokee wouldn’t help that sort of inbreeding. And they joke about rednecks marrying their sisters. Sheesh!

Lily on May 19, 2012 at 2:04 PM

That’s my point. Ed wrote that “The system exists to undo disadvantage — so what purpose is there for Warren to enter into in it at all?” but the affirmative action system stopped being about addressing “disadvantage” a long time ago — there just wasn’t enough disadvantage to go around. The system changed over to a “diversity” system, in which it has long been argued that “diversity” is “essential” to a quality education. This is what the Supreme Court even said in the Grutter case, that there was “a compelling interest in obtaining the educational benefits that flow from a diverse student body,” which of course is what the University of Michigan argued in that case — there there are “educational benefits” to diversity. So, again, if the left actually believes that, what “benefits” did they think Elizabeth Warren’s “diversity” would bring, other than box-checking? Clearly, the proponents of affirmative action for the purposes of “diversity” do not believe it has any “educational benefits” anymore than I do, which is not at all, by the way, or they would have questioned Warren’s hiring as being of no use to that “educational benefits to diversity” goal. So I say, if they don’t believe this con anymore than I do, well hallelujah! Let’s stop this nonsense now, and get back to hiring people –and admitting students — on their merit.

Rational Thought on May 19, 2012 at 2:17 PM

…adding plagiarism to the list of faux pas on the table in this election.

Faux Pas Cahontas? (Shirley Ellis, don’t even think about it.)

Barnestormer on May 19, 2012 at 2:21 PM

The system changed over to a “diversity” system, in which it has long been argued that “diversity” is “essential” to a quality education. This is what the Supreme Court even said in the Grutter case, that there was “a compelling interest in obtaining the educational benefits that flow from a diverse student body,” which of course is what the University of Michigan argued in that case — there there are “educational benefits” to diversity.
Rational Thought on May 19, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Just as a tangential point to this, the same argument is now being made in the corporate world. i.e., that “Diversity is important to an innovative organization and the opinions from people with different life-views is needed to enhance innovation and performance”.

AZfederalist on May 19, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Ed, you’re so kind.

Her whole narrative is based on someone’s exclamations at a photo.

There is no family story — get it?

mockmook on May 19, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Warren herself certainly should get criticized for the reasons Fitzgerald mentions; even if she does has 1/32nd Native American ancestry, there is simply no evidence to support the notion that this would have in any way disadvantaged Warren in her education or professional life, or even that anyone would have been aware of it had Warren not proclaimed it herself. The system exists to undo disadvantage — so what purpose is there for Warren to enter into in it at all?

Out: Indian Giver

In: 1/32 Indian Taker

Resist We Much on May 19, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Harvard will have to address the charge of plagiarism. That will, in the end, dwarf everything else. She is really, really toast now.

Is it too late to replace her as the Dem candidate? If not, I’d expect that to happen.

Pythagoras on May 19, 2012 at 2:51 PM

No, there isn’t enough ambivilence in the evidence to postulate her just being wrong rather than flat out lying. Particularly with the incentives she had and the revelations about her character made evident by her continued disembleing.

bluesdoc70 on May 19, 2012 at 2:56 PM

the “good” apparently is their being able to say they have a minority faculty member without, you know, having to actually be around a minority.

Newman65 on May 19, 2012 at 3:11 PM

RIO LINDA REFUGEE:
Had you READ my entire post, you would have noted that I suggested that each individual begin their historical and anthropological research of the Native American tribes interactions with the colonists, settlers and federal government, with the Mayflower colonists.

Had you actually done so, rather than simply parrot the misinformation that you’ve acquired through SELECTIVE sourcing, you would realize the inherent errors and inaccuracies in your response regarding my original post.

No treaties existed with the Native Americans BEFORE there was a federal government to draft and sign them. The REASON for those treaties, when they were finally written and signed, was in an effort to end, peaceably, the hostilities between BOTH sides.

thatsafactjack on May 19, 2012 at 3:20 PM

There is another issue here, too, Ed, which you left out. The “diversity” industry tells us, ad nauseum, that there is “value” in diversity, that diversity it is “good for us,” that we “learn more” in diverse environments. So what, exactly, was the value Harvard thought Elizabeth Warren would bring? What were her students going to learn from her that was any different than what they would learn from their “self-described” white professors? What was the “good” in checking the diversity box by hiring her, other than being able to pat themselves on the back for checking that box?
Rational Thought on May 19, 2012 at 1:53 PM

The “good” apparently is their being able to say they have a minority faculty member without, you know, having to actually be around a minority.

Sorry mucked up my first attempt at this post. :-)

Newman65 on May 19, 2012 at 3:27 PM

first, Mass’hos have a long history of not tolerating malfeasance from female political candidates that cause them no pause in voting for a male. dead ted is a perfect example- and how jane swift was drummed out of political viability over pretty much something de-evolve “mini me” patrick does every week. coakley had built up a lot of bad will and ran a half-butted, sloppy campaign of fail but a male might have stood more of a chance under the same circumstances.

a large and significant portion of the democratic base here besides the standard issue Mass loons and hippie commies are the unions which are predominantly male and white . teddy wooed them with fabulous amounts of pork for decades (see Big Dig). one gets the impression that a self- professed flaming liberal academe consumer advocate who is not a good old boy might not be so moved to woo them in the manner to which they are accustomed. coakley- the chief law officer in the state and long term hack fixture- with an ex-cop for a husband couldn’t even get the police union’s vote.

twila barnes makes a good point. liz warren may be a stubborn jackass or a bold faced liar but she’s not being honest . she may have zip integrity but she’s not stupid. the woman is a law professor, a well regarded one. surely she has a passing acquaintance with ‘the burden of proof”. she has to know that contributions to a cook book would not stand up in any court as proof of anything- (except maybe of plagiarism). she has to know that what granny x may have said in passing about cheek bones is not proof of any sort but hearsay. her doubling down may be her NPD kicking into overdrive but it may also indicate that as a lawyer she knows she has cannot prove she’s cherokee in any percentage whatsoever and ,perhaps, knows that it’s all about butt covering and lying now( oh, sweet, sweet desperation.). she’s backed into a corner- any recognition by her that she has no viable proof of her claims would bring forth the greater wrong of her using and being allowed to use minority status she did not deserve to game the system, to gain advantage. it makes her nothing but a feckless, self-absorbed white exploiter of indians, real indians, a significant portion of whom are far more disadvantaged than ghostface warren ever was. it’s unfair, unamerican and unconscionable especially coming from the far left where a premium is placed on the victimology of race and the ever present all consuming need to pontificate upon the evil of whitey and capitalism. making coin off of the backs of the minority poor is in essence what liz warren still thinks she’s ever right to indulge in. her audacity is on par with a certain kenyan- and no way as a white liberal rich female will she be forgiven and protected in the same way he is.

liz warren Is the 1% sticking it to a portion of the 99% that experiences poverty rates twice the national average- and she’s doing it with not a hint of shame. don’t let up until she rolls up her sad saddle bags full of race + class baggage and goes home defeated to her 5 million dollar asi.

mittens on May 19, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Howie Carr in the Herald did an even better job yesterday of nailing Warren than did Joe Fitzgerald or even Ed.

http://bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1061132396

Chaz on May 19, 2012 at 12:26 PM

There is no one better at skewering MA libtards than Carr, no one.

roy_batty on May 19, 2012 at 4:26 PM

thatsafactjack on May 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM

There is a good on the subject of Indian Wars. Indian Wars, by Robert M Utley. Page 135 through 138. In fact on page 138 mentions young Abraham Lincoln (The 1st Regiment of the Brigade of Mounted Volunteers, served under an amiable command of a New Salem boy named Abraham Lincoln. During his campaign, Lincoln said, he never saw “any live, fighting Indians” though he had “a good many bloody struggles with the musquitioes.” He did, however witness the scene of a massacre, and the sight stayed with him for the rest of his life.

There was a battle between 1,300 Illinois volunteers, and the Black Hawk, and we tore them up. They tried to surrender, raise the white flag some of them made it to the river shore. 200 Sauk and Foxes, were waiting for them, and finished them off (summarizing) the account of this massacre still raises the hair on the back of my neck when I read it. It has also stuck with me. I can understand why Lincoln couldn’t forget the scene.

People want to paint American Indian history with a wide romantic brush. The history of the clash of Europeans vs Indigenous People of what is now the United States, was not as simple as Red and White.

Dr Evil on May 19, 2012 at 4:46 PM

The sad part is that her family cookbook sort of looks like my family cookbook. We have probably 10 to 15 recipes in the several hundred recipe book which have been lifted verbatim from the backs of food packages — such as the Nestle Tollhouse (semi-sweet chocolate chip) cookie and a recipe for pumpkin pie which uses Carnation Evaporated Milk.

If someone were to obtain a copy of our family cookbook and go over every recipe, we would certainly be tarred with the “plagiarism” tag — even though every recipe has its source authorship tag.

It’s a really good cookbook, and I’m sure we’d make a mint selling it (we use all of the recipes in it at least once a year, and we eat well) but we don’t because of those 10 or so recipes.

Now, if Elizabeth Warren didn’t disclose the ultimate source of each recipe she’s appropriated, then publicizing a cookbook with those recipes is the height of stupidity — she’s taken someone else’s copyrighted materials and tried to profit from them.

unclesmrgol on May 19, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Dances With Quotas has a lot of ‘splainin to do.

Laura in Maryland on May 19, 2012 at 5:28 PM

My kids are 1/8 Cherokee. When we simply checked “Native American” on their school forms, we were sent a form asking for official recognition from the tribe to prove it.

mankai on May 19, 2012 at 5:57 PM

It is still worth noting that few if any indian tribes accept someone as a member unless they have at least 1/4 bloodline. That means that even if she had proof that she really is 1/32 Cherokee, she still does not qualify for any recognition of that bloodline for minority status – so she should never have been allowed to claim it.

Another major point out of all this is that unless you grew up in poverty on a reservation, you have no business claiming any kind of social or economic disadvantage as a native american minority – especially growing up in a middle class or better white family – as she did. Therefore – total scam and fraud right from the start.

dentarthurdent on May 19, 2012 at 6:04 PM

its not the same, she had tangible benefits from claiming she was of of Indian descent (see her affirmative action Harvard position)…how did Blumenthal benefit from saying he was a Vietnam war veteran? It’s not like he was fraudulently collecting benefits from the VA or something…

jimver on May 19, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Do we know whether he got any direct benefits from the VA? There are lots of them available, from disability payments to tuition assistance, to job search help from government agencies. I can’t say I know how Blumenthal may have benefited, but even if he was not getting direct VA payments, he may have gotten hiring preferences because of his fraudulent claim (as Fauxcahontas did) and he used it to try to bolster his credibility in the eyes of voters.

dentarthurdent on May 19, 2012 at 6:25 PM

But it’s worthwhile to point out that there is a large difference between being wrong and lying

Nonsense. The idea that Liz Warren is a “woman of color” even IF she were 1/32nd Cherokee is laughable, though her use of this designation to help her career truly is contemptable.

There is no difference between being wrong and lying when what you are claiming is most certainly not true in any meaningful way. She may very well BELIEVE she is 1/32nd Cherokee, but that really doesn’t mean squat.

The woman is plain full of crap. There is no excusing it.

deadrody on May 19, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Scene from an upper elitist parlor, somewhere near John Kerry’s Mansion:

“Oh dear. Did you hear about poor Lizbeth Warren? The poor darling. Here we thought we had these dreadful peasants standing in line to cast their votes for more of our benevolent gifts of OPM and poof! Some dreadful beast named Breet-bawt (I think that’s his name) comes out with this nugget of truth and… Oh, how dreadful to think what will become of Harvard”.

Key West Reader on May 19, 2012 at 6:45 PM

The woman is plain full of crap. There is no excusing it.

deadrody on May 19, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Yes.

But what did Harvard know, and when did Harvard know it? And where does Obama fit in? Obviously he was a dope smoking, gin drinking, lip busting thug in the late 80′s early 90′s. So, how DID he get in? With what credentials.

I swear, this is the commencement of the Glenn Reynolds prediction of the higher education bubble burst. Starting with Harvard.

Key West Reader on May 19, 2012 at 6:48 PM

For many libs, Warren is more authentically Native-American than Justice Thomas is African-American.

hepcat on May 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Ed – There’s another moral to this story, one that has risen to the top, it’s that Warren now wants to claim she got her jobs on her own, without the benefit of affirmative action. It seems to me that people, like Ward Connerly, have been saying that affirmative action places a stigma on many of its recipients, that they really didn’t earn what they got. Has anyone noticed how defensive Warren has gotten that, “she earned her positions, she worked hard to get where she is.”, which is exactly the same thing Ward Connerly was saying.

Somehow, I believe the Democrats owe Ward Connerly an apology for slamming him, when he passed the amendment in California to strip racial preferences from admissions policies of state universities.

bflat879 on May 19, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Funny post at No Oil for Pacifists:

Top Ten Elizabeth Warren Rejected Excuses

hepcat on May 19, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Funny post at No Oil for Pacifists:

Top Ten Elizabeth Warren Rejected Excuses

hepcat on May 19, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Nicely done! Is that your blog?

I bookmarked it. Funny!

Key West Reader on May 19, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Ed, I agree with you that the overarching problem here is “the System” of racial and gender spoils and patronage that the Left has put in place.

But why are you going easy on Elizabeth Warren? It disgusts me when conservatives extend an olive branch to people who, if the situation were reversed, would extend a kick in the groin instead. As you point out, there was NO mercy from the left for GWB during the Iraq war, and everything Reagan said is STILL held against him, in and out of court. Why give these people mercy when they have none?

Gearbox on May 19, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Nicely done! Is that your blog?

I bookmarked it. Funny!

No, not my blog. I go to it often, though. Great blog.

That piece is atypical. Usually serious pieces with many links. Read one of his posts and you’re an expert on a subject.

There’s some occasional very funny stuff by a couple guest bloggers.

Did a some Top Ten Lists slamming David Letterman. Funny stuff. I found these two. There may be more.

http://nooilforpacifists.blogspot.com/2011/10/besting-letterman.html

http://nooilforpacifists.blogspot.com/2011/10/is-letterman-running-out-of-fat-jokes.html

hepcat on May 19, 2012 at 7:12 PM

My Aunt Bee told me I was part Indian. So did, Andy, Opie, Barney, Goober, and Otis.

tbear44 on May 19, 2012 at 7:14 PM

She will not quit the race since she has raised about $15 million so far but the biggest reason she won’t quit is she is a shameless huckster that would make Elmer Gantry blush. I have a small amount of pity for her since I think about how she will have to face her friends and comrades on campus. But then I remember what a lying, plagiarizing sleazeball she is and how she is teaching law. If she had any sense of dignity and honor she would at the least quit the race and teaching but she won’t.

deimos on May 19, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Come on, folks, Dizzy Lizzy is just being a liberal. The truth to a liberal is what they want it to be and facts just get in the way. Nothing new here. It got The Won elected and he is totally incapable of the truth. She is just following the leader.

volsense on May 19, 2012 at 7:34 PM

She could easily still beat incumbent Scott Brown. They’re fighting for Teddy Kennedy’s old seat.

Compared to Teddy, the woman’s a saint.

hepcat on May 19, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Debbie Wasserman Schultz….”advantage the disadvantaged!!?…are you crazy?!!…who would vote for us!!?”

tractah on May 19, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Harvard is even a bigger bunch of hyprocrites and liars.

To propel someone with 31/32 white and only 1/32 native as being native is example primo of the absurd.

Harvard should come clean and abolish affirmative action since it clearly is ground for corruption and abuse.

Instead of counting the pigment in someones skin or the cheekbones, they should use it to do diversity based on real proven economic hardsip of the person and not based on unprovable hardship 2 or more generations back

huntingmoose on May 19, 2012 at 7:39 PM

I am having trouble discerning her high cheekbones.

ultracon on May 19, 2012 at 8:02 PM

I’m 1/5 scotch and 1 pint Jack Daniels. This probably accounts for the hang over I suffered this morning. {Hint} never mix the two.
Think I’ll run for dog catcher.

BruceB on May 19, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Thank you Del

PS is my memory fading or was Ed always like this? He seemed different at Captain’s Quarters.

tacodawn on May 19, 2012 at 10:34 PM

The lessons native to the Warren story

Liberals lie.

Then lie some more.

rukiddingme on May 19, 2012 at 11:35 PM

POSEUR

Metro on May 19, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Her real Indian name: Stands with a Growing Wooden Nose.

TXUS on May 20, 2012 at 12:13 AM

This fiasco certainly has completely scalped Harvard’s Law School credibility and integrity when it comes to set-asides admissions and perfessers pretending as some sort of warped social justice.

Oblamer the Undocumented
Derrick “Stanford sure is glad they finally got rid of me” Bell
Charles “In way over my head but I’m snide anyway” Ogletree
“Unwise Latina” Sotomayor
“Perjurer” Kagan
Fauxcahontas

and undoubtedly many more rejects given the free ride.

viking01 on May 20, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Liz Warren is going to hold her breath until she IS a woman of color!

So there!

profitsbeard on May 20, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Liz Warren is going to hold her breath until she IS a woman of color!

So there!

profitsbeard on May 20, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Won’t work. There are no affirmative action programs for Smurfs or the Na’vi.

hepcat on May 20, 2012 at 1:28 AM

And it’s hard to imagine two populations with more legitimate grievances than Americans of African or Native heritage

I can – Many Native Europeans nations in Middle Ages up to 19th century. Most of Eastern Europe was under Muslim Ottoman occupation, with horrendous ethnic cleansings, slavery and forcefull conversions. I don’t see Turkey crying a river now about what they did for 500 years.

Soviets/communists, as their friends nazis before, put millions into death-camps, tortured them and worked them to death. The commies continued this in Europe for another 15 years or so, in Asia even more. This never ever happened to the above mentioned ethnic groups.

So how about getting rid of all discrimination, and let personal abilities and qualifications take over? After all, the suffering in US history is pale compared with what other nations / races had to endure. I’m not trying to minimize anything, but on a scale you did pretty good there.

Until Affirmative action took over.

Rookie on May 20, 2012 at 3:39 AM

Instead of taking Allahpundit’s sage advice to simply say that she relied on oral family history when claiming Cherokee heritage

So the advice to the liar who got caught, is to tell a better lie? We can do better than that- or we may as well join them.

Don L on May 20, 2012 at 4:25 AM

Affirmative action stopped being about the disadvantaged as soon as race became the only criterion required to claim the status. No one seemed to notice the hypocrisy of black students from a solid middle class background being given preferential treatment over an Asian or Caucasian student who grew up in poverty. It’s even worse today now that ethnicity and national origin are given preference which leads to American universities giving preference in admission to foreign students over the children of the taxpayers who are paying for the institutions.

I say a pox on all their all their liberal houses. I suspect that few Americans whose families came to America prior to the beginning of the last century can claim a family tree that does not include at least some members from protected classes. That being the case we should all follow the lead of MS Warren and check whichever of the affirmative action boxes seems to best fit our family.

Nomas on May 20, 2012 at 6:37 AM

Getting tired of hearing about the suffering of Indians and the slaves.

First, the Indians were continually at war before Europeans ever got here.

And, if not for the unfortunate lot of the slaves, their descendants would be in Africa. I believe America is preferable.

Moreover, blacks took blacks as slaves just as Indian fought Indian.

The fact is our (human) history is often stark, but this is reality.

War is the norm, not peace: another reality.

Better to learn the lessons of the past (easier said than done) and try to make things better.

When does the statute of limitations run out on claiming victim status?

And isn’t claiming such status actually detrimental at some point?

Sherman1864 on May 20, 2012 at 8:24 AM

Here is an American Indian lesson “Don’t Get Sick After June”

I wonder how someone like Liz Warren as a wouldbe “Native American” Senator, would vote on something like Obamacare?

I don’t really wonder.

I am Amazed more American Indians aren’t speaking out about this poseur.

Dr Evil on May 20, 2012 at 10:12 AM

What the hell is with that gesture “Spittin’ Bull” is making in that pic ? Is she describing the size of her brain ????

cableguy615 on May 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM

“Affirmative action programs (and later Equal Opportunity additions) had a well-intentioned purpose to right actual wrongs against certain populations … ” – Cap’n Ed

Uh huh. Sure.
Have you ever heard of the GLOBAL prohibition against “collective punishment”?
Well, for DECADES we White males have suffered at the expense of those who aren’t nearly as qualified as we are. Case in point:
Freebies of all kinds to Indians since … forever.
Check out the BIA, the IHS, Dept. of the Interior and then maybe naíveté will be purged.
FREE college! Gosh, why didn’t I claim to be a Cherokee, et al, et al?
(and i won’t even mention all the other give-aways to non-white ethnic groups)
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on May 20, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Karl Magnus on May 20, 2012 at 12:13 PM

What? I am turning you in!

All white males who are not geldings were to be rounded up decades ago. And it is not all bad.

Far left women will pamper you and let you abuse the heck out of them as soon as you lose the idea that you or your DNA history are worth anything. The public will be OK, too since the media will play along.

Look at Bill Clinton, Edwards, most of the Kennedys, John Kerry, Chris Brown, OJ, Charlie Sheen, Sean Penn, Holyfield…

IlikedAUH2O on May 20, 2012 at 1:40 PM

huntingmoose on May 19, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Having been at institutions which had everything from easy admission to special classes to winking teachers for minorities, I agree with you. But can’t you understand?

Oh, Harvard and the rest have to do something. After all, they sit on billions of dollars in their own private treasuries while collecting every federal cent they can grab, often at the expense of programs for the real poor who want an education or even a shot at job skills at the local community college or private technical schools.

They also took advantage of nice promises in their charter to educate Native Americans.

Nothing will happen to Ms. Warren as she has the right part of the curve on her side. Watch how few people learn that Zimmerman was part black.

IlikedAUH2O on May 20, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Why, on the main page, are they displaying this particular picture of Elizabeth Warren? I know for a fact that this photo was taken as Mrs. Warren responded to a question about the size of her husband’s penis.

Mahdi on May 20, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Like Elizabeth Warren, I’m also of native American descent. My ancestors were members of the Fugawi Indian tribe. Needless to say, they had a very poor sense of direction.

WarEagle01 on May 20, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Ed: Does ‘yellowcake’ (concentrated natural Uranium)qualify as a WMD?

valentine on May 20, 2012 at 3:48 PM

PS: http://shorelinecaucus.com/archives/1021

valentine on May 20, 2012 at 3:49 PM

It was a pointless mission based on lies.

iwasbornwithit on May 19, 2012 at 1:01 PM

What were the “lies”? Credible, multi-sourced cites only, please.

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2012 at 1:46 PM

26+ hours and counting…

Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2012 at 4:21 PM

“Joe Fitzgerald takes a more serious tone in the Boston Herald this morning in condemning Warren for illegitimate expropriation of the suffering of others:…

Native Americans were massacred, plundered, displaced and herded onto reservations where misery, depravation [sic] and despair darkened a barren existence.”

Am I more bothered by the fact that a major American newspaper appears not to be able to afford a word processing program with a ‘spell check’ feature or that one of their ‘ace reporters’ is incapable of using such a program?

oldleprechaun on May 20, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Am I more bothered by the fact that a major American newspaper appears not to be able to afford a word processing program with a ‘spell check’ feature or that one of their ‘ace reporters’ is incapable of using such a program?

oldleprechaun on May 20, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Friend of mine is an Editor there. Says they have been having major computer issues for months.

Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Hope you’re not holding your breath!

dogsoldier on May 20, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Did she part her hair like Pocahontas before, or she came out as a Cherokee?

As I recall, it takes one quarter blood to qualify as a native American. Otherwise reservations would be filled with rejected Congress persons trying to set up casinos and cigarette concessions

and college scholarships for Native Americans would not make it to the intended recipeints

Which brings me to U of M, University of Michigan which began with a bequest from a lady who wanted a school to be established for native Americans. Somewhere that got lost in the shuffle

There was another hair-parter, Ward Churchill who played up his vague Native credentials re 911. Now out of the news, probably because the tribes got riled. I wonder about this new tribe of hair parters who part the truth

entagor on May 20, 2012 at 7:24 PM

The old F-Troop TV series had the Hekawi tribe. A clan of native Americans from New Jersey forced to Kansas but were disorientred, When asked who they were they responded “where the heck are we” Hence the name.

These people are more native American than Warren.

Happy Nomad on May 20, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Native Americans and African Americans cannot lay claim to being the only ones who have been victimized in this or any other country. History is full of oppressed peoples. In the 1800′s, Europeans labored in the textile mills of New England until they developed TB. Coal miners die from black lung disease. Why the govt felt it had to step in and right wrongs is another example of their creating a victim class to help. My daddy always told me, two wrongs don’t make a right.

Kissmygrits on May 20, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Post-modern One Drop Rule in effect. Now covers no drops.

curved space on May 21, 2012 at 6:55 AM

Maybe her noting that she had a little indian in her was sexual history, not family history.

Silvergoat on May 21, 2012 at 8:42 AM

In Dreams From My Father Obama claimed he was part Cherokee.

Wigglesworth on May 21, 2012 at 9:15 AM

How much wampum did she get as a result of this ‘shell’ game?

Fuquay Steve on May 21, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Are we ready for some Warren peace?

And how.

dthorny on May 21, 2012 at 10:46 AM

soon to be on the NY Times best seller list:

“Bow Wow Chow”
by Bark O’Dogbreath

Sweet_Thang on May 21, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Deeper puddles than liz. She might be at home in the graveyard of ideas? Wake up America! They count on you being a sap.

StevC on May 21, 2012 at 3:04 PM

she’s the female Weiner

burserker on May 21, 2012 at 6:58 PM

My 6th great grandfather’s first wife was Huron, but she died and he married a recruited French woman. Does that make make me Native American …almost?
I have many Native cousins. Does that count?
I lived on a reservation for two years. Still no luck?
Darn, then I am just like Ms. Warren.
Still do love that fry bread, though.

All said and no joke, the Kahneetah Resort on the Warm Springs, Oregon Reservation is the greatest, and most beautiful place you will ever visit.

scamp on May 21, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Look at his high cheek bones! That man is a Cherokee indian or my name isn’t Joe Biden. Er, wait, oh, that’s the other one. Liz Warren was born in Hawaii or my dad didn’t sell cars for a living. Oh, wait that’s still not right. What am I trying to say here? Stand up, Chuck.

justjulie20 on May 22, 2012 at 4:06 PM

What a twit! What a lawyer!

StevC on May 23, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Why doesn’t she have a CDIB card? That is the official Native American identification. If that would be a problem since it would infer that women were inferior or something…

She should have called the White House for advice about a counterfeit document to post online and then acting indignant that questions remain. And Sheriff Joe has a CSI unit that might help with her offering registration with the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Apparently they found issues with the POTUS’ Selective Service documents.

Getting that CDIB card is so bogus. Guess what they want? Proof!

From a guide to help Native Americans get the documents:

“Here is a short check list you might want to look over before submitting your papers. It is a guide to help you, help them!! When I say you need birth, death and marriage certificates these need to be Official state certified records – not copies.”

Nobody should be asked for such stuff. What are they stupid birthers?

IlikedAUH2O on May 25, 2012 at 2:30 PM

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